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I was reviewing some of old squad content from the 412th and found some screenshots from 2006. Anyone remember when it was cool to fly "good american steel" and work as a team, and be praised for doing so?
Enjoy some AH history! :salute
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Being the tool of choice for horde monkeys and other lazy people, I've grown a dislike for it simply because it is "too easy". About the only time I take it is when I'm on a long range escort mission.
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A beautiful and formidable machine in real life, but as cool as Justin Beeber in-game. :neener:
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I have no problem with PonyDs. 1 v 1 I'm happy to tangle co-alt or worse. 2 v 1 I prefer alt advantage. Flying mostly the fw-190A5 they don't worry me, and rarely have to worry about them running away. For some reason PonyD pilots think they should be able to kill all A5s so they stick around to learn the ugly truth.
What gets boring are these Spit conventions but I'll save that for another thread.
Boo
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What happened to skatsr?
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I was reviewing some of old squad content from the 412th and found some screenshots from 2006. Anyone remember when it was cool to fly "good american steel" and work as a team, and be praised for doing so?
It was as cool, or not cool, back then as it is now. I joined in 2005, and in 2005/2006 there was almost as much complaints about "runstangs" and "lame pony dweebs" as today. The sole reason why it was only 'almost': The then recent introduction of the "overmodeled" Spit 16, which was the latest craze at that time, both in numbers airborne as well as whines on the BBS.
Back then I was told all the time that flying the La-7, N1k, Pony, 190D or any Spit was lame and a sign of having no balls.
From this collection I chose the La-7 as my very first main ride :devil
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The P-51 is a good plane. And there is nothing inherently wrong with the people who fly it.
It is maligned by those who think "if you don't play the way I think you should, you are doing it wrong."
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It was as cool, or not cool, back then as it is now. I joined in 2005, and in 2005/2006 there was almost as much complaints about "runstangs" and "lame pony dweebs" as today. The sole reason why it was only 'almost': The then recent introduction of the "overmodeled" Spit 16, which was the latest craze at that time, both in numbers airborne as well as whines on the BBS.
Back then I was told all the time that flying the La-7, N1k, Pony, 190D or any Spit was lame and a sign of having no balls.
From this collection I chose the La-7 as my very first main ride :devil
I don't recall much, if any of the negativity that may have went on around 2005/2006... of course I wasn't active much in the forums so I can not speak on that front; however, have a group of 4 51s land in the LWMA today and you get something much different than represented in the screenshot above. :salute
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Why do you need to be praised? I'm just asking mind you, but your post seems to be suggest praise or lack of is your biggest concern.
Anyone remember when it was cool to fly "good american steel" and work as a team, and be praised for doing so?
have a group of 4 51s land in the LWMA today and you get something much different than represented in the screenshot above. :salute
Not flaming you just trying to understand exactly what your concern is. If you're wanting praise from Channel 200.. Good luck. Channel 200 is like standing in front of a gorilla cage. The gorilla has
a banana in one hand and a pile of feces in the other. You can do all kind of tricks to impress the gorilla. Nine times out of ten it is not going
to be the banana he throws at you. ;)
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Channel 200 is like standing in front of a gorilla cage. The gorilla has
a banana in one hand and a pile of feces in the other. You can do all kind of tricks to impress the gorilla. Nine times out of ten it is not going
to be the banana he throws at you. ;)
:rofl :aok
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Why do you need to be praised? I'm just asking mind you, but your post seems to be suggest praise or lack of is your biggest concern.
Not flaming you just trying to understand exactly what your concern is. If you're wanting praise from Channel 200.. Good luck.
I do not, nor do I imagine that anyone else requires praise at all for landing kills.
I've been flying Aces High since 2001. I am humbly pointing out that the community 'back in the day' used to support one another for doing well and working as a team, rather than non-stop griping behind anonymous handles that we see today on the forums and on 200. But alas, that is the nature of the internet beast. :cheers:
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Perfect example: http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,347814.0.html
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What a sad, pathetic post you just linked Pand.. Shame on them for wanting to do that silly dogfighting stuff instead of suicide bombing hangars or picking from 25k with half a dozen people to clear their six if god forbid they aren't able to run away quickly enough.
