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Special Events Forums => Friday Squad Operations => Topic started by: CAP1 on May 28, 2013, 11:23:49 PM
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ok guys....i'm a bit late with these.........
f1=AXIS 1270 ALLIES 3385
F2=AXIS 1870 ALLIES 2010
F3=AXIS 1690 ALLIES 1890
FRAME 1 was the deciding factor in this setup. frames 2 and 3 actually ran VERY close in my opinion.
i saw pretty much enthusiasm in this setup, and am happy about that. i truly hope you guys had fun. i know i did. :aok
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We never had nor ever will have a chance in this setup. Rightfully so? Maybe.
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The LCA had a great time, flying for the Empire. Thank you CAP, we appreciate it.
:salute
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We never had nor ever will have a chance in this setup. Rightfully so? Maybe.
We? :lol
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I'd really love to see Jill and Judy show up where we could have a realistic Battle of the Philippine Sea. Of course Jill could not fit on the elevators of the smaller IJN carriers so there would still be some need for Kate to show up as well.
(http://img.wp.scn.ru/camms/ar/1036/pics/65_17.jpg)
(http://img.wp.scn.ru/camms/ar/1031/pics/65_5_b1.jpg)
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We never had nor ever will have a chance in this setup.
Funny, that's pretty much what I was thinking as my "Avenger of Invincibility" plummeted at "warp speed" :uhoh into the tracer-riddled vortex of enemy and allied aircraft over the IJN flattop those last two frames of last FSO. And I was right.
Here's a lil snapshot of last frame, immediately prior to my demise: (the tracer round you see passing under my left elevator is from Devil505)
(http://i833.photobucket.com/albums/zz255/woodlands52/FSO051713-8a_zps6c4ecf1d.png) (http://s833.photobucket.com/user/woodlands52/media/FSO051713-8a_zps6c4ecf1d.png.html)
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We? :lol
Japanese.
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Japanese.
You're Japanese? Oh wait, you mean the Japanese side. I still didn't see you there. :)
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I'd really love to see Jill and Judy show up where we could have a realistic Battle of the Philippine Sea. Of course Jill could not fit on the elevators of the smaller IJN carriers so there would still be some need for Kate to show up as well.
(http://img.wp.scn.ru/camms/ar/1036/pics/65_17.jpg)
(http://img.wp.scn.ru/camms/ar/1031/pics/65_5_b1.jpg)
Those are right nice pics! :)
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You're Japanese? Oh wait, you mean the Japanese side. I still didn't see you there. :)
PM sent.
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PM sent.
PM received. Still don't know why you're complaining about an event you weren't in.
Oh well. :) :salute
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Holy moly! Your name DOES come up in the logs after-all! My apologies.
But you are whining 'we never ever have a chance and life is so unfair' whine.
Really glad to see you unbanned and back in FSO. You're a changed man.
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Holy moly! Your name DOES come up in the logs after-all! My apologies.
But you are whining 'we never ever have a chance and life is so unfair' whine.
Really glad to see you unbanned and back in FSO. You're a changed man.
So I suppose this means I should ask you what Id like to ask you in public? Id much rather you keep it private please. Thank you.
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So I suppose this means I should ask you what Id like to ask you in public? Id much rather you keep it private please. Thank you.
Hey, I'm enjoying the plethora of whiney PMs but if you want to
do it in public, by all means. :D
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:rofl :lol :rofl :lol
Arlo, you're enjoying it too much...
(http://www.brainstuck.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/rub-salt.jpg)
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:rofl :lol :rofl :lol
Arlo, you're enjoying it too much...
(http://www.brainstuck.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/rub-salt.jpg)
:lol
(http://troll.me/images/y-u-no/hey-you-y-u-no-play-fair.jpg)
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Actually kinda like Krusty vrs. Schlowey here. Only when two idiots act like idiots...it's not that surprising, but when two intelligent men act like this...well...it's a bit tiresome.
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Actually kinda like Krusty vrs. Schlowey here. Only when two idiots act like idiots...it's not that surprising, but when two intelligent men act like this...well...it's a bit tiresome.
The Mighty Stampf has spoken. When you are compared to Krusty vs. Schlowy, it is time to hang it up. Believe it or not, I am trying to make progress. It's not working :(
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It's not working :(
How so? :)
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How so? :)
Bait
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Bait
You have a tough time differentiating bait from a question, dontya? :)
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My IQ is 65, so yes.
