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Title: Question about people RAMing
Post by: olds442 on July 23, 2013, 01:57:58 PM
Suppose someone comes up from my 3 oclock high and they hit my wing yet im turning into them. Who gets damage.
EDIT: Danm wrong area skuzzy please move to help forums  :aok
Title: Re: Question about people RAMing
Post by: Lusche on July 23, 2013, 02:01:37 PM
Suppose someone comes up from my 3 oclock high and they hit my wing yet im turning into them. Who gets damage.


If there is a collision on their Front End ("Screen"), they take damage.
If there is a collision on your Front End ("Screen"), you take damage.

If the collision happens on both Front Ends, both take damage.

See also http://trainers.hitechcreations.com/lag/lag.htm for the basics about lag and the consequences for AH



You are welcome.
Title: Re: Question about people RAMing
Post by: Karnak on July 23, 2013, 02:15:43 PM
Clarification:

It doesn't have to be visible on your screen.  It just has be have been calculated by your computer based on the 3D space your computer is modeling and the objects it models in that space.
Title: Re: Question about people RAMing
Post by: Ardy123 on July 23, 2013, 03:09:25 PM
Clarification:

It doesn't have to be visible on your screen.  It just has be have been calculated by your computer based on the 3D space your computer is modeling and the objects it models in that space.

the challenge is that in AH there isn't one 'world', there is a unique world on every ones computer that is similar but not the same. IE. what you see and experience is not necessarily exactly what another player sees.
Title: Re: Question about people RAMing
Post by: Wiley on July 23, 2013, 03:18:18 PM
the challenge is that in AH there isn't one 'world', there is a unique world on every ones computer that is similar but not the same. IE. what you see and experience is not necessarily exactly what another player sees.

The good part about how it is, what you see is what you get.  What he sees is also what he gets.

Wiley.
Title: Re: Question about people RAMing
Post by: LeDragon on July 23, 2013, 03:26:56 PM
 :headscratch:


How can they come up from your 3 o'clock high?





 :ahand
Title: Re: Question about people RAMing
Post by: jeep00 on July 23, 2013, 03:40:12 PM
Who gets damage.
Stands to reason......
Title: Re: Question about people RAMing
Post by: bustr on July 23, 2013, 03:40:56 PM
Don't feel bad. If the Internet is really misbehaving the following can surprise you too.

I dove down to a con and lit him up in a P51D. Lots of sprites, no damage. I pulled up and away with 100 yards to spare. As I'm climbing up and away my wing suddenly drops off and I get a collision message. I'm also looking at the con 1.5k in my 6-view going the other way.

The rest of the night was like I was playing the game on Martian time and everyone else was playing from Alpha Centari time. Occasionally all of the green guys around me would warp like synchronized swimmers, and it seemed like my time scale never synced with any con's time scale. Or like our windows of time in the time stream were just a bit out of frame when we came together.
Title: Re: Question about people RAMing
Post by: Arlo on July 23, 2013, 03:44:04 PM
the challenge is that in AH there isn't one 'world', there is a unique world on every ones computer that is similar but not the same. IE. what you see and experience is not necessarily exactly what another player sees.

(http://th07.deviantart.net/fs12/PRE/i/2006/287/c/4/Random_Sliders_by_Nocturnal_Abyss.jpg)
Title: Re: Question about people RAMing
Post by: Solar10 on July 23, 2013, 03:44:48 PM
Who gets damage.


ME!
Title: Re: Question about people RAMing
Post by: dirtdart on July 23, 2013, 03:50:15 PM
Something is definitely up with the interweb lately. I have a 30 Mbs connection and am seeing my rounds go through other guys airplanes (bummer) and, I lose every collision with critical damage. <--- Generally collisions are my fault, but there have been a few where I did not think we were even that close.

The model is imperative to the game, it gives a bit of an incentive for guys not to do gun run straight through you and to think about escape angles etc...

Must be the NSA eating up all the bandwidth lol  :bolt:
Title: Re: Question about people RAMing
Post by: The Fugitive on July 23, 2013, 03:55:18 PM
Something is definitely up with the interweb lately. I have a 30 Mbs connection

has almost nothing to do with the game connections. It's great for downloading a movie, but a 56k modem should run the game about as well.

Quote
and am seeing my rounds go through other guys airplanes (bummer) and, I lose every collision with critical damage. <--- Generally collisions are my fault, but there have been a few where I did not think we were even that close.

That is why. If the collision is detected on YOUR computer YOU will receive the damge.... everytime. That is how it is set up. Avoid the collisions and you won't take damage from one.... they may get you with their guns as the collides on THEIR computers but you won't get damage from a collision that doesn't happen on your computer.

Title: Re: Question about people RAMing
Post by: Ardy123 on July 23, 2013, 04:03:44 PM
Don't feel bad. If the Internet is really misbehaving the following can surprise you too.

I dove down to a con and lit him up in a P51D. Lots of sprites, no damage. I pulled up and away with 100 yards to spare. As I'm climbing up and away my wing suddenly drops off and I get a collision message. I'm also looking at the con 1.5k in my 6-view going the other way.

The rest of the night was like I was playing the game on Martian time and everyone else was playing from Alpha Centari time. Occasionally all of the green guys around me would warp like synchronized swimmers, and it seemed like my time scale never synced with any con's time scale. Or like our windows of time in the time stream were just a bit out of frame when we came together.

Comcast right? Excessive buffering on your router? sounds more like latency issues.... verify if the UDP packets are being delivered or if they are being dropped....
Title: Re: Question about people RAMing
Post by: Zoney on July 24, 2013, 10:38:32 AM
:headscratch:


How can they come up from your 3 o'clock high?





 :ahand

He was flying inverted.  Duh.  :P
Title: Re: Question about people RAMing
Post by: Blooz on July 24, 2013, 11:44:48 AM
An excellent write up explaining it all.

http://trainers.hitechcreations.com/lag/lag.htm (http://trainers.hitechcreations.com/lag/lag.htm)
Title: Re: Question about people RAMing
Post by: bustr on July 24, 2013, 05:26:01 PM
Comcast right? Excessive buffering on your router? sounds more like latency issues.... verify if the UDP packets are being delivered or if they are being dropped....


ATT is my provider.

For some time up until last week the HOPs in Texas were all bad. Very wide fluctuations and drops of packets. My three hops in California ping 3, 6, 6. Then Texas is 49, 50, 60. The first two Texas have been dropping packets and spiking up in the 200's for about 2 months now. The last week has been good.

Comcast doesn't like gamers from what my neighbors tell me.
Title: Re: Question about people RAMing
Post by: Ardy123 on July 24, 2013, 09:14:44 PM
ATT is my provider.

For some time up until last week the HOPs in Texas were all bad. Very wide fluctuations and drops of packets. My three hops in California ping 3, 6, 6. Then Texas is 49, 50, 60. The first two Texas have been dropping packets and spiking up in the 200's for about 2 months now. The last week has been good.

Comcast doesn't like gamers from what my neighbors tell me.
hmm.... What is HTC's game server IP? Is it hosted at the same at SoftLayer/ThePlanet.com as well?

:~$ nslookup www.hitechcreations.com
Server:         10.1.1.102
Address:        10.1.1.102#53

Non-authoritative answer:
Name:   www.hitechcreations.com
Address: 70.85.193.18


traceroute to 70.85.193.18 (70.85.193.18), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets
 1  10.1.3.1  0.608 ms  0.540 ms  0.517 ms
 2  70.85.193.18  55.347 ms  63.326 ms  59.063 ms

Title: Re: Question about people RAMing
Post by: Skuzzy on July 25, 2013, 01:18:14 PM
Use 71.252.137.146 for the server IP address, at the moment.
Title: Re: Question about people RAMing
Post by: bustr on July 25, 2013, 02:23:11 PM
Use 71.252.137.146 for the server IP address, at the moment.

I hope the hop dropping packets is simply not accepting ICMP.

(http://imageshack.us/a/img577/4620/r70.gif)
Title: Re: Question about people RAMing
Post by: Skuzzy on July 25, 2013, 02:47:30 PM
Yep, hop #8 does not honor the "ICMP ECHO" packet type.
Title: Re: Question about people RAMing
Post by: fuzeman on July 25, 2013, 05:23:34 PM
An excellent write up explaining it all.

http://trainers.hitechcreations.com/lag/lag.htm (http://trainers.hitechcreations.com/lag/lag.htm)

Come now Blooz, lets not try to explain thing to them. That spoils the  :furious  :x  :noid  factor for them, if not completely it surely diminishes it.


And the real reason for this post. Yes a pure 100% unadulterated and admitted Hijack
Did you make Geneseo this year, I went Sunday and didnt see any big white cowboy hats.
Title: Re: Question about people RAMing
Post by: Blooz on July 26, 2013, 02:27:05 AM
Yup, I was there Sunday. Did the pancake breakfast at about 8. Walked the entire grounds to check out the planes then set up chairs and umbrellas for the show. Left at about 3:30 because it was so danged hot and there was no breeze.

I was sitting on the far right from the announcers tower (next to the area roped off for "media"). I was on the far left (as the crowd would be looking at us) of the veterans as we did the "salute to veterans" thing.

Ended up eating four HAG hut angus cheeseburgers and bought a new hat, lol.

Can't believe we missed each other again this year Fuze!