Ehrler in game/Paul in real life. :devil
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Perfect example: http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,347814.0.html
That post seems to be a response to this one, I guess that gorilla didn't have a banana. :D
I started flying AH in 2001 as well. I really can't remember when people weren't complaining about one airplane or another.
Runstang, Spitdweeb, Luftwhiner.. Those terms go way back. I remember seeing Spitdweeb and or Spitf*g way
back in 1992 when I was in AW. In in 1997 I started flying Warbirds, I swear I saw the term Runstang there before coming here.
There has been a lot of turnover through the years. There are a lot of old guys that have left and newer guys have filled the
ranks. With it comes new ideas and attitudes on what the current crowd views as achievement. Who knows for sure. If you're
having fun and if the guys that fly for you and follow you are having fun.. There is your real success and praise. :salute
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What a sad, pathetic post you just linked Pand.. Shame on them for wanting to do that silly dogfighting stuff instead of suicide bombing hangars or picking from 25k with half a dozen people to clear their six if god forbid they aren't able to run away quickly enough.
Ehrler in game/Paul in real life. :devil
You apparently haven't been around over the last 2 months?
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That post seems to be a response to this one, I guess that gorilla didn't have a banana. :D
I started flying AH in 2001 as well. I really can't remember when people weren't complaining about one airplane or another.
Runstang, Spitdweeb, Luftwhiner.. Those terms go way back. I remember seeing Spitdweeb and or Spitf*g way
back in 1992 when I was in AW. In in 1997 I started flying Warbirds, I swear I saw the term Runstang there before coming here.
There has been a lot of turnover through the years. There are a lot of old guys that have left and newer guys have filled the
ranks. With it comes new ideas and attitudes on what the current crowd views as achievement. Who knows for sure. If you're
having fun and if the guys that fly for you and follow you are having fun.. There is your real success and praise. :salute
Amen brother! It's all about the change in AH culture--- although I do remember spitdweeb as far back as warbirds in 1997 :)
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The 13th TAS back in 99-2002 or so was a dedicated P51 only squad that was pretty decent. There was usually double digits of squad members on every evening, and always flew together in the P51 exclusively. It was "cool" back then, that's for sure.
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With this post as with the one you linked, I wonder if there's really been a change or is it just percieved? Obviously I'm still a new guy in the grand scheme of things, so I honestly have no idea.
High school sports, college parties, and weekends in Vegas are all much cooler when looked at through the prism of time. :) Is AH the same?
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I am humbly pointing out that the community 'back in the day' used to support one another for doing well and working as a team/[/b]
I suspect this is the heart of the problem. The "teams" were smaller, and 1 v 1 skills were more admired, than they are today.
In AW FR, for example, people thought the 51 was a difficult plane to fly well. And I can't remember any hero worship that stemmed from base taking, even in AH where it was a deliberate focus of the game.
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Remember when it was cool to fly the Pony?
No.
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Being the tool of choice for horde monkeys and other lazy people, I've grown a dislike for it simply because it is "too easy". About the only time I take it is when I'm on a long range escort mission.
here we go again.
the Pony is not "Too easy". the only easy thing about flying a pony is living if you are timid and running away, and that doesnt even work when you have other certain and popular planes behind you. You dont see 2 week newbs landing 4-5-6 kills in the pony because it (believe it or not (hah...)) even takes a little bit of skill to hit a maneuvering target with enough 50 cal rounds to take a wing off while zooming by at 500 mph. If that happens to you then you should be ashamed of yourself for not evading it. Any newb who gets slow with the pony with any pilot with any skill whatsoever will die. The only reason you make this judgement is because a good 30 percent of the AH population (im sure that is an inflated number) fly the Pony.
Actually FIGHTING the pony takes skill and a good knowledge of ACM, as most of the other types of planes you will meet in the MA will out turn you and will hold their E better, and regain it faster when it's lost. Ask any of the good Pony Pilots (Pand or Mir for example) and they will probably tell you something similar.
You want easy, go fly the spit. I dare someone to argue the Pony being easier than the Spit 16 (waits for incoming flames). Maybe I should start the "Remember when it was cool to fly the Spitty?" thread :lol
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I've been flying mainly the A6M3, the P-47M, Ki-84 and the Bf109K-4 lately... and I will say, as Ripley stated, the P-51 (I only fly the Bravo in Fighter mode anyway) is a LOT more of a challenge to "fight" in than any of the three above... that's just my personal experience... since I have started flying the above planes, my hit % has sky rocketed, and my K/D is a lot better than it has been (though it is still trash).
I do have trouble finding fights, however, and I don't mean this b/s 1v1 with no one jumping in stuff... that's not what the MA is about unless you get lucky. (Did get my lunch money taken by Dodger in his C.202 vs my K4... humbling, but good fight as usual... 1v1 the other night).
The P-51B is a damn tough plane to get kills in... yeah I am sure you can BnZ and run in it, that's just not my bag. I stick around too long, fight the other planes fight, and I lose. My hat's off to the guys with the skill and discipline to do well in it. Not to disparage those who actually FIGHT in the P-51D... which there are several that come to mind, like the 4th FG Debden... the extra oompf at lower alt, and the 50% increase in firepower makes a big difference.
Those that disparage all pony drivers, and just lump them all together with the one-way-ticket auger-bombers are extremely sore losers. I've seen it time and time again, someone gets beat in a rolling scissors, isn't paying attention, or is just plain outflown... and it's "get a real plane" or something to that effect.
I've killed as many Pony-D's this tour as any Pony-D has killed me in any ride. If someone wants to take an ENY 5 ride up that has one thing going for it, more power to them. :salute
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The only real advantage a mustang has is speed and it can still be beat. It is easily damaged. It has no cannons in AH. It does have world class view.
Not sure why people beat up mustang'ers because they use the speed advantage to reposition. I have never heard the vox say "Look at that guy in the spit turn to escape a fight. What a whoss." or "Can you believe that guy is using full throttle to go straight up in his K4 to run from the fight."
What about the 262, they run a lot.
Not sure i remember a B29 bombing at 5000 feet.
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What about the 262, they run a lot.
The best is when you take a look at all the "pro-fight" (read: Anti-P51) players who fly the undisputed pick-and-run champion of the game: The Deuce.
But then, apparently, it's okay.
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No Tony, you cannot have a pony.
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I fly the pony from time to time, thusly the Pony is still cool from time to time.
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Not sure i remember a B29 bombing at 5000 feet.
I have two B-29 kills in a King Tiger :noid
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Not sure why people beat up mustang'ers because they use the speed advantage to reposition. I have never heard the vox say "Look at that guy in the spit turn to escape a fight."
While I do agree with your standpoint to some extend, there is a reason you do not see the sentence above: A spit can not "turn to escape a fight". It can only turn to fight. Escaping is by definition outrunning your opponents.
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The essential point is being missed. It's still cool to fly a 51.
Where it's gotten such a bad name is in the way so many players employ it. If you are in a knife fight on the deck with a guy and in the middle of it a 51 blows through and picks you, it's hard to be impressed. But that applies to any of that kind of bird.
On the other hand when you run into a guy who has learned how to knife fight in a 51 it's easy to be impressed with that Mustang driver who has learned how to really fly it.
Same applies to D9 drivers. Rarely to you find one that fights, but when you do you take notice. Last night was a good example of that for me. There were three or four in a crowd at a base I was trying to help defend. It took no time at all to realize that three of them were run in at light speed, face shoot and run out. It was that 4 th one that stood out though as he was bending it and outflying planes that the other three D9 drivers would have died to if they'd actually fought.
It made for some fun fights trying to stay with him. Alas I got picked every time and kills he'd earned went to folks who hadn't done the work.
That's the nature of the MA of course. In the end it's the style of flying by the majority of 51 pilots that have created the image because they've never taken the time to learn to be more than "one trick Ponies".
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With this post as with the one you linked, I wonder if there's really been a change or is it just percieved? Obviously I'm still a new guy in the grand scheme of things, so I honestly have no idea.