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My IQ is 65, so yes.
Oy. This again. Baiting! :)
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Funny, that's pretty much what I was thinking as my "Avenger of Invincibility" plummeted at "warp speed" :uhoh into the tracer-riddled vortex of enemy and allied aircraft over the IJN flattop those last two frames of last FSO. And I was right.
Here's a lil snapshot of last frame, immediately prior to my demise: (the tracer round you see passing under my left elevator is from Devil505)
(http://i833.photobucket.com/albums/zz255/woodlands52/FSO051713-8a_zps6c4ecf1d.png) (http://s833.photobucket.com/user/woodlands52/media/FSO051713-8a_zps6c4ecf1d.png.html)
Meant to say earlier .... nice pic! :)
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The Mighty Stampf has spoken. When you are compared to Krusty vs. Schlowy, it is time to hang it up. Believe it or not, I am trying to make progress. It's not working :(
Nothing mighty here. Quite the opposite, considering from everything I have tallied, you are the single most all time victorious pilot in FSO out of those who are currently active. You're the kommander of 2012's top killing squad in FSO. KN has an excellent FSO record...and most importantly...your men love you. That alone is enough for me...throw the stats aside.
Quibbling is beneath you.
You can tell me to go squat or stick it in my arse, Scoob...no worries there. Sometimes it's better to swim off with a sore lip and half a worm...then end up in the live well. Just something to consider.
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Nothing mighty here. Quite the opposite, considering from everything I have tallied, you are the single most all time victorious pilot in FSO out of those who are currently active. You're the kommander of 2012's top killing squad in FSO. KN has an excellent FSO record...and most importantly...your men love you. That alone is enough for me...throw the stats aside.
Wow.
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We never had nor ever will have a chance in this setup. Rightfully so? Maybe.
You may be right, even with 35 more Zekes than allowed in frame 2, and a 3 to 1 superiority in fighters alone. The IJN couldn't pull off a victory.
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You may be right, even with 35 more Zekes than allowed in frame 2, and a 3 to 1 superiority in fighters alone. The IJN couldn't pull off a victory.
My own, personal, totally unofficial opinion:
Early-war PTO special events will rarely, if ever, produce "historical" outcomes. Two major factors in the phenomenal Real Life successes of the IJN and IJA air forces were 1.) overwhelming local numerical superiority and 2.) Allied lack of technical intelligence on Japanese aircraft led to the use of inappropriate WWI-style dogfighting tactics. Here in FSO we try to set up a fight that is more or less even. And all the FSO Allied pilots know better than to try Angles Tactics against a Zero or Oscar.
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You can tell me to go squat or stick it in my arse, Scoob...no worries there.
I would never.
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You may be right, even with 35 more Zekes than allowed in frame 2, and a 3 to 1 superiority in fighters alone. The IJN couldn't pull off a victory.
I dunno. It had to be the equipment quality disparity. Or it had to be history. Maybe AH models the fuel octane.
And the CMs probably got it in for the Axis players. Anything but what it probably was. I never get tired of hearing that
... over and over. :)
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Nothing mighty here. Quite the opposite, considering from everything I have tallied, you are the single most all time victorious pilot in FSO out of those who are currently active. You're the kommander of 2012's top killing squad in FSO. KN has an excellent FSO record...and most importantly...your men love you. That alone is enough for me...throw the stats aside.
Quite the résumé there I must say.
And it is a pleasure to fly alongside him and this top notch squad in FSO. For the most part...you do not want to run into this group and be the red guys.
:salute
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You may be right, even with 35 more Zekes than allowed in frame 2, and a 3 to 1 superiority in fighters alone. The IJN couldn't pull off a victory.
but they came awful dam close, didn't they?
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I would never.
I, however, am not above it...
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ok guys....i'm a bit late with these.........
f1=AXIS 1270 ALLIES 3385
F2=AXIS 1870 ALLIES 2010
F3=AXIS 1690 ALLIES 1890
FRAME 1 was the deciding factor in this setup. frames 2 and 3 actually ran VERY close in my opinion.
i saw pretty much enthusiasm in this setup, and am happy about that. i truly hope you guys had fun. i know i did. :aok
looking at the above scores again, the first frame was a bloodbath. adjustments were made. with those adjustments, the IJN was within 200 points of the USN in BOTH frames. at that point, it is the CiC's battle to win or lose. that, and players incentive to adapt/improvise/overcome.
