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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: Skyguns MKII on August 01, 2013, 07:40:09 PM
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Going a bit off my last strat post (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,323964.0.html) can we please have a elaborate rail system in witch trains supply bases via their town and port stations/rail yards? I hardly see trains anymore, kinda sad.. Also, should we ever get a nice rail system, can we please even perhaps have the ability to even man their guns? Id love to make a map where a enemy can capture a vbase that has a spawn near a railway and you get to man a german cannon on a armored car to help defend it. But until this happens I wont be able to experiment it on the terrain editor... I even had a thought that you can even operate the train as a engineer in a manned position but AI takes over and continues on route if unmanned. stop in tunnels if there is many air cons or heavy gv resistance ahead. Wait til your buddies kill the threat and then continue.
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Going a bit off my last strat post (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,323964.0.html) can we please have a elaborate rail system in witch trains supply bases via their town and port stations/rail yards? I hardly see trains anymore, kinda sad.. Also, should we ever get a nice rail system, can we please even perhaps have the ability to even man their guns? Id love to make a map where a enemy can capture a vbase that has a spawn near a railway and you get to man a german cannon on a armored car to help defend it. But until this happens I wont be able to experiment it on the terrain editor... I even had a thought that you can even operate the train as a engineer in a manned position but AI takes over and continues on route if unmanned. stop in tunnels if there is many air cons or heavy gv resistance ahead. Wait til your buddies kill the threat and then continue.
Many have asked for this (including myself) and have gotten no 'official' response on the matter. Only some agreements and bashing from other players (and non-players) on the issue. From it would be great, to it would just be another way of perk farming.
+1 to OP
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I even had a thought that you can even operate the train as a engineer
that sounds exhilarating.
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that sounds exhilarating.
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This is why I suggested AI mode, sure you don't wanna tag along cross country. So hop in when u need too or AI will take over... could even give engineer position a manned gun to hop back and forth to keep busy...
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This is why I suggested AI mode, sure you don't wanna tag along cross country. So hop in when u need too or AI will take over... could even give engineer position a manned gun to hop back and forth to keep busy...
you understand how trains work yes? really think ya need AI to operate a train?
what would a train engineer need to do in this game?
stop?
go?
as I've mentioned before, I'm all for adding mannable trains, as long as you include mannable passenger seats and lavatories. maybe mannable diner car to eat in or mannable sleeper car where you can just go take a nap, because you'd be so bored...
while we're thinking of dull things to do in this game, why not make the supply barges mannable too. :D
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Going a bit off my last strat post (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,323964.0.html) can we please have a elaborate rail system in witch trains supply bases via their town and port stations/rail yards? I hardly see trains anymore, kinda sad.. Also, should we ever get a nice rail system, can we please even perhaps have the ability to even man their guns? Id love to make a map where a enemy can capture a vbase that has a spawn near a railway and you get to man a german cannon on a armored car to help defend it. But until this happens I wont be able to experiment it on the terrain editor... I even had a thought that you can even operate the train as a engineer in a manned position but AI takes over and continues on route if unmanned. stop in tunnels if there is many air cons or heavy gv resistance ahead. Wait til your buddies kill the threat and then continue.
:airplane: I read somewhere in a post that trains resupplied most all the bases in AH, but I recently took a D-40 and on purpose, flew around many bases in my country to see if I could find a train! The only trains I saw were at the "strats", but never did find one anywhere else!
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you understand how trains work yes? really think ya need AI to operate a train?
what would a train engineer need to do in this game?
stop?
go?
as I've mentioned before, I'm all for adding mannable trains, as long as you include mannable passenger seats and lavatories. maybe mannable diner car to eat in or mannable sleeper car where you can just go take a nap, because you'd be so bored...
while we're thinking of dull things to do in this game, why not make the supply barges mannable too. :D
You made your point. suggest another way of getting a train to slow, reverse, stop, and proceed should it be needed if cons are inbound. That's really what im trying to suggest I suppose. Stop in a tunnel, reverse in a tunnel in case of air cons. slow to allow friendly gvs to take care of enemy gvs ahead but still make good time? :salute
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:airplane: I read somewhere in a post that trains resupplied most all the bases in AH, but I recently took a D-40 and on purpose, flew around many bases in my country to see if I could find a train! The only trains I saw were at the "strats", but never did find one anywhere else!
