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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Nath[BDP] on July 10, 2013, 05:24:45 PM
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This is an open invitation to folks who are interested primarily in the lost art of ACM and Furballs.
It seems the predominance of speed of the late war plane set has created a culture of non-engagement and serious timidity. The favorite tactic these days is staying high and fast, pulling no more than 3G when engaging and then running off if the prey shows any semblance of skill in fighting at a disadvantage.
Engagements lack the edge of your seat excitement of a furball circa 2003.
The best times I've had in AH since returning are the times when the LWMA is closed and people fly in Midwar. The planes are slower, slightly less lethal, and this leads to more interesting fights.
So I invite more players to come experience the Midwar arena during peak hours. Give up your P51Ds, 109K4s, La7s, Doras and jump into the fray.
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I used to regularly fly in the MW arena for many years because I've always felt it had the best plane matchups and you were able to find some good quality fights but that has changed over the years and it's just become a mini-LW arena. Last time I was in there a few months ago, players were more focused on hording undefended bases than fighting. There was one squadron, (a FA refugee squad) that would do anything they could to avoid any sort of fight unless they had overwhelming numbers against the sole bandit. Another squadron would hord undefended bases and then leave if defenders started to up and would move on to the next undefended base. It grew quite tiresome.
ack-ack
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any time Ive flown in there Id kill a couple attacking a/c and theyd just leave the server or jump sides and go someplace else....sad really, so now I just hunt P51s with my KI43.
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I know the squad, AckAck, and was a member in FA, they were different then, you couldn't avoid a fight with them then. The last time I went to MW, I was Hoed by their squad leader, and thinking that once he knew who I was would fight, but I was sadly mistake. He did it again, so basically, MW is just LW with older planes.....which I can fly in LW and have a challenge
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For when I've flown recently, there have been plenty of good fights to be found except after about 11 pm Pacific time, at which point there often aren't enough people up to maintain more than 1-2 guys here and there scattered around the map. Most pilots employ turn-and-burn ACM, with a much smaller number being ones that run off.
I expect a faster plane to try to run if it gets in trouble. That's what he should do. When I'm fighting faster planes, I keep that in mind as I fight, trying to keep the E or position to preclude escape if possible. Or, if I'm in a faster, less-maneuverable plane compared to an opponent, I try to keep the ability to disengage if things start going badly for me. That is just another set of ACM techniques in my opinion.
Now is it much fun if the attacker is in a high La-7 that does B&Z passes on you until his huge E advantage is spent then zooms off? Compared to other fights, no. But that seems a tiny minority of the fighters compared to ones that do T&B.
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A HO takes 2; One to initiate and one to take the bait.
It is incredibly easy to avoid them.
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A HO takes 2; One to initiate and one to take the bait.
It is incredibly easy to avoid them.
Lies. If a guy wants to HO-ram you, you're going to take damage regardless of what you do. Pull up? Shot to the belly. Dive down? Shot to the cockpit. Break left? Shot to the wing. Break right? Shot to the wing. The only reason the HO-rammer fails to kill you is because 90% of the time, it's a scrub who can't aim worth a dime in the first place. If a top notch pilot wanted to HO you, you'd take damage no matter what you did.
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Lies. If a guy wants to HO-ram you, you're going to take damage regardless of what you do. Pull up? Shot to the belly. Dive down? Shot to the cockpit. Break left? Shot to the wing. Break right? Shot to the wing. The only reason the HO-rammer fails to kill you is because 90% of the time, it's a scrub who can't aim worth a dime in the first place. If a top notch pilot wanted to HO you, you'd take damage no matter what you did.
Wow. You don't know how to evade the HO so it can't be done?
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Wow. You don't know how to evade the HO so it can't be done?
DA. Give me a 410/190/110. You try to evade it. Bet you you can't.
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Lies. If a guy wants to HO-ram you, you're going to take damage regardless of what you do. Pull up? Shot to the belly. Dive down? Shot to the cockpit. Break left? Shot to the wing. Break right? Shot to the wing. The only reason the HO-rammer fails to kill you is because 90% of the time, it's a scrub who can't aim worth a dime in the first place. If a top notch pilot wanted to HO you, you'd take damage no matter what you did.
Nope, it's true. Either that our there are less "top notch" pilots that I thought.
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Wow. You don't know how to evade the HO so it can't be done?
How does one avoid a HO then. I am fairly ok in a 38 and often get HO'd, the typical spit16 driver who comes straight up at you as you are trying to out climb him. Obviously to gain speed I need to put the nose down and going in for the kill see the spixteen coming straight up at me. I try to avoid but I get shot probably 50% of the time and more often than I would like, as I divert, they divert and turn it into a HO/Ram as I do not have enough reaction time to get totally out the way.
I would love to know how to avoid the HO, I see a few people saying, "easy to avoid", ok, explain how?
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DA. Give me a 410/190/110. You try to evade it. Bet you you can't.
Mmmmbecause you're a practiced HO expett? I 've been successfully dodging HOs for a decade and a half. After you embarrass yourself trying to show me how great a HOer you are, I'll teach you. :D
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Mmmmbecause you're a practiced HO expett? I 've been successfully dodging HOs for a decade and a half. After you embarrass yourself trying to show me how great a HOer you are, I'll teach you. :D
:lol Never thought I'd see the day where someone asks to get HOed. Sure. What's your IGN pal? And afterwards, maybe we can get an actually duel match going on. ;)
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Plenty of prancing ninnies tried to ho my B-25H yesterday... :t
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On a side note, that one I'll never be able to understand... A guy who is so timid he won't engage at all if he doesn't hold the whole deck and an additional pair of jokers, who makes his only attack attempt a head on where he puts himself into the most precarious position he can allowing his enemy to have a solution on him...
I mean :headscratch: :huh :confused: :confused:
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Plenty of prancing ninnies tried to ho my B-25H yesterday... :t
It amazes me that people will try and HO a B-25H. Had one come at me and I blasted him a 1000 yards out with the 75mm cannon.
ack-ack
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It amazes me that people will try and HO a B-25H. Had one come at me and I blasted him a 1000 yards out with the 75mm cannon.
ack-ack
:) Don't scare Arlo like that.
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Back to Nath's original post, The MW COULD be the way he described ALL the time---it's small enough that a dedicated group of NON-dweeby players could permanently set the tone in there, and have it become a small model of what AH WAS about the time the C-hog was introduced (which turned the game upside-down at that time) It's a thought, anyway
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I Will be in Midwar tonight -- bring the pain, is the B25H there? if so stang will be too. plenty of hooting and hollaring to look foward to and i might make history by topping the Birdo moment
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I'll be in mid war once I'm done dealing with potato peelin iTunes.
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This is an open invitation to folks who are interested primarily in the lost art of ACM and Furballs.
It seems the predominance of speed of the late war plane set has created a culture of non-engagement and serious timidity. The favorite tactic these days is staying high and fast, pulling no more than 3G when engaging and then running off if the prey shows any semblance of skill in fighting at a disadvantage.
Engagements lack the edge of your seat excitement of a furball circa 2003.
The best times I've had in AH since returning are the times when the LWMA is closed and people fly in Midwar. The planes are slower, slightly less lethal, and this leads to more interesting fights.
So I invite more players to come experience the Midwar arena during peak hours. Give up your P51Ds, 109K4s, La7s, Doras and jump into the fray.
Muppets or the sound of them make this person ^ gag but...
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Back to Nath's original post, The MW COULD be the way he described ALL the time---it's small enough that a dedicated group of NON-dweeby players could permanently set the tone in there, and have it become a small model of what AH WAS about the time the C-hog was introduced (which turned the game upside-down at that time) It's a thought, anyway
This statement makes me wonder why the F4U-1C is STILL perked after all of these years considering all of the cannon armed aircraft flying around today in the MA.
I agree that Mid-War has become a microcosm of the MA.
...just thoughts.
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DA. Give me a 410/190/110. You try to evade it. Bet you you can't.
ill take ya up on that :aok
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This statement makes me wonder why the F4U-1C is STILL perked after all of these years considering all of the cannon armed aircraft flying around today in the MA.