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looking at the above scores again, the first frame was a bloodbath. adjustments were made. with those adjustments, the IJN was within 200 points of the USN in BOTH frames. at that point, it is the CiC's battle to win or lose. that, and players incentive to adapt/improvise/overcome.
What about running the same event again and making the players switch sides to see how different the outcome would be once the shoe is on the other foot?
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What about running the same event again and making the players switch sides to see how different the outcome would be once the shoe is on the other foot?
Yeah? How about? :D
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What about running the same event again and making the players switch sides to see how different the outcome would be once the shoe is on the other foot?
ya know what? i might just do that...........
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:D
(http://i1197.photobucket.com/albums/aa433/arloguh03/a6m2_gear_up_zps7b6461f2.png)
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ya know what? i might just do that...........
:O I don't think I can make myself shoot down a blue plane. :cry
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:O I don't think I can make myself shoot down a blue plane. :cry
If they are shooting at you I bet you can.
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looking at the above scores again, the first frame was a bloodbath. adjustments were made. with those adjustments, the IJN was within 200 points of the USN in BOTH frames. at that point, it is the CiC's battle to win or lose. that, and players incentive to adapt/improvise/overcome.
Well Cap, I only partially agree. Yes, the adjustment you made to the number of F4Fs did help, but the Axis CiC constantly adapted tactics over the event. In frame one, the axis sent an large majority of aircraft on the attack, and paid dearly. Frame two, was a more balanced approach, neither attack or defense was particularly effective. In frame three, KN sent the minimum on the attack, stacking the defense with the hope that it would be enough to keep the ships afloat. Despite a numerical superiority, the allies sunk both carriers, simply plowing through the defense. The axis was successful in sinking the Lexington only because a few torpedo planes snuck through the Allies defense. So, now we're back to the issue of the comparative balance of axis vs. allies attack planes and the gross advantage of substituting the TBM-3 for the TBD. In short, the allies need only throw their attackers at the carriers in order to sink them, whereas the axis must be extremely lucky to even be in position to strike the carriers.
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If they are shooting at you I bet you can.
Heh...good point. :airplane:------ :airplane:
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:O I don't think I can make myself shoot down a blue plane. :cry
Hell, you do it in practice enough. :D
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:O I don't think I can make myself shoot down a blue plane. :cry
I know that feeling!!!! Just ask anyone in JG11 about Morf and the mossies! :rofl
:salute
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remember the "off week event" thread?
how about we run this for a single frame. everyone's on opposite sides. same exact set as frame 3. have at it.
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remember the "off week event" thread?
how about we run this for a single frame. everyone's on opposite sides. same exact set as frame 3. have at it.
That's all you, Hero. I'll be the bouncer, you setup the arena. :)
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(http://pistolato.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/kamikaze.jpg)
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That's all you, Hero. I'll be the bouncer, you setup the arena. :)
uumm.....i don't have the skillz to set it up.......
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(http://pistolato.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/kamikaze.jpg)
For crying out loud Arlo center the Hinomaru. Friggin Yankee Air Pirates.. :rolleyes:
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For crying out loud Arlo center the Hinomaru. Friggin Yankee Air Pirates.. :rolleyes:
Well, I only got one good eye, yaknow. :D
(http://wecanbeaoriginal.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/PirateEyePatch.jpg)
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True, I forgot. :lol
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uumm.....i don't have the skillz to set it up.......
its easy, go into the custom arena an set up the same thing. if you can do it in there, you can do it in the SEA. you in the big league now!! :D
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And all the FSO Allied pilots know better than to try Angles Tactics against a Zero or Oscar.
