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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: mthrockmor on May 07, 2013, 08:17:37 AM
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Here it is again....
1. Karma with 67 kills to 6 deaths for a Kill to Loss of 11.16
2. duk190 66/7 for 9.42
3. boo 122/15 for 8.13
4. Latrobe 46/8 for 5.75
5. EAce 207/42 for 4.92
6. fishguy 104/23 for 4.52
7. nekonabe 66/18 for 3.67
8. cuckoo 112/34 for 3.29
9. changeup 56/18 for 3.11
10. flak 50/17 for 2.94
Of note, we had 19 sticks gain 40+ kills in the A5. Of those only 2 had a k/d below 1.0. Clearly determined A5 Butcher Bird Mafia apprentices. Also, will442 needs some props. A few months back he started the A5 journey with a horribly low k/d but lots of attempts. This Tour he managed 153 kills to 74 deaths for a very respectable k/d of 2.06. He is on the way!
I should also note that of the top-10 three fly A5s for JG5 "Eismeer": Boo, Fishguy and Latrobe. Another JG5 stick was just outside the top-10, Angel at k/d 2.55. Also, Will442 has been known to hang out with the Mafia every now and then.
Check deep 6!
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Keep up the good work gents :rock :salute
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Boo, think you can check tour 157 for me when you have a chance?
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Zacherof, 13 kills and 6 deaths, k/d of 2.17. Respectable. I only track those with 40+ kills in the A5. That is a random number but it sorts out those who spend some time in the A5 versus a few good sorties.
Boo
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Zacherof, 13 kills and 6 deaths, k/d of 2.17. Respectable. I only track those with 40+ kills in the A5. That is a random number but it sorts out those who spend some time in the A5 versus a few good sorties.
Boo
hmm
well thanks boo :salute
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I'd like an A-3 or A-4 modeled. Same 1,700hp engine in a lighter, shorter fuselage. About 400 lbs lighter, and 416 mph at ~20k. A-3 was probably the best dogfight 190 of them all, and the historical scourge of the Spit5 over the channel. Pretty impressive for 1941-42.
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/26232318/FW190A-3U3-Black3/fw190-A3U3-2.jpg)
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K/D alone means nothing. Sorry.
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I'd like an A-3 or A-4 modeled. Same 1,700hp engine in a lighter, shorter fuselage. About 400 lbs lighter, and 416 mph at ~20k. A-3 was probably the best dogfight 190 of them all, and the historical scourge of the Spit5 over the channel. Pretty impressive for 1941-42.
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/26232318/FW190A-3U3-Black3/fw190-A3U3-2.jpg)
I want one!!! I would p'own all late war birds with that! Imagine turning with 400 less pounds! Same awesome dive speed, roll rate, engine, etc.
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K/D alone means nothing. Sorry.
my spirits have been lifted!!
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Here it is again....
1. Karma with 67 kills to 6 deaths for a Kill to Loss of 11.16
2. duk190 66/7 for 9.42
3. boo 122/15 for 8.13
4. Latrobe 46/8 for 5.75
5. EAce 207/42 for 4.92
6. fishguy 104/23 for 4.52
7. nekonabe 66/18 for 3.67
8. cuckoo 112/34 for 3.29
9. changeup 56/18 for 3.11
10. flak 50/17 for 2.94
Of note, we had 19 sticks gain 40+ kills in the A5. Of those only 2 had a k/d below 1.0. Clearly determined A5 Butcher Bird Mafia apprentices. Also, will442 needs some props. A few months back he started the A5 journey with a horribly low k/d but lots of attempts. This Tour he managed 153 kills to 74 deaths for a very respectable k/d of 2.06. He is on the way!
I should also note that of the top-10 three fly A5s for JG5 "Eismeer": Boo, Fishguy and Latrobe. Another JG5 stick was just outside the top-10, Angel at k/d 2.55. Also, Will442 has been known to hang out with the Mafia every now and then.
Check deep 6!
Strange, guess I'm chopped liver, again. :headscratch: :confused:
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babalon your k/d was a respectable 3.4 (17 kills, 5 deaths) the problem was only 17 kills. the cutoff i'm using is 40.
debrody, k/d is a great measure though not the only one. My motivation is to ubber-ize the A5. It's a great bird, and flown as designed by kurt tank the best ride in the game. The flight envelope is different than say the Bf-109 series. Certainly the Spits, Japanese planes and other turners. Considering the challenges an honest, clean (no shades, etc) k/d evaluation is worth it.
boo
PS When are you coming back? Should we do a monthly track on the 109s?
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score ho's.