Yeah I didn't find any trains either, except near HeadQuarters/Strats. Wish they were base to base, would be nice.
You made your point. suggest another way of getting a train to slow, reverse, stop, and proceed should it be needed if cons are inbound. That's really what im trying to suggest I suppose. Stop in a tunnel, reverse in a tunnel in case of air cons. slow to allow friendly gvs to take care of enemy gvs ahead but still make good time? :salute
Currently they do a 'lap' around their track and then go into a building, then I believe respawn at the other end of this 'track' to do yet another 'lap'. I say this because I was at an enemy HQ today in a tank and seen a train go into the building, then show up less than 5 mins later. They just do what they are supposed to. There are no tunnels currently (that I know of) where you could hide. Just bridges that don't protect the trains from aircraft. They don't need a 'driver', they are fine as is. Plus once destroyed they are down for 60 minutes!
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Yeah I didn't find any trains either, except near HeadQuarters/Strats. Wish they were base to base, would be nice.
Currently they do a 'lap' around their track and then go into a building, then I believe respawn at the other end of this 'track' to do yet another 'lap'. I say this because I was at an enemy HQ today in a tank and seen a train go into the building, then show up less than 5 mins later. They just do what they are supposed to. There are no tunnels currently (that I know of) where you could hide. Just bridges that don't protect the trains from aircraft. They don't need a 'driver', they are fine as is. Plus once destroyed they are down for 60 minutes!
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kinda would like to introduce tunnels, bridges ect
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kinda would like to introduce tunnels, bridges ect
They would serve no combat purpose. The bridges we already have suck. They can't be blown up AFAIK, and they can't be flown under.
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We have the strats move from front lines to way back. That move has to made via some transportation.
Maybe have some rail yards, highways, convoys, along that path that can be attacked or damaged. Not completely destroyed as they would always find a way to move the strats to safer areas but something that could be a target for fighter bombers or bombers that might even delay that move of strats to a safer area resulting in a further increase in resupply times for that side.
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They would serve no combat purpose. The bridges we already have suck. They can't be blown up AFAIK, and they can't be flown under.
then introduce bridges that take damage and such. This wish is not just for trains but hopefully a total new strat rail system Joe. :salute
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Have to remember though that Hitech Creations has us in mind a little when they don't add every bell and whistle they could.
Want maps that take an hour to download? Want your frame rate to go to 18.3333333 when you fly over these things we ask for?
Want all the people on the lower half of the bell curve regarding computer specs and performance to start complaining or leave the game?
It's a delicate balance they perform. As it is now we have people that complain they can't have high frame rates and people who want to see every blade of grass when they fly over it at 5,000 feet so I think HTC is pretty much in the middle of that trying to keep everyone happy, and able to run the game without having to buy a new rig according to Moore's Law.
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Have to remember though that Hitech Creations has us in mind a little when they don't add every bell and whistle they could.
Want maps that take an hour to download? Want your frame rate to go to 18.3333333 when you fly over these things we ask for?
Want all the people on the lower half of the bell curve regarding computer specs and performance to start complaining or leave the game?
It's a delicate balance they perform. As it is now we have people that complain they can't have high frame rates and people who want to see every blade of grass when they fly over it at 5,000 feet so I think HTC is pretty much in the middle of that trying to keep everyone happy, and able to run the game without having to buy a new rig according to Moore's Law.
I understand that HTC needs to accommodate players. but we already have a city where hq is located. how bad could it be just to add more to it? this should effect size and frames too much.