I agree that Mid-War has become a microcosm of the MA.
...just thoughts.
Thankfully, it takes more talent to succeed in it than the newer, lesser-armed cannon rides
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Thankfully, it takes more talent to succeed in it than the newer, lesser-armed cannon rides
Just curious...why more talent to succeed?
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I don't find head-ons hard to avoid unless I'm very slow, and if I'm very slow with the enemy being able to point his guns at me, I deserve to get hit.
In the cases where I have decent speed, I just fly off angle to the attacker, then pull g's in a different direction back toward him (still off angle, but a different off angle) as he comes into the about the 800-yard range. It is rare that I take any hits, and when I do, they are usually not major hits.
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Since my return back to the game last month, I swore off flying a 51 altogether and my K/D and fighter rank has never been higher in my 6 or 7 years of playing. Granted a lot of this due to my squad mates, but flying a jug forces you to fight your way home more often. I would fly the pony and get a few kills and rtb. Now with the jugs, I'm forced to fight more and I'm heading home 5,6 or 8 kills at a time These are the only reasons I can come up with for my improved stats.
Although the 51 will always be my favorite plane of the war, I'm glad I got serious about parking it. I interested to see if I can keep my lucky streak going in these 47s.
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I don't find head-ons hard to avoid unless I'm very slow, and if I'm very slow with the enemy being able to point his guns at me, I deserve to get hit.
In the cases where I have decent speed, I just fly off angle to the attacker, then pull g's in a different direction back toward him (still off angle, but a different off angle) as he comes into the about the 800-yard range. It is rare that I take any hits, and when I do, they are usually not major hits.
A lot of guys looking for a good fight will try and merge with someone Hoping they will actually get a merge without a HO shot and then proceed with the fight, YES this does happen alot when you know who is flying, I have done this many times in the past when I knew certain players were ingame and and upping regularly from a base, (furballing) so to speak. A chance some are willing to take, I will have a angry smart ilek comment on range about him/her when they do HO but that is about it, I think it's lame game play.
As we all know there are many that think it is a great tactic and they will continue to incorporate it into their evolving ACM :) always keeps you guessing, which is true to reality.
HL
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Uptown, Hello!
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DA. Give me a 410/190/110. You try to evade it. Bet you you can't.
Bet I can every time....
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The odds are in favor of the person evading the HO Titanic. I could avoid HO shots all day man. It isn't that hard. You get unlucky sometimes for sure.
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Yea, if you're already making maneuvers to avoid at 2K away, then it's not hard. But in a multi con engagement where you only have a short distance to react (400-600), then I would love to see someone avoid a HO like that.
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Yea, if you're already making maneuvers to avoid at 2K away, then it's not hard. But in a multi con engagement where you only have a short distance to react (400-600), then I would love to see someone avoid a HO like that.
So, you're saying you're the best at HOing when you're not only in German metal but the other guy is distracted and he doesn't see you coming? Well, I don't know about everyone else, but I'm right impressed. :lol
HO rant/whines are overrated. :D
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So, you're saying you're the best at HOing when you're not only in German metal but the other guy is distracted and he doesn't see you coming? Well, I don't know about everyone else, but I'm right impressed. :lol
HO rant/whines are overrated. :D
Yes. The guy who gets on 200 almost everyday ask for some one to duel likes to HO. Yes. The guy who asked people to up from a field today because there were no fights is the best at HOing. Yep. Boy, I sure love to HO. I mean I haven't made countless posts about promoting dogfights and fighting til the death at all. Nope, HOing and vulching is all I do.
Oh, and in case you still don't get it. That first paragraph was sarcasm. Wait, gotta spell it out clearly too. I don't advocate HOing, I simply stated that if someone wanted to HOram you, they will, even if it means they die in the process. Now if you want to go ahead and test this out, I'm willing. Any plane you like, doesn't have to be German, or American or British or Japanese or Italian or Russian.
Dumb people are overrated.
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Yes. The guy who gets on 200 almost everyday ask for some one to duel likes to HO. Yes. The guy who asked people to up from a field today because there were no fights is the best at HOing. Yep. Boy, I sure love to HO. I mean I haven't made countless posts about promoting dogfights and fighting til the death at all. Nope, HOing and vulching is all I do.
Oh, and in case you still don't get it. That first paragraph was sarcasm. Wait, gotta spell it out clearly too. I don't advocate HOing, I simply stated that if someone wanted to HOram you, they will, even if it means they die in the process. Now if you want to go ahead and test this out, I'm willing. Any plane you like, doesn't have to be German, or American or British or Japanese or Italian or Russian.
Lies. If a guy wants to HO-ram you, you're going to take damage regardless of what you do. Pull up? Shot to the belly. Dive down? Shot to the cockpit. Break left? Shot to the wing. Break right? Shot to the wing. The only reason the HO-rammer fails to kill you is because 90% of the time, it's a scrub who can't aim worth a dime in the first place. If a top notch pilot wanted to HO you, you'd take damage no matter what you did.
DA. Give me a 410/190/110. You try to evade it. Bet you you can't.
Yea, if you're already making maneuvers to avoid at 2K away, then it's not hard. But in a multi con engagement where you only have a short distance to react (400-600), then I would love to see someone avoid a HO like that.
Dumb people are overrated.
Yes, they are. :lol
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Since my return back to the game last month, I swore off flying a 51 altogether and my K/D and fighter rank has never been higher in my 6 or 7 years of playing.
It will be astronomically high if you were to switch to the true man's plane, the P-38. Just sayin'.
ack-ack
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Thankfully, it takes more talent to succeed in it than the newer, lesser-armed cannon rides
takes more skill to fly and live in a non -4 Hog (IMO) It can't run away or climb away like Lgays, K4', etc..... The reason I said 'Thankfully' is the HUGE amount of hizookas the thing carries
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Uptown, Hello!
Howdy HL! I heard you was taking a break for awhile. Good to see ya man! :cheers:
It will be astronomically high if you were to switch to the true man's plane, the P-38. Just sayin'.
ack-ack
:lol I don't know about that, but the 38s are next on the list to learn. I think these heavy jugs will be good training for handling the heavy 38s later on. If I could ever got on par with you, Twinboom and Pawz and all the rest of ya, I'll be happy as a hog in a mud hole.
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Yes, they are. :lol
Still waiting boyo. Any time you wanna prove your intelligence, lemme know.
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On a side note, that one I'll never be able to understand... A guy who is so timid he won't engage at all if he doesn't hold the whole deck and an additional pair of jokers, who makes his only attack attempt a head on where he puts himself into the most precarious position he can allowing his enemy to have a solution on him...
I mean :headscratch: :huh :confused: :confused:
STOP IT!!!! :furious
You are making sense :O
:cheers:
JUGgler
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Since my return back to the game last month, I swore off flying a 51 altogether and my K/D and fighter rank has never been higher in my 6 or 7 years of playing. Granted a lot of this due to my squad mates, but flying a jug forces you to fight your way home more often. I would fly the pony and get a few kills and rtb. Now with the jugs, I'm forced to fight more and I'm heading home 5,6 or 8 kills at a time These are the only reasons I can come up with for my improved stats.
Although the 51 will always be my favorite plane of the war, I'm glad I got serious about parking it. I interested to see if I can keep my lucky streak going in these 47s.
Well, if that is the case, I suggest a 109 G-6 :aok
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Yea, if you're already making maneuvers to avoid at 2K away, then it's not hard. But in a multi con engagement where you only have a short distance to react (400-600), then I would love to see someone avoid a HO like that.
If you only see the guy coming in from 400-600 yards out, that's on you. If your SA is overwhelmed, I'd think the far more logical whine would be the fact that you're being ganged, rather than what angle you're being shot from.
Never understood why people seem to think they should be able to shout 'HOME FREE!' when their nose is pointed at the other plane.
Wiley.
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If you only see the guy coming in from 400-600 yards out, that's on you. If your SA is overwhelmed, I'd think the far more logical whine would be the fact that you're being ganged, rather than what angle you're being shot from.
