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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: Postman on July 10, 2013, 09:04:53 PM
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So my old :old: faithful Sidewinder Precision 2 just soiled the bedsheets. Looking at several replacement options and need opinions since I don't have the $$ for a Hotas Warthog. Here's the Options listed by Most likely buying-
1. Hotas X Flight Stick- http://www.gamestop.com/accessories/hotas-x-flight-stick/95660
2. Thrustmaster - T-Flight Stick X- http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Thrustmaster+-+T-Flight+Stick+X+for+PlayStation+3+and+Windows/1306360447.p?id=mp1306360447&skuId=1306360447
3. Cyborg X Joystick- http://www.gamestop.com/pc/accessories/cyborg-x-joystick/77761#media
Any positive input is appreciated :salute
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i had a cyborg x stick...lasted a year then went to poop. i now have a t-flight hotas x, going on 3 years now, and the only thing giving me any issue is the hat switch but it's a minor issue. the hotas x has a lot of buttons, it's heavy duty and it has stood up to some abuse. i like the throttle and i used the rocker switch for rudder instead of using the twisty.
you can get it cheaper at walmart or amazon...
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get a ch fighterstick. I only had to calibrate it twice today. I never had this many problems when I had my x-52.
semp
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get a ch fighterstick. I only had to calibrate it twice today. I never had this many problems when I had my x-52.
semp
You running Windows 7 or 8?
ack-ack
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In that price range I have been using the HotasX and still like it a lot. I suppose the T-Flight stick is the right hand variation of the same, so why not take the two hand system for almost the same price.
If you want a quality one hand stick, the Thrustmaster T-16000M is a good choice still fitting in the price category: http://www.bestbuy.com/site/T-16000M+Flight+Stick+for+Windows/5960033.p?id=1218707954611&skuId=5960033&st=t16000m&cp=1&lp=1 (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/T-16000M+Flight+Stick+for+Windows/5960033.p?id=1218707954611&skuId=5960033&st=t16000m&cp=1&lp=1)
Many former Sidewinder users have bought that after their old faithful has died.
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You running Windows 7 or 8?
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win7. going over 2 different mobo's and 2 sticks. 3 if you count the one I returned after two days. one of the squadies instructed me on how to clean the inside and make sure all the wires are connected properly but I havent been able to remove 2 screws, they seem kind of tight and I have almost stripped them.
when I lose calibration my airplane has a tendency to go upside down and I get the dreaded "dont move the controls so rapidly". I have crashed into the water so many times that it is rediculos as I am diving on a shalow dive with me trying to level out low on the water.
seriously I never had this many problems with my x-52. I cant even gv as I have to fight the stick to stay on target. same for field guns or ship guns, unless I am on land mode or sea mode. but I suspect this maybe a bug somewhere.
semp
semp
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Had a HOTAS X over a year. Got to where I couldn't hold a steady shot. Went back to Thrustmaster T16000M. Like night and day. I can hold a steady shot.
I'm resigned to the fact that sticks won't last like the Sidewinders did.
I thought Amazon was a good buy.
HONK!
Gooss
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I just got to try out my brother in laws t-16000m tonight. I use all CH products, but after we set his up and tweaked the setting a bit I was very impressed at how steady and smooth the stick is. I'm temped to break my CH so the wife will let me get a new stick :devil
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I'm going to try the Thrustmaster T16000M when my next Saitek stick breaks but my current AV8R has been holding up for a couple of years now and I've still got a new ST290 waiting to be used.
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I've decided to go with the X flight(1st option), Thanks for the input those Sirs :salute
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I've decided to go with the X flight(1st option), Thanks for the input those Sirs :salute
Good choice! Add a pair of pedals for a four limb experiment. If you have an old steering wheel with pedals lying around, you can configure the pedals to work in AH, too.
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I've decided to go with the X flight(1st option), Thanks for the input those Sirs :salute
Hope it works out for you! <S>
I am late for the party, but would/should/could told you a CH Fighterstick is the way to go.
Ammo - out
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Just out of curiosity because I use a sidewinder pre pro, how did yours "die". And in response to what semp posted, CH sticks require calibrating? That sucks because I actually just bid on a ch fighterstick yesterday.
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CH sticks require calibrating? That sucks because I actually just bid on a ch fighterstick yesterday.
