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Title: Early A20G's
Post by: Butcher on May 11, 2013, 02:04:56 PM
Early A20g's had 4x 20mm cannons in the nose - most were given to russia who downplayed their role, but they were extensively used for ground attack. There's plenty of proof it served in combat, down the road it would be a nice addition.

(http://i849.photobucket.com/albums/ab56/Misconduc/a20.jpg)
 
Title: Re: Early A20G's
Post by: Karnak on May 11, 2013, 02:19:49 PM
The four 20mm would be nice if they could be done as a perk option.  Done as just a gun option they would cause the extinction of the much more common .50 cal armed A-20Gs in the game, and that would be a shame.
Title: Re: Early A20G's
Post by: Butcher on May 11, 2013, 02:27:04 PM
The four 20mm would be nice if they could be done as a perk option.  Done as just a gun option they would cause the extinction of the much more common .50 cal armed A-20Gs in the game, and that would be a shame.

Well yeah it would be a perk option, however since its an attack plane it uses fighter perks so I'm all for perking it, especially since we know what cobia38 would do if it was added in game - Deathstar Part 2.
Title: Re: Early A20G's
Post by: Zacherof on May 11, 2013, 02:30:45 PM
Then can we get the Boston with the huge spot light :pray
Title: Re: Early A20G's
Post by: Karnak on May 11, 2013, 02:38:02 PM
Well yeah it would be a perk option, however since its an attack plane it uses fighter perks so I'm all for perking it, especially since we know what cobia38 would do if it was added in game - Deathstar Part 2.
Bomber perks actually.  It is a bomber.  The attack option is just for scoring purposes.  For perk purposes it is a bomber.
Title: Re: Early A20G's
Post by: TOMCAT21 on May 11, 2013, 03:37:20 PM
+1
Title: Re: Early A20G's
Post by: Ack-Ack on May 11, 2013, 03:51:00 PM
Early A20g's had 4x 20mm cannons in the nose - most were given to russia who downplayed their role, but they were extensively used for ground attack. There's plenty of proof it served in combat, down the road it would be a nice addition.

(http://i849.photobucket.com/albums/ab56/Misconduc/a20.jpg)
 


The early A-20G blocks that had the 20mm cannons also had the flexible top turret instead of the powered turret we have on our later A-20G blocks.

ack-ack
Title: Re: Early A20G's
Post by: save on May 11, 2013, 07:14:27 PM
The four 20mm would be nice if they could be done as a perk option.  Done as just a gun option they would cause the extinction of the much more common .50 cal armed A-20Gs in the game, and that would be a shame.

la7 with 3 guns where in short supply too...
Title: Re: Early A20G's
Post by: Mitsu on May 11, 2013, 07:42:24 PM
-1 x -1

I'm afraid of 20mm version Cobia38! :uhoh
Title: Re: Early A20G's
Post by: SIK1 on May 11, 2013, 07:51:41 PM
-1 x -1

I'm afraid of 20mm version Cobia38! :uhoh

You do realize that -1 x -1 = 1, right?
Title: Re: Early A20G's
Post by: Volron on May 11, 2013, 08:02:49 PM

The early A-20G blocks that had the 20mm cannons also had the flexible top turret instead of the powered turret we have on our later A-20G blocks.

ack-ack

The question is; does the difference between the flex turret and the power turret, or even between the plane's themselves, warrant the A-20 4 x 20mm to be modeled by itself?  Or are the similarities too close to have this as an option?  Close as in closer to each other than F4F-3/4 we have.
Title: Re: Early A20G's
Post by: Karnak on May 11, 2013, 09:20:56 PM
la7 with 3 guns where in short supply too...
I am on record as saying that package ought to be perked.

Also, two wrongs don't make a right.
Title: Re: Early A20G's
Post by: RedBull1 on May 11, 2013, 10:11:57 PM
Only if they remove F3 view for the A20, then definitely +1, otherwise ...no thanks
Title: Re: Early A20G's
Post by: Butcher on May 11, 2013, 10:41:16 PM
Only if they remove F3 view for the A20, then definitely +1, otherwise ...no thanks

F3 mode would have to be removed and it perked - otherwise the hordetards would simply overwhelm a base with half a dozen a20s since it can do everything.
Title: Re: Early A20G's
Post by: RedBull1 on May 11, 2013, 11:07:03 PM
F3 mode would have to be removed and it perked - otherwise the hordetards would simply overwhelm a base with half a dozen a20s since it can do everything.
then hell ya :aok +1
Title: Re: Early A20G's
Post by: Zacherof on May 11, 2013, 11:42:00 PM
Can I have F4 view then?
Title: Re: Early A20G's
Post by: Megalodon on May 12, 2013, 04:48:03 PM
(http://i836.photobucket.com/albums/zz281/Megalodon2/a20-g1-3_zps0478e587.jpg)
(http://i836.photobucket.com/albums/zz281/Megalodon2/a20-g1_zps488cd707.jpg)
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-X-VwPouBfuM/UVT68DO1cgI/AAAAAAAAaio/d09qBdAvicM/s1600/A-20G-1-DO+Havoc+42-53775.jpg)
(http://i836.photobucket.com/albums/zz281/Megalodon2/a20-g1-2_zps3da20bc9.jpg)
(http://i836.photobucket.com/albums/zz281/Megalodon2/a20-g1Drawing_zpsc52e003e.jpg)
(http://i836.photobucket.com/albums/zz281/Megalodon2/a20-g1Drawing1_zps15229a1d.jpg)
Title: Re: Early A20G's
Post by: RedBull1 on May 12, 2013, 05:18:53 PM
Can I have F4 view then?
?? o.O
Title: Re: Early A20G's
Post by: Zacherof on May 12, 2013, 06:13:24 PM
?? o.O
Similar to F3 but the veiw is always horizontal
Title: Re: Early A20G's
Post by: Volron on May 12, 2013, 06:31:36 PM
Chase camera is what he means.
Title: Re: Early A20G's
Post by: Megalodon on May 12, 2013, 08:06:31 PM
(http://i836.photobucket.com/albums/zz281/Megalodon2/a20-g1-4_zps04216d81.jpg)
(http://i836.photobucket.com/albums/zz281/Megalodon2/a20-g1russianline_zpsfd528c96.jpg)
(http://i836.photobucket.com/albums/zz281/Megalodon2/a20-g1AttackNose_zpsc4e24ba9.jpg)
(http://i836.photobucket.com/albums/zz281/Megalodon2/a20-g1AttackNose1_zps7eb17d19.jpg)
Title: Re: Early A20G's
Post by: Megalodon on May 12, 2013, 08:18:33 PM
(http://i836.photobucket.com/albums/zz281/Megalodon2/a20-g1Stats_zps46b3fcfd.jpg)
(http://i836.photobucket.com/albums/zz281/Megalodon2/a20-g1Stats2_zps80695284.jpg)
(http://i836.photobucket.com/albums/zz281/Megalodon2/a20-g1Stats1_zps2e34a12b.jpg)
Title: Re: Early A20G's
Post by: Megalodon on May 12, 2013, 08:34:01 PM
(http://i836.photobucket.com/albums/zz281/Megalodon2/a20-g1Drawing2_zpse5263b50.jpg)
(http://i836.photobucket.com/albums/zz281/Megalodon2/a20-g1Drawing3_zps3c7e65d3.jpg)
(http://i836.photobucket.com/albums/zz281/Megalodon2/a20-g1Drawing4_zpsc3b537ff.jpg)
Title: Re: Early A20G's
Post by: Megalodon on May 12, 2013, 08:39:09 PM
(http://i836.photobucket.com/albums/zz281/Megalodon2/a20-g1PilotCompartment_zps2040251c.jpg)


(http://i836.photobucket.com/albums/zz281/Megalodon2/a20-g1vebtralgun_zpsa5af589d.jpg)
Title: Re: Early A20G's
Post by: Karnak on May 12, 2013, 09:04:15 PM
How many rounds per 20mm cannon?  It looks like those are 60 round drums.
Title: Re: Early A20G's
Post by: RedBull1 on May 12, 2013, 09:18:04 PM
Similar to F3 but the veiw is always horizontal
No, there's no reason an A20 should have F3 view, reserve those for heavy bombers/bomber formations that you generally can't/don't use as fighter aircraft.

When you look at it the A20 has better guns than most fighters, far better armor (other than the cockpit), better turn radius, better speed than some EW/MW aircraft, terrific bomb load, and plenty of fuel...if it's given 4 20mm's then I think all external views should be removed (I think they should be either way, but that's another subject).

I mean...if I wanted to get sniped by some quad cannon beast I'd go to Tempest/Chog lake, I mean the DA.. Please... have mercy HT... Let us have a save haven from that in the MA :uhoh :bolt:
Title: Re: Early A20G's
Post by: Megalodon on May 12, 2013, 09:43:44 PM
How many rounds per 20mm cannon?  It looks like those are 60 round drums.

