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Title: 109E3 inclusion
Post by: LCADolby on July 11, 2013, 06:26:39 PM
My dream of a 109E3 in AcesHigh.

(http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/photos/7/4/5/1450547.jpg)

(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2101/2267085617_01305dc6da.jpg)

(http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/middle/9/1/1/1094119.jpg)

(http://www.asisbiz.com/il2/Bf-109E/Messerschmitt-Bf-109E/images/Bf-109E3-Yellow-2-canopy-profile-showing-rearview-mirror%20assembly-01.jpg)

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-PSNC331iIcs/TnJVs_DqBXI/AAAAAAAAAZE/BXS1dbNp_I4/s1600/bf-109+canopy+copy.jpg)
for more on the Swiss E3; http://toniosky7.blogspot.co.uk/2011/09/messerschmitt-bf-109-e3-walkaround.html

(http://achileus.cz/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/bf109_cockpit_photo1.jpg)


(http://cloud-2.steampowered.com/ugc/1119426502578725852/9960FBC2B51ED2C88E3F20A423A5E38ECBAED67C/)
(http://cloud-2.steampowered.com/ugc/1119426502578734417/2B4F297F2E24664089968A419C0BB96DBADFA8EF/)
(http://cloud-2.steampowered.com/ugc/1119426502578729000/0462D53B026440EB472D2C1C1EC94E66DA196C5A/)
(http://cloud-2.steampowered.com/ugc/1119426502578731525/59904D07525CC9E30D8CCCD5029FB6DF417E765A/)
Title: Re: 109E3 inclusion
Post by: titanic3 on July 11, 2013, 08:05:05 PM
Wait a minute...those last screenshots aren't real life.... :eek:
Title: Re: 109E3 inclusion
Post by: Devil 505 on July 11, 2013, 09:42:10 PM
I like the E3. We NEED the E7.
Title: Re: 109E3 inclusion
Post by: Arlo on July 11, 2013, 11:03:37 PM
109 Bs and Cs would be right in line with my evil plan ..... er .....

(http://aviationartstore.com/images/profile_Bf-109B_Spain_J.88.jpg)

(https://acesflyinghigh.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/800px-bf109c_legioncondor2.jpg)

And .... early Es are fine, too.

(http://images.auctionhelper.com/images/10343/A2Zee%20Models/AC32006C.jpg)
Title: Re: 109E3 inclusion
Post by: Eric19 on July 12, 2013, 07:52:17 AM
okay I'm gonna feel stupid asking this but whats the difference between the E3 and E4??? they both look the same
Title: Re: 109E3 inclusion
Post by: LCADolby on July 12, 2013, 10:39:21 AM
okay I'm gonna feel stupid asking this but whats the difference between the E3 and E4??? they both look the same

Nicer, pilot friendly, birdcage canopy without the head-board, and the option of 4xMGs (cannonless) which gave it a weight save over the E4.

There were E3s with 4xMGs and the 20mm through the prop hub, but they couldn't get the MGFF to reliably fire when housed in the hub at the time.

Title: Re: 109E3 inclusion
Post by: Bino on July 12, 2013, 10:53:44 AM
Nicer, pilot friendly, birdcage canopy without the head-board, and the option of 4xMGs (cannonless) which gave it a weight save over the E4.

There were E3s with 4xMGs and the 20mm through the prop hub, but they couldn't get the MGFF to reliably fire when housed in the hub at the time.

^ this

A few early E-3's still had the guns of the E-1: 2 x 7mm in the nose plus 2 x 7mm in the wings.  Messerschmitt was unable to get the 20mm motorkannon to work until the later F-1 version, near the end of the year in 1940.

As for adding more variants for use in events:

The E-1 could be matched against either the Dewoitine d.520 or Morane-Saulnier M.S.406 in a "Battle of France" event.

The E-7 would find use in both Russian Front and North Africa events as the principal jagdbomber for the Axis.
Title: Re: 109E3 inclusion
Post by: Karnak on July 12, 2013, 01:17:59 PM
The E-1 could be matched against either the Dewoitine d.520 or Morane-Saulnier M.S.406 in a "Battle of France" event.

The E-7 would find use in both Russian Front and North Africa events as the principal jagdbomber for the Axis.

You Axis guys are a funny lot.  You ask for small variations in German stuff to be covered, making the differences out to be large, but never ask for the same of opposing Allied equipment.  Here you are asking for Bf109 versions for scenarios for which we largely lack any Allied aircraft having only the Soviet I-16-24 as appropriate.  Even the Hurricane Mk I isn't really appropriate for the BoF due to its 100 octane fuel and variable pitch prop.
Title: Re: 109E3 inclusion
Post by: Bino on July 12, 2013, 01:22:48 PM
You Axis guys are a funny lot.  You ask for small variations in German stuff to be covered, making the differences out to be large, but never ask for the same of opposing Allied equipment.  Here you are asking for Bf109 versions for scenarios for which we largely lack any Allied aircraft having only the Soviet I-16-24 as appropriate.  Even the Hurricane Mk I isn't really appropriate for the BoF due to its 100 octane fuel and variable pitch prop.

That would be great, too, but the topic of this thread *is* the Bf-109E-3.

Start a thread that lobbies for an earlier Hurricane Mk.I with lower octane and a fixed-pitch wooden prop ("Piece Of Cake" anyone?) and I will jump right in.   :aok
Title: Re: 109E3 inclusion
Post by: Zacherof on July 12, 2013, 08:02:07 PM
You Axis guys are a funny lot.  You ask for small variations in German stuff to be covered, making the differences out to be large, but never ask for the same of opposing Allied equipment.  Here you are asking for Bf109 versions for scenarios for which we largely lack any Allied aircraft having only the Soviet I-16-24 as appropriate.  Even the Hurricane Mk I isn't really appropriate for the BoF due to its 100 octane fuel and variable pitch prop.
Den give us what we needs are 2 bladed spits and hurri's :old:
Title: Re: 109E3 inclusion
Post by: nrshida on July 15, 2013, 04:54:00 PM
Don't know if any of you already have this: the Aero Detail book of the 109E series (early 109 pron  :eek:):

http://www.mediafire.com/?1jawbgay7uzodig

Enjoy!
Title: Re: 109E3 inclusion
Post by: LCADolby on July 15, 2013, 07:55:47 PM
Don't know if any of you already have this: the Aero Detail book of the 109E series (early 109 pron  :eek:):

http://www.mediafire.com/?1jawbgay7uzodig

Enjoy!

Thank you Shida, I'm going to need... some alone time...



I may be a while..
Title: Re: 109E3 inclusion
Post by: Guppy35 on July 15, 2013, 08:10:59 PM
I like the E3. We NEED the E7.

Yep.  E7 would be a much better addition.
Title: Re: 109E3 inclusion
Post by: MK-84 on July 15, 2013, 10:00:02 PM
What makes the 109E3 different from our current E model?
Title: Re: 109E3 inclusion
Post by: Motherland on July 15, 2013, 10:16:54 PM
And .... early Es are fine, too.

(http://images.auctionhelper.com/images/10343/A2Zee%20Models/AC32006C.jpg)
These don't look
right
Title: Re: 109E3 inclusion
Post by: Arlo on July 15, 2013, 10:25:47 PM
These don't look
right

They may not be. But I'll support the 'right' one's none-the-less.  :)
Title: Re: 109E3 inclusion
Post by: nrshida on July 16, 2013, 01:54:37 PM
Thank you Shida, I'm going to need... some alone time...



I may be a while..


 :rofl :rofl :aok
Title: Re: 109E3 inclusion
Post by: Zoney on July 17, 2013, 08:51:29 AM
You Axis guys are a funny lot.  You ask for small variations in German stuff to be covered, making the differences out to be large, but never ask for the same of opposing Allied equipment.  Here you are asking for Bf109 versions for scenarios for which we largely lack any Allied aircraft having only the Soviet I-16-24 as appropriate.  Even the Hurricane Mk I isn't really appropriate for the BoF due to its 100 octane fuel and variable pitch prop.

Yeah, we axis fighters want more axis planes.  Ummm, this is a surprise?  There are plenty of allied fans asking for allied aircraft.  Notice any pattern here?  This is the wish list forum, where we wish for things.  I certainly defer to those who know about balance and fairness to put new aircraft in to maintain a balance.

Dolby is my friend :)