You just need to calibrate it once in Windows (using the Control Manager software) after you've connected it to a USB port. Usually, the only time you'll need to recalibrate it in Windows is if you've disconnected it and then plugged it back in.
ack-ack
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When I was using my CH stick (using a Warthog now) running through a Belkin powered hub I only calibrated it once in windows. I used it without a problem for more than six years, used a gameport version before that. I still have the CH as backup in case anything happens to the Warthog.
I will say the t16000 looks good, and people say good things about it, but I have no actual experience with one.
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my ch stick will lose calibration on average about 2 or 3 times every time I play. it is plugged into a self-powered usb. and this is not my first ch stick, it's actually my second with 2 different systems.
semp
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my ch stick will lose calibration on average about 2 or 3 times every time I play. it is plugged into a self-powered usb. and this is not my first ch stick, it's actually my second with 2 different systems.
semp
You seem to have bad luck with CH gear, but if you ask me, it's something most likely with your system causing a conflict somewhere. Anyway, your bad luck is the exception, not the rule with CH gear.
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You seem to have bad luck with CH gear, but if you ask me, it's something most likely with your system causing a conflict somewhere. Anyway, your bad luck is the exception, not the rule with CH gear.
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nope, two different systems 2, actually 3 ch fightersticks and I cant gv at all. the stick just moves all over the place. ch gear has just as many problems as any other, reason you dont see it as much as that not as many people have it. I have had so many "dont turn controls so rapidly" messages that it is ridiculous.
semp
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nope, two different systems 2, actually 3 ch fightersticks and I cant gv at all. the stick just moves all over the place. ch gear has just as many problems as any other, reason you dont see it as much as that not as many people have it. I have had so many "dont turn controls so rapidly" messages that it is ridiculous.
semp
I would say you are the exception. I know of several other players that have been using CH gear for ten years or more. The only reason I'm not still using my CH gear is because I wanted a Warthog. I still have the CH stuff and it still works fine. Really the only complaint I had with the CH stuff was that the rudder pedals are too close together, and the right toe brake quit working, and I could live with both those issues. Other than that I have no complaints.
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I agree, your the exception. I have had mine set up for years with out ever recalibrating it.
Oh and AKAK may really know what he's talking about. He use to work for CH Products. :D
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I would say you are the exception. I know of several other players that have been using CH gear for ten years or more. The only reason I'm not still using my CH gear is because I wanted a Warthog. I still have the CH stuff and it still works fine. Really the only complaint I had with the CH stuff was that the rudder pedals are too close together, and the right toe brake quit working, and I could live with both those issues. Other than that I have no complaints.
right the older ch gear was reliable as heck. but mine is only a 3 years old. well the last stick is only 2.
semp
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right the older ch gear was reliable as heck. but mine is only a 3 years old. well the last stick is only 2.
semp
That's very well possible as it appears that CH is no longer a privately owned company but is now part of a large conglomeration.
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Honestly I'd avoid LogicTech like the plague in everything you buy. Their support almost defies logic in any sense. Ive spent a lot of money on their products. Mice, keyboards, game boards, and a new G27 racing set up. Well one of the little plastic feet on my keyboard broke so I E-mailed and called them for a replacement. They said they didnt make that board anymore so they couldnt replace the plastic foot. I found that odd, I mean why wouldnt a company stockpile such a cheap replacement part that is always breaking?
So they sent me a new G510. Now I have rudders that only worked on the USB inputs on my old board and not on any other, or Hubs. So my G510 arrived and guess what? No USB inputs. So the new board went in the drawer and I had to continue to use the one foot old one.
Then I bought a new Hub and my rudders started working on it and I broke out the new G510 they sent me. Guess what happened? One little plastic foot broke off. Once again I tried getting a replacement foot, this time for a board they still made, and they told me the little feet arent available for sale or replacement. All this for a little piece of plastic that must cost them 2 cents.
They must be insane. To lose a loyal customer over a little keyboard plastic foot. Do yourself a favor and dont ever buy anything from this bunch.
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I've bought about 10 CH Products flightsticks over the past 20 years, for myself and to give as gifts to friends or family that I set up from time to time to play AH.
I've never had any problem whatsoever with calibration drift, and they have all been very sturdy and lasted a very long time. My current one is about 10 years old, I think.
I don't use any software (just plug them in to a powered hub), and I don't use Windows calibration at all (just use AH calibration). I don't know if that is any contributing factor to my lack of any trouble.
Semp, you probably are already careful of this, but you don't use the trim wheels (or brush against them while using the stick) do you?
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LOL yeah the trim wheels are the devil. :devil
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One way to make sure would be to put a piece of duck tape or electrical tape over each wheel and see if calibration drift disappears.
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One way to make sure would be to put a piece of duck tape or electrical tape over each wheel and see if calibration drift disappears.
I actually put tape over them so I wouldn't accidentally bump them.
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mine are taped.
semp
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mine are taped.
semp
OK, maybe try crazy gluing them so that they don't move? I'd probably try it in your situation, as it's really weird if the calibration is drifting around.
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Instead of Crazy I'd use Hot glue. It'd fill the gap more effectively and might be scratched off if needed.
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will try it.
semp
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OK, maybe try crazy gluing them so that they don't move? I'd probably try it in your situation, as it's really weird if the calibration is drifting around.
I wouldn't glue the trim dials on the joystick, just use a small strip of duct tape over the dials to keep them from moving. If you glue the dials, you'll screw yourself royally if you'll need to make any adjustments for whatever reasons.
ack-ack
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how did the T16000 experimentation go? I wish it had the buttons and hat of a CH, or a CH with the T16000's sensors...
As a sidenote digital joysticks like the T16000 don't need calibration, ever :D
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Keep the talk up guys. Am thinking of buying a 1600. My old logitech 3D Pro getting long in the tooth. It has done fine service though at a great price.
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how did the T16000 experimentation go? I wish it had the buttons and hat of a CH, or a CH with the T16000's sensors...
As a sidenote digital joysticks like the T16000 don't need calibration, ever :D
Other than initial calibration I never had to calibrate my CH stick.
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Other than initial calibration I never had to calibrate my CH stick.
after 3 years mine started to not center properly :cry
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Other than initial calibration I never had to calibrate my CH stick.
on a good day I calibrate my stick once a day. and if I go on gvs then again.
semp
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on a good day I calibrate my stick once a day. and if I go on gvs then again.
semp
Something is horribly, horribly wrong there.
And by that I mean, something other than 'bad stick'. Although from your previous posts, I can't say where to begin, things seem like you've been doing it right.
Wiley.
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on a good day I calibrate my stick once a day. and if I go on gvs then again.
semp
Have you tried other brands of sticks? I'm just curious, as you seem to be the only person I see here that has this issue to the degree that you do with CH sticks. Most seem to have very stable sticks that work solidly for many years. Again I did buy my CH stick before they were bought out so I can't speak of the present quality, I do know I can take my fighter stick out of storage, plug it in, calibrate it, and it's good to go.
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Have you tried other brands of sticks? I'm just curious, as you seem to be the only person I see here that has this issue to the degree that you do with CH sticks. Most seem to have very stable sticks that work solidly for many years. Again I did buy my CH stick before they were bought out so I can't speak of the present quality, I do know I can take my fighter stick out of storage, plug it in, calibrate it, and it's good to go.
actually more people have it,they just don't post it here. the ones with stable sticks go back a couple of years before me.
semp
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Keep the talk up guys. Am thinking of buying a 1600. My old logitech 3D Pro getting long in the tooth. It has done fine service though at a great price.
I have CH stuff and have no trouble with calibration. Haven't touched mine in a lonnnnnnng time.
My brother in law just got a T16000 and I helped him set it up. I love how smooth it is. I still get a bit of nose bounce.... mostly due to excitement when fighting with my CH stuff, but his stick is very smooth.
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my CH stuff is about 5-6 yrs old and still works well. I was using an x45 throttle because im a trim wheel addict but it died so Ive got an old x52 throttle with two trim wheels that work well.
Ive been wanting to get a warthog stick but am not sure its quality made like CH gear even though its way over priced.
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I've also had/have two Ch sticks. Both were spiking/drifting out of the box. Tried all the well documented fixes to no avail. That, plus the poor ergonomics always led me back to the X52 ( which has it's own issues ).
Now, I use a MSSW2 FFB with an X52 handle grafted onto it. Currently modding a Suncom Talon grip to fit the Sidewinder base.
Point is that no product is %100 failsafe. Some people get a lemon on occasion, even from well reputed manufacturers. Joysticks are like cars in more ways than one.
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Gewehr, I'm curious as to how new your CH sticks are?
Fester, I will say that the Warthog is impressive in it's feel and appearance, but I'm not willing to say that it is worth the money. Especially if you have a CH set up that is functioning well.
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Sik,
First one was purchased circa 2005-ish. I got the second one within the last 24 months anyway. Both had the exact same issues. Never had any issues with the pro throttle ( which I still have) or peds ( which I sold to a fellow AHer ).
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Gewer, thanks for your response.