A good shot of the magazines A p-70 though with the 4x20mm under the plane
(http://i836.photobucket.com/albums/zz281/Megalodon2/a20-p70Cannons_zpse1b3d763.jpg)
Title: Re: Early A20G's
Post by: Megalodon on May 12, 2013, 09:55:21 PM
WAAAAAA!
(http://i836.photobucket.com/albums/zz281/Megalodon2/a20-g1Art_zpsfec4be9c.jpg)
Title: Re: Early A20G's
Post by: Ack-Ack on May 12, 2013, 09:58:13 PM
A good shot of the magazines A p-70 though with the 4x20mm under the plane


The P-70 night fighter version was considered to be less than satisfactory as night fighter.

ack-ack
Title: Re: Early A20G's
Post by: bustr on May 13, 2013, 01:18:29 PM
Anyone notice in Megalodon's drawing, the offset floor mounted N-2 gunsight and the offset reflector glass mounted to the dashboard top? Same installation as in our P40-C. I suppose shooting 20mm at night one needed an illuminated aiming ring. I've seen a Russian cockpit drawing where they mounted the reflector sight to the left side through a hole in the dash board deck.
Title: Re: Early A20G's
Post by: Arlo on May 13, 2013, 01:22:32 PM
This is rather interesting .... somewhat 'wowish' here.  :)
Title: Re: Early A20G's
Post by: Megalodon on May 13, 2013, 03:51:16 PM
3rd BG june 44
(http://i836.photobucket.com/albums/zz281/Megalodon2/a20-g1Rockets3rdBG_zps2fe2cd40.jpg)
Title: Re: Early A20G's
Post by: FTJR on May 14, 2013, 12:07:08 AM
Meg, the caption on the top right of the photo you've just posted. Any chance of getting a fuller look at it? Or the name of the book?

Tks
Title: Re: Early A20G's
Post by: save on May 14, 2013, 05:08:21 AM
Chase camera is what he means.

Damned, I though F4 was looking straight back for the butler  :lol
Title: Re: Early A20G's
Post by: Megalodon on May 14, 2013, 09:46:19 AM
Meg, the caption on the top right of the photo you've just posted. Any chance of getting a fuller look at it? Or the name of the book?

Tks


 Thats not the caption it's part of the book.
Here is the caption
(http://i836.photobucket.com/albums/zz281/Megalodon2/a20-g1Rockets3rdBGCaption_zps916283ce.jpg)

The Book is: A20 Boston at War by William Hess  very good book goes over the A20C A20G and the A26B
Title: Re: Early A20G's
Post by: FTJR on May 14, 2013, 08:22:30 PM
Tks Meg
Title: Re: Early A20G's
Post by: Megalodon on May 14, 2013, 10:40:52 PM
Tks Meg

Np Ft,

Could you imagine ... 240 20mm plus 2x50's, 12 bazookas, 2000lbs of bombs and 2x50's in the rear...Thats a nice attack package.

Edit: Not to mention the bomb bay gas tanks...... 1500 gal of gas  
There are a few nice shots of RAAF A20G's in the book.

No wonder the thing was named Havoc


If HT and Pyro decide to update the A20-G/20 Havoc and the A20C? Boston... I hope they include this model ..A20-G/1 Havoc

 :salute
Title: Re: Early A20G's
Post by: Megalodon on May 15, 2013, 12:55:18 AM
(http://i836.photobucket.com/albums/zz281/Megalodon2/a20-g1Rockets1_zpsbe5fa28b.jpg)
Title: Re: Early A20G's
Post by: bozon on May 15, 2013, 09:47:23 AM
Np Ft,

Could you imagine ... 240 20mm plus 2x50's, 12 bazookas, 2000lbs of bombs and 2x50's in the rear...Thats a nice attack package.

I would be surprised if those drums can hold 240 20mm rounds. I'd be moderately surprised if they can hold 120. Also, with the 12 bazookas on that installation the max speed will take a big hit.

The A20 is an attack plane, not a bomber. Come on - rockets, no level bomb sight and more fixed forward firepower than most fighters cannot qualify as a bomber. It should lose the F3 view and roll out of the fighters hangar.
Title: Re: Early A20G's
Post by: Megalodon on May 15, 2013, 11:43:25 AM
I would be surprised if those drums can hold 240 20mm rounds. I'd be moderately surprised if they can hold 120. Also, with the 12 bazookas on that installation the max speed will take a big hit.

The A20 is an attack plane, not a bomber. Come on - rockets, no level bomb sight and more fixed forward firepower than most fighters cannot qualify as a bomber. It should lose the F3 view and roll out of the fighters hangar.


Whats 4x60?
You really need alot of speed attacking the ground.

edit: I wouldnt mind if the f3 was gone from the whole game  ;)

I think it should be an attack plane, just an attack bomber rolling from the buff hanger, Its not a fighter.

(http://i836.photobucket.com/albums/zz281/Megalodon2/a20-g1RocketsDrawing_zps7844c298.jpg)
(http://i836.photobucket.com/albums/zz281/Megalodon2/a20-g1Rockets2_zps65c3678b.jpg)
(http://i836.photobucket.com/albums/zz281/Megalodon2/a20-g1Rockets3_zpsa72a4729.jpg)


Title: Re: Early A20G's
Post by: bozon on May 15, 2013, 06:10:23 PM
Whats 4x60?
OK, I thought you meant per gun.