gonna do some baiting this weekend

[JimmyC]

I ain't popping by there with whisky and pie without an invitation 

[Anodizer]

Our neighborhood had a big string of thefts one spring..  We all knew exactly who they were..  Two guys would ride around our town during the day time pretending to be scrappers..  We don't get scrappers in our neighborhood, ever..  We aren't the type of neighborhood that "scraps" stuff, so it isn't normal to see a rusty Sanford and Son looking pick-up truck riding up and down our streets when most cars are late model SUVs, Trucks, or luxury cars.. 
I was out doing yard work one afternoon and noticed these "scrapper" guys staring at my barn..  I purposefully pulled my riding mower in there(usually put it in the garage) while they watched..  I left the side door open that night and they took the bait....  After they pulled away, I moved the tractor into the garage, but pulled my truck into the barn..  When they went in that night, I was vigil and waiting..  I cut power to the barn, ran out and pushed shut the door on them and locked it from the outside....  Then I hit the panic button on the car alarm remote and let it honk for awhile..  And then I started it..  lol
That was the funny part..  "Dudes gonna suffumcate us!"  Suffumcate...?  Idiots..  Anyway, I let the truck run for a bout 10 minutes before I called the cops..  They both had bad headaches by the time the cops got there.... 

[homersipes]

  that's some funny watermelon right there   that's what I would love to do.  my buddy told me this afternoon that a guy around here is "scrapping" and taking all the "scrap to his dads and waiting for things to settle down before he gets rid of it.  all hear say but there is usually truth in it somewhere lol.  would love to lock them in my garage and let the neighbors dog loose on them

[RotBaron]

Man the ambulance chaser type attorneys would love to get hold of victims of ppl who have posted things similar to what has been said here.

I'm not an attorney because I'm surrounded by them and worked for them most of my life, that said, I've learned enough from them that:

- 'Tis not wise to publicly announce any of these types of intentions in any sphere.

- You, almost everywhere (US) that I've heard of, can NOT set loose your dog with intent to do harm on anyone, anywhere (even on your own property,) at anytime. However, your dog may serve to protect you against an attacker or  intruder. The subtle difference is if the dog acts on it's own. If you chose to command your dog to attack someone you may be liable for damages (med bills, suffering, emotional distress, opportunity cost) and criminally. With that said,  you know a jury will believe you, in most cases, before they believe a perp, but do you really want to be at the mercy of a jury. Furthermore, if you like your dog, you may want to consider the dog's well-being.

- I wouldn't ever use the term "baiting" (because the police are too lazy.) The perps attorney will argue that you intended to harm their client rather and took the law into your own hands, always gets a jury thinking. If you choose a judge instead of a jury, may have them thinking even more than a jury.

- Finally, if you are going to set a trap, you best know the law, you may be at the discretion of numerous jurisdictions depending on where you live. This means consult with an attorney.

Catching them on camera may be your best alternative, unless you feel all the other bases have been covered. If the cops still won't do anything about it at that point (happened to me in an armed robbery, yes cops told me to "get in line",) you could resort to public humiliation, i.e. post pics of them stealing your things/warn other ppl to look out...

GL, don't be a victim of your own trap.


Disclaimer: none of what I wrote is to be construed as actual legal advice 

[colmbo]

Someone ends up in your garage, walk in and if he's facing you, shoot him.  If there are multiple people, shoot anyone facing you while shouting to your imaginary backup to "get the other guy", to make sure anyone you don't shoot will end up

Stupid advice.

[eagl]

Stupid advice.

Not sure what happy bunny farm you live in, but on my property a home invasion will be met with deadly force without warning.  I have a family to protect and I will not ask a potentially violent and armed criminal trespasser his intent before I protect myself and my family.  If they invade my home they will face deadly force, period.  I owe them NOTHING.  I owe a wild animal more consideration than I owe someone who invades my home.

Telling someone to NOT defend their family and property is retarded.  Makes you the deficient one here.

[Zacherof]

Sometimes dogs are dumb
my labs are rePly smart but when I walk in the house at 3am drunk as hell, coming in the back cause my pRents locked the front door, they attack me
Best solution: hundreds of trip wires and clYmores,and. Moat with malnutished crocodiles

[guncrasher]

Not sure what happy bunny farm you live in, but on my property a home invasion will be met with deadly force without warning.  I have a family to protect and I will not ask a potentially violent and armed criminal trespasser his intent before I protect myself and my family.  If they invade my home they will face deadly force, period.  I owe them NOTHING.  I owe a wild animal more consideration than I owe someone who invades my home.

Telling someone to NOT defend their family and property is retarded.  Makes you the deficient one here.

protecting a family is a right that we all know.  baiting somebody to come into your house then shooting him as you proposed is called murder.


semp

[colmbo]

Not sure what happy bunny farm you live in, but on my property a home invasion will be met with deadly force without warning.  I have a family to protect and I will not ask a potentially violent and armed criminal trespasser his intent before I protect myself and my family.  If they invade my home they will face deadly force, period.  I owe them NOTHING.  I owe a wild animal more consideration than I owe someone who invades my home.

Telling someone to NOT defend their family and property is retarded.  Makes you the deficient one here.

If you shoot someone simply because they are facing you a boyfriend named Bubba will be in your future.  In most jurisdicitons you are not permitted to use deadly force to defend property, only permitted when you or someone else is in fear of imminent death or serious physical injury and the perp has the means and ability.  An unarmed person facing away from you doesn't fit the bill.

Posting online that your plan is to execute someone that enters your home isn't very bright.

FYI, I have defended my home.  If someone again enters my home I will again arm myself and respond to the situation and act according to the conditions that present themselves.

[jimson]

Any invader in your home can be presumed to be a deadly threat. In most states, especially the ones that have castle doctrine laws, you will likely not be prosecuted. Outside your home is a different matter.

[colmbo]

Any invader in your home can be presumed to be a deadly threat.

Don't misunderstand, anyone in my home uninvited will be greeted (and has been) with the muzzle of a firearm, they will be treated as a potential threat to myself and family.

Presuming is a lot like assuming.

Going into a situation with a pre-concieved notion could cause you heartache.  As a police officer I knew that every time I talked to someone I might have to kill them to defend myself but that doesn't mean I had a blanket plan to shoot in all situations.  I didn't shoot at anyone that wasn't a definite threat.

[ToeTag]

Rot Barron Kinda touched on this but.  Baiting or setting traps with the intent to harm / kill is illegal.  If something bad does happen and you kill the person or people this thread kinda lumps you in the premeditated arena which is really bad.  Just saying.  Not that I think this thread was started with a lick of seriousness. 

[jimson]

Don't misunderstand, anyone in my home uninvited will be greeted (and has been) with the muzzle of a firearm, they will be treated as a potential threat to myself and family.

Presuming is a lot like assuming.

Going into a situation with a pre-concieved notion could cause you heartache.  As a police officer I knew that every time I talked to someone I might have to kill them to defend myself but that doesn't mean I had a blanket plan to shoot in all situations.  I didn't shoot at anyone that wasn't a definite threat.

Yep, only respond with such force to a real threat, but one doesn't need to take chances when someone invades their home. Any warning you give could be answered with gunfire.

As far as things outside your home or in a garage. File an insurance claim.

[smoe]

As far as things outside your home or in a garage. File an insurance claim.

Actually filing insurance gets the police involved real quick.

I left my house to pickup a pizza and returned 20  min. later. I literally almost bumped into the bugler when entering a room. The guy got away with a little jewelry and insurance company picked up the tab. The police did heck of a job investigating it. They showed me 3 pictures. Unfortunately I didn't get a good glance at the burglars face. The police knew who it was, but he got away with it.

[RotBaron]

I can only speak for the state of AZ as far as law and using deadly force on your property.

To use deadly force:

1. You must fear for your own life or another person's, or fear they are going to commit a heinous act like rape.

2. The perpetrator must have the means to be able to cause potentially deadly harm. Ex: a woman who has her home broken into by a large adult male. If you are 6'3 and some unarmed tweaker who weighs 150lbs breaks into your home you're going to have a hard time explaining that to a detective, then prosecutor and ultimately to a jury.


The first one is paramount, and absolutely required in all cases.

The second is up for debate and depends on circumstances. Ex: my brother was murdered (bludgeoned) at my mother's home. Several months after this, I was up late one night cleaning some firearms. Somebody starts pounding on backdoor, I get a shotgun and go out and around an indirect way to see him where he doesn't expect me. He sees me, gets down on his knees with hand in air and proceeds to knee-walk toward me (about 15 yards) and screaming ayuda me, ayuda me...I yell stop coming closer (and many other things,) which he does not and for whatever reason under this atmosphere, he drops one hand behind his back for a moment. Maybe his butt itched, I dunno, but I was holding a 410 bolt that has no safety with only one round 3" mag duck shot (4) in it, as I started my squeeze (for the sake of god) he put his hands back up.  Later on cops detain/question him, and determine he was being chased by several ppl from a bar fight 4 blocks away and let him go. But every cop said stuff like "man say yours prayers/thanks tonight," you didn't kill an innocent person. They all said given the circumstances I would not have been charged with anything and several said they would have shot him. Btw he spoke perfect english.

Anyhow, before you go saying in Texas you can shoot anyone who breaks into your home, you better be damn sure about that if that is what you intend to do. I'm certain and would bet money there are criteria (like in AZ) that must be met before you may use deadly force to protect yourself. I could ask my uncle who is an attorney in Beaumont if you desire.

Not saying this is you, but I belong to a fishing website/forum, and every time a topic like this comes up there are so many internet tough guys that say all this I would do this I would do that yada yada crap. Very little of that will actually transpire when something like this happens. Members of the AH community are more mature than that forum, benefit of the doubt given, nevertheless unless you are trained you probably aren't going to react they way you think you are.

I hope you never have to shoot anyone, but if you do, you don't don't want to meat [sic] the aforementioned Bubba.