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Title: Proxies vs. WWII?
Post by: Slade on June 08, 2013, 11:52:20 AM
Hello all,

Did pilots in WWII get credit for kills via a proxy as we do in the game?

That is, a pilot getting credit for a kill even when they did nothing to contribute to its demise.  They were just close to it when it went down etc.


I honestly don't know.

Thanks,


Slade  :salute
Title: Re: Proxies vs. WWII?
Post by: Karnak on June 08, 2013, 11:56:13 AM
Not the same, no, but for causing an enemy to crash, yes.  Well, at least some air forces did.  Just for being in the area is how the computer has to handle it as it has no way of calculating if it was just a crash or if it was a forced error.
Title: Re: Proxies vs. WWII?
Post by: bustr on June 08, 2013, 01:04:51 PM
Do proxies and assists serve to help new players feel like they have a chance to become proficient? Kill strings in the text buffer are satisfying to us all. Proxies, well, I suspect everyone has had that one or two that made the string look even better. Still, why worry about it? Kills, assists and proxies are about validation. Early on some players need more than others to keep them paying that subscription. Later on, it may be the only thing going right in their lives from time to time.

You going to announce on 200 that your just landed 10 kills, 8 of them were because you happened to be diving on a mission of B29 that didn't clear a hill on take off? I once watched a past well known 262 vet from the tower rearming. It answered for me how he always landed so many kills and increased my respect for his 262 skill. 15 minutes later he landed 20 kills in his 262. On 200 I asked him how many rearms did it take. He lied and said "none"...........He also spent a lot of time in this forum shaming players for worrying about score and kill strings.

What is it you want from asking this?
Title: Re: Proxies vs. WWII?
Post by: Old Sport on June 08, 2013, 01:21:08 PM
Hello all,

Did pilots in WWII get credit for kills via a proxy as we do in the game?

That is, a pilot getting credit for a kill even when they did nothing to contribute to its demise.  They were just close to it when it went down etc.


I honestly don't know.

Thanks,


Slade  :salute



About the closest I can think of:

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Chuck Yeager demonstrated outstanding flying skills and combat leadership. He became the first pilot in his group to make "ace in a day," shooting down five enemy aircraft in a single mission. Two of his "ace in a day" kills were scored without firing a single shot: when he flew into firing position against a Messerschmitt Bf 109, the pilot of the aircraft panicked, breaking to starboard and colliding with his wingman. Yeager later reported both pilots bailed out. He finished the war with 11.5 official victories, including one of the first air-to-air victories over a jet fighter (a German Messerschmitt Me 262).

It wasn't like he did "nothing" but he didn't actually shoot these two either.

Best
Title: Re: Proxies vs. WWII?
Post by: Karnak on June 08, 2013, 01:39:35 PM
By no means would I suggest getting rid of proxies.  One of my most memorable moments in AH was getting a kill I earn in the C-47A and without the proxy system it would not have been recorded.
Title: Re: Proxies vs. WWII?
Post by: caldera on June 08, 2013, 03:56:44 PM
My ratio of proxy kills to real kills is probably at least 29 to 1.   :lol
Title: Re: Proxies vs. WWII?
Post by: FLOOB on June 08, 2013, 06:34:21 PM
On the other hand, in wwII if they shot a plane up and it crash landed at sea or broke into pieces on the ground they got credit for a kill. Not necessarily so in AH.
Title: Re: Proxies vs. WWII?
Post by: Lusche on June 08, 2013, 06:36:23 PM
On the other hand, in wwII if they shot a plane up and it crash landed at sea or broke into pieces on the ground they got credit for a kill. Not necessarily so in AH.


On the other hand, in AH you don't need a witness and you don't need to go through the red tape to get credit for the kill ;)
Title: Re: Proxies vs. WWII?
Post by: Ten60 on June 08, 2013, 06:37:02 PM
My ratio of proxy kills to real kills is probably at least 29 to 1.   :lol
Noob, I'm 32:1
Title: Re: Proxies vs. WWII?
Post by: FLOOB on June 09, 2013, 08:17:12 AM
On the other hand, in AH you don't need a witness and you don't need to go through the red tape to get credit for the kill ;)
Unless you consider sending films to HTC to get credited with a kill as going through red tape.
Title: Re: Proxies vs. WWII?
Post by: Slade on June 09, 2013, 06:32:08 PM
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What is it you want from asking this?

To gain a broader understanding of the pros and cons of this topic.  Gather more data points to see it more objectively rather than a rigid and linear fixed point of view.

Thanks.  :salute
Title: Re: Proxies vs. WWII?
Post by: HB555 on June 09, 2013, 07:43:30 PM
Unless you consider sending films to HTC to get credited with a kill as going through red tape.


You really think they would review every film sent in?  :rofl
Title: Re: Proxies vs. WWII?
Post by: FLOOB on June 09, 2013, 08:38:13 PM
Of course I don't send in every film. Duh. Not all my kills are contested.
Title: Re: Proxies vs. WWII?
Post by: gyrene81 on June 09, 2013, 10:31:52 PM
Of course I don't send in every film. Duh. Not all my kills are contested.
why on earth would you contest any kill to begin with? sounds like someone has some seriously misdirected priorities...
Title: Re: Proxies vs. WWII?
Post by: thndregg on June 09, 2013, 11:17:52 PM
I get just as much of a kick outflying my opponent, causing him to crash as I do actually shooting him down. It's a good system.
Title: Re: Proxies vs. WWII?
Post by: FLOOB on June 09, 2013, 11:31:08 PM
why on earth would you contest any kill to begin with? sounds like someone has some seriously misdirected priorities...
Because I enjoy being your priority big boy.  ;)
Title: Re: Proxies vs. WWII?
Post by: gyrene81 on June 10, 2013, 06:56:24 AM
isn't that special, go have some more twinkies sweetheart...
Title: Re: Proxies vs. WWII?
Post by: DREDIOCK on June 10, 2013, 07:32:24 AM
I get just as much of a kick outflying my opponent, causing him to crash as I do actually shooting him down. It's a good system.

Sometimes its even more fun once you learn how to use the terrain to your advantage. Course this also means that occasionally you become someone elses proxie when you misjudge the height of a hill or tree by about 1 foot
Title: Re: Proxies vs. WWII?
Post by: thndregg on June 10, 2013, 02:15:27 PM
Sometimes its even more fun once you learn how to use the terrain to your advantage. Course this also means that occasionally you become someone elses proxie when you misjudge the height of a hill or tree by about 1 foot

Yep. I've found the Yak to be pretty nimble on the deck. That and its small profile work pretty well.
Title: Re: Proxies vs. WWII?
Post by: DREDIOCK on June 10, 2013, 02:23:04 PM
Yep. I've found the Yak to be pretty nimble on the deck. That and its small profile work pretty well.

Even more fun when you learn how to do a very low alt split S in the D9
Title: Re: Proxies vs. WWII?
Post by: Scherf on June 10, 2013, 08:16:30 PM
Do they even make twinkies any more?
Title: Re: Proxies vs. WWII?
Post by: gyrene81 on June 10, 2013, 10:38:17 PM
Do they even make twinkies any more?
evidently...
http://www.nbcnews.com/business/twinkies-real-ones-back-store-shelves-july-6C9590050 (http://www.nbcnews.com/business/twinkies-real-ones-back-store-shelves-july-6C9590050)