High school sports, college parties, and weekends in Vegas are all much cooler when looked at through the prism of time. :) Is AH the same?
No. Vegas trumps all because no one can remember enough of their trips to call anyone liar, therefore, all that fun must have really happened!
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While I do agree with your standpoint to some extend, there is a reason you do not see the sentence above: A spit can not "turn to escape a fight".
Sure he can, because he kept crying about runners, you decided to let him bait you into fighting his fight, next thing you know he out turns you and is on your six and no longer in the fight.
I've seen it a million times. No matter how aggressive a pony pilot gets, it's not enough for the whiners.
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No. Vegas trumps all because no one can remember enough of their trips to call anyone liar, therefore, all that fun must have really happened!
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Very true.
How bout this... Weekend in Atlantic City that includes an escort out of the yellow pages. Time erases the more undesirable memories and leaves nothing but awesome. :rock
Or at least that's what this one guy told me.. :uhoh
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:rofl :rofl
Very true.
How bout this... Weekend in Atlantic City that includes an escort out of the yellow pages. Time erases the more undesirable memories and leaves nothing but awesome. :rock
Or at least that's what this one guy told me.. :uhoh
Nice! We must have the same friend! My first trip to Vegas included a comp'd night in the Vegas pokey complete with room service and 9 of my new, closest friends. Training at Fallon created to great a thirst for libations. The bad has now become treasured.
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Nice! We must have the same friend! My first trip to Vegas included a comp'd night in the Vegas pokey complete with room service and 9 of my new, closest friends. Training at Fallon created to great a thirst for libations. The bad has now become treasured.
Awesome! Gotta love the hospitality in those lovely casino towns. :aok
Stay away from Tunica, MS though. The cotton fields have eyes.
:noid
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I've seen it a million times. No matter how aggressive a pony pilot gets, it's not enough for the whiners.
The ones who actually fight aggressive should know to ignore the people who act like that
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No such thing as cool planes, only cool pilots :cheers:
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No such thing as cool planes, only cool pilots :cheers:
I think that at times whiners mistake 51's for egressing to obtain some alt and e, to put them at an advantage. And they get whined at for being smart :headscratch:
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No such thing as cool planes, only cool pilots :cheers:
I'd rather be dead and cool than alive and uncool.
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I'd rather be dead and cool than alive and uncool.
Well you've got something mismatched--- which one are we going to fix?
Just kidding! :salute
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Channel 200 is like standing in front of a gorilla cage. The gorilla has
a banana in one hand and a pile of feces in the other. You can do all kind of tricks to impress the gorilla. Nine times out of ten it is not going
to be the banana he throws at you. ;)
:rofl that's hilarious, funniest thing I heard all day and its 11:40pm
I'll have to remember that one next time ppl are wishing for things that may or may not deserve any credit, but certainly even if they do aren't going to happen :D
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. . . Escaping is by definition outrunning your opponents.
Escaping or repositioning? It is a fact holding to the observer or the doer with distance being the variable in question. If I try to follow a Spit in a tight turn is the Spit escaping being shot or repositioning? Both would fit the situation.
I am not a big Mustang fan but they do seem to get beat up on this form and on the vox for taking advantage of an attribute of the plane.
I heard a young, cocky vox user last night complaining about a single red hugging the ack cover when they were ten, uncontested, greens circling overhead. The red guy was playing the hand he had. If I can survive by escaping to the ack I will.
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Channel 200 is like standing in front of a gorilla cage. The gorilla has
a banana in one hand and a pile of feces in the other. You can do all kind of tricks to impress the gorilla. Nine times out of ten it is not going
to be the banana he throws at you. ;)
Perfect, spot on description, Shifty! ...and yes it is still fun to fly.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsVXFpE7-s0
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Pick run pick pick run land 5 kills.
Fly a C202 or 205 if you want to impress.
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Fly a C202 or 205 if you want to impress.
No chick was ever impressed by anything I ever done AH. Main ride Tempest or Hurri 1 for a tour - didn't matter. Ranked 4 times in a row #1 in fighters by flying 262s or honorably furballing ENY 25+ planes - didn't matter. Dropping strats in B-29 or He 111 - no one cared.
Now I suspect landing lotta kills in the C.202 won't get me laid either... :old:
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Now I suspect landing lotta kills in the C.202 won't get me laid either... :old:
The trick is to land a bunch of kills in a C.202 then get laid anyway and call it good.
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So far, so good. :D
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I was reviewing some of old squad content from the 412th and found some screenshots from 2006. Anyone remember when it was cool to fly "good american steel" and work as a team, and be praised for doing so?
Enjoy some AH history! :salute
Pand, thanks for the walk down memory lane. As to your final question, "Yes, I do!" I don't go as far back as you, for I began AH in 2002 as an Air Warrior Orphan. Back then Rockstar and Fairz were running missions for the Bishops often. Reset was achieved when one country was reduced to one base. Fuel could be porked to 25%. And, I forget what else.
Prior to the Spit 16, from my row in the cheap seats, many new players gravitated to the LA-7 being the answer to, "What's the fastest plane?" question that new players frequently ask.
Back then (jumbling the next few years into a memory hazy mess), I flew the FW D-9 quite a bit. Spent very little time, if any, in a Pony. One of my buddies whose name has faded into the mists of time (I really liked the guy to. He was from Alabama.), landed 15 odd kills in a Pony with several rearms if I recall well. Quite an achievement I thought. Was fun to discuss it with him. I miss him, & wish I could recollect his name. If someone mentions it, I probably will. We were Bishops, but not squaddies.
Nowadays, I fly the Pony most of the time usually hauling ordinance to hit ord bunkers and the like to help the Bishops. I don't enjoy mixing it up near an enemy airfield. The pony lets me nail 4 ord bunkers solo (a tad dull when doing all by one's lonesome), and have good chance of getting back home. If undamaged, getting to fighting alt coming home affords much fun trying to put some 50 cals in our enemies' planes should they be attacking the airfield I'm returning to.
I do miss the good old days. Still, having old guys around from that era makes the game enjoyable enough for me to keep at it. I've not been on in the last month due to computer problems that may hopefully we worked out today. Would like to fly tomorrow, Saturday, as it is a rare weekend day off for me.
Pand, thanks again for a reminder of the old days.
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No chick was ever impressed by anything I ever done AH. Main ride Tempest or Hurri 1 for a tour - didn't matter. Ranked 4 times in a row #1 in fighters by flying 262s or honorably furballing ENY 25+ planes - didn't matter. Dropping strats in B-29 or He 111 - no one cared.
Now I suspect landing lotta kills in the C.202 won't get me laid either... :old:
Apparently Butcher will sleep with ya....
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Why do you need to be praised? I'm just asking mind you, but your post seems to be suggest praise or lack of is your biggest concern.
Not flaming you just trying to understand exactly what your concern is. If you're wanting praise from Channel 200.. Good luck. Channel 200 is like standing in front of a gorilla cage. The gorilla has
a banana in one hand and a pile of feces in the other. You can do all kind of tricks to impress the gorilla. Nine times out of ten it is not going
to be the banana he throws at you. ;)
:rofl :rofl Damit Shifty.........ice tea on the monitor, and up in the sinus cavity....... :furious
Thats about the best metaphor ive ever read :rofl :rofl :aok
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Apparently Butcher will sleep with ya....
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I am not that desperate... :bolt:
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I am not that desperate... :bolt:
Maybe he is
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The ones who actually fight aggressive should know to ignore the people who act like that
I do. :D
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PERK THE MUSTANG.
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I flew mostly a pony one camp and ended up with a 35 to 1 kill ratio. Tops on the boards for that camp. Nothing wrong with ponies. Most folks who fly them, and not all, zoom once and are gone for a few minutes.
Flew one a few camps ago and it was fun. Very accurate guns it seems to me and very stable craft.
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High school sports, college parties, and weekends in Vegas are all much cooler when looked at through the prism of time. Is AH the same?
>>AH is cool Right Now! these are the Best of Times! :joystick:<<
although I am sad, my sim machine is in pieces .........weep with me.
HL :frown: