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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: EsmeII on May 19, 2013, 05:14:08 AM
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Goodbye all.
I'm very sad to say that due to an outrageously boorish attack on me by a couple of people in the MA - members of the squad I was in - I am leaving AH. My crime, apparently, is to have an odd voice and to be female and to simply ask that I be warned if certain subjects (one of the miscreants simply launched into a description of how he'd intervened to prevent a rape - a highly laudable thing to do, but I'm a sensitive soul, and really do NOT want to hear details, and so I tried to PM them saying I understood they couldnt know I'm that sensitive, but in future if they gave me warning, I'd leave channel for a bit and return when they're done. chaps in squads I've been in previously have been fine with doing so.) . I have never been so insulted or deeply upset in an online game as I was last night by that guy and his chum who apparently decided that the magic power of beer gave them the right to bully and harass me simply because I'm female and sound a little odd with it. I KNOW what I sound like, that's why I was tentative using vox in the first place, and why I explained about my voice before getting it set up. Gums from WarBirds once rather charmingly said of me that anything else aside, I add a little colour to the community, which I realised meant that whilst there may have been those who had their doubts about my gender back in WB, they're polite enough to keep it to themselves, and what the heck, its' a game, and we're all here to have fun, who cares if someone is rather odd so long as they're amiable and good to fly with? I could live with that.
All the folk in WB back then, and the vast majority of folk in AH both the first time I tried it several years ago, and this time around, have been fine with me. I had a lot of fun back in the S3's in WB2.77, and was starting to have fun in the FSO's this time around here in AH. But that's been called to a halt by a couple of ignorant boors who feel that they have the right to make personal attacks on someone who doesn;t quite fit their view of the world. I can't stay - they could change accounts and handles, and attack me again. I can't change my voice, and I refuse to pretend to be a bloke. And so, I'm grounded, this time for good.
Goodbye AH.
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Esme
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If these 2 people are going out of there way to offend you then isn't that harassment? I would report them to HTC if I was you, its no reason to quit because of 2 idiots in a game they should be the ones to quit not you. Hope you get it sorted and the ones who are making your time on here hell are dealt with.
:salute
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Esme please check your messages, PM sent.
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Very sorry to hear of your unfortunate experience, Esme. While there's no fixing stupid when it comes to idiots such as you've described, leaving the game and the 99% of community members who DO conduct themselves in a reasonable sane manner, solves nothing.
Hopefully you used the two tools at your disposal...
1. .report (offender) voice
2. .squelch (offender)
In the case of #1, call HTC Monday and speak with ANYONE...though Skuzzy is the direct channel in situations such as this. They (HTC) will have no problem correllating the .report with the morons you speak of, and appropriate measures will be applied to them.
I hope you reconsider your decision.
:salute
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Report these jerks!!! Do not reward them by leaving the game.
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I agree with everyone else here, you should not be the one to leave, the "bores" are the one who should be banned and made to leave.
Contact HTC and have them check the logs as everything is recorded. If they are found to be the idiots that you say they are they will be dealt with. If you really enjoy the game there is no reason YOU should leave.
I hope you reconsider.
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There are far more nice people in this game than there are rude people. I wouldn't let the few jerks ruin the fun you could have with the hundreds of awesome people on this game. As others have suggested, report them, and then squelch them. No need to listen to stupid. :salute
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I agree with everyone else here, you should not be the one to leave, the "bores" are the one who should be banned and made to leave.
Contact HTC and have them check the logs as everything is recorded. If they are found to be the idiots that you say they are they will be dealt with. If you really enjoy the game there is no reason YOU should leave.
I hope you reconsider.
100% agree, don't let them get to ya :salute
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I agree with everyone else here. The relative anonymity of an on-line game encourages those with little class to become even worse. You may have heard the old saying that "character is what you do when no one is looking" and it applies here if you simply substitute "when no one knows who you really are." There are plenty of squads or groups you can associate with here that do have class. The tools available to you like squelch and report are here to be used. I encourage you to stay on.
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I am sad to hear this. Abusive behavior kills online communities and needs to be stopped hard and fast else it becomes the norm and the entire community becomes toxic.
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As one of the two people who formed the squad responsible, I wish to make it very clear that this incident is entirely unacceptable and we are going to be taking the matter very seriously.
My deepest apologies that you had this experience in our group and I hope that we can work things out so that you feel you have the option to remain in either the game and/or the squad as all our members are valued equally no matter what sex/religion/country of origin or, absurdly to even need saying, the sound of their voice.
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As one of the two people who formed the squad responsible, I wish to make it very clear that this incident is entirely unacceptable and we are going to be taking the matter very seriously.
My deepest apologies that you had this experience in our group and I hope that we can work things out so that you feel you have the option to remain in either the game and/or the squad as all our members are valued equally no matter what sex/religion/country of origin or, absurdly to even need saying, the sound of their voice.
:aok
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screw that.....if you enjoy this game dont let those twits chase you away.....many great peeps here, some are the opposite but no matter what you do in life, there are always those scumbags that deserve a bat to the face....but hey at least in AH you can find them and put some rounds into them.....that would really get under their skin....being shot down by a woman.... :rock
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Good friend of mind is looking to start an all female squad. Just a heads up, (although she refuses to get a bbs accounts :bhead)
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As one of the two people who formed the squad responsible, I wish to make it very clear that this incident is entirely unacceptable and we are going to be taking the matter very seriously.
My deepest apologies that you had this experience in our group and I hope that we can work things out so that you feel you have the option to remain in either the game and/or the squad as all our members are valued equally no matter what sex/religion/country of origin or, absurdly to even need saying, the sound of their voice.
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I agree with everyone else that says it should be the offenders that leave, and not you. Definitely report the shmucks. HTC wont put up with harassment of players and you shouldn't have to either. I know bat(mechanic) to be a stand up guy and I'm sure that the issue will be dealt with on the squad level as well. Judging from the posts in this thread there are many here who stand behind you and given the opportunity would smack these little turds down. For the most part the members of the AH community are a great bunch, but as with any large group you will always find those that have no class.
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1. Report them to AH.
2. Don't ever give in to idiots.
3. I throw out the idea of posting their names so we can "peer pressure" them. Maybe?
Boo
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Being one of the few women in the game, I know exactly how you feel. I have had more than my share of comments and pm's than I care to discuss. I am pretty thick skinned and try not to let things get to me, but have almost quit the game more than once over things like this. I can handle the joking and razzing, but some get down right personal and mean about it and I have left the game more than upset quite a few times and wondered why I play the game. Best advice...report and squelch and move to another base. There are a few people that I try to avoid in the game especially after a certain time of night on the weekend...that is when it ususally gets worse.
If you need anything, let me know, I will try to help. Just remember that the guys that do this are probably living in their mommies basement and have never been in contact with a woman before, let alone talked to one.
I pm'd you also...
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~Pep
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As one of the two people who formed the squad responsible, I wish to make it very clear that this incident is entirely unacceptable and we are going to be taking the matter very seriously.
My deepest apologies that you had this experience in our group and I hope that we can work things out so that you feel you have the option to remain in either the game and/or the squad as all our members are valued equally no matter what sex/religion/country of origin or, absurdly to even need saying, the sound of their voice.
:aok :salute :rock
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Your more than welcome to join us on Vox 138, great group of people fly on our channel (Headhunters, Sappers, 94thFG...too many great individuals to write here ) ...would be happy to have you wing with us anytime....... :aok
That said, im sure mechanic is gonna put the smack down on the folks that offended you....hes good peeps :aok
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hang them right here... post their names... Kickem out Bat...make eunuchs out of them and hang their bits in a dead tree :old:
Come fly Rook Esme ....
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Duxford RAF
Rook
Vox187
Zensen CO
HP51 XO
Before you let a few ruin it for you come fly with us ma'am. If not then I hope you can find the same joy outside of AH ma'am. :salute
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It's funny the habit of saying sir and not ma'am is NOT so funny this time. :cry
Np got your back
Sir :salute
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Fixed ...
It's funny the habit of saying sir and not ma'am is NOT so funny this time. :cry
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No need for you to leave Esme. The keyboard commandos are the ones that need to go. I hope you reconsider. :aok
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The first thing you should done is simply dot squelch the game ids, this would take as long as typing out a message and have non of the potential repercussions of typing a message to them.
How did they make fun of you after you PMed them?
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Don't let the immaturity of a couple spoil it for you. There are ton of great people in this game. Report them to HTC and they will be swiftly dealt with. That kind of behavior will not be tolerated. Please, reconsider. I'd rather see 2 bad people go over 1 good person leave..... :salute
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EsmeII,
I'm sorry that you had to go through what you did, there is nothing acceptable about the behavior of the two individuals who insulted you, and I sincerely hope that HTC does what is right in this instance. If you decide to stay, please feel free at any time to send me a PM in game or on BBS, I would love to fly with you and get to know you and do my part as a member of this community to show you the better side that exists in us. Today I am having a hard time even referring to myself as a part of this community because I will never count myself among those who treat anyone as you have been treated. I hope the darkness inside this community did not snuff out a light as bright as yours.
You have a friend in me if ever you are in need of one.
-BluBerry
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How did they make fun of you after you PMed them?
that's not something you need to know, or should even feel the right to ask.
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that's not something you need to know, or should even feel the right to ask.
Says who? you? If someone posts something like this in a public forum why wouldn't I feel like I could ask a question about it?
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Personal attacks are no fun, but the bigger person is able to A: ignore them; and B: NOT take their ball and go home. Seriously, getting "bullied" is not cool, but the drama is on the same level.
I hope the O/P can find it in her way back to these forums and back in to the virtual skies of AH. Losing a player of either sex, any nationality, any political stature (yes, even you self titled communists and socialists :) ), any creed, or any race for any reason is not good. It would be good to have about triple the numbers playing in AH.
Speaking of which, does HTC have a referral program of some sort??? :D
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Says who? you? If someone posts something like this in a public forum why wouldn't I feel like I could ask a question about it?
Yes, I am the one telling you.
There is a difference in asking a question, and asking for details.
You are asking someone who has just been insulted and offended to recount the intimate details for you. I think its safe to say EsmeII said everything she wanted to in her first post.
I'm not going take away from her by arguing with you. Certain things don't need to be asked here, and your question was one of them.
I invite you to argue with me via PM, and I will gladly accept, but if we both continue here, we will continue to take away from the real matter.
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The first thing you should done is simply dot squelch the game ids, this would take as long as typing out a message and have non of the potential repercussions of typing a message to them.
How did they make fun of you after you PMed them?
First off you try to deflect the blame towards the person that was targeted, and then you want to know what they did. Iirc the squelch command doesn't work on squad channel, or at least it didn't use to. Secondly, you don't need to know why. It's none of your business that is between Esme and HTC.
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First off you try to deflect the blame towards the person that was targeted, and then you want to know what they did. Iirc the squelch command doesn't work on squad channel, or at least it didn't use to. Secondly, you don't need to know why. It's none of your business that is between Esme and HTC.
nicely put...calls himself "pervert" hmmmm
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I hate that you had to experience that type of cured behavior, Esme ...
I am sure batfink and RT will take care of what they can...
not trying to add to the other arguing/questioning between bluberry, pervert and Sik....
but I think you might be misjudging pervert's post ...
It is easy to do when one only has a wall of text to decipher... It is generic and unlike talking or being face to face
Just saying
TC
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First off you try to deflect the blame towards the person that was targeted, and then you want to know what they did. Iirc the squelch command doesn't work on squad channel, or at least it didn't use to. Secondly, you don't need to know why. It's none of your business that is between Esme and HTC.
I completely disagree, if it was simply a matter between HTC and Esme I wouldn't be reading it on a public forum, if it really is that serious it really should just go privately to HTC, presumably it is put out there for several reasons, to tell she is leaving, and why she is leaving, its very presence here is, intentional or not going to lead to the judgement by the community of the 2 offending players.
I do find the incident completely shocking as it stands especially because its a woman and can inspire a kneejerk reaction, and for that reason the 2 guys who perpetrated it will most likely get lynched regardless by the MA, yours and Bluberry's hostile reaction to me simply asking for more details and offering sensible advice is evidence of that.
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nicely put...calls himself "pervert" hmmmm
And here is clear evidence of just that happening, brainless Scott here obviously hasn't read the post here and simply assumed that I had something to do with this because I do not follow form on the posts. I have never meet esme or spoken with her before and have nothing to do with the original incident put your pitchfork away.
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because its a woman
because its a human
say whatever you will, the simple fact remains they are details you do not need. The finer points of the incident are between EsmeII, those who offended her, and HTC.
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because its a human
say whatever you will, the simple fact remains they are details you do not need. The finer points of the incident are between EsmeII, those who offended her, and HTC.
Absolutely not! I can honestly tell you I would care 99% less if a man had posted that, and i bet every other man posting here is the same. Nothing wrong with a bit of chivalrous action towards a woman, I don't buy all that PC balls floating around these days.
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Report these jerks!!! Do not reward them by leaving the game.
at least in AH you can find them and put some rounds into them.....that would really get under their skin....being shot down by a woman....
the two best suggestions IMHO :aok
LtngRydr
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And here is clear evidence of just that happening, brainless Scott here obviously hasn't read the post here and simply assumed that I had something to do with this because I do not follow form on the posts. I have never meet esme or spoken with her before and have nothing to do with the original incident put your pitchfork away.
read your own post before you start name calling..i simply stated a fact
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Absolutely not! I can honestly tell you I would care 99% less if a man had posted that, and i bet every other man posting here is the same. Nothing wrong with a bit of chivalrous action towards a woman, I don't buy all that PC balls floating around these days.
I'm not saying you would care, I'm saying that for me its not about the gender, it's about the poor treatment of a person.
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report them to HTC if I was you
This^^^^^^^^ they will respond.
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rape is no laughing matter
(unless you're raping a clown)
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DO NOT LEAVE. Join Another squad. 94th DEVIL DOGS will take you and help you in anyway possible.
EZRhino
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Report these jerks!!! Do not reward them by leaving the game.
THIS
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Don't leave. You shouldn't have too. You should report the ones who verbally harassed you. For now, I'd leave that vox and possibly switch countries until things are sorted. If need be, leave the squad if they may have an issue of you switching to a different country to chill out. As for VOX, you may tune to yourself for now, until you are comfortable with tuning to a groups/squad vox.
To the rest of you guys, EsmeII is taking the higher ground by NOT posting their names on the BBS. While more than a few of us want to know their names, I think it best that EsmeII settles this issue with HTC.
Again EsmeII, don't quit Aces High. Leave the vox, switch countries and fly solo for now, or take up some of these guys on their offer to fly with them while things settle.
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I'm sorry to hear that it went to that level, and im apologizing on behalf of our squad or those that would offer it. we have a few "thick skinned" old timers on our squad and sometimes the old "beatin the chest" happens. I have a tolerance level, I guess, from my real life, and I did not want it to get to you. Apologies Esme, it was fun while it lasted, don't leave the game, perhaps we can lanc up once again sometime in the future. :salute
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It's too bad someone got the best of you (verbally or by text). I'm guessing evey one of us has experienced times where it's gotten to the point that it ruined our enjoyment of the game. I know it's happened to me.
.report (player ID) if it's that bad and detune the channel or squelch the offending player(s).
If you're that thin skinned maybe online gaming isn't for you. In saying that I'm not condoning the actions of those who offended you.
While I hate to see any player leave the game I'm not going to beg you to stay, profess my love for you or tell you you have a buddy in me like so many others have here. Hell, I don't even know you.
If you decide to leave or stay that's up to you. I just hope eveyone who has a negative verbal or text exchange doesn't come running to the BBs or that's all we're going to see here.
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1. Report them to AH.
2. Don't ever give in to idiots.
3. I throw out the idea of posting their names so we can "peer pressure" them. Maybe?
Boo
Calling out Jerkoffs will not make them disappear, they simple don't care anyway if they are attacking another player.
Things to learn about online gaming:
1) most have an ego
2) most can be jerkoffs
So 3) find people who arn't one of the above
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:confused: :headscratch:
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Some people do sound funny on range. :old:
I was told I sound like Mr Rogers on range by Butcher. :old:
Now, I rarely speak on range. :old:
I might be able to overcome this fear, one day. :old:
Hopefully. :old:
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Goodbye all.
I'm very sad to say that due to an outrageously boorish attack on me by a couple of people in the MA - members of the squad I was in - I am leaving AH. My crime, apparently, is to have an odd voice and to be female and to simply ask that I be warned if certain subjects (one of the miscreants simply launched into a description of how he'd intervened to prevent a rape - a highly laudable thing to do, but I'm a sensitive soul, and really do NOT want to hear details, and so I tried to PM them saying I understood they couldnt know I'm that sensitive, but in future if they gave me warning, I'd leave channel for a bit and return when they're done. chaps in squads I've been in previously have been fine with doing so.) . I have never been so insulted or deeply upset in an online game as I was last night by that guy and his chum who apparently decided that the magic power of beer gave them the right to bully and harass me simply because I'm female and sound a little odd with it. I KNOW what I sound like, that's why I was tentative using vox in the first place, and why I explained about my voice before getting it set up. Gums from WarBirds once rather charmingly said of me that anything else aside, I add a little colour to the community, which I realised meant that whilst there may have been those who had their doubts about my gender back in WB, they're polite enough to keep it to themselves, and what the heck, its' a game, and we're all here to have fun, who cares if someone is rather odd so long as they're amiable and good to fly with? I could live with that.
All the folk in WB back then, and the vast majority of folk in AH both the first time I tried it several years ago, and this time around, have been fine with me. I had a lot of fun back in the S3's in WB2.77, and was starting to have fun in the FSO's this time around here in AH. But that's been called to a halt by a couple of ignorant boors who feel that they have the right to make personal attacks on someone who doesn;t quite fit their view of the world. I can't stay - they could change accounts and handles, and attack me again. I can't change my voice, and I refuse to pretend to be a bloke. And so, I'm grounded, this time for good.
Goodbye AH.
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Esme
Esme
Do not leave report them and all but why should you leave, if you enjoy the game so much and I know we have a few females flying here and also enjoy the game but these select people should be banned or suspended for a while so they can wake up and see what they did. the Sadest Part they were your Own Squaddies that did this to you is even worse The Squad should of Stuck up for you no matter what but it seems like a select few took part in this matter.
I am speaking my mind as a player and nothing else and hate to see someone go threw this.
Esme alot of players already reached out to you so please reconsider staying even if it means flying solo for a while until you find a new home to fit in.
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Molsman
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You can buy a voice changer ya know...
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Voice changer or not that is not the Point why should someone hide their Voice to enjoy a Game???? Please explain
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Or she can just get crap from people in the game...her choice.
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She doesn't need to buy a voice changer OR take crap from folks. Your options for her are BS.
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Then what are yours? squelch everyone? Or alot of people? sure that works but there will always be someone who slips through the screen.
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You can buy a voice changer ya know...
Or she can just get crap from people in the game...her choice.
4Prop, may I recommend you reading up on "Good Etiquette and practicing the use of it"
Both, on the boards of AH and in the game while playing!
Discerning your 2 posts, I quoted above, shows us all you really need to work on your "Good Gameplay Etiquette" and "good messageboards etiquette"
Hope this helps, let me know if I can be of further assistance, sir...
Cheers
TC
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Oh, that's one of the funniest things I've ever seen on these boards.
"Hey everyone, I'm a D-bag!"
"Here, let me offer you some reading material,
Sincerely, Trainer"
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Then what are yours? squelch everyone? Or alot of people? sure that works but there will always be someone who slips through the screen.
This does bring up something. Why are we not able to prevent people from tuning directly to you? And more and more, I am not seeing a reason we shouldn't have a perma-squelch. As you just pointed out, our ability to squelch folks is poor. If you are squelched, it's but a simple thing to pop out of the arena then pop back in, if I recall correctly. If not that, then logging out then back in WILL clear it. Maybe if it's setup so that when you squelch someone, it squelches their account handle. This means that if they change in-game handles, they will still be squelched. It also means that if a newbie comes in and uses one of those in-game handles, it will not mean they are squelched since their account handle would be different. Something along those lines.
That being said, if I didn't know any better, I'd think you were trying to get rid of EsmeII. Because your two comments really seem to read as such.
At this point, an option would be to leave the squad and change countries as well as her in-game handle. Only tell those she trusts what her new in-game handle is and go from there. She could choose to not speak on vox if she wishes, or to only speak if needed.
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Volron, I'm with TC on this one.
The problem isn't the resources available (or not available) to us as players to squelch away harassment.
The problem is, one simply shouldn't have to be dealing with harassment in the first place.
Yes, they can implement a 'perma-squelch' or some such fix, however, all that does is cover up the real issue which is a lack of respect from certain players.
There is no easy way out here. It's ultimately up to the community to foster a positive, engaging, and respectful atmosphere within our small, wonderful bubble of the internet. Unfortunately, many players are too simple-minded and/or stubborn to accept that the way they act is childish, immature, and ultimately unacceptable. These few, I believe, are dealt with accordingly by the powers that be (HTC) when the time arises, however, they come back without really a lesson learned.
So the question is, how do we reverse D-bag-ism, and turn snotheads into respectable people?
Beats me. Maybe they are unable to be changed this late in the game of life.
I was lucky to stumble here at a young age, and learn respect from the respectable people I spent that time with.
I learned respect from this very community, over time. Pretty awesome.
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You can buy a voice changer ya know...
Good idea. :aok. I shall consider it. :old:
Mr Rogers does have a nice voice, but I will try to find something more along the lines of Charlton Heston. :old:
Consider your way, everyone that makes fun of voices. :old:
Being made fun of can hurt feelings. :old:
Zack1234 has a soothing voice. :old:
Being in a famous band likely helped him.. :old:
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I was told I sound like Mr Rogers on range by Butcher.
a couple of people have told me I sound like Buffalo Bill from Silence of the Lambs :old:
LtngRydr
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News flash: the world isn't a nice place, suck it up and put on your big-girl panties
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News flash: the world isn't a nice place, suck it up and put on your big-girl panties
It can be a nice place, if we make it so. :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXEuEUQIP3Q (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXEuEUQIP3Q)
(http://www.fastcocreate.com/multisite_files/cocreate/imagecache/960/article_feature/1280-mr-rogers-autotune.jpg)
It's up to you and me. :)
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If you quit, they have won.
A little inspiration by another female player (Schatzi) for ya from back in the day...
http://www.slowcat.de/slowcats1/films/TNFS.wmv (http://www.slowcat.de/slowcats1/films/TNFS.wmv)
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lol, 4prop...your comments/recommentations kinda makes one wonder if you haven't been one of the d-bags giving Esme crap in vox. those "voice changer" plugins don't work with aces high vox, which is where the unnamed no class dipsticks were exchanging tales of pseudo heroism. not that Esme should have to change her voice to keep people from giving her crap for the way she sounds. maybe she should have spoken with some of her more mature and intelligent squad mates to see what could be done before calling it quits. there is also the option in aces high of getting several people to use the report button on them to get the dipsticks muted.
on the other hand, it's the retardnet which is chock full of mouth breathing basement dweller trailer park rejects and retardnet bullies who think the anonymity gives them license to to do and say whatever they please, even in video games that allow voice comms. if you're easily offended, it's time to turn off the computer and go outside. getting your feelings hurt by what is said in lala land is a personal choice. not saying that any of us should be required to put up with listening to all of the stupid being spewed and piped directly into our ear drums, but it's just as easy to laugh at offensive morons as it is to get upset. and if the offenders are of particularly low iq using alcohol as an excuse for being special d-bags they can be amusingly pissed off faily easily.
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esme, get a Logitech G35 headset with built in voice synthesizer. it works great and you'll never have to worry about people thinking you're a Female. i use it on occasion. someone told me once i sounded like a serial rapist, whatever that might sound like?!!
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What Jarhed said!^^
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esme, get a Logitech G35 headset with built in voice synthesizer. it works great and you'll never have to worry about people thinking you're a Female. i use it on occasion. someone told me once i sounded like a serial rapist, whatever that might sound like?!!
... and exactly what is wrong with people thinking you're female?
Mr Rogers would have said be yourself and be proud of it. Those that have trouble controlling their feelings should listen to the youtube video I posted above. Even the tough Senator melted in his chair listening to him.
Very inspirational. :old:
Very inspirational indeed. :old:
:salute Mr. Rogers :rock
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esme, get a Logitech G35 headset with built in voice synthesizer. it works great and you'll never have to worry about people thinking you're a Female.
Not picking on you Jaeger, but using your quote...
It should not matter whether someone is male or female. Offensive subjects/language is offensive and is not allowed. Conversing about politics, religion, etc. is equally not allowed. Nobody should have to put up with stuff like this. Such behavior should be reported every time it happens.
This is a game, and we play it to have fun. If one's idea of "having fun" is verbally abusing someone, then they have serious issues and need to be suspended or banned.
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you're absolutely right dot, it shouldn't matter, but there was a report on tv about how female video game players are totally harassed in Video games. i was trying to suggest something to help her out. while i agree she shouldn't need to hide her gender, there's always a butthead or 2 out there, that will just totally be idiots to someone like her. she doesn't deserve that. using a voice synthesizer will give her anonymity and allow her to tell people of her choosing if she is a female or not.
as the old saying goes, the police cant be everywhere so in order for her to protect herself from the morons, my plan B would be a good option for her, without making her quit. just trying to help, and i know you're right too.
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Just for the record, 71sqn does not tolerate this kind of behaviour.
A player has been permanently ejected from the squad as a result of this incident.
That is all I have to say about this.
:salute
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Almost makes me want to go get that headset and make my voice sound female...
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Almost makes me want to go get that headset and make my voice sound female...
:rofl that could be fun...wonder how many squeaker ankle humpers you would end up with. :lol
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Nuke and another guy did that a while back.....they were having a blast, but some of the people on range got them muted
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Pandora gets this all the time and I feel she copes with it just fine.
I think most of the girls that Play AH are quite thick skinned.
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Don't let them win.
:salute
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EskimoJoe
I'm not saying that one should have to deal with harassment. However, giving us better tools so we wouldn't have to deal with harassment is better than losing people.
Esme pointed out that they could change in game and accounts ID's. With the first bit, the perma-squelch option I mentioned, they could change in game ID's till the server decided to crap and it would do them no good. They would still be squelched to Esme because the squelch goes off of their account ID. The reason I brought up her changing her in game ID is due to the second bit she mentioned, them changing account ID's. Perma-squelch wouldn't stop them from using the same in game ID if the account name tied to it is different, and if someone else hasn't taken it.
Her quitting that squad, changing country and changing her game ID is a fair bit better than quitting. But it is just one of a few options available to her.
RTHolems
From what Esme mentioned, there were TWO involved in the incident. Why is it that only ONE has been ejected? Or was the second person not part of the squad?
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Just for the record, 71sqn does not tolerate this kind of behaviour.
A player has been permanently ejected from the squad as a result of this incident.
That is all I have to say about this.
:salute
:salute to you and your squad.
Most of the guys in your squad that I have fought with/against have been great!
"Her quitting that squad, changing country and changing her game ID is a fair bit better than quitting. But it is just one of a few options available to her."
I really don't think that this should even have to be an option. I considered this in January because of something that happened to me in game. Then I came to my senses! Why should I have to quit being AKPepprr because some guys don't like me and can't deal with me being there? For me to disappear into the crowd with a different name...I would have to pretend to be a guy by changing my voice or not talk, quit talking to all the people in game I have made friends with and quit my squad, also quit flying my pink spit. All the reasons I love playing the game. I would have to give up everything that makes me AKPepprr. Why should I let them do that to me? I would rather get a group together and make sure he couldn't up from a base for a long, long while.
I also want to say that most of the guys that I have met in the game have been really nice and quite respectful.
:salute to all of you! :aok
"It takes nothing to join the crowd, it takes everything to stand alone" .. -Hans F Hansen
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I really don't get guys who have problems playing with women or treat MMOs as singles bars. It just seems like a bizarre and alien way to think.
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I really don't get guys who have problems playing with women or treat MMOs as singles bars. It just seems like a bizarre and alien way to think.
didn't you know, video mmo's are basement dweller nerd for "dating site" and the best way to pick up women?
(http://www.insiderinternetdating.com/images/banner11.jpg)
just hit the autopilot button and you're on your way to dating bliss... :lol
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:salute to you and your squad.
Most of the guys in your squad that I have fought with/against have been great!
"Her quitting that squad, changing country and changing her game ID is a fair bit better than quitting. But it is just one of a few options available to her."
I really don't think that this should even have to be an option. I considered this in January because of something that happened to me in game. Then I came to my senses! Why should I have to quit being AKPepprr because some guys don't like me and can't deal with me being there? For me to disappear into the crowd with a different name...I would have to pretend to be a guy by changing my voice or not talk, quit talking to all the people in game I have made friends with and quit my squad, also quit flying my pink spit. All the reasons I love playing the game. I would have to give up everything that makes me AKPepprr. Why should I let them do that to me? I would rather get a group together and make sure he couldn't up from a base for a long, long while.
I also want to say that most of the guys that I have met in the game have been really nice and quite respectful.
:salute to all of you! :aok
"It takes nothing to join the crowd, it takes everything to stand alone" .. -Hans F Hansen
you let me know if someone messes with you....or ANY female for that matter....I will make it my job to hunt that POS down and make his AH days hell.
no reason to harass someone ingame because they are a woman...what kind of scumbag does that.
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:salute to you and your squad.
Most of the guys in your squad that I have fought with/against have been great!
"Her quitting that squad, changing country and changing her game ID is a fair bit better than quitting. But it is just one of a few options available to her."
I really don't think that this should even have to be an option. I considered this in January because of something that happened to me in game. Then I came to my senses! Why should I have to quit being AKPepprr because some guys don't like me and can't deal with me being there? For me to disappear into the crowd with a different name...I would have to pretend to be a guy by changing my voice or not talk, quit talking to all the people in game I have made friends with and quit my squad, also quit flying my pink spit. All the reasons I love playing the game. I would have to give up everything that makes me AKPepprr. Why should I let them do that to me? I would rather get a group together and make sure he couldn't up from a base for a long, long while.
I also want to say that most of the guys that I have met in the game have been really nice and quite respectful.
:salute to all of you! :aok
"It takes nothing to join the crowd, it takes everything to stand alone" .. -Hans F Hansen
Of all the people that play this game, I can not understand why someone would ever get upset with you. I think you are one of the nicest players in the game, and is always willing to fight. The sad thing now is, we are usually flying the same county, so I don't get some of those fun fights we have had in the past.
:salute
Fred
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RTHolems
From what Esme mentioned, there were TWO involved in the incident. Why is it that only ONE has been ejected? Or was the second person not part of the squad?
There was some confusion on this matter and as it turns out the second person involved was getting into an argument with the first person because he was so appaled by the behaviour. Esme was just leaving the channel by this point and just assumed that anther person with a raised voice on channel must be on at her also. Infact it was just the opposite.
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also quit flying my pink
As long as your not in a Ki43...... :neener:
And how do I get a pink ki84?
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I left The Few because of a similar incident :old:
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Thanks guys, but I'm not trying to make this about me or the problems I have had in the past. I have dealt, in most part, with some of the things. I can handle the razzing and teasing which is in good fun, but being mean is another thing, and like I said, I've only had a few occasions that this has happened.
My point was that she should not have to become a totally different person and pretend to be one of the guys, just to enjoy herself playing the game. I do agree that we have to take everything that is said with a grain of salt and laugh it off, but some things that are said aren't that easy to look past. I believe that you have to have balls of steel to be playing this game as a woman and give credit to everyone of them that does it. I don't want her to have to change that OR quit.
Oh...and thanks for saying that I am nice.. :angel:
I try really hard not to type what I'm thinking most of the time..
...and find that listening to Volbeats-Still Counting makes me feel better if I get a little irritated... :devil
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didn't you know, video mmo's are basement dweller nerd for "dating site" and the best way to pick up women?
(http://www.insiderinternetdating.com/images/banner11.jpg)
just hit the autopilot button and you're on your way to dating bliss... :lol
Your link doesnt work you POS cheater!
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Np got your back
Sir :salute
:salute
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It is all fine and well that you eject a player from a squad, but that doesn't fix the issue. I for one (being a past loud mouth moron) know that the only solution to the issue is having film of the conversations and sending them to skuzz. He DOES NOT tolerate behavior like that.
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I've seen the OP lead missions. She should start her own squad instead of leaving.
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Stay in AH for the fun. Let Skuzzy take care of the bully.
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I use a voice changer cause I was told my voice sounded entirely too secksie..
GIVE us the NAME so he can be hunted into obscurity! dewit noaw!! :devil
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I use a voice changer cause I was told my voice sounded entirely too secksie..
GIVE us the NAME so he can be hunted into obscurity! dewit noaw!! :devil
You do sound sexy. That is the only reason i logged on to AH. Just hearing your voice....ahhhhhhhhh
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If you quit, they have won.
What he said....... But IMO this is not the place to fight it..... Don't turn it into some bulletin board fest.
Record them, trap them, report them to HTC and get their arses banned....... then come tell who they were..........
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I really don't get guys who have problems playing with women or treat MMOs as singles bars. It just seems like a bizarre and alien way to think.
squeakers, or those slightly out of squeakdom
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Of all the people that play this game, I can not understand why someone would ever get upset with you. I think you are one of the nicest players in the game, and is always willing to fight.
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:aok :) :rock
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Pepprr
There was a reason why I listed it as, "but a few options". I had the feeling that there was something that would be better than what I was listing. And truthfully, I likely would not have thought of your option for a while, if at all, if you had not said something. I did not mean it as a permanent option, but as to deal with what was happening at this moment. Nor did I mean that she should have to act like a guy and stop flying whatever she truly enjoys flying.
You are absolutely correct. She shouldn't have to change her name nor quit being herself. I truly meant no harm with the option I listed.
Let it be known that I do not hold any ill will or intent towards the 71sqn. Pepprr's response had me reread my option with a different mindset, and it does make it sound like the 71sqn may not a good squad to be in. That is NOT the case. I just didn't want to see someone quit over something like this when I mentioned that Esme should leave the squad. I apologize if this is how my option came to look to the 71sqn members and everyone else.
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Only problem I have with some female pilots in this game is their innumerable and inseparable entourage of forever-friend-zoned wingmen always just a little too eager at clearing these female pilot's sixes, to the point that they must get medals for KSing themselves so much. :devil
I'd be surprised if HTCs hasn't already been told of this and dealt with it today, looks to be a hot topic on the board today.
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Volron,
It wasn't my intent to single your post out that is why I didn't quote your name. Sorry about that. :salute
A few people had mentioned voice changers and changing her name, to me this just seems wrong. My belief is that she should let it be known who she is and hopefully be respected for it. Not to let a few bad apples in the game ruin it for her and have to hide or quit.
Babalonian...I will meet you anytime, anywhere alone. Please just ask as I enjoy a good fight even if I lose (which is more often than not). Most of the time, the people "clearing" me are not squad mates. My squad mates know that if I am in a 1v1...stay out. I have even told them I am good when there are two or three I am fighting. Also, I have found it to be the opposite most of the time...ususally I am the one with 10 on me because I dive right into the fun. :D
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I am not sure what happened to Esmee and I am not sure I want to know ,, But I do know that if she wants to fly with me She will get respect and good fights .. Like a GAME should be regardless of who is playing.. Esmee , Don't let them win.. Come in and fly ..
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Pepprr,
I didn't take offense to it, not at all. :aok Without rereading the whole thread, I think I am the only one who brought up the option of changing her name. So it's all on me regardless. :lol
No worries. :salute
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I do agree that we have to take everything that is said with a grain of salt and laugh it off, but some things that are said aren't that easy to look past.
Freeking women. Sensative and with memories like elephants.
You have to remember we men are stupid at times. Just ask my ex or the woman I lived with for years before that. :D
I enjoy a good fight even if I lose (which is more often than not).
Gotta love a woman who joins the dueling bracket; one of the more testosterone driven events in the game. :salute
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Now back on topic. :old:
Being nice. :)
http://movies.yahoo.com/blogs/movie-talk/mr-rogers-life-story-getting-big-screen-treatment-182932431.html (http://movies.yahoo.com/blogs/movie-talk/mr-rogers-life-story-getting-big-screen-treatment-182932431.html)
(http://l2.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/MVNm8Yc9ohqMdoZiKK0Cww--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NTt3PTYzMA--/http://media.zenfs.com/en-US/blogs/movietalk/rogers-blog-jpg_175840.jpg)
:)
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Yeah, names please!
And HTC - new achievement for shooting them down please!
all this reminds me of a bad version of this:
Fugi's Cartoon #60 about Betty going for a flight:
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,323957.0.html
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Midway ..and you wonder why you get no respect. . Uhh duhhh welcone to tge ignore list.
LawnDart
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Midway ..and you wonder why you get no respect. . Uhh duhhh welcone to tge ignore list.
LawnDart
Wouldn't it be nicer to be nice to everyone, LawnDart? :)
(http://cdn.sheknows.com/articles/2013/05/mr-rogers-biopic.jpg)
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(http://i.crackedcdn.com/phpimages/article/6/1/9/128619.jpg?v=1)
:devil
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(http://i.crackedcdn.com/phpimages/article/6/1/9/128619.jpg?v=1)
:devil
Lol
Lawndart
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Mr. Rogers inspired me to be nicer. :old:
Can he not be an inspiration to you and the OP's nemeses as well? :headscratch:
:huh Consider your way, DubiousKB. :old:
:old: Niceness goes much further than most other things in life.
(http://static.tvguide.com/MediaBin/Content/110725/News/7_sun/110731mister-rogers1.jpg)
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I got love for Mr. Rogers! He was the man back in the day! :salute Just thought I'd never see him with an ounce of hate.... I couldn't resist! :cool:
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I got love for Mr. Rogers! He was the man back in the day! :salute
:salute :)
PS: I suspect that picture of yours was doctored by someone not very nice.
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Love how he's still sorta smiling too! Oh won't you be my neighbor? No?....Then I'll FLIP YOU OFF!
:cheers: Midway!
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To all those not very nice... consider:
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/85d0fe2c8473f991f8d7d46efd101283/tumblr_ml5w0gbdBD1r9w32lo1_500.png)
Consider your way. :old:
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Midway ..and you wonder why you get no respect. . Uhh duhhh welcone to tge ignore list.
LawnDart
It took you this long?
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You are ignoring this user. Show me the post.
:aok
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I really need to read the start of posts before throwing up an F-You Mr Rogers....
I hope that the Lady whom started this thread realizes that I personally do not submit to this type of behavior and would appreciate the chance to fly with her. Seems to me that most people on here are like minded and would prefer to have a shared laugh at life instead of ganging up on someone else.
Those who matter, don't mind; those who mind, don't matter. Please Don't Ground Yourself.... :cheers:
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Midway why don't you start your own thread instead of trolling in this thread all you had to do is make your single post but no you have to continue to post all over and over like the childish little attention seeking troll you are... why don't you do with all the favor and go back to your hiding under the bridge.
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Volron,
It wasn't my intent to single your post out that is why I didn't quote your name. Sorry about that. :salute
A few people had mentioned voice changers and changing her name, to me this just seems wrong. My belief is that she should let it be known who she is and hopefully be respected for it. Not to let a few bad apples in the game ruin it for her and have to hide or quit.
Absolutely agree imho. It does two great things, let her enjoy the game (an MMO at heart) how she wants to and in what persona she prefers best to do it in (I personaly prefer my own persona, raw an alanaturel), and in incidents like what happened here, expose those few individuals in this community who really can't cooperate or participate in the sandbox with the majoirty of us.
Babalonian...I will meet you anytime, anywhere alone. Please just ask as I enjoy a good fight even if I lose (which is more often than not). Most of the time, the people "clearing" me are not squad mates. My squad mates know that if I am in a 1v1...stay out. I have even told them I am good when there are two or three I am fighting. Also, I have found it to be the opposite most of the time...ususally I am the one with 10 on me because I dive right into the fun. :D
I was talking about you? :rolleyes: :devil :bolt: *casts bait*
When I get backpayed (again... anywho) or a new job after school and I can resub I'll take you up on that sometime, hopefuly soon.
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Midway why don't you start your own thread instead of trolling in this thread all you had to do is make your single post but no you have to continue to post all over and over like the childish little attention seeking troll you are... why don't you do with all the favor and go back to your hiding under the bridge.
I'm simply responding to posts addressed to me (such as yours) or responding to good ideas I see in other people's posts. No 'trolling' as you call it, just offering some things worthy of consideration. :angel:
The reason I tend to post more than once is because peeps like you want to talk further with me and ask me questions. Notice how you started your post with "Midway why...". Seems you want an answer from me (ergo another post from me). :)
If you don't want answers from me (or additional posts), why ask the question? :headscratch:
Feel free to start another thread if you want, but since you asked in this one, I think it's appropriate for me to respond to you in this one. :aok
Being nice is worthy of discussion among those concerned and interested. :old:
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^^^
Someone ban this guy.
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This thread is hilarious, has no one spotted that the reason for it all 'kicking off' is that someone was offended because a player described how he prevented a rape? Unless everyone in this thread thinks preventing rapes is offensive? :rolleyes:
They also admitted they are overly sensitive, and you have no clear facts of what was said afterwards by the devil man, it is quite possible that the woman is simply overly sensitive and takes things to much to heart!
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Threads like this are the reason we can't have nice things.
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This thread is hilarious, has no one spotted that the reason for it all 'kicking off' is that someone was offended because a player described how he prevented a rape? Unless everyone in this thread thinks preventing rapes is offensive? :rolleyes:
They also admitted they are overly sensitive, and you have no clear facts of what was said afterwards by the devil man, it is quite possible that the woman is simply overly sensitive and takes things to much to heart!
:headscratch:
Words of clear wisdom from a wise person. :salute
:rock
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This thread is hilarious, has no one spotted that the reason for it all 'kicking off' is that someone was offended because a player described how he prevented a rape? Unless everyone in this thread thinks preventing rapes is offensive? :rolleyes:
They also admitted they are overly sensitive, and you have no clear facts of what was said afterwards by the devil man, it is quite possible that the woman is simply overly sensitive and takes things to much to heart!
While one might be inclined to brush it off as somebody being overly sensitive I can well imagine some of the details that people might go into about the situation, and I can imagine it getting very graphic very quickly. It might not even be the kind of thing that I want to hear. Everybody respects soldiers but most don't want to hear the details of the time Grandpa Jim bayoneted Charlie in the middle of the night at Khe Sanh, Likewise it is a noble thing to stop a sexual assault, but people probably don't want to hear the graphic details of what you saw and did upon discovering a man trying to force himself upon a woman.
Besides, a Gentleman would not brag about such a thing. :)
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While one might be inclined to brush it off as somebody being overly sensitive I can well imagine some of the details that people might go into about the situation, and I can imagine it getting very graphic very quickly. It might not even be the kind of thing that I want to hear. Everybody respects soldiers but most don't want to hear the details of the time Grandpa Jim bayoneted Charlie in the middle of the night at Khe Sanh, Likewise it is a noble thing to stop a sexual assault, but people probably don't want to hear the graphic details of what you saw and did upon discovering a man trying to force himself upon a woman.
Besides, a Gentleman would not brag about such a thing. :)
I have refrained from posting too much on this topic,, Esme was one of the first female squaddies that we've had in years, being just regular guys hangin out all the time, and we discussed a lot of guy stuff. if this did not get blown out of proportion, if this did not make it to the General Forum, if more people understood EXACTLY what was said, and how people reacted, then this very well may have been a dead issue and would have blown over by now.
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I have refrained from posting too much on this topic,, Esme was one of the first female squaddies that we've had in years, being just regular guys hangin out all the time, and we discussed a lot of guy stuff. if this did not get blown out of proportion, if this did not make it to the General Forum, if more people understood EXACTLY what was said, and how people reacted, then this very well may have been a dead issue and would have blown over by now.
In stead a lot of people rush to a snap judgement from ONE side of the story... Thread should have be locked long ago.
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In stead a lot of people rush to a snap judgement from ONE side of the story... Thread should have be locked long ago.
Having a discussion about niceness has raised awareness of the issue. So there is value. :aok
:salute Nice people :rock
Those with the potential to be nicer, let's make Mr. Rogers proud. :old:
:)
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While one might be inclined to brush it off as somebody being overly sensitive I can well imagine some of the details that people might go into about the situation, and I can imagine it getting very graphic very quickly. It might not even be the kind of thing that I want to hear. Everybody respects soldiers but most don't want to hear the details of the time Grandpa Jim bayoneted Charlie in the middle of the night at Khe Sanh, Likewise it is a noble thing to stop a sexual assault, but people probably don't want to hear the graphic details of what you saw and did upon discovering a man trying to force himself upon a woman.
Besides, a Gentleman would not brag about such a thing. :)
Everything you have listed here is an assumption based on a one sided story.
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Goodbye all.
I'm very sad to say that due to an outrageously boorish attack on me by a couple of people in the MA - members of the squad I was in - I am leaving AH. My crime, apparently, is to have an odd voice and to be female and to simply ask that I be warned if certain subjects (one of the miscreants simply launched into a description of how he'd intervened to prevent a rape - a highly laudable thing to do, but I'm a sensitive soul, and really do NOT want to hear details, and so I tried to PM them saying I understood they couldnt know I'm that sensitive, but in future if they gave me warning, I'd leave channel for a bit and return when they're done. chaps in squads I've been in previously have been fine with doing so.) . I have never been so insulted or deeply upset in an online game as I was last night by that guy and his chum who apparently decided that the magic power of beer gave them the right to bully and harass me simply because I'm female and sound a little odd with it. I KNOW what I sound like, that's why I was tentative using vox in the first place, and why I explained about my voice before getting it set up. Gums from WarBirds once rather charmingly said of me that anything else aside, I add a little colour to the community, which I realised meant that whilst there may have been those who had their doubts about my gender back in WB, they're polite enough to keep it to themselves, and what the heck, its' a game, and we're all here to have fun, who cares if someone is rather odd so long as they're amiable and good to fly with? I could live with that.
All the folk in WB back then, and the vast majority of folk in AH both the first time I tried it several years ago, and this time around, have been fine with me. I had a lot of fun back in the S3's in WB2.77, and was starting to have fun in the FSO's this time around here in AH. But that's been called to a halt by a couple of ignorant boors who feel that they have the right to make personal attacks on someone who doesn;t quite fit their view of the world. I can't stay - they could change accounts and handles, and attack me again. I can't change my voice, and I refuse to pretend to be a bloke. And so, I'm grounded, this time for good.
Goodbye AH.
<S>
Esme
Esme,
I fondly remember flying with you in the WB S3 events with Vadr's JG2. I am sorry you were offended. If you want to return, I offer you my help, in whatever form you wish it, in anything that I can do.
---bino
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Wow... this thread is about to turn ugly. :eek:
Oversensitivity vs. Big Mouth Syndrome - a struggle the world over.
Golden Rule, folks. In the case of mixed company, picture what you're saying being said to your mother, wife, or daughter. Tie goes to shut up.
There are folks just shopping to be offended. Those people are no better than the people that can't keep their mouth shut. They usually just want to create some sort of drama because they're either off in the head or they like the attention.
Fred Rogers as the role model? I loved ol' Fred, but nah. He always struck me as a bit of a ninny. Far better to be like Dalton from Roadhouse.
(http://blogs.amctv.com/future-of-classic/Road_House_560.jpg)
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Everything you have listed here is an assumption based on a one sided story.
Maybe she was a bit too sensitive about the subject. But I doubt even the most easily worked up of people would get terribly upset about a simple "I had to step in and stop a woman from being raped one time.". It makes more sense in my head that perhaps the story got a little vulgur, and perhaps a little too graphic. I am not commenting or speculating about anything that may have taken place after this.
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The less of this that is made public the better. But due to the split in community opinion as to who was more to blame I would like to just point out a few of the messages Rtholmes got in trying to straighten out this matter from the person involved:
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,348894.0.html
I want to hear what you have to say about it.
First, I don't have to explain anything to you. Who are you? Next, piss off
who do YOU think YOU are? You and I know, in front of each other, you would keep your mouth shut. Don't ever send me a message.
I say your a coward, dont ever send me a question, i have no respect for you
Exsquaddie,
As you already know, I am CO of 71sqn so when something happens which causes problems within the squad, or the squad and the wider AH community it is down to me to sort it out.
You should know you were out of order on Saturday evening and, despite requests from several other squaddies to just boot you straight away, I decided that a 10-day suspension would be enough to make the point that the squad does not tolerate bullying and harassment, as well as giving you a chance to give your side of it and perhaps rectify the situation if possible.
Your PMs make it clear that this isnt going to happen, so I have no alternative but to permanently eject you from the squad.
You will no longer fly as a member of 71sqn, and you are no longer welcome on ch171 squad vox.
On a personal note I am sad that it has come to this, we have always got on well and I have backed you up when issues have arisen in the past. You will not receive any further PMs from me.
RT
I will not ask to be in a group with YOU. YOU have never taken up for ME. What a liar you are. NO guts to even stand up and say" I NEVER LIKED That guy ExSquaddie" YOU have always been 30 k and killing less than even that fake woman Emauer/Esmee person. It is your personality.
Not legal unless you stepped into a ring, but YOU are no kind of fighter at all. I would as soon punch you in the face as look at you.
Your just not MY kind of man, A person of courage.
You never have been and you know it as well as I do.
FYI: my new sqad chan is 171, live with it
I do not want this matter to be dragged out much more if possible. This is purely to show to some of the more hardened members of the community that the management of our squad tried to act with diplomacy and fairness until this shocking turn of events via private message. The Exsquaddie threw themself under the bus on this one. It's a shame because we all considered them as one of the family but obviously they did not hold the same consideration for anyone else.
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:rofl Posting PMs - classic. :banana:
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THIS
This thread is hilarious, has no one spotted that the reason for it all 'kicking off' is that someone was offended because a player described how he prevented a rape? Unless everyone in this thread thinks preventing rapes is offensive? :rolleyes:
They also admitted they are overly sensitive, and you have no clear facts of what was said afterwards by the devil man, it is quite possible that the woman is simply overly sensitive and takes things to much to heart!
and THIS
I have refrained from posting too much on this topic,, Esme was one of the first female squaddies that we've had in years, being just regular guys hangin out all the time, and we discussed a lot of guy stuff. if this did not get blown out of proportion, if this did not make it to the General Forum, if more people understood EXACTLY what was said, and how people reacted, then this very well may have been a dead issue and would have blown over by now.
are exactly spot on.
I've also stayed quiet, because I did not witness the exchange first-hand, but logged on within minutes afterwards and did hear from the 'offending party' a description of what was said and how that doesn't quite match the OP's account. I'd say everyone in this thread would be wise to collect all of the info in any situation before they light their torches and get their pitchforks.
I've detuned squad vox on many occasions when there was too much chatter and I was in a fight and couldn't deal with the noise, or just when I didn't want what was being discussed invading my earhole against my will. I WOULD NEVER think of tuning into my squaddies on private vox and repremanding them for their conversation or their language... it's my choice to either be on vox or not.
I do not want this matter to be dragged out much more if possible. This is purely to show to some of the more hardened members of the community that the management of our squad tried to act with diplomacy and fairness until this shocking turn of events via private message. The Exsquaddie threw themself under the bus on this one. It's a shame because we all considered them as one of the family but obviously they did not hold the same consideration for anyone else.
And THIS is exactly what I have a problem with, with respect to the "ExSquaddie" - I'm pretty upset about this whole series of events because he has been a squadmate of mine for every single day of my 4 years in 71 Sqd RAF, and I hate that he will no longer be one of us. He really is a good guy, and great to fly with. This whole incident struck a nerve with him, and when alcohol was involved the fire blew up. Those pm's were from an hour at night after all this took place, and he was already pretty hammered before he read them, so I'd guess that had something to do with the manner in which he responded.... but that's still no excuse. He was out of line with RT. I support RTHolmes and Batty 110%.
It just tears me up that this friend of ours let this get this out of hand.
(http://www.roadraceautox.com/images/smilies/sadbanana.gif)
I've said all I want to say, and apologies to Batty, but it's been weighing heavily on me for a few days.
It's a bad time, for sure.
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Those people are no better than the people that can't keep their mouth shut. They usually just want to create some sort of drama because they're either off in the head or they like the attention.
Good point, I know who the guy is and he doesn't mince his words when someone is trying to shove some cr@p on him, should she really be poking the bear with overly PC nonsense?
As for the PMs, in my opinion hes been hung out to dry here by the time the PMs took place, and now hes really been vilified further you shouldn't really give a stuff about what us lot think or how PC your being to the overly outraged community by not sticking up for the guy. The OP stinks of poor me and has very little real substance to it other than how utterly offended they were at a very noble act, that should tell you something right there.
You know him a lot better than us hes was your amigo and has been for years you know he can be like this if provoked, I have know him less and know hes like that, you should know his character, you should understand that, and the fact that at heart he is a good guy otherwise he would not have been in the squad as long as he has. This is truely a disappointing moment as the 71 are a bunch of great guys.
Personally I would rather have the angry bear than some vindictive politically correct whiner who provokes me then sinks me in public when I tell them were they can shove it. There will always be more honesty in the angry bear in the long run :salute
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Perv, I just want it to be recognised that under no circumstances would we throw one of our squad brothers or sisters under a bus. The only reason this person was ejected permanently was because they threw themself under the bus.
And you and I know what you'd do with PMs instead, Micky, don't we now. ;)
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i was there the night she was verbaly attacked, emauer then came to my squad channel and was literally in tears, i didnt think members of squadron 71 would be this cruel.
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i was there the night she was verbaly attacked, emauer then came to my squad channel and was literally in tears, i didnt think members of squadron 71 would be this cruel.
You were on our squad vox channel and heard what was said?
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This whole event has tarnished the reputation of an excellent squad, a good friend, and called into question the veracity of reports made by 71Sqn's leadership.
There was no verbal "attack". There was good-natured, over the top barroom banter of the kind everyone has indulged in at some point. The OP is a lovely person and I have flown with her and had the privilege of aerial support whilst tanking and kidding around trying to get altitude records in jets. She is not the sort of person to whom barroom banter is second nature, and those of us who are of a mind to moderate our behaviour when necessary, did so around Esme.
The other person involved is also a good friend and now ex-squaddie is more than reliable in a fight and never afraid to to have some fun. The ex-squaddie did not set out to offend anyone, he was verbally jousting in the way that some of us in 71Sqn do from time to time, kidding around about gender, nationality, sheep fetishes, and relative IQs/online noodle size. Sometimes we offend each other, usually the offended party goes off-piste and gets their head together before returning. It's like a big, brawling family, and only two mistakes were made:
1. Not recognising that someone had been "properly" hurt.
2. Being a bit too drunk to have any recognisable impulse control.
This was compounded by the offended party making it a public issue instead of dealing with it within the squad.
I'm not happy with the tone that this thread has taken, and I'm not sure that the thread really even needed to be started, but that's not anyone's decision except Esme's, who I will repeat, was lovely to fly with. But to tar the whole squad with the same brush (a temporarily and infrequently drunken brush) is, at best, unfair. RTHolmes has agonised over how to respond to an incident he wasn't privy to and was expected to make judgment calls based on second hand information. He's done that, and that has to be respected.
I was there. I tried to manage the situation. I failed. I may have even added to hurt or indignation felt by either party. I don't know, but I logged when I couldn't raise Esme via PM and things started getting a bit heated, as I knew things had gone too far and there was nothing to be saved from the situation. Plus I was angry and sad and slightly drunk myself.
My initial response to this incident was to hang up the joystick. But on reflection I can see how the rowdy alpha male would eventually upset the shy and retiring sister. We, as a squad simply need to take better care in selecting squaddies. No one person in this whole saga is a bad person, but I don't think either side has covered themselves with glory, post-unfortunate event. I'm also not going to quit AH over this, as that would simply be the act of a drama-queen and there aren't enough of us old-school queens left (calling Lew, come in, your time is up).
Be kind to each other, but also have some empathy for those who make mistakes.
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Palef I agree with your statement.. The pigs have the same bar room banter we have fun and enjoy each others company and silly bantering that goes on were a family of online friends who puts FUN in the word dysfunctional lol.... We had a women in our squad for awhile but it just didn't work out it got to be to hard for us to change who we were just for one person. Personally I think it should have been handled in squad and not brought here to be made a spectacle of by the drama queens. And this doesn't change the respect that I have for the 71st. carry on :salute
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everybody at one time or another will say something that will hurt or offend somebody at some point. be it due to alcohol, being tired, having a rough day, you name it. it is not an excuse but as most of us are adults we need to understand that what happened yesterday most likely is not a reflection of tomorrow.
the question is if everybody is willing to move on and let bygones be bygones.
semp
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barroom banter, always someone whose going to take it the wrong way and get ribbed. This is why we can't have nice things. Have a beer :cheers: and sleep it off.
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I wasn't going to reply in this thread again because I admit, I only heard one side of the story and didn't/don't know the rest.
Zoom...you said "We had a women in our squad for awhile but it just didn't work out it got to be to hard for us to change who we were just for one person."
I just have to say this...
I don't want any woman who ever joins this game to get a bad rap right off the hop and not be accepted into a squad because guys will have to watch what they say. I know that this game is 95% men and so do the women who sign up for it. If they can't handle that, they should not be on a squad vox. I can handle the "bar room" banter and most times I am the one to start it...part of why the game is fun. If the guys started to "watch what they said around me" it wouldn't be much fun to fly with them.
Also...
I got asked the other day if I was an admin/mod. The answer to that is NO! Most of the time I don't pay attention to what is being said because I am busy. And frankly it would bore me to death to have to sit there and read all night. :rolleyes:
After playing the last couple of nights, it is clear that now some people people find it uncomfortable to fly around me or talk to me. I just want to make it clear that you can't group women's behavior together just like I can't compare yours with the other guys.
:salute to Esme and the to "guy" and his squad that this involves, hope that you can get it all sorted out. Sorry that I added anything to this mess.
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Hang on a second! I can't find any stats for a dude named "Exsquaddie"... what gives?
and this hasn't done anything to the 71sqd.. people flip the fk out and get ejected.. happens..
I can't believe Bip is the only one to comment on my secksie voice and use of a voice mod..
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This whole event has tarnished the reputation of an excellent squad
Negative. You guys are a blast to fly with and I will continue to hop on vox and have laughs with you cats. I have never had any issues out of any of you. I dont know the whole story and personally dont give a rats bellybutton what was exchanged between her and them. It isnt any of my business. And this thread should just die to death now.
Issues like this should be taken up with skuzzy and avoid all the senseless, childish drama.
PS. I love you BatStink
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Hang on a second! I can't find any stats for a dude named "Exsquaddie"... what gives?
and this hasn't done anything to the 71sqd.. people flip the fk out and get ejected.. happens..
I can't believe Bip is the only one to comment on my secksie voice and use of a voice mod..
You dont know? Figured Grizz wouldve ratted me out. The only reason I even logged on when I was a Muppet was to hear your voice. Mmmmmm
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Good idea. :aok. I shall consider it. :old:
Patronizing
Mr Rogers does have a nice voice, but I will try to find something more along the lines of Charlton Heston. :old:
:rolleyes:
Consider your way, everyone that makes fun of voices. :old:
hypocracy
Being made fun of can hurt feelings. :old:
victimization
Zack1234 has a soothing voice. :old:
sucking up...
Being in a famous band likely helped him.. :old:
...to someone famous. Name Dropping.
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Patronizing :rolleyes:hypocracyvictimizationsucking up......to someone famous. Name Dropping.
Hi Vinky! :)
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My name is Doom and I am the "Exsquadie" in the completely inappropriate re posts of PMz Between RTholmes and my self. Right, wrong, this should have been dealt with in house.
I will say I was in the wrong on several fronts this night. But not for the things this Esme claims. I was being loud and overly animated. In fact I believe two squadies left chan that night due to this. But not one said anything to me about cooling any conversation but this Esme. Palef did try to cool things when it was clear it was going over board to his credit. I was loud, probably a bit more than obnoxious. I fully admit that, and it was not the right thing to do. The ones in game that night I have talked to about it so far I have told that I was sorry for that. It was poor behavior plain and simple.
The worst thing in the whole of this situation is what I said to RT when he made me angry by his PM heading "Explain this" showing the link to this post without having talked to me. We are team members and friends, not real pilots. I feel he should have asked more like "What happened what's going on" since he's not my daddy and I'm not his. Not one to be talked to in that way, I over reacted.
I also have told him I was sorry, and I should be. It was way over the top and I do not blame him for doing the next step. In fact he took the high road and did not do what I surely would have. Sent an ugly response back.
This is what I said that was so offensive I got a tongue lashing from a new player I didn't know from adam.
"I came out side on Bayou St. John and saw a woman being attacked and stopped it. The girl had been chocked and put unconscious. The guy had jumped in at a stop sign and kidnapped her and had pulled across the bayou from me..."
That's it. Then I was rudely interrupted. and here we are...
I didn't agree it was offensive at all but would have stopped with out fuss if it had been asked polite.
That's not what happened.
To finish: There is more to it but I don't really feel like writing a book over something that should not have made this big a fuss.
If anyone would like to talk to me about it, easy enough. Just PM me in game.
Doom
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ok got both sides of the story and all involved seem to be oversensitive or over animated. I would guess there were some underlying issues with a certain person.
EDIT: I like how all the internet white knights came to defense of a internet damsel in distress even though apparently she is the one that overeacted to the deeds of someone that actually did come to the aid of a damsel in distress.
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ok got both sides of the story and all involved seem to be oversensitive or over animated. I would guess there were some underlying issues with a certain person.
EDIT: I like how all the internet white knights came to defense of a internet damsel in distress even though apparently she is the one that overeacted to the deeds of someone that actually did come to the aid of a damsel in distress.
this
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this
this :headscratch:
It's a game. :old:
Back to your squad, you dawg! :old:
Make Mr Rogers proud. :old:
Don't do it again. :old:
:)
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this :headscratch:
It's a game. :old:
Back to your squad, you dawg! :old:
Make Mr Rogers proud. :old:
Don't do it again. :old:
:)
That. :old:
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this :headscratch:
It's a game. :old:
Back to your squad, you dawg! :old:
Make Mr Rogers proud. :old:
Don't do it again. :old:
:)
Back to what squad? :old:
Mr. Rogers threw me the bird :old:
I don't even have an active account :old:
Crazy old fool :old:
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That. :old:
I know tons of people are praying you get a power surge in your computer room.
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I know tons of people are praying you get a power surge in your computer room.
Hi BiPoLaR. :)
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Back to what squad? :old:
Mr. Rogers threw me the bird :old:
I don't even have an active account :old:
Crazy old fool :old:
Hi RedBull, long time, no see. :frown:
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Hi RedBull, long time, no see. :frown:
Hi middy, how are you :)
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Hi middy, how are you :)
Doing well. You? :)
Miss you. :rock
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I hope the lady reconsiders. I enjoy the company of women, even in a combat game. Yes Pepperr makes me nervous....because she is usually behind me and I'm on fire. All in good fun.
Frod
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Doing well. You? :)
Miss you. :rock
Quite well, thanks. I am sure we will get reacquainted when i return :banana:
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Quite well, thanks. I am sure we will get reacquainted when i return :banana:
Out of practice?
:ahand
:D
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Out of practice?
:ahand
:D
In your dreams :D :airplane: :joystick:
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In your dreams :D :airplane: :joystick:
:rolleyes:
:airplane: . . . . . :airplane: :joystick:
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I hope the lady reconsiders. I enjoy the company of women, even in a combat game. Yes Pepperr makes me nervous....because she is usually behind me and I'm on fire. All in good fun.
Frod
Same here, every time I see a Spit 9, I'm afraid it's her.
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Same here, every time I see a Spit 9, I'm afraid it's her.
she always flies the pink spit 9 not to be confused with the rainbow colored one that he who not be mentioned flies.
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she always flies the pink spit 9 not to be confused with the rainbow colored one that he who not be mentioned flies.
Or it could be waystin. :headscratch:
But if its a pink spit deacking a field, then its just a new pig squadie.
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Lol I use the pink skinned spit 9 when I fly it to.
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That is horrible and shameful that those 2 behaved that way.
Better to report them than let them ruin your fun.
If you don't leave and want to fly with a squad, feel free to look us up. We fly Rook in LW. In addition, feel free to PM me if you are looking to fly FSO. We don't tolerate that sort of behavior in our squad. Fly with us anytime. Rodent57 is the CO, Mace is the XO.
:rock
SlipKnoT
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I'll weigh in.
What good is a game where teenagers or those who act like them rule the roost?
Come on Dale. View the clips and bring the hammer down if the logs show it is just to do so.
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I'll weigh in.
What good is a game where teenagers or those who act like them rule the roost?
Come on Dale. View the clips and bring the hammer down if the logs show it is just to do so.
This thread should have been locked and gotten rid of long ago. Imagine if a male had created a whine post about harassment how would the community have acted? Should the different sexes be treated differently and if so why? Wouldn't treating a female different be kinda sexist in its own right?
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A long time ago in AH1, my son was flying and some guy got angry at him for something he was doing, I'm sure he didn't call a bogie or something. I had told my son he could fly but wasn't allowed to talk because I didn't want people harassing him or him annoying people with game talk. He was 8 years old.
So this guy just lights in on him ,swearing at him and denigrating him etc, I came back into the room and he's almost in tears and I hear this guy, I picked up the mic and tried to explain it to him,but he just wasn't gonna have it.
So I called all my squaddies and friends and anyone who would join to come fly around check sixxing this guy until he finally gave in and apologized to my son. A week later he contacted me in game asking for my address, so I thought why not ,let's see this cat. About two weeks later I get a phone call and he's in town wants to meet me and my son, so we load up and go to the designated meeting place. He gets out of his car ,walks to the trunk, pulls out a very nicely build P-51 model, walks up to my son with a big grin and hands it to him, apologizes to me and him ,buys our meal and then I hear his story of life, a sad tale it was and I have often spoke of it to others, so we can appreciate that teammates/squaddies/wingmen/brothers in arms, means more to those who actually served than it can ever mean to those who didn't.
We are still friends to this day!!
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That is horrible and shameful that those 2 behaved that way.
Better to report them than let them ruin your fun.
It's awesome when someone reads only the first post of a whine thread and thinks they have the whole &$#%ing story.
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Cretin, thanks for sharing that story. :salute
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In your dreams :D :airplane: :joystick:
ive been barely flying....rusty as all hell...met up with middy a couple times....last couple days :rofl :rofl :rofl
that spit 9 still didn't have what it takes to take out my KI...even in a 2vs1.... :rofl :rofl
strange though when I fly the spit9 Ki84's are meat on the table. :huh
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A long time ago in AH1, my son was flying and some guy got angry at him for something he was doing, I'm sure he didn't call a bogie or something. I had told my son he could fly but wasn't allowed to talk because I didn't want people harassing him or him annoying people with game talk. He was 8 years old.
So this guy just lights in on him ,swearing at him and denigrating him etc, I came back into the room and he's almost in tears and I hear this guy, I picked up the mic and tried to explain it to him,but he just wasn't gonna have it.
So I called all my squaddies and friends and anyone who would join to come fly around check sixxing this guy until he finally gave in and apologized to my son. A week later he contacted me in game asking for my address, so I thought why not ,let's see this cat. About two weeks later I get a phone call and he's in town wants to meet me and my son, so we load up and go to the designated meeting place. He gets out of his car ,walks to the trunk, pulls out a very nicely build P-51 model, walks up to my son with a big grin and hands it to him, apologizes to me and him ,buys our meal and then I hear his story of life, a sad tale it was and I have often spoke of it to others, so we can appreciate that teammates/squaddies/wingmen/brothers in arms, means more to those who actually served than it can ever mean to those who didn't.
We are still friends to this day!!
:aok
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Come on Dale. View the clips and bring the hammer down if the logs show it is just to do so.
Tend to agree........... the accusation is one of bullying and harassment.............. if true, then pretty serious. If untrue equally serious IMO.
View the clips, make a decision, lock the thread stating the matter has been dealt with.
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I hope the lady reconsiders. I enjoy the company of women, even in a combat game. Yes Pepperr makes me nervous....because she is usually behind me and I'm on fire. All in good fun.
Frod
I agree, thank goodness Pepper is on my side! .... For now... Dang side switchin AK's!