Beans in a 1v1 you're correct, historically everyone in the sim is too savvy to make the mistakes of early war Allied pilots against the Zeke. However in a squad vs squad engagement like you find in the AHII FSO, the biggest mistake a A6M2 squadron leader can do is send his guys to the deck to brawl with F4Fs. Take an equal number of F4Fs vs an equal number of Zekes in a classic furball.. The firepower and ruggedness of the F4Fs will quickly win out over the fragile airframes and modest firepower of the A6M2s on the deck twisting and turning. The F4Fs have a clear advantage with a sky full of snapshot opportunity's. Too many times flying in both F4Fs and A6M2s I have seen squads make this mistake. Pilots flying the A6M2 against the F4F should treat the fight as they would if they were flying the BF-109E against the Spit MK I. Better yet Luftwaffe expertain should use the same tactics when flying the Zeke against the F4F as they would if they were flying the Emil against the F4F. Vertical maneuvers in the A6M2 work much better against the F4F than just trying out turn them. My next comment is not meant as a slight or an insult to anybody or anybody's opinion on early war PTOs. If anything it is recognition of the way some Luftwaffe guys have mastered their aircraft. When flying the A6M2 take as much pride in what you can achieve in it as you would an Emil or Franz. Fly with as much tactical discipline as you would an Emil or a Franz. If you do this she wont disappoint you. The A6M2/F4F is the PTO version of the 109E/Spit1.
The attack aircraft are a different story and this is where CMs can make adjustments to counter the fact that we're missing 1942 era USN Attack planes. I would remind everyone though that at least two Allied CVs were sunk by B5Ns in this setup. It happened because both squadron Commanders Pand, and Hightone took the attitude that no matter what their squadron would manage to get through and get warheads on the target. As for me I hate flying bombers of any kind, but the Torpedo attack I was involved in during Frame-2 was one of the most fun and intense FSO missions I ever been a part of.
:salute
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As always, well thought out, presented and offered, Shifty.
You know me, Shifty...I wouldn't complain if we had paper airplanes assigned but...
The A6M2/F4F is the PTO version of the 109E/Spit1
I hope you would agree that...the Emil is more rugged than the A6M2, and the F4F is more rugged than the Spit1.
So what you end up with is a less rugged fighter against a more rugged fighter. True, tactics are similar when fighting the above match up, however, when one puts a burst of 20 mil into the wing of a spit...the spit goes down. The same on a wildcat, and the Grumman is likely to just fly off.
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I hope you would agree that...the Emil is more rugged than the A6M2, and the F4F is more rugged than the Spit1.
So what you end up with is a less rugged fighter against a more rugged fighter. True, tactics are similar when fighting the above match up, however, when one puts a burst of 20 mil into the wing of a spit...the spit goes down. The same on a wildcat, and the Grumman is likely to just fly off.
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Oh no doubt on the ruggedness of the F4F I never meant to down play it. My comment of "The A6M2/F4F is the PTO version of the 109E/Spit1" is mainly refering to it as the classic or iconic matchup.
Any of the four aircraft flown to their strengths during an FSO battle can win the day. :salute
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but they came awful dam close, didn't they?
Again the IJN upped 105 Zekes to the 70 they were alloted in frame 2. Frame 2 scores could of been closer to frame 1 than 3.
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This for tonight?
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Again the IJN upped 105 Zekes to the 70 they were alloted in frame 2. Frame 2 scores could of been closer to frame 1 than 3.
(http://i1197.photobucket.com/albums/aa433/arloguh03/26472607-77ce-4dfd-b8f2-22256344937a_zps4684bfe8.jpg)
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Good points made here.
Well Cap, I only partially agree. Yes, the adjustment you made to the number of F4Fs did help, but the Axis CiC constantly adapted tactics over the event. In frame one, the axis sent an large majority of aircraft on the attack, and paid dearly. Frame two, was a more balanced approach, neither attack or defense was particularly effective. In frame three, KN sent the minimum on the attack, stacking the defense with the hope that it would be enough to keep the ships afloat. Despite a numerical superiority, the allies sunk both carriers, simply plowing through the defense. The axis was successful in sinking the Lexington only because a few torpedo planes snuck through the Allies defense. So, now we're back to the issue of the comparative balance of axis vs. allies attack planes and the gross advantage of substituting the TBM-3 for the TBD. In short, the allies need only throw their attackers at the carriers in order to sink them, whereas the axis must be extremely lucky to even be in position to strike the carriers.
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PM received. Still don't know why you're complaining about an event you weren't in.
Oh well. :) :salute
Very simple. He's the CO of the squad and that his job whether in or not. It's called leadership and responsibility.
and most importantly...your men love you.
HEY!.... don't ask, don't tell. :lol
You're the kommander of 2012's top killing squad in FSO. KN has an excellent FSO record
Thank You. That's a lot coming from III./JG11, a double digit kill squad always. :salute