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score ho's.
haha
:rofl
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Thus speaketh Bruv...rich! haha
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Tour 158?
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babalon your k/d was a respectable 3.4 (17 kills, 5 deaths) the problem was only 17 kills. the cutoff i'm using is 40.
debrody, k/d is a great measure though not the only one. My motivation is to ubber-ize the A5. It's a great bird, and flown as designed by kurt tank the best ride in the game. The flight envelope is different than say the Bf-109 series. Certainly the Spits, Japanese planes and other turners. Considering the challenges an honest, clean (no shades, etc) k/d evaluation is worth it.
boo
PS When are you coming back? Should we do a monthly track on the 109s?
Which guys on the list actually bend em a bit beyond the guy on top. I know he knows how. That makes the K/D more impressive to me. I know changeup tends to get himself in too deep for fun too. Any of the other guys mix it up in A5s or just up and down in em?
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The A5 is starting to get me out of the A8 more and more...
Bubi's JG51 skin is pretty too.
~S~
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Changeup fights, Latrobe stays and fights in every situation, KillinU fights like a lion too. Only had the luck to meet duk190 once, 190 vs 190 match, he wasnt running and gave me a good fight. Im almost sure Boo wouldnt run from an equal match too.
EAce isnt a real fighter type even though he is above the MA average.
nekonabe is a spineless fool, more timid than a 6 y.o. girl.
I dont know the others, i cant judge them. Checking their kills/time would ring a bell though.
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Good questions around what goes into the score. I tend to take my time and work from the top down. I love to 1 v 1 with most birds, getting down to the deck and going vertical. This is why I fly the A5 over the A8 or Dora. I say most birds, trying to turn with Japanese planes is suicidal though I will turn once or twice with any plane just to see what they do. Noobs get stupid pretty fast, a decent stick in an A6M5 is always dangerous. I won't vulch for almost any reason and detest the whole 'ho' thing to no end.
Keep in mind, Kurt Tank didn't design the 190 for turning but slash and burn attacks. The A5 happens to be above average turning and with that awesome roll rate is pretty dangerous in so many different ways. I have a slobbering love affair with this bird.
Boo
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Changeup fights, Latrobe stays and fights in every situation, KillinU fights like a lion too. Only had the luck to meet duk190 once, 190 vs 190 match, he wasnt running and gave me a good fight. Im almost sure Boo wouldnt run from an equal match too.
EAce isnt a real fighter type even though he is above the MA average.
nekonabe is a spineless fool, more timid than a 6 y.o. girl.
I dont know the others, i cant judge them. Checking their kills/time would ring a bell though.
how checking Tim dechipher anything?? If looking at kills per hour I'm nit sure that would help.
As I sometimes take the time to get to alt, to reach a good combat speed.
If that's what your referring to.
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A person with high K/D and high K/T probably flies in a crowd ganging and picking cherries. Someone with a high K/D and low K/T probably flies alone and has to spend time finding fights he can win. Someone with low on both, but high in number of kills is prolly a furballer, who'd rather auger then land because it's quicker. I'm usually in the middle category. Each to his own.
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A person with high K/D and high K/T probably flies in a crowd ganging and picking cherries. Someone with a high K/D and low K/T probably flies alone and has to spend time finding fights he can win. Someone with low on both, but high in number of kills is prolly a furballer, who'd rather auger then land because it's quicker. I'm usually in the middle category. Each to his own.
thanks for clarifying that. Makes sense, idk why I did t see that.
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A person with high K/D and high K/T probably flies in a crowd ganging and picking cherries. Someone with a high K/D and low K/T probably flies alone and has to spend time finding fights he can win. Someone with low on both, but high in number of kills is prolly a furballer, who'd rather auger then land because it's quicker. I'm usually in the middle category. Each to his own.
Pretty much.
I have always had a low K/D (around 2-3) with a relatively high K/T (2500-3000). Most of the time i was flying alone, in the most stupid way you can imagine. Found that very high K/D paired with a low K/T usually belongs to those who wait 20 mind for their pick then run away, just like nekonabe and his squad.
There are some exceptions though, just as my friend, RedBull, he have always had an upper-medicore K/D (4-5) with a very high K/T (3000+). He was always the first to jump into the sea of red - but he had the skills to fight his way out.
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i used to be "fair" in the a5 but now i'm less than noob...can't seem to get anything going in any of the 190s or 109s. hitting a barn door from inside the barn is tough...
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Babalon, Tour 158 took a turn for the worse. 8 kills, 6 deaths. haha
As for k/d....for the most part the 190 is not a furballer. If your base is capped and you are trying to up for a few quick kills you will struggle to make the first turn. Get some alt and work your way down to the deck and it gets fun. In theory by the time the two of you get to the deck you are roughly co-E, if you do it right you have an E advantage.
Normally it takes 10-15 minutes to get to alt and find a fight. In any case, the trends hold well enough. Those that treat the A5 like a cheap $10 Vegas potato get tired of the results.
Boo
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I have recently started to fly the 190's (A8/A5). I have put the A8 on the shelf for the time being and focused on the A5. While I am trying to learn this bird, I purposely put myself in bad situations to see what I can and can't do with the air frame. I am flying it almost exclusively, and finding it a frustrating, yet rewarding aircraft. I have a long way to go, but for anyone on the fence about the A5, she is a blast to fight in. :rock
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Latrobe + A5 = terror ..... frack that guy can turn that thing.... Low and slow he is a demon... I bet he freaked out more than a couple of spits and 84's..
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Latrobe + A5 = terror ..... frack that guy can turn that thing.... Low and slow he is a demon... I bet he freaked out more than a couple of spits and 84's..
THIS is probally the single biggest problem I still have with the A5. I fail far more than I succeed when I get her that slow.
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THIS is probally the single biggest problem I still have with the A5. I fail far more than I succeed when I get her that slow.
I came back from a 4 week break. Had troue but kicked as. Don't fight their fight. All I can say is use those flaps
andgo vert and scissor.
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Back in 2006 I was flying with the handle "Madman", and I made a video of a typical successful evening's sortie for me. About 4-5 hours of flying, with several refueling trips back to an airfield, and about 15 minutes of combat in total. For some it may seem very dull, but when you find good even fights is definitively worth it. This was the action of one successful evening sortie in my beloved 109F-4 back in 2006 (I know it's not a 190, but at least it's the 190's stablemate ;)):
http://vimeo.com/65754842
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NP, I know there's a cutoff. :aok But some of us gotta make a living, go to night school, and volunteer to help keep vintage aircraft flying.
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:aok
tis fine. I took a g14 out today(finally got the tail slide/flip
down
pretty good) they can get down and dirt. 190 kills generally take time.
And boo, any way you can lower the bar to 35?
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Well...we can lower the bar to 35 or how about you kill 5 more. :banana:
I chose 40 sort of out of respect for Richard Bong and the first time I did this I grouped about 20 sticks.
Boo
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It also feels lime the last kills are always the hardest.
Going to try a hell of alot harder an get way more aggressive this tour.
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Aggressive or patient? The trick with the 190 is to start on good terms. That means climb to 15-17k, stalk your prey and make a good pass on them. That takes time, hence why I always up with 100% and a drop tank.
Patience even plays out when I up from a semi-capped field. I work to get 5-7k of altitude. With that altitude I have the E potential to deal with almost any situation, affords me plenty of time to zoom through the fight, lock onto to random fat American planes, etc.
Just my two cents.
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tend to be "timid" as some people call it. Next
time were in together were winging up. So I can watch you and Vis a versa
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Bacon sux in the 190A5 :neener: :neener:
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Bacon sux in the 190A5 :neener: :neener:
:neener: I am wayyyyyy to aggressive in that bird. Trying to find the edge, and I push past it :bhead.
When are we gonna wing up in the A5 again? Last time we did was a blast. I promise I will cover your six better, I have a few hundred more sorties under my belt :neener: :salute
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:huh
Heeeeeeeeeeeeell no.. take an A5 into a furball at around 10k max. :)
The A5 is the most maneuverable 190 (excluding the 152)...I like to take adv. of that when I do fly it. At a higher alt like 15-17k you may become proficient in aim, E management, and lineups when you dive...but you are really doing an injustice to the aircraft and yourself as it can do so much more.. Catch 'em off guard, no one expects a 190 to fight, I've killed more than a few spit's, 109's, etc. in an A5 because they never expected a 190 to reverse them, or out maneuver their spit...
My 2 cents anyways :) :cheers:
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Thought I'd just take a break in it to give all you others a chance to shine 8)
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A5 makes a great fighter to
kill a p38 horde (or any
horde for that matter)i found. And yes redbull I'm trying to make her fight.
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what redbull said...that is why have done so well in A8.
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Aggressive or patient? The trick with the 190 is to start on good terms. That means climb to 15-17k, stalk your prey and make a good pass on them. That takes time, hence why I always up with 100% and a drop tank.
Patience even plays out when I up from a semi-capped field. I work to get 5-7k of altitude. With that altitude I have the E potential to deal with almost any situation, affords me plenty of time to zoom through the fight, lock onto to random fat American planes, etc.
Just my two cents.
^ this :aok