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I understand that HTC needs to accommodate players. but we already have a city where hq is located. how bad could it be just to add more to it? this should effect size and frames too much.
Remember when they first came out and they had to tweak them some as people's frame rates were getting slammed?
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Remember when they first came out and they had to tweak them some as people's frame rates were getting slammed?
true. it was overkill anyways. kinda wish they would bring back old hq, and simply add to it or change it from there
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My thread on this from a week or two ago: http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,351301.0.html . Also, maybe some wouldn't find driving the train vary fun, but I imagine model train enthusiasts would probably get a kick out of it. Maybe make it a perk item that would allow faster resupply of bases. Of course, you'd have to put an icon over a player-controlled train, just to be fair. Heck, I'd drive one! :cheers:
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My thread on this from a week or two ago: http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,351301.0.html . Also, maybe some wouldn't find driving the train vary fun, but I imagine model train enthusiasts would probably get a kick out of it. Maybe make it a perk item that would allow faster resupply of bases. Of course, you'd have to put an icon over a player-controlled train, just to be fair. Heck, I'd drive one! :cheers:
Even a dot command to perhaps control but I fear that's to troublesome in a heated fight. I would love to see a strat supply system in place. As suggested in my link in the first post. Bridges, tunnels, rail yards ect. as long as the rails is on the same land mass. They resupply bases and cargo to ports where then cargo ships transport those supplies to other ports with again rail yards or into a landing craft ship. where trucks would be dropped off on shore are driven from base to base on the land mass with no rails.
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Dude wants to pay $15 per month to be a train engineer. He wants to be able to hide the train in a tunnel! I actually laughed at that. Maybe we could have hundreds of tunnels so we could all do it... sitting in the dark hiding. Beats dogfighting or fighting tanks - right? :)
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Dude wants to pay $15 per month to be a train engineer. He wants to be able to hide the train in a tunnel! I actually laughed at that. Maybe we could have hundreds of tunnels so we could all do it... sitting in the dark hiding. Beats dogfighting or fighting tanks - right? :)
don't have to get smart on me :rolleyes: Its all up for debate but i'm fireproof. Opinions like yours shape my next one for the wish list. :salute
However getting to business. Im just suggestion a sophisticated strat rail system in witch trains have more of a part. manning guns being one of them. Do you man guns for hours on a cv in the middle of nowhere when nobody knows its there? No.. ;) don't have to do that with the train either just in a dangerous environment. The operable part just suggest some way, doesn't even a driving position, it could be a option like we do on the cv. simply select a train like you do task group and select speed and direction and let it go from there. If there is a can in the area and its getting shot up (and you know it has valuable supplies) put it in a safe area. simple as that :salute
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I just got done reading the memoirs of a P-51D pilot based in Italy - strafing trains was the most dangerous mission they had. Every train came with an AA crew, and it was not that uncommon for a locomotive to explode and damage your aircraft as you flew thru the debris.
In the older maps with multiple zone bases, I could definitely see linking the strats to the zone bases by rail for resupply. With the current strat system, the only thing I could see doing would be to add a railyard to the strats so that the city resupplies the factories with it. Each train would spawn and remove x minutes of downtime from the strat when it reached it. Damaging the train strat slows the spawning of trains to do the resupply, and destroying the train enroute prevents that resupply cycle altogether.
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don't have to get smart on me :rolleyes: Its all up for debate but i'm fireproof. Opinions like yours shape my next one for the wish list. :salute
However getting to business. Im just suggestion a sophisticated strat rail system in witch trains have more of a part. manning guns being one of them. Do you man guns for hours on a cv in the middle of nowhere when nobody knows its there? No.. ;) don't have to do that with the train either just in a dangerous environment. The operable part just suggest some way, doesn't even a driving position, it could be a option like we do on the cv. simply select a train like you do task group and select speed and direction and let it go from there. If there is a train in the area and its getting shot up (and you know it has valuable supplies) put it in a safe area. simple as that :salute
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I just got done reading the memoirs of a P-51D pilot based in Italy - strafing trains was the most dangerous mission they had. Every train came with an AA crew, and it was not that uncommon for a locomotive to explode and damage your aircraft as you flew thru the debris.