Never understood why people seem to think they should be able to shout 'HOME FREE!' when their nose is pointed at the other plane.
Wiley.
:rolleyes:
So if it's a 1v1 and you get HOed, your SA is overwhelmed?
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:rolleyes:
So if it's a 1v1 and you get HOed, your SA is overwhelmed?
not sure why you would reply in that manner, it is obvious he was replying to your multi con scenario... :rolleyes:
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:rolleyes:
So if it's a 1v1 and you get HOed, your SA is overwhelmed?
Yea, if you're already making maneuvers to avoid at 2K away, then it's not hard. But in a multi con engagement where you only have a short distance to react (400-600), then I would love to see someone avoid a HO like that.
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...Wait... I'm confused now.
DA. Give me a 410/190/110. You try to evade it. Bet you you can't.
Followed by multiple offers to take you up on it. I'm just another dweeb and I could probably take you up on that offer and beat it. Enough people who are far better than me were willing to prove you wrong I never bothered, plus I don't chest thump as a rule.
Then suddenly it becomes:
Yea, if you're already making maneuvers to avoid at 2K away, then it's not hard. But in a multi con engagement where you only have a short distance to react (400-600), then I would love to see someone avoid a HO like that.
And followed by...
:rolleyes:
So if it's a 1v1 and you get HOed, your SA is overwhelmed?
Your 1v1's start 400-600 out? Ok, I'll grant you the point. If 2 planes start rolling on the runway from opposite ends 400-600 yards apart and one of them is intent on hoing, it is going to be difficult to avoid the HO in that scenario.
I am pretty sure what the response will be, but it's really ok to admit you're wrong or that you were exaggerating on a forum. Nothing bad will happen to you.
Wiley.
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You say you're willing to test it out. So far, not a single person have tried to, either through PMs or in here. Guess lots of you are just talk huh?
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You say you're willing to test it out. So far, not a single person have tried to, either through PMs or in here. Guess lots of you are just talk huh?
don't change the subject... :D
i'll jump on and test it with you...i have to avoid goofy bish hotards all the time. it can be 50/50, depends on whether or not i decide to ram the dipstick...
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don't change the subject... :D
i'll jump on and test it with you...i have to avoid goofy bish hotards all the time. it can be 50/50, depends on whether or not i decide to ram the dipstick...
Sure, I'm in right now in the MA, titanMd.
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You say you're willing to test it out. So far, not a single person have tried to, either through PMs or in here. Guess lots of you are just talk huh?
If nobody's taken you up on it by the next time I'm on, I will happily champion the side of those who don't see HO's as that big a deal.
For efficiency's sake, I'd suggest just upping 25%, merge, you take your shot, and we just blow through, reversing at 3k, repeat as necessary. Sound reasonable?
Wife's got plans, but I'm hoping to be on around or shortly after 10 EST tonight.
Wiley.
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Sure, I'm in right now in the MA, titanMd.
i'm one of those slovenly people that has to work for a living...it'll be another 6 hours or so before i can get home to join the fun.
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Yea, if you're already making maneuvers to avoid at 2K away, then it's not hard. But in a multi con engagement where you only have a short distance to react (400-600), then I would love to see someone avoid a HO like that.
Why would I want to avoid a HO in a multi-con engagement like that? The guy just gave me one of the easiest shots possible.
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Why would I want to avoid a HO in a multi-con engagement like that? The guy just gave me one of the easiest shots possible.
Remember torq and Nash in the C-Hawg? HO specialist they were.
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Since my return back to the game last month, I swore off flying a 51 altogether and my K/D and fighter rank has never been higher in my 6 or 7 years of playing. Granted a lot of this due to my squad mates, but flying a jug forces you to fight your way home more often. I would fly the pony and get a few kills and rtb. Now with the jugs, I'm forced to fight more and I'm heading home 5,6 or 8 kills at a time These are the only reasons I can come up with for my improved stats.
Although the 51 will always be my favorite plane of the war, I'm glad I got serious about parking it. I interested to see if I can keep my lucky streak going in these 47s.
Jack,
Not sure why, but glad you are :aok
I think it's the P-47 bringing out the potential in you, and yea, it definitely helps having a good wingman.
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Still waiting boyo. Any time you wanna prove your intelligence, lemme know.
My intelligence or my ability? Several players have told you how mistaken you are. You then went and described 'head-ons' erroneously. You then, ironically and without intent, admitted how overrated you are. I reckon it's not my intelligence that's in question, at this point (by anyone other than you and, regrettably, you tipped off your lack of qualification). That doesn't mean you can't amuse and it certainly doesn't mean your worth any kind of effort. I went to the DA twice last night. I'll be there again. When and if you're there, impress us with your knack for HOing.
:aok :) ;)
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My intelligence or my ability? Several players have told you how mistaken you are. You then went and described 'head-ons' erroneously. You then, ironically and without intent, admitted how overrated you are. I reckon it's not my intelligence that's in question, at this point (by anyone other than you and, regrettably, you tipped off your lack of qualification). That doesn't mean you can't amuse and it certainly doesn't mean your worth any kind of effort. I went to the DA twice last night. I'll be there again. When and if you're there, impress us with your knack for HOing.
:aok :) ;)
You still think I have a "knack for HOing". Reading comprehension wasn't taught to you or something?
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Remember torq and Nash in the C-Hawg? HO specialist they were.
Torque I remember for sure. Nash I recall being more of a N1K guy, but I could be wrong.
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You still think I have a "knack for HOing". Reading comprehension wasn't taught to you or something?
DA. Give me a 410/190/110. You try to evade it. Bet you you can't.
Seems pretty clear what you're saying.
Wiley.
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You say you're willing to test it out. So far, not a single person have tried to, either through PMs or in here. Guess lots of you are just talk huh?
We've all tested this out thoroughly, already. This isn't a 'test' to us. Now if it's a matter of you trying to prove the only pilot in AH that we can't avoid in a HO is you then it's a case of you only begging us for a chance to impress us. But when you admitted that in the true circumstance of a head-on attack (and let me explain what that is, since you don't seem to realize):
A head-on attack is when, at the time of visual con, you turn toward the enemy with the intent to fire at them and they do likewise. Nobody changes their mind. And while you can do this when there's more than one enemy and you can do this with a group of friendlies with similar intent ... you cannot do this flying into an active furball. The enemy is already engaged, at that point. You're not HOing anyone then. All you're doing is flying through and managing to hit someone in the front instead of anywhere else.
.... ok, when you admitted that in the true circumstance of a head-on attack someone can easily avoid you, of all people, you blew your reason for hating/fearing HOs all to Hades. And you certainly didn't make yourself into the stuff of legend here.
Are you sure you want to make this about comparative intelligence rather than your ignorance of the subject matter (backed up by your theoretical superiority at the game)? :aok
*Take this opportunity to grow. We'll all respect you for it .... in the morning. :)
And organize your glove-slapping better. If you can manage that then I'm sure you'll get all kinds of dance partners to impress both on the forums and in the DA. :salute
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You still think I have a "knack for HOing". Reading comprehension wasn't taught to you or something?
Mine's fine. You apparently don't proof-check well. :D
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Seems pretty clear what you're saying.
Wiley.
Because some don't believe that you can't avoid a HO. I don't advocate HOing, but I'm willing to prove them wrong.
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Because some don't believe that you can't avoid a HO. I don't advocate HOing, but I'm willing to prove them wrong.
Good luck with this. It's a humility test, you know. :D
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Because some don't believe that you can't avoid a HO. I don't advocate HOing, but I'm willing to prove them wrong.
One can find himself in certain situations where the HO is unavoidable but most of the time, with proper merge tactics, it can be avoided.
ack-ack
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stop chitting on my thread
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stop chitting on my thread
HTC ownership. ;)
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A head-on attack is when, at the time of visual con, you turn toward the enemy with the intent to fire at them and they do likewise. Nobody changes their mind. And while you can do this when there's more than one enemy and you can do this with a group of friendlies with similar intent ... you cannot do this flying into an active furball. The enemy is already engaged, at that point. You're not HOing anyone then. All you're doing is flying through and managing to hit someone in the front instead of anywhere else.
I don't agree with this definition.
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I don't agree with this definition.
Then surely you are capable of offering a different one and we can discuss the differences. :)
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this pretty much sums up what i think of you people arguing about HOs
http://youtu.be/UjrnhkBHZvw
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Er... perhaps a new HO related thread, guys? This one has strayed wildly off course.
As to the OP, I guess the more restricted planeset would be a bit more fun. When I'm not trying different things I usually fly midwar rides as my main ones anyways, it would just alter what my opponents are in.
Unfortunately the majority want bigger better faster stronger, so MW's only got a limited draw and just doesn't get the numbers it needs to be fun as anything other than a few people furballing.
Wiley.
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Moved:
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,351054.0.html
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This is an open invitation to folks who are interested primarily in the lost art of ACM and Furballs.
It seems the predominance of speed of the late war plane set has created a culture of non-engagement and serious timidity. The favorite tactic these days is staying high and fast, pulling no more than 3G when engaging and then running off if the prey shows any semblance of skill in fighting at a disadvantage.
Engagements lack the edge of your seat excitement of a furball circa 2003.
The best times I've had in AH since returning are the times when the LWMA is closed and people fly in Midwar. The planes are slower, slightly less lethal, and this leads to more interesting fights.
So I invite more players to come experience the Midwar arena during peak hours. Give up your P51Ds, 109K4s, La7s, Doras and jump into the fray.
I will be there this weekend in a F6F or P38G
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You know what we need is a private, scheduled dueling arena that is filmed for all to view. Then these type arguments on who can do what with which plane could be answered by the duel. Could be some neat stuff.
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You know what we need is a private, scheduled dueling arena that is filmed for all to view. Then these type arguments on who can do what with which plane could be answered by the duel. Could be some neat stuff.
Or party goons, like the AW days, so you could pack a bunch of observers into the goon and circle the fight while you watched and held a running commentary.
Good times.
- oldman
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You know what we need is a private, scheduled dueling arena that is filmed for all to view. Then these type arguments on who can do what with which plane could be answered by the duel. Could be some neat stuff.
Made me think, we need virtual web cams set out at certain fields in the MA nad DA, action is posted to a cluster of screens somewhere on the BBS, think of the furballs people would create in front of the cameras just because of the "look at me factor" , hey I am TV , so to speak :D
HL
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Or party goons, like the AW days, so you could pack a bunch of observers into the goon and circle the fight while you watched and held a running commentary.
Good times.
- oldman
AHH we think alike oldman , my way would be more public and easy to critic :D
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This is an open invitation to folks who are interested primarily in the lost art of ACM and Furballs.
It seems the predominance of speed of the late war plane set has created a culture of non-engagement and serious timidity. The favorite tactic these days is staying high and fast, pulling no more than 3G when engaging and then running off if the prey shows any semblance of skill in fighting at a disadvantage.
Engagements lack the edge of your seat excitement of a furball circa 2003.
The best times I've had in AH since returning are the times when the LWMA is closed and people fly in Midwar. The planes are slower, slightly less lethal, and this leads to more interesting fights.
So I invite more players to come experience the Midwar arena during peak hours. Give up your P51Ds, 109K4s, La7s, Doras and jump into the fray.
Let me translate: WAH, WAH, WAH!!!! I want 2003 back.
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I used to regularly fly in the MW arena for many years because I've always felt it had the best plane matchups and you were able to find some good quality fights but that has changed over the years and it's just become a mini-LW arena. Last time I was in there a few months ago, players were more focused on hording undefended bases than fighting. There was one squadron, (a FA refugee squad) that would do anything they could to avoid any sort of fight unless they had overwhelming numbers against the sole bandit. Another squadron would hord undefended bases and then leave if defenders started to up and would move on to the next undefended base. It grew quite tiresome.
ack-ack
Let me translate: I like midwar cuz the P-38 is easy mode there.
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Are you a online forum English to English translator for a living or are you practicing for the day? :D
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Let me translate: I like midwar cuz the P-38 is easy mode there.
P-38J isn't easy mode there at all, just like its not in the LW arena. The plane set in the MW arena has the best plane match up with all planes being competitive against each other. The only stand outs would probably be the Spitfire VIII and the Typhoon.
ack-ack
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I don't mind it when people in faster planes run from turny planes when they get in trouble, its when they turn back around once one of there friends engage you that bugs me. If your going to run stay out when your buddy tries to do what you couldn't do!
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Fat chance.
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Let me translate: WAH, WAH, WAH!!!! I want 2003 back.
Let me translate: I like midwar cuz the P-38 is easy mode there.
sounds like Sunbat has a problem with midwar...is it can't compete or don't like getting spanked?
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sounds like Sunbat has a problem with midwar...is it can't compete or don't like getting spanked?
More like badly trolling.
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More like badly trolling.
i thought Sunsfan did that...
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I used to regularly fly in the MW arena for many years because I've always felt it had the best plane matchups and you were able to find some good quality fights but that has changed over the years and it's just become a mini-LW arena. Last time I was in there a few months ago, players were more focused on hording undefended bases than fighting. There was one squadron, (a FA refugee squad) that would do anything they could to avoid any sort of fight unless they had overwhelming numbers against the sole bandit. Another squadron would hord undefended bases and then leave if defenders started to up and would move on to the next undefended base. It grew quite tiresome.
ack-ack
Who exactly are you referring to???
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I don't mind the fast planes using their speed. It's what fast planes do, use your advantages. The thing that kind of bugs me is (like earlier today) when I'm at an enemy base alone, there are 2,3, maybe even 5 bad guys in the air.... but none of them want to leave their ack. You have me out numbered!! I DO NOT CARE if you bring all 5 of your planes to attack me all at once. Why hide in the ack when you have such a numerical advantage!!? That's really the only thing that bugs me about other people play styles. Other than that I do not mind how you fly your plane.
It's times like that that I wish there was a code in the game where if you are airborne but have been circling your own base for 2 minutes (ack hugging) then you get a message in the text buffer saying "Cowards and Traitors will be shot!" and your own base ack starts shooting you.
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I don't mind the fast planes using their speed. It's what fast planes do, use your advantages. The thing that kind of bugs me is (like earlier today) when I'm at an enemy base alone, there are 2,3, maybe even 5 bad guys in the air.... but none of them want to leave their ack. You have me out numbered!! I DO NOT CARE if you bring all 5 of your planes to attack me all at once. Why hide in the ack when you have such a numerical advantage!!? That's really the only thing that bugs me about other people play styles. Other than that I do not mind how you fly your plane.
It's times like that that I wish there was a code in the game where if you are airborne but have been circling your own base for 2 minutes (ack hugging) then you get a message in the text buffer saying "Cowards and Traitors will be shot!" and your own base ack starts shooting you.
If you are the sole plane at cruise speed that has alt over the lot, numerical advantage doesn't mean much unless you're prone to being suckered into a low and slow fight. Each one of those fighters that enjoy the huge advantage of numbers are likely low and slow and plump picking outside of their ack. That's 2, 3 or 5 easy kills. After some time there may have been a chance that one of them reached cruise speed and was co-alt. Did you bring enough fuel and patience for that possibility, oh 'look how scared they are of me?' Other than that, why didn't you zoom through that ack and nail 1,2,3,4 or 5 of them? You may have gotten lucky. :D
P.S. If ya really want to blame someone, blame HT. There must have been a reason he modeled base ack like, I don't know, at least a small measure of vulch suppression? (And, really now, when has it really stopped that, entirely?) :P :aok
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If you are the sole plane at cruise speed that has alt over the lot, numerical advantage doesn't mean much unless you're prone to being suckered into a low and slow fight. Each one of those fighters that enjoy the huge advantage of numbers are likely low and slow and plump picking outside of their ack. That's 2, 3 or 5 easy kills. After some time there may have been a chance that one of them reached cruise speed and was co-alt. Did you bring enough fuel and patience for that possibility, oh 'look how scared they are of me?' Other than that, why didn't you zoom through that ack and nail 1,2,3,4 or 5 of them? You may have gotten lucky. :D
P.S. If ya really want to blame someone, blame HT. There must have been a reason he modeled base ack like, I don't know, at least a small measure of vulch suppression? (And, really now, when has it really stopped that, entirely?) :P :aok
If you've seen me fly, you know I don't fly with alt. You can usually find me at 1,000ft in most furballs. When I got to their base I was at 5K since I had just finished chasing a 190D around, but since none of them were leaving the ack I dropped down to 500ft to try and convince them to leave the ack. Some of them started to come out when I showed them my 6, but the second I started to turn they all turned around and went back to the ack. They could have easily of won the fight but they chose not to, and that bugs me when people don't take such a perfect opportunity to improve their skills.
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i thought Sunsfan did that...
He tries his best! But... We know what that means
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If you are the sole plane at cruise speed that has alt over the lot, numerical advantage doesn't mean much unless you're prone to being suckered into a low and slow fight. Each one of those fighters that enjoy the huge advantage of numbers are likely low and slow and plump picking outside of their ack. That's 2, 3 or 5 easy kills. After some time there may have been a chance that one of them reached cruise speed and was co-alt. Did you bring enough fuel and patience for that possibility, oh 'look how scared they are of me?' Other than that, why didn't you zoom through that ack and nail 1,2,3,4 or 5 of them? You may have gotten lucky. :D
P.S. If ya really want to blame someone, blame HT. There must have been a reason he modeled base ack like, I don't know, at least a small measure of vulch suppression? (And, really now, when has it really stopped that, entirely?) :P :aok
You have never seen Latrobe fly, have you?
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this pretty much sums up what i think of you people arguing about HOs
http://youtu.be/UjrnhkBHZvw
While I tend to agree with you Nath.
I think this is slightly more representative!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWYzUaiBqzs
:salute
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You guys letting something get to you? I don't think I've ever seen sunsfan troll on this bbs... Would be happy to admit i'm wrong..
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You have never seen Latrobe fly, have you?
Actually, likely I have but it didn't leave such an indelible impression that it caused me to read what he posted
as anything other than what he described. Gawsh, those 5 or so guys upping from a base and attempting to
grab at 150 ias should have all made a bee-line for the enemy plane that dove down to 500 ft, building a lot of smash.
Yaknow, if 'game bravery' is the point being made, brave the ack and get a few more kills.
Game bravery is the point of his post, right? SA appreciation ain't it, evidently. :) :salute
There needs to be a smiley with it's chest puffed out. ;)
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You guys letting something get to you? I don't think I've ever seen sunsfan troll on this bbs... Would be happy to admit i'm wrong..
But he is a damn fine forum English to English translator since it wasn't a case of bad trolling and all. :)
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D'oh -- I can't get a link to work for a witty post I was going to make. Alas. I will have to try it some other way.
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(http://farm1.staticflickr.com/176/454648345_1e42788afd_z.jpg)
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Actually, likely I have but it didn't leave such an indelible impression that it caused me to read what he posted
as anything other than what he described. Gawsh, those 5 or so guys upping from a base and attempting to
grab at 150 ias should have all made a bee-line for the enemy plane that dove down to 500 ft, building a lot of smash.
Yaknow, if 'game bravery' is the point being made, brave the ack and get a few more kills.
Game bravery is the point of his post, right? SA appreciation ain't it, evidently. :) :salute
There needs to be a smiley with it's chest puffed out. ;)
You have no idea what you're talking about do you?
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i thought Sunsfan did that...
Try not to think so much.
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You have no idea what you're talking about do you?
Well, one of us doesn't, that's for sure. :lol
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But he is a damn fine forum English to English translator since it wasn't a case of bad trolling and all. :)
that would be SunBat.. NOT sunsfan.. and hes translation was pretty damn funny I thought.. Get it right Arlo, I expect better!
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that would be SunBat.. NOT sunsfan.. and hes translation was pretty damn funny I thought.. Get it right Arlo, I expect better!
Translation: Non plaudite. Modo pecuniam jacite :D
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Watch your mouth.
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Watch your mouth.
Mea culpa (My bad)
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Well, one of us doesn't, that's for sure. :lol
Latrobe flies just as he described. Your little panty ruffle was completely out of context and absolutely counter to everything I've ever seen from him.
Posting too much and flying too little. Yeah, I admit it. :(
Take your own advice. Thanks in advance. :aok
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Latrobe flies just as he described. Your little panty ruffle was completely out of context and absolutely counter to everything I've ever seen from him.
Well, I didn't say Latrobe doesn't fly just as he describes. Matter of fact, I pretty much repeated what he posted. I have no problem
with Latrobe's flying what-so-ever. He even sounds like the kinda player I can really enjoy flying with.
But, speaking of panty-ruffle .... Latrobe was having one. I mean, I'm glad that's the supposed
extent of it and all but I'm just not a whine-enabler. Never have been. You may want to consider it. But I will say he's not anywhere
close to the worst of the lot.
Ding dang pilots upping and circling in the safety of their ack which is too insurmountable an obstacle, them skeerdy pants. :D
No offense. :)
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If you've seen me fly, you know I don't fly with alt. You can usually find me at 1,000ft in most furballs. When I got to their base I was at 5K since I had just finished chasing a 190D around, but since none of them were leaving the ack I dropped down to 500ft to try and convince them to leave the ack. Some of them started to come out when I showed them my 6, but the second I started to turn they all turned around and went back to the ack. They could have easily of won the fight but they chose not to, and that bugs me when people don't take such a perfect opportunity to improve their skills.
They saw that yellow nose on your 109F, that's why they didn't come out to play :lol
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They saw that yellow nose on your 109F, that's why they didn't come out to play :lol
Yellow noses. That'll do it every time. :D
(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j320/roobabes/My%20Forza%204%20photos/SD4FUa.jpg)
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Well, I didn't say Latrobe doesn't fly just as he describes. Matter of fact, I pretty much repeated what he posted. I have no problem
with Latrobe's flying what-so-ever. He even sounds like the kinda player I can really enjoy flying with.
But, speaking of panty-ruffle .... Latrobe was having one. I mean, I'm glad that's the supposed
extent of it and all but I'm just not a whine-enabler. Never have been. You may want to consider it. But I will say he's not anywhere
close to the worst of the lot.
Ding dang pilots upping and circling in the safety of their ack which is too insurmountable an obstacle, them skeerdy pants. :D
No offense. :)
No. You're apparently a little sore in the head from the HO shots you couldn't avoid, so you choose to become the moral authority of the BBS by claiming he can't value a fight, any fight, over multiple cons ack hugging in the MA. To that end, you claim he's chest thumping and claiming bravery when in fact, he's responding to the OP.
This is the OP.
This is an open invitation to folks who are interested primarily in the lost art of ACM and Furballs.
It seems the predominance of speed of the late war plane set has created a culture of non-engagement and serious timidity. The favorite tactic these days is staying high and fast, pulling no more than 3G when engaging and then running off if the prey shows any semblance of skill in fighting at a disadvantage.
Engagements lack the edge of your seat excitement of a furball circa 2003.
The best times I've had in AH since returning are the times when the LWMA is closed and people fly in Midwar. The planes are slower, slightly less lethal, and this leads to more interesting fights.
So I invite more players to come experience the Midwar arena during peak hours. Give up your P51Ds, 109K4s, La7s, Doras and jump into the fray.
It would seem to me that Latrobe is responding to the OP (especially the bolded, underlined, and italicized part) and not just taking the opportunity to whine about ack or passively brag.
I don't mind the fast planes using their speed. It's what fast planes do, use your advantages. The thing that kind of bugs me is (like earlier today) when I'm at an enemy base alone, there are 2,3, maybe even 5 bad guys in the air.... but none of them want to leave their ack. You have me out numbered!! I DO NOT CARE if you bring all 5 of your planes to attack me all at once. Why hide in the ack when you have such a numerical advantage!!? That's really the only thing that bugs me about other people play styles. Other than that I do not mind how you fly your plane.
It's times like that that I wish there was a code in the game where if you are airborne but have been circling your own base for 2 minutes (ack hugging) then you get a message in the text buffer saying "Cowards and Traitors will be shot!" and your own base ack starts shooting you.
Your weird response:
If you are the sole plane at cruise speed that has alt over the lot, numerical advantage doesn't mean much unless you're prone to being suckered into a low and slow fight. Each one of those fighters that enjoy the huge advantage of numbers are likely low and slow and plump picking outside of their ack. That's 2, 3 or 5 easy kills. After some time there may have been a chance that one of them reached cruise speed and was co-alt. Did you bring enough fuel and patience for that possibility, oh 'look how scared they are of me?' Other than that, why didn't you zoom through that ack and nail 1,2,3,4 or 5 of them? You may have gotten lucky. :D
P.S. If ya really want to blame someone, blame HT. There must have been a reason he modeled base ack like, I don't know, at least a small measure of vulch suppression? (And, really now, when has it really stopped that, entirely?) :P :aok
He doesn't want to vulch, dude. He doesn't want to come on the BBS and tell you how awesome he is. He wants to fight. When people don't come out to fight even when they have numerical advantage (don't even start with your county fair guessing of their IAS. E isn't locked away in a magical vault), that sucks to him. Pretty simple, no?
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No. You're apparently a little sore in the head from the HO shots you couldn't avoid, so you choose to become the moral authority of the BBS by claiming he can't value a fight, any fight, over multiple cons ack hugging in the MA. To that end, you claim he's chest thumping and claiming bravery when in fact, he's responding to the OP.
He doesn't want to vulch, dude. He doesn't want to come on the BBS and tell you how awesome he is. He wants to fight. When people don't come out to fight even when they have numerical advantage (don't even start with your county fair guessing of their IAS. E isn't locked away in a magical vault), that sucks to him. Pretty simple, no?
Funny how you mention 'moral authority' when that's basically what I'm amused about the most. ;)
I'm sorry, 'afraid to come out of ack' ... 'afraid to go into ack' ... 'lack of bravado' ... 'lack of skill' .... meh. I'm sure Latrobe is a great guy and a great stick (he doesn't pwn the game but my stats are taking a beating, themself). Just not seeing his lone critique of 'character weakness' in the game as anymore valid than any other offered up on the altar of 'lets find something useless to complain about.'
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Funny how you mention 'moral authority' when that's basically what I'm amused about the most. ;)
I'm sorry, 'afraid to come out of ack' ... 'afraid to go into ack' ... 'lack of bravado' ... 'lack of skill' .... meh. I'm sure Latrobe is a great guy and a great stick (he doesn't pwn the game but my stats are taking a beating, themself). Just not seeing his lone critique of 'character weakness' in the game as anymore valid than any other offered up on the altar of 'lets find something useless to complain about.'
Just keep hugging ack and posting pics. :aok
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Oh god, what has my post started!!? I apologize if my post sounded like I was chest thumping or stroking my ego while sounding like I'm better than you and this is why you're style is wrong. Honestly I don't care about all that ego stroking stuff and I sure as heck am not better than anyone else.
I'm very much an idiot and not very good with words so I might have worded my post wrong. I might have been furious with myself over some stupid mistake I made when I posted that (I wouldn't remember since my memory is just horrendous, but when I get mad at myself I start acting and sounding even more stupid than normally).
Yes, I do get a "panty-ruffled" from people who refuse to fight even after I hand them every advantage in the book, but not because they're running away from me and I can't get a kill now. I don't care if I go a whole tour without a kill. I get upset with them because they had the options to A: Use their advantages to win the fight, or B: Throw every advantage away and die... and they always choose option B. The number of times I've seen someone come diving in on me, miss their shot, and then just throw away all that alt and speed advantage they have... I have tried to understand the thinking behind what they do and the only conclusion I can come to is "I missed my shot, I don't want to learn how fight and improve myself so I'll just throw away all my advantages and let this guy kill me." Granted, there are those players who are just new and don't know what to do, but some of them actually try to fight back and learn where things went wrong. To the ones who just hit the deck and fly straight and level, you'd think me being 400 off their 6 pumping rounds into them is a pretty big indicator that this straight and level thing isn't working. Perhaps try something different?
Again, I don't care that they ran away to protect their score or plane, it's the not wanting to get better part that frustrates me. Some of the people who die this way I've seen complain on 200 or the BBS about how dweeby or cheaty other people are because they got reversed and shot down. You have the option to get better, so take it! Learn how to use your advantages, learn what to do when you miss your shot, and then go shoot down all the red planes!
Apology if this sounds exactly the same as before and starts more useless arguments. I failed English and Writing in school. It's just my thoughts on the matter.
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Your first post was fine. Arlo just wants to argue on the internet.
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Oh god, what has my post started!!?
You've upset Arlo you egomaniac!
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Apology if this sounds exactly the same as before and starts more useless arguments. I failed English and Writing in school. It's just my thoughts on the matter.
Your post was fine Latrobe. :salute
Arlo, Triton... Carry on.
(http://www.reocities.com/augusta/2023/thesimpsons/itchy.gif)
:P
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You've upset Arlo you egomaniac!
Correction. Super-egomaniac (arguing with the typical Idmaniac personality with egomaniacs in the middle), if you please. ;)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Id,_ego,_and_super-ego
(Alternately, it could be perceived as a clash of Super-egos.) :)
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I apologize if my post sounded like I was chest thumping or stroking my ego .....
No need. When I said I wish I had a 'puffy-chest' smiley it was for me. My apologies if you thought otherwise. :D
Again, I think you're a right stand-up guy and a decent stick. I just think the frustration that drove you to posting
is misplaced. If you also chopped throttle to assure equal e-state as you dove down from 5k to 500 ft, thereby
giving the 5 pilots you claimed you saw circling in their ack 'every advantage' to be taught how to dogfight in the game
by you .... you still wouldn't know each of those pilot's situations until you watched the film later (maybe not even
then since film may not be able to reflect it all, accurately). From what I heard one pilot ventured out tentatively then
ran like a frightened girl when it was obvious you were paying attention. Here's some thoughts. Pilot two was PWed from
a previous engagement and all he was trying to do was stay conscious enough to land. Pilot three was winchester and,
like two, was waiting until the threat allowed him to land. Pilot four was bingo, with a similar situation. Pilot five just took
off and presumed you didn't throttle back to give him every advantage.
Neither of our versions are verifiable. In your place, I generally fly off to better potential hunting grounds and likely forget
what happened there within minutes. I certainly don't bring it to the forum to vent frustration.
That's all I'm saying and apparently it's a hard read for some. But I'm giving you the BOTD to recognize how easy one
can put whatever picture they want to on an event or situation, and what role we can let frustration play in that. :salute :)
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I thought it was fine, especially this part... :D
It's times like that that I wish there was a code in the game where if you are airborne but have been circling your own base for 2 minutes (ack hugging) then you get a message in the text buffer saying "Cowards and Traitors will be shot!" and your own base ack starts shooting you.
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I thought it was fine, especially this part... :D
Until that part becomes a nuisance. :) :salute
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Oh here he is again..
Go be 'you' somewhere else Arlo
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I remember when I started aces high we could have consensual furballs low on these fields that could last for hours...
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DA. Give me a 410/190/110. You try to evade it. Bet you you can't.
We run this test a while back with bighorn in the DA. Same alt merge, 1 vs 1 fight, I would try to ho at the merge and he would try to avoid and get and advantage from my ho attempt. As expected, the HOer had a slight advantage after the merge. The reason was that my ho would force him to turn early anabling me to get a better position.
So, slight advantage given his skill and the fact that he expected it. Now imagin some one average, slow, and already engaged. Saying that avoiding the ho is easy or that it takes 2 too ho just shows how little one understands the game.
As for the game play, it has always been like this. When I was a bigginer our co then would call in ho strikes if he was rtb with kills and someone was chasing him. We always horded undeffended bases and left if the vulch did not succeed. Humans want to win and if you are a bigginer, the only way is to join the horde or point your plane at another and fire. If HT changes the capture system or the ho they will be out of business.
The problem with getting out of that mode and learning how to fight are squads and training. I got out of when I took and arse wooping from a lone slow spit one day. It was slapshot. After that, I made it a point not to get destroyed like that again. I had to leave the squad though because they were only interested in buildings.
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We run this test a while back with bighorn in the DA. Same alt merge, 1 vs 1 fight, I would try to ho at the merge and he would try to avoid and get and advantage from my ho attempt. As expected, the HOer had a slight advantage after the merge. The reason was that my ho would force him to turn early anabling me to get a better position.
So, slight advantage given his skill and the fact that he expected it. Now imagin some one average, slow, and already engaged. Saying that avoiding the ho is easy or that it takes 2 too ho just shows how little one understands the game.
As for the game play, it has always been like this. When I was a bigginer our co then would call in ho strikes if he was rtb with kills and someone was chasing him. We always horded undeffended bases and left if the vulch did not succeed. Humans want to win and if you are a bigginer, the only way is to join the horde or point your plane at another and fire. If HT changes the capture system or the ho they will be out of business.
The problem with getting out of that mode and learning how to fight are squads and training. I got out of when I took and arse wooping from a lone slow spit one day. It was slapshot. After that, I made it a point not to get destroyed like that again. I had to leave the squad though because they were only interested in buildings.
+1
Please don't show Arlo this. He will argue about it. Just sayin.
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We run this test a while back with bighorn in the DA. Same alt merge, 1 vs 1 fight, I would try to ho at the merge and he would try to avoid and get and advantage from my ho attempt. As expected, the HOer had a slight advantage after the merge. The reason was that my ho would force him to turn early anabling me to get a better position.
What aircraft were you using during this test? Generally, lateral separation at the merge tends to favor the aircraft with the better ability to maneuver.
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Please don't show Arlo this. He will argue about it. Just sayin.
Apparently I'm on your mind today. That's a bit disconcerting. :lol
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Apparently I'm on your mind today. That's a bit disconcerting. :lol
Actually, I was reading Triton, Dedalos, Titanic3 and a few others that named you internet-arguer-extraodinaire and I thought it fitting to warn him. Watching you argue with them reminded me. See? You don't know everything, lol. So cheer up little fella. No need for discontentment.
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Actually, I was reading Triton, Dedalos, Titanic3 and a few others that named you internet-arguer-extraodinaire and I thought it fitting to warn him. Watching you argue with them reminded me. See? You don't know everything, lol. So cheer up little fella. No need for discontentment.
I thought arguments took place in English, not in pictures. I recently had to learn "pic" because he can't understand English.
It was IRONIC
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I thought arguments took place in English, not in pictures. I recently had to learn "pic" because he can't understand English.
It was IRONIC
LMAO! I wasn't going to go there yet. I was waiting to see what pic he posted in response.
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Actually, I was reading Triton, Dedalos, Titanic3 and a
few others that named you internet-arguer-extraodinaire and I thought it fitting to warn him. Watching you argue with them reminded me. See? You don't know everything, lol. So cheer up little fella. No need for discontentment.
The word was 'disconcerting' which means something else, entirely.
Huh. And you can't get enough so you invoke reality by faith? You're a tad off kilter, yaknow. :D
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The word was 'disconcerting' which means something else, entirely.
Huh. And you can't get enough so you invoke reality by faith? You're a tad off kilter, yaknow. :D
No Pic? lol
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What aircraft were you using during this test? Generally, lateral separation at the merge tends to favor the aircraft with the better ability to maneuver.
Same planes
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We run this test a while back with bighorn in the DA. Same alt merge, 1 vs 1 fight, I would try to ho at the merge and he would try to avoid and get and advantage from my ho attempt. As expected, the HOer had a slight advantage after the merge. The reason was that my ho would force him to turn early anabling me to get a better position.
So, slight advantage given his skill and the fact that he expected it. Now imagin some one average, slow, and already engaged. Saying that avoiding the ho is easy or that it takes 2 too ho just shows how little one understands the game.
As for the game play, it has always been like this. When I was a bigginer our co then would call in ho strikes if he was rtb with kills and someone was chasing him. We always horded undeffended bases and left if the vulch did not succeed. Humans want to win and if you are a bigginer, the only way is to join the horde or point your plane at another and fire. If HT changes the capture system or the ho they will be out of business.
The problem with getting out of that mode and learning how to fight are squads and training. I got out of when I took and arse wooping from a lone slow spit one day. It was slapshot. After that, I made it a point not to get destroyed like that again. I had to leave the squad though because they were only interested in buildings.
Ded,
This is interesting,first that you even remember it but could you explain the advantage that the Ho'er has after the merge? I've always thought I could get the Ho;er to be at a disadvantage by using a lead turn just after the Ho attempt.
Both you and Big are IMHO some of the best,so I'm really curious to hear how it all played out.
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Ded,
This is interesting,first that you even remember it but could you explain the advantage that the Ho'er has after the merge? I've always thought I could get the Ho;er to be at a disadvantage by using a lead turn just after the Ho attempt.
Both you and Big are IMHO some of the best,so I'm really curious to hear how it all played out.
:salute
I think what a lot of people are witnessing is that they win the fight after a HO attempt and they assume that it was because the HOer somehow got at a disadvantage. From my experience, what is really happening is that you met a guy that really has nothing more to put into the fight other that that HO shot. You would have won the fight no matter what they did.
Here is where we saw the advantages. Assuming the HOer does know how to fight and is not a new guy:
1) What ever your plan of engagement was, it is now gone. He now has the initiative and he obviously does not care about getting shot in the face so you have to focus on avoiding instead of planing your attack. Depending on the plane that can be huge. If a 110 opens up at 1K out your instinct is to avoid first and position second.
2) As you pull away, you could take hits. That will either break your concentration or remove a part or two from your plane.
3) The most important one in my opinion. The lead turn you mentioned cannot be too early. If you start your turn too early the bad guy will instantly have position on you. So, if I came in to you guns blazing and you tried to pull a lead turn too early, all I have to do is cut back on throttle a little and watch where you are going. I will be on your six right away.
The thing to remember here is that the HOer has to know what he is doing. A new guy would be dead anyway HO shot or not. However, even the newby will gain something from the HO shot since he at the very list managed to put some lead towards you and could land a hit or two. There are a lot of variables in a fight but if everything was equal and you were fighting against your self, your HOing self would have the upper hand.
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I think what a lot of people are witnessing is that they win the fight after a HO attempt and they assume that it was because the HOer somehow got at a disadvantage. From my experience, what is really happening is that you met a guy that really has nothing more to put into the fight other that that HO shot. You would have won the fight no matter what they did.
Here is where we saw the advantages. Assuming the HOer does know how to fight and is not a new guy:
1) What ever your plan of engagement was, it is now gone. He now has the initiative and he obviously does not care about getting shot in the face so you have to focus on avoiding instead of planing your attack. Depending on the plane that can be huge. If a 110 opens up at 1K out your instinct is to avoid first and position second.
2) As you pull away, you could take hits. That will either break your concentration or remove a part or two from your plane.
3) The most important one in my opinion. The lead turn you mentioned cannot be too early. If you start your turn too early the bad guy will instantly have position on you. So, if I came in to you guns blazing and you tried to pull a lead turn too early, all I have to do is cut back on throttle a little and watch where you are going. I will be on your six right away.
The thing to remember here is that the HOer has to know what he is doing. A new guy would be dead anyway HO shot or not. However, even the newby will gain something from the HO shot since he at the very list managed to put some lead towards you and could land a hit or two. There are a lot of variables in a fight but if everything was equal and you were fighting against your self, your HOing self would have the upper hand.
I see what you're saying here.. but just outta curiosity, were you guys merging on the deck? I can see what you're saying being true that way.. I can't see it true if you have vertical room to move on the merge..
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I see what you're saying here.. but just outta curiosity, were you guys merging on the deck? I can see what you're saying being true that way.. I can't see it true if you have vertical room to move on the merge..
Pretty much what I was thinking! Ded I think the main point is the difference from someone who's only move is to do a head on attack,of course if the player has any idea of what to do I can see exactly what you're saying.
Know Big you guys did every type and possible merge,the man can dissect a knat,even without being able to see it...... :devil Some say he flies by sound alone!
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As Dedalos said, the average MA HOer will mess up its merge simply because they hold the trigger for too long.
In our case (Dedalos and I), HOer always gained an advantage, no matter the separation, because sooner or later you have to start your lead turn, which usually means you turn into an opponent and that will bring you right into his path. If you know other guy will go for HO (as it was in our case) you have to adjust your lead turn timing. You can't go for early one because you get shot, you stick with your normal, you get HOed, if you wait, you're late and at disadvantage. Even if you stick with timing but adjust your turn to be more offset, you'll lose time and with that position/angles for the next one.
Good stick won't hold the trigger until planes pass, he'll just go for brief snapshot HO, which is enough for lucky hit or to force other's guy hand. In each case, HOer gained an advantage.
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Apparently I'm on your mind today. That's a bit disconcerting. :lol
You're all over the thread, why would you not be relevent in a reply?
And I would take anything Dedalos and Bighorn say with a grain of salt. Those two noobs mean well and are nice enough guys, however their skill level is subpar at best. If you really want to learn something just ask me. In my opinon I'm always right.
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^ what slash said, plus one
those guys are noobs
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You're all over the thread, why would you not be relevent in a reply?
And I would take anything Dedalos and Bighorn say with a grain of salt. Those two noobs mean well and are nice enough guys, however their skill level is subpar at best. If you really want to learn something just ask me. In my opinon I'm always right.
Maybe because CU seemed to be channeling strawArlo? :)
Your 2 cents have always been priceless to me, Slash, right or wrong. :P
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Troubling
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Pretty much what I was thinking! Ded I think the main point is the difference from someone who's only move is to do a head on attack,of course if the player has any idea of what to do I can see exactly what you're saying.
Know Big you guys did every type and possible merge,the man can dissect a knat,even without being able to see it...... :devil Some say he flies by sound alone!
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ahhh, so true. The man is so old he cant see so sound would be a good option. However, his hearing is gone also. I think he does it by watching channel 200.
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I see what you're saying here.. but just outta curiosity, were you guys merging on the deck? I can see what you're saying being true that way.. I can't see it true if you have vertical room to move on the merge..
Altitude adds some wiggle room in terms of separation and E differential, but I'm pretty sure it would end the same.
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ahhh, so true. The man is so old he cant see so sound would be a good option. However, his hearing is gone also. I think he does it by watching channel 200.
You're lucky I can't see what you wrote :furious
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I see what you're saying here.. but just outta curiosity, were you guys merging on the deck? I can see what you're saying being true that way.. I can't see it true if you have vertical room to move on the merge..
I think if you start too early, you will be at a disadvantage. Maybe you have found a way to counter it or your skill allows you to get the kill anyway since a small advantage for a newbe does not make a difference.
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You're lucky I can't see what you wrote :furious
pfffft, no luck! That was skillz baby!!!
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pfffft, no luck! That was skillz baby!!!
Can't hear your scribble either.
On another note, if I'd be HOer, I wouldn't really care if my HO shot connects. In fact I'd squeeze one very early, let say 1.2K out, and force you to do your thing very very early. Advantage: HOer, high or low.
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Can't hear your scribble either.
On another note, if I'd be HOer, I wouldn't really care if my HO shot connects. In fact I'd squeeze one very early, let say 1.2K out, and force you to do your thing very very early. Advantage: HOer, high or low.
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I think I finally understand!,maybe..... It would be like a faint with the jab to setup the right cross! Of course you'd want to jab,jab,jab,uppercut and then a left hook to follow up on that right cross!
Been flying by Braile lately,seems to work but what do I know.... :o :neener:
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I think I finally understand!,maybe..... It would be like a faint with the jab to setup the right cross! Of course you'd want to jab,jab,jab,uppercut and then a left hook to follow up on that right cross!
Been flying by Braile lately,seems to work but what do I know.... :o :neener:
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good, maybe you can explain to me how do blind people find the braile signs on the walls in order to read them? I never figured that one out lol
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good, maybe you can explain to me how do blind people find the braile signs on the walls in order to read them? I never figured that one out lol
Echolocation.
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Bighorn uses the force. Once he shot me down and he wasn't even logged in.
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Maybe because CU seemed to be channeling strawArlo? :)
Your 2 cents have always been priceless to me, Slash, right or wrong. :P
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Bighorn uses the force. Once he shot me down and he wasn't even logged in.
did you mean: The Schwartz?
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I don't know Dedalos, I had a pilot wound even after I logged off :eek:
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I don't know Dedalos, I had a pilot wound even after I logged off :eek:
Ahhh, you looked at his face didn't you. Don't do that please. :O
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It is never a problem for me to avoid a HO. Circumstances dictating, I think the player that seeks a HO almost always ends the maneuver without a tactical disadvantage.
The only time I attempt a HO is when I am up shAt creek without a paddle - low energy state, deep in nmy territory, hopelessly outnumbered, no chance of outrunning the nmy(s); etc
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It is never a problem for me to avoid a HO. Circumstances dictating, I think the player that seeks a HO almost always ends the maneuver without a tactical disadvantage.
You are confusing the skill level of the person pulling the HO with the actual HO shot. If you end up with an advantage after that it only means the other guy was clueless.
The only time I attempt a HO is when I am up shAt creek without a paddle - low energy state, deep in nmy territory, hopelessly outnumbered, no chance of outrunning the nmy(s); etc
So, in the MA that would be only about 80% of the time then? lol
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You are confusing the skill level of the person pulling the HO with the actual HO shot. If you end up with an advantage after that it only means the other guy was clueless.
So, in the MA that would be only about 80% of the time then? lol
I'm not confusing anything. Generally speaking, only "less" skilled players attempt HOs at the merge, and in a case I had yesterday, consecutive merges. A skilled player should know better.
If you are losing to a HO in the merge, you are doing it wrong.
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I'm not confusing anything. Generally speaking, only "less" skilled players attempt HOs at the merge, and in a case I had yesterday, consecutive merges. A skilled player should know better.
If you are losing to a HO in the merge, you are doing it wrong.
That's not what he was saying. Dedalos point is that if all other things being equal, HOer will have a slight advantage. This is true.
And nothing precludes skilled player to utilize the head on shot to gain an advantage. That said, skilled players rarely attempt it, firstly because of HO reputation, secondly because of closure rates and front aspect being very small target and because the opponent may shoot as well. Additionally you may mess merge timing due to paying too much attention to the shot itself.
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Cannot remember the last time a player straight up killed me on a HO/ attempted HO or even properly connected with me, I die more from rad hits on a HO but I always merge a lot lower than most people.
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good, maybe you can explain to me how do blind people find the braile signs on the walls in order to read them? I never figured that one out lol
Well it's similar to the yellow pages,you let your fingers do the walking! :devil
I use a seeing eye gerbil the only problem is differentiating the braille from his droppings...... :devil Sounds familiar doesn't it!
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I'm not confusing anything. Generally speaking, only "less" skilled players attempt HOs at the merge, and in a case I had yesterday, consecutive merges. A skilled player should know better.
If you are losing to a HO in the merge, you are doing it wrong.
I think you missed my point.
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Well it's similar to the yellow pages,you let your fingers do the walking! :devil
explain the braille on drive up atm's and the bank drive up teller machines... :lol
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explain the braille on drive up atm's and the bank drive up teller machines... :lol
Those can be used for walk up customers. As long as they see the cars
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explain the braille on drive up atm's and the bank drive up teller machines... :lol
Smart cars!
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