In the older maps with multiple zone bases, I could definitely see linking the strats to the zone bases by rail for resupply. With the current strat system, the only thing I could see doing would be to add a railyard to the strats so that the city resupplies the factories with it. Each train would spawn and remove x minutes of downtime from the strat when it reached it. Damaging the train strat slows the spawning of trains to do the resupply, and destroying the train enroute prevents that resupply cycle altogether.
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I like the idea of a rail yard being its own strat that travels to each factory then amongst bases
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AH1 had tunnels and they didn't kill anyone's FR's. In fact it was fun hiding in one in a GV then killing unsuspecting passers by. Even more fun if they knew you were there and tried to root you out.
Train enthusiasts would probably be more excited operating a group of engineers laying track.
Trains have always only been at/resupplying strats but the strats used to be spread all over the map. Yet another sad side effect of the centralized strat system.
Manning the guns would have been fun in the past but what are you going to shoot at with strats deep in the backfield?
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AH1 had tunnels and they didn't kill anyone's FR's. In fact it was fun hiding in one in a GV then killing unsuspecting passers by. Even more fun if they knew you were there and tried to root you out.
Train enthusiasts would probably be more excited operating a group of engineers laying track.
Trains have always only been at/resupplying strats but the strats used to be spread all over the map. Yet another sad side effect of the centralized strat system.
Manning the guns would have been fun in the past but what are you going to shoot at with strats deep in the backfield?
Learned something new. As far as manning guns like I said with the carrier. Only need to do it when the threat calls for it. People don't man guns on the carrier when they are in the middle of the game ocean hidden from all threats.
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Dude wants to pay $15 per month to be a train engineer. He wants to be able to hide the train in a tunnel! I actually laughed at that. Maybe we could have hundreds of tunnels so we could all do it... sitting in the dark hiding. Beats dogfighting or fighting tanks - right? :)
Well, first, It's my $15, so who's to say I shouldn't spend it that way. :P Seriously, if nothing else changed in the strat system, then yes; it would be pointless and boring. If a more interactive role could be worked into the game, such that I could chose to spawn a train to make a resupply run (and it was closer to the front lines) than I don't see it as being any different than taking an M3 to resupply a base. If you've ever done that, you know that it is a typical tactic to scoot from stands of trees to barns and such to avoid marauding aircraft, and of course you'll man your lone and mostly useless single MG and shoot back when one finds you. I wouldn't recommend such a change for barges, of course...just too slow to be of any point. As I said in my previous post about this, I'd like to see towns supplied by trains, and bases supplied by towns via trucks (both with their own man-able guns). Also, have a major rail yard as a strat target affecting rebuilds of other strats (because back then, everything shipped by rail).
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Well, first, It's my $15, so who's to say I shouldn't spend it that way. :P Seriously, if nothing else changed in the strat system, then yes; it would be pointless and boring. If a more interactive role could be worked into the game, such that I could chose to spawn a train to make a resupply run (and it was closer to the front lines) than I don't see it as being any different than taking an M3 to resupply a base. If you've ever done that, you know that it is a typical tactic to scoot from stands of trees to barns and such to avoid marauding aircraft, and of course you'll man your lone and mostly useless single MG and shoot back when one finds you. I wouldn't recommend such a change for barges, of course...just too slow to be of any point. As I said in my previous post about this, I'd like to see towns supplied by trains, and bases supplied by towns via trucks (both with their own man-able guns). Also, have a major rail yard as a strat target affecting rebuilds of other strats (because back then, everything shipped by rail).
couldn't say it better myself :cheers: