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Title: Anyone else...
Post by: Tank-Ace on August 12, 2013, 01:02:00 PM
getting sick of the flash mobs pf P-38's flying in heavy at 15k, and killing the hangers on the first pass? Sole purpose of missions like these are to shorten and minimize combat to the maximum degree possible. Considering this is an air/ground combat game, I submit that those doing these types of raids are infact playing the game wrong.

Flame resistant underwear in place, check. Open fire!!!
Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: whiteman on August 12, 2013, 01:04:08 PM
Darbar
Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: StokesAk on August 12, 2013, 01:05:52 PM
Why would you even post this? There is no argument here.

These raids do produce combat. I.E. people scrambling to kill them, or they them selves bombing hangers.

Sounds like someone doesn't know how to read a dar bar in order to get sufficient altitude to intercept these raids.

I don't even
Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: Fulcrum on August 12, 2013, 01:08:11 PM
Darus Barrius Maximus  ;)
Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: Tank-Ace on August 12, 2013, 01:08:49 PM
Why would you even post this? There is no argument here.

These raids do produce combat. I.E. people scrambling to kill them, or they them selves bombing hangers.

Sounds like someone doesn't know how to read a dar bar in order to get sufficient altitude to intercept these raids.

I don't even


A bit hard when you're in the middle of combat, and only see the darbar after its swarming the base.
Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: ntrudr on August 12, 2013, 01:17:23 PM
It comes down to this, each person pays their monthly fee and is entitled to play the game any way they see fit within the rules of conduct.

Many people do things I don't care for also.
Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: Randy1 on August 12, 2013, 01:22:56 PM
So many of them  arguer-in, if you just wait a couple of minutes, they are gone.  If they can get up a big raid like that, more power to them.  It is just part of the game-simulation.
Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: Arlo on August 12, 2013, 01:36:20 PM
A bit hard when you're in the middle of combat, and only see the darbar after its swarming the base.

What is your recommendation for the wishlist to address this?

Force anything that isn't a pure bomber to participate in at least one dogfight before they can drop ords?

Harden hangars to require a bomber formation to take them out?

Perk all ord for fighter bombers?
Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: Aspen on August 12, 2013, 01:36:49 PM
Heavy 38 = nom noms.  Wishes trying to get rid of nom noms cannot be supported  :D
Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: Flench on August 12, 2013, 01:44:31 PM
I love shooting me down so P-38s .
Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: Tank-Ace on August 12, 2013, 01:51:00 PM
What is your recommendation for the wishlist to address this?

Force anything that isn't a pure bomber to participate in at least one dogfight before they can drop ords?

Harden hangars to require a bomber formation to take them out?

Perk all ord for fighter bombers?

Perking heavy ordnance loads wouldn't be a bad option. Say, 1000lb and larger bombs are perked?

An ordnance update along with it wouldn't be bad.
Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: Arlo on August 12, 2013, 01:54:40 PM
Perking heavy ordnance loads wouldn't be a bad option. Say, 1000lb and larger bombs are perked?

An ordnance update along with it wouldn't be bad.

Because this is important?  :D
Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: Tank-Ace on August 12, 2013, 01:55:43 PM
Because this is important?  :D

Improving game play is THE most important thing we can do.
Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: Arlo on August 12, 2013, 01:59:12 PM
Improving game play is THE most important thing we can do.

Once there's a consensus that it's a problem to everyone and not just you
I might agree.  :) :salute
Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: Tank-Ace on August 12, 2013, 02:01:04 PM
Once there's a consensus that it's a problem to everyone and not just you
I might agree.  :) :salute

In what way so smash and grab hordes benefit game play?
Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: Arlo on August 12, 2013, 02:02:28 PM
In what way so smash and grab hordes benefit game play?

One of the oldest whines in the game, sir. I bet, to them, it was a hoot.

It may even been more a hoot if people watched the map, on occasion,
and used it to surmise the oncoming 'smash and grabbers.'
Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: skorpx1 on August 12, 2013, 02:02:48 PM
So...


You're complaining about easy kills? Just find the darbar and bring them down. Its not like they'll ever fight anyways.
Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: Dragon on August 12, 2013, 02:08:15 PM
In what way do smash and grab hordes benefit game play?

Depends on what game you're playing. 
Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: Tank-Ace on August 12, 2013, 02:13:26 PM
Skorpx that assumes I'm bored looking for a fight. Or at the very least, that I'm not in combat.

Arlo, the question stands. Their fun is not of higher priority than anyone else's, and thus it does not improve game play.

If we can keep the base captures but drop the flash hording, that would be ideal. Maximize fun for all sides.
Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: surfinn on August 12, 2013, 02:17:05 PM
It does get boring seeing the same raid over and over again. Yes it works so they are sticking with it but man I wish they would mix it up a little bit with some ju87, p47d25s, ju88s, raids etc.
Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: Arlo on August 12, 2013, 02:23:46 PM
Arlo, the question stands. Their fun is not of higher priority than anyone else's.

Nor is yours. The difference being, they are playing the game within it's parameters to have some.
Your frustration, if it's know to them, probably enhances theirs. I, and most of the players I fly
with, have certainly known frustration, as well, but we deal with it and our fun is apparently not as
diminished as yours. This makes it a Tank-Ace problem, not a community one. You came here to
vent. So be it, you vented. But there is not one single 'behavior' complaint on the forum that is
really a game problem unless it's breaking HT's rules ..... not my rules, not your rules ... HT's.
Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: coombz on August 12, 2013, 02:28:00 PM
a whine has been recorded
Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: skorpx1 on August 12, 2013, 02:28:15 PM

Their fun is not of higher priority than anyone else's, and thus it does not improve game play.


But your's is?


Go ahead. Explain.
Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: Tank-Ace on August 12, 2013, 02:33:55 PM
Considering the griefing going on on range, nobody was enjoying it

Isn't not a me problem, it's a "nobody likes to just drop what they're doing to frantically try to defend" issue.
Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: pembquist on August 12, 2013, 02:42:20 PM
Is your idea that if you make it impossible for a group to shut down a base with heavy fighters that they will enjoy the game more? If so I don't agree. I am assuming that for the most part the reason this happens is because "they" don't have the skill to maintain a cap on a field so in order to have a chance at capturing a base, EG fun, they use the strategy that works for them.  Taking that away would probably make the game worse for them than it would make it better for you, if you see what I mean.

Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: skorpx1 on August 12, 2013, 02:42:40 PM
Isn't not a me problem, it's a "nobody likes to just drop what they're doing to frantically try to defend" issue.

"Isn't not a me problem"

Er... What?



Anyways, that last part about defending is true but IRL you had to do exactly that just to defend something. Its not like we're gonna tell the enemy when they should defend against us or vise versa so they can plan ahead.
Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: Ack-Ack on August 12, 2013, 02:43:20 PM
Improving game play is THE most important thing we can do.

The attackers aren't doing anything that the game play doesn't allow them to do.  Attacking and defending bases are a part of this game, and in this instance it appears the defenders weren't at the top of their game and failed to defend their base.

Perking heavy ordnance loads wouldn't be a bad option. Say, 1000lb and larger bombs are perked?

An ordnance update along with it wouldn't be bad.

Ahh...the true crux of your post.  You and your country mates were unable to defend a base being attacked so you now wish to introduce perks as a way of limiting other's game play behavior so you don't have to worry about having to defend your base under attack.  

ack-ack
Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: Arlo on August 12, 2013, 02:45:10 PM
Isn't not a me problem, it's a "nobody likes to just drop what they're doing to frantically try to defend" issue.

'Nobody' and 'everybody' are exaggerations, more times than not.

If you don't like defending (whether it's due to the effort it takes to anticipate or cooperate) and you choose
not to, move on with whatever you think you like more. You can't mandate what other players do. You may
want to spread that on to whomever else was whining about it on text and vox.
Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: Debrody on August 12, 2013, 02:47:08 PM
Once i ran into one of theese missions in a jet. They were around 6k and were just flying straight, so i could shoot them down one after another. Bagged like 18 kills 'til i have finally crashed into my last victim  :rofl
Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: waystin2 on August 12, 2013, 02:48:53 PM
Watch the dars, intercept.  Fun fun fun....
Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: kano on August 12, 2013, 02:54:19 PM
I am assuming that for the most part the reason this happens is because "they" don't have the skill to maintain a cap on a field



Maybe said skills required would be learned if they didnt drop all the hangars every time and actually learnt to fight  :banana:
Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: Zoney on August 12, 2013, 02:56:45 PM
Considering the griefing going on on range, nobody was enjoying it


It could be worse, "they" could have been discussing politics on 200.

Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: Arlo on August 12, 2013, 02:57:38 PM
Maybe said skills required would be learned if they didnt drop all the hangars every time and actually learnt to fight  :banana:

"When I'm not enjoying myself it's always the other guy's fault because he sux so much."

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-lwm-bRqWDX0/Tw4KvMvGPLI/AAAAAAAAAl0/iifBMEAe0Mo/s179/afro-shaking-head-no.gif)
Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: Dragon on August 12, 2013, 03:04:20 PM
Anticipate and react.


Nobody likes to defend?  Really?
Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: uptown on August 12, 2013, 03:14:44 PM
 :lol <-----this is all I have regarding the OPs whine.  :salute
Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: Naughty on August 12, 2013, 03:44:50 PM


WOW ! this has gotta be the most ignorant post i've read !  please excuse me if im wrong, but this IS a WWII combat simulation game right ?
 And what was the action that finally brought the USA into the war ? i think it was A HORDE OF SMALL JAP BOMBERS SMASHING A BASE.

   So in my not so humble opinion, the game is more realistic when hordes attack. the game is NOT just about furballing, and shooting down other fighters.
  it's about strategic bombing, (porking ords, sinking task groups, strat bombing,) it's about situational awareness (reading dar bars, predicting where you'll be attacked next, where your enemy is strongest/weakest) and it's about teamwork ! it's not easy getting a bunch of type A personality pilots to work together, join a mission and take a base.
Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: aztec on August 12, 2013, 04:00:47 PM
Considering the griefing going on on range, nobody was enjoying it

Isn't not a me problem, it's a "nobody likes to just drop what they're doing to frantically try to defend" issue.

 :lol War is heck.
Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: ink on August 12, 2013, 04:53:16 PM

WOW ! this has gotta be the most ignorant post i've read !  please excuse me if im wrong, but this IS a WWII combat simulation game right ?
 And what was the action that finally brought the USA into the war ? i think it was A HORDE OF SMALL JAP BOMBERS SMASHING A BASE.

   So in my not so humble opinion, the game is more realistic when hordes attack. the game is NOT just about furballing, and shooting down other fighters.
  it's about strategic bombing, (porking ords, sinking task groups, strat bombing,) it's about situational awareness (reading dar bars, predicting where you'll be attacked next, where your enemy is strongest/weakest) and it's about teamwork ! it's not easy getting a bunch of type A personality pilots to work together, join a mission and take a base.

you are excused......Aces High is NOT a WW2 simulator.....nor is it a "War" game :aok

it is a Air/ground Combat game(giant sandbox) using WW2 equipment.  

the main word and most important is "COMBAT"



Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: kano on August 12, 2013, 04:55:44 PM
"When I'm not enjoying myself it's always the other guy's fault because he sux so much."


I enjoy myself whatever is going on ingame, but only way to improve ACM and SA is to fight and die not auger on a hangar. Plus i sux more than most the horders lol

EatG
Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: The Fugitive on August 12, 2013, 05:03:56 PM
I don't have a problem with them coming in at 14k, it's when they are running NOE all night that drives me nuts. I do wish there was more incentive to defend tho. Right now EVERYBODY wants to be on the winning team capturing a base is counted as a "win". But defending a base only gets you some quite time as you search the map for the horde to up some place else seeing they could get through the defense.



WOW ! this has gotta be the most ignorant post i've read !  please excuse me if im wrong, but this IS a WWII combat simulation game right ?
 And what was the action that finally brought the USA into the war ? i think it was A HORDE OF SMALL JAP BOMBERS SMASHING A BASE.

   So in my not so humble opinion, the game is more realistic when hordes attack. the game is NOT just about furballing, and shooting down other fighters.
  it's about strategic bombing, (porking ords, sinking task groups, strat bombing,) it's about situational awareness (reading dar bars, predicting where you'll be attacked next, where your enemy is strongest/weakest) and it's about teamwork ! it's not easy getting a bunch of type A personality pilots to work together, join a mission and take a base.

LOL!!! your new to the boards so I'll just warn ya, this is a game NOT war so never compare the two. As for "strategic bombing, (porking ords, sinking task groups, strat bombing,) it's about situational awareness (reading dar bars, predicting where you'll be attacked next, where your enemy is strongest/weakest) and it's about teamwork ! it's not easy getting a bunch of type A personality pilots to work together, join a mission and take a base" you rarely see this. All you see is a large groupe that flies together and like a horde of locusts just flattens everything at a base. They neither look for nor participate in combat, but do the opposite and do everything they can to avoid it.
Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: Randy1 on August 12, 2013, 05:09:27 PM
Perking heavy ordnance loads wouldn't be a bad option. Say, 1000lb and larger bombs are perked?


Seems like I read somewhere that 500 Pounders were the normal loadout
Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: Tank-Ace on August 12, 2013, 05:12:30 PM
Anticipate and react.


Nobody likes to defend?  Really?

For the third time, I'm not going to keep the map open, and be vigilant for darbars while in a dogfight.

By the time I realized the base was getting hordes (maybe 2-5 minutes tops), one hanger up, M3 in to town. Not a whole hell of a lot I could have done to react any faster.

And no, nobody likes to be told "horde at Axxx, auger your plane, bail your bomber, ditch your tank, let's goooooo!"




Not really surprised at the replys, but saddened. To many just accepted poor behavior  :(.
Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: GhostCDB on August 12, 2013, 05:16:20 PM
You flew with one of these raids before :lol

Pot calling the kettle black
Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: skorpx1 on August 12, 2013, 05:20:31 PM
For the third time, I'm not going to keep the map open, and be vigilant for darbars while in a dogfight.

By the time I realized the base was getting hordes (maybe 2-5 minutes tops), one hanger up, M3 in to town. Not a whole hell of a lot I could have done to react any faster.

And no, nobody likes to be told "horde at Axxx, auger your plane, bail your bomber, ditch your tank, let's goooooo!"




Not really surprised at the replys, but saddened. To many just accepted poor behavior  :(.



Whine and whine and whine.


This has been happening for years. What makes you think it'll change?
Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: ROC on August 12, 2013, 05:21:28 PM
Quote
To many just accepted poor behavior

As did you.

It's stunning how simple this is.  You have the absolute ability to do something about the game play you do not like, but have stated over and over again what you don't want to do. Sounds like there is a problem here, but it might not be what you think it is  ;)
Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: 1Cane on August 12, 2013, 05:48:25 PM
 I probably get more fighter kills by defending a field by upping at nearby airfield and coming in with alt. Bombers will most likely be co-alt attack, no bombers look for Jabos and drop down on them ,zoom back up repeat as necessary. :banana:
Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: Arlo on August 12, 2013, 05:52:44 PM
For the third time, I'm not going to keep the map open, and be vigilant for darbars while in a dogfight.

For the whatever time, nobody is asking you to keep your map open. If you're not worried about
defending bases then don't complain about your bases getting ransacked. Enjoy the dogfight.
If your bases get captured then enjoy the dogfights on the next map. But even if you want the
big pic situational awareness, it doesn't really take the effort you seem to think it does.  ;)

 :salute
Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: Aspen on August 12, 2013, 05:55:16 PM
The only time a mob raid results in no combat is when no one chooses to defend.  Rarely is there a raid that can't be reached from some base before the field is taken.  If I'm too busy, meh, I must be having fun doing something else.  

Players are having fun running these.  Some may want to avoid combat or really want to win the war, some may want to poke a stick in someones eye to try and start up a furball, and some might be busy eating a burrito so some mindless base hoarding fits for the next 15 minutes.
Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: Ack-Ack on August 12, 2013, 05:57:53 PM
Not really surprised at the replys, but saddened. To many just accepted poor behavior  :(.

It's not poor behavior at all, attacking bases is part of the game whether you like it or not.  Just because you can't be bothered to defend a base doesn't mean the other sides should be penalized for attacking a base.

ack-ack
Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: Arlo on August 12, 2013, 05:58:42 PM
... and some might be busy eating a burrito so some mindless base hoarding fits for the next 15 minutes.


Mmmmm .....

(http://www.muchoburrito.com/en-us/wp-content/themes/mucho/images/menu/mucho-burrito-menu.png)

Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: Arlo on August 12, 2013, 06:00:03 PM
Well, if HT wanted base taking and such part of the game he would model C-47s and drunks and .... oh wait.  ;)
Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: whiteman on August 12, 2013, 06:07:37 PM
I prefer they keep coming, thats how i get most my kills. I enjoy flying caps for CV's and intercepting inbound Jabos/buffs. I fly with the map open if I'm not in a fight, it's not that hard and looking at a map and scanning for the next hot spot isn't that troublesome either. Each map has certain areas that are always full of activity, if it's dead in those spots it won't be long before it's a target rich environment.
Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: RotBaron on August 12, 2013, 06:36:02 PM
I used to hate the horde.

Now I love it. Sure I still don't get to land a lot. But c'mon it's really fun to see so many targets and be able to pick out the ones I want to engage.

More hordes please :)

Onward with threshing oar, their only goal - the western shore! 

Fight the Horde man! sing & cry Valhalla I'm coming.
Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: Delirium on August 12, 2013, 07:01:18 PM
A novice and their P38 are easily parted. Why complain about them? From my perspective, half of them kill themselves on the initial dive anyway.

(http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff14/DeliriumP38/P38L.gif)
Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: The Fugitive on August 12, 2013, 07:19:38 PM
The only time a mob raid results in no combat is when no one chooses to defend.  Rarely is there a raid that can't be reached from some base before the field is taken.  If I'm too busy, meh, I must be having fun doing something else.  

Players are having fun running these.  Some may want to avoid combat or really want to win the war, some may want to poke a stick in someones eye to try and start up a furball, and some might be busy eating a burrito so some mindless base hoarding fits for the next 15 minutes.



And the reason many don't defend is because it is frustrating and discouraging. You can only up so many times before being ganged by 5 and 6 to 1 odds wears you down, wheres the fun in that? And upping from another field???? LOL!!! right! If the horde is half decent at the attack (they don't even have to be all that good really) they are landing at there newly captured base before you can get there. That happen that quick.

It's not poor behavior at all, attacking bases is part of the game whether you like it or not.  Just because you can't be bothered to defend a base doesn't mean the other sides should be penalized for attacking a base.

ack-ack

maybe poor behavior isn't the right term. How about poor game play?

As a "war" and battle tactics it is a great plan. Get in fast do the most damage with the least casualties and get the job done BEFORE the enemy knows what hit them.

As a game only one side is allowed to have fun as the defenders are over run with the same simple but effective plan time after time after time. How can they have fun? I know, lets build our own horde and go grab undefended bases ourselves! And so we end up with the game play we have now.

In AW, the Mafia would go head to head with CAF, or the Muskateers, and many other squads. Fights over a field could last all night. Thats the kind of game play we are missing. Too many people worrying about score, or base counts, or just plain FAILING at their missions to try it.

Keep it simple, and bring a lot of bombs :rolleyes:  ya that sounds like a lot of fun.
Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: Arlo on August 12, 2013, 07:22:20 PM
It'll be ok.  :D
Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: bcadoo on August 12, 2013, 07:26:15 PM
A novice and their P38 are easily parted. Why complain about them? From my perspective, half of them kill themselves on the initial dive anyway.

(http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff14/DeliriumP38/P38L.gif)

If only I could get my P-38 up to 5,000 K....
Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: Ack-Ack on August 12, 2013, 07:35:29 PM

And the reason many don't defend is because it is frustrating and discouraging. You can only up so many times before being ganged by 5 and 6 to 1 odds wears you down, wheres the fun in
maybe poor behavior isn't the right term. How about poor game play?

 

It isn't poor game play either.

ack-ack
Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: Flench on August 12, 2013, 07:56:50 PM
I bet when one dies and HT make's it where you can't leave the tower for 15 minute's thing's would change .
Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: John Galt on August 12, 2013, 08:06:09 PM
Everyone play the game Jager's way or don't play at all...that is all I got from this post.
Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: Vudak on August 12, 2013, 08:12:39 PM
Sheesh after all the years of us complaining about hordes coming in NOE and hiding from combat, they finally take the time to climb to alt (giving defenders time too) and we're still complaining  :rolleyes:

It shouldn't be that hard to figure out what squads are running these missions, when they typically run them, and then scrambling with your friends.  It could even be fun :aok
Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: -27th- on August 12, 2013, 08:24:21 PM
As a Rook and on the receiving end of these raids :cry, I don't see anything wrong with them. I think they are great :rock, fun to defend :cheers: and whole point of the game :joystick:. Good for them for organizing.  :salute Do what you can  :airplane: and have fun.  :aok

 :salute
27th
Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: Iraqvet on August 12, 2013, 08:44:13 PM
People not playing like Jager wants them to  :frown: Furthermore he does not want to be bothered to defend bases from attacks because it takes too much effort  :headscratch:
Could spot this whine thread from a mile away  :ahand
More fun will be had overall when certain people realize they not going to control how others play the game, run missions, hoards, furballs, btards, ho's, vulches, field ack, etc etc.
Put all that energy into the one thing you can control..."yourself".... and game becomes a lot of fun.
Don't let the game .....GAME you.  :aok
Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: Oldman731 on August 12, 2013, 08:54:31 PM
In AW, the Mafia would go head to head with CAF, or the Muskateers, and many other squads. Fights over a field could last all night. Thats the kind of game play we are missing. Too many people worrying about score, or base counts, or just plain FAILING at their missions to try it.


Different times, different player base, and different game mechanics.  The AW crowd had more older guys, more WWII a/c afficionados, virtually no experience with other multi-player games (they didn't exist, remember?), and the game itself did not emphasize land-grab the way AH always has.  Do you remember ever rolling a map in AW?  No?  That's because you couldn't.  Do you recall what your perk point total was in AW?  No?  Same thing.  When I came to AH my only disappointment was HTC's emphasis on base capture.  That was a dozen years ago.  The details and methods have changed many times since, but so long as you reward people for conquering another country, you have to expect that people are going to want to capture the other country.

- oldman
Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: Agent360 on August 12, 2013, 09:01:43 PM
For at least an hour there is a base to base furball/fight.

Hey look there is a dar bar over base xyz. Looks like a few green guys on the base.....

So a bunch of fun police up buffs and/or heavy attack planes and fly over to kill the FH....give a bunch of high fives on country channel and yell "lets take the base"

Meanwhile they leave the VH up...on a base with no counter spawn or forget there is a VH spawn from another base.

Next flight in there are a crap load of ostis/whirbles everywhere and none of the town is down...not even ack.

First thing I hear on country vox is...hey we killed the FH lets take the base....5 min later there is no fight because it was nothing more than a BS mission. Nobody ups to attack or defend no because the IDIOT fun police think they know how to play "strategy". LOLOLOL

Next dar bar to spawn on a map results in the same thing.

If your gonna take a base then do it...DON'T FLY IN LIKE A HERO AND KILL ANY FIGHT BECAUSE YOU THINK THATS WHAT NEEDS DOING.

PS- would be interesting to hear some more botched fight/game play killing antics that go on all the time....please post...popcorn ready.
Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: Arlo on August 12, 2013, 09:04:01 PM
 :huh
Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: bustr on August 12, 2013, 09:34:57 PM
Those P38's could all run in NOE and popup at the last leveling your town with an M3 or C47 waiting near by. It would take about 20-30 of them. A third would die to the initial town ack if they choose an airfield with the town 1-2 miles from it's field. The remaining with 2-1000 and rockets would level the town and kill ack in 30 seconds. By the time of the first lifter, troops would be out. And all those P38's looking for something to shoot at would keep the troops safe. Three boxes of lancs with 14-1000lb leading the popup of 10-20 P38 would make it work better absorbing the ack fire and killing most of it on their first pass. Then the P38 would have a cake walk mopping up the town with bombs, rockets and killing any uppers the lancs didn't get.

Exactly how 30 Squadron from Australia hit Japanese bases on new guinea along with AAF B25 and A20 squadrons as their standard mission. The British ran daylight NOE medium bomber assaults on factories in Holland early in the war. So small hoards assaulting targets from sea and ground level was SOP in WW2.

P38 doing the same thing above radar is them giving you a sporting chance to see and stop them.

I can't help but noticing these complaints seem to hide an obvious fact. The only way some want anything attacked in this game anymore is from a position of weakness that can easily be destroyed by defenders with minimal effort. In many cases that is how an attack "can only fail". There has been a concerted effort in the last few years to stigmatize anyone who organizes other players to help them capture anything too easily. Kind of an effort at the dumbing down of Aces High in favor of a steady state boring status quo for the defenders. Attackers = Evil Sneaky People

No body agrees for the most part to load up ord to go capture a field thinking they won't capture that objective. My own squad loads up ord to whizz on a field to start fights for the sake of a fight most of the time. Then the green guys follow us and attempt a base capture. But, back to the other players loading up ord.

They don't play this game thinking about the OP of this post that we should all just amble on over there, then notify everyone like ideots, we are here and want to fight you for this base. What's the point? The capture by that method will never happen given in this game how we love hoarding missions once we know their location. Unless you show up with 60 bombers and shut the whole base down in one pass while PMing the OP of his field status.

HOST: dude!!!! your field is dead.................

The point for the players to agree to the time and trouble is to "capture the field". You show up without bombs to start furballs. No one signs an agreement to play this game by rules of game play conventions or limitations on game player association. The only ones I've ever seen are in game and this forum by "Politically Correct Nannies" trying to force everyone else to play in the MA their way without first agreeing to take over paying the other players subscriptions as the coercion for compliance.

My compliments to the P38 hoard. Half the time these days you look for knights. Half of them are sitting in a tank somewhere drinking beer and ignoring the air game while they shoot the same two or three guys in the back while they keep respawing in front of them. Tried it one night recently and landed 9 kills. Sure is not as nerve wracking and uncertain as air to air ACM combat. Kind of addictive like playing Windows solitaire. Just push a button 9 times in a row, then land a kill string. At least no one whines about being HO'd. Just, dang wher'd that MF hide himself, when Dr7 nails em.
Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: Mongoose on August 12, 2013, 09:47:58 PM
getting sick of the flash mobs pf P-38's flying in heavy at 15k, and killing the hangers on the first pass? Sole purpose of missions like these are to shorten and minimize combat to the maximum degree possible.
{/quote]

This is called "tactics".

I submit that those doing these types of raids are in fact playing the game wrong.
{/quote]

This is called "whining", and "poor sportsmanship".

If you don't like their tactics, develop your own to counter it.  Don't demand that the referee change the rules.
Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: Prof. Fate on August 12, 2013, 10:03:38 PM
getting sick of the flash mobs pf P-38's flying in heavy at 15k, and killing the hangers on the first pass? Sole purpose of missions like these are to shorten and minimize combat to the maximum degree possible. Considering this is an air/ground combat game, I submit that those doing these types of raids are infact playing the game wrong.

Flame resistant underwear in place, check. Open fire!!!

Flame resistant underwear!? Where do you purchase such? I will post more..

All is fair in love and war! Ergo, you cannot play the game wrong. Simple as that..

If it irks you, give your foe an ice water enema. What the heck am I suggesting? I can't give you the answer, but it
will come to you just as easily as accidentally peeing on someones foot in the restroom at a local club.
Btw, not always an accident. Woot!

PS; Flash mobs are always better in D38! :O   
Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: MrGeezer on August 12, 2013, 11:05:43 PM
P-38's make excellent BIG targets.

Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: asterix on August 13, 2013, 05:28:27 AM
I do not have anything bad to say about the guys making big missions and their choice of aircraft. Many times it creates frustration because most of the defenders are furballing with the other country who has not captured any bases. They keep doing that even after several bases have been captured. Pork the ords, monitor the dar bar etc many things can be done to stop the horde. The whining that starts when we start to lose bases is a lot more disturbing than the horde itself.

Some people want to get the JU87, SBD, TBM out of the hangars more as the "real CV destroyers" etc. Those slow cumbersome planes do not belong in the late war arena imho. If you want an extra challenge and perks fly them, but they would just be sitting ducks in most cases.

Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: uptown on August 13, 2013, 05:48:49 AM
I wish more players realized the fun in doing off the wall missions like Stuka, SBD or P40 raids. What can be more fun than 3 or 4 Stukas hot on a pony's arse!  :lol Some of the funnest missions I've ever taken part in were stupid like that. One of the craziest missions I ever went on I think Karaya or Akak, maybe TwinBoom, came up with and that was B5Ns or D3As (can't remember which) loaded with torpedoes and we headed out to flatten a Vbase  :lol By the time we got done we were all dead and torpedoes was sticking up like telephone poles all over the base!  :banana: I still laugh when I think about that.  :rock
Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: Nathan60 on August 13, 2013, 05:58:47 AM
Don't want the base shut down pork some ords.
Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: Debrody on August 13, 2013, 06:26:13 AM
People not playing like Jager wants them to  :frown: Furthermore he does not want to be bothered to defend bases from attacks because it takes too much effort  :headscratch:
Could spot this whine thread from a mile away  :ahand
More fun will be had overall when certain people realize they not going to control how others play the game, run missions, hoards, furballs, btards, ho's, vulches, field ack, etc etc.
Put all that energy into the one thing you can control..."yourself".... and game becomes a lot of fun.
Don't let the game .....GAME you.  :aok

Listen here, seen you playing. You have ran a Spitfire mark 9 from a 190 D9, straight to your base ack, even when you had altitude advantage over me. You bet killed in a GV? Grab a tempon and btard, thats it, well done. Yet you use to brag how the people are low, how lame they are, also how awesome you are. What the hell, how the sky dont fall down on your face, you awesomest internet-though noone, you.

Anything what i hated in this game is painted right on your face.
Shame on you, even if you dont know this phrase.
 :bhead


Im saying this even when i disagree with Jager just the same as you do.
Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: uptown on August 13, 2013, 06:28:53 AM
 :huh
Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: Debrody on August 13, 2013, 06:32:01 AM
Just wanted to say that he has no rights to judge that kid. Thats all. Sorry for this rant.
Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: Arlo on August 13, 2013, 07:28:49 AM
Just wanted to say that he has no rights to judge that kid. Thats all. Sorry for this rant.

Seems perception rants about how others play was how this thread started.

It's ok.  :D
Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: drmoo on August 13, 2013, 07:34:51 AM
My 15 bucks is worth more then yours do what I say!!!! :rolleyes: :neener:
Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: Debrody on August 13, 2013, 07:42:25 AM
Seems perception rants about how others play was how this thread started.

It's ok.  :D
For me, even a horde of vulchers worths more than a tempon btard who is teasing others. doh.
Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: Iraqvet on August 13, 2013, 07:52:35 AM
Listen here, seen you playing. You have ran a Spitfire mark 9 from a 190 D9, straight to your base ack, even when you had altitude advantage over me. You bet killed in a GV? Grab a tempon and btard, thats it, well done. Yet you use to brag how the people are low, how lame they are, also how awesome you are. What the hell, how the sky dont fall down on your face, you awesomest internet-though noone, you.

Anything what i hated in this game is painted right on your face.
Shame on you, even if you dont know this phrase.
 :bhead


Im saying this even when i disagree with Jager just the same as you do.

Debrody

Your fussing about me using ack and btarding above is yet another example of why it is people like yourself loose it every five minutes in the game on 200ch and rage. Boils down to you cannot control how the enemy plays no matter if you LIKE how they play and kill you or not. As for bragging...I am no better than anyone else in the game and have never suggested I was ...These are assumptions produced by your own brain.  Your comments however on the subject suggest insecurity at a personal level, and just pure hate.
Ill leave it at this Debrody you a good guy you just let game get to you.....I might buy your argument if it wasn't just me that you explode and rage at on 200ch when they kill you "In a way you don't see fit" every time you log on.
 
Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: Arlo on August 13, 2013, 07:55:50 AM
For me, even a horde of vulchers worths more than a tempon btard who is teasing others. doh.

For me, I don't waste my time making up the other guy's motivation or skill behind
what he does in the game.  

Behavior rant threads are kinda like crying in public to garner sympathy over something
that doesn't really deserve it.

Thanks for taking the opportunity to vent in someone else's vent thread that was going
downhill just fine on it's own.  :aok
Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: Debrody on August 13, 2013, 08:08:05 AM
Its a holy fin air COMBAT game.
I was paying for this most expensive game on the market to find air COMBAT.
Figured that if im flying a spitfire, noone is going to fight me because of my plane's superior handling. So i choosed the worst turnfighter in the planeset, the 190 D.
Giving away EVERY single advantage i had, you still ran away, straight to your ack, after one fricken ho pass.
What ever else could i do to play this game the way it was designed to?
Yet im the idiot. Yes, i am, for not showing my fist to your face.
Go, dig a hole, you statue of fair play you.
pos.
Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: Arlo on August 13, 2013, 08:14:24 AM
Its a holy fin air COMBAT game.
I was paying for this most expensive game on the market to find air COMBAT.
Figured that if im flying a spitfire, noone is going to fight me because of my plane's superior handling. So i (chose) the worst turn-fighter in the plane-set, the 190 D.
Giving away EVERY single advantage i had, you still ran away, straight to your ack, after one fricken ho pass.
What ever else could i do to play this game the way it was designed to?
Yet im the idiot. Yes, i am, for not showing my fist to your face.
Go, dig a hole, you statue of fair play you.
pos.

This game was designed around you? I'm kinda doubting that.

Well, they say admitting your own problem is the first and hardest step and you're almost there.
I, for one, am half proud of you.
Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: titanic3 on August 13, 2013, 08:28:54 AM
Can't fix stupid so why bother?  :)
Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: Slate on August 13, 2013, 08:31:27 AM
  IN before the pissing match gets out of control.  :rolleyes:

   The real problem is not players putting together a mission using the assets available but the lack of will of the opposing country to defend.
 
Don't want the base shut down pork some ords.

   This  ^^^^     When 1 fighter with 1 bomb can easily disable a small base's ord.

  Yesterday a prime example, P-38 raid called out on vox and text. (Rook) Coming in at 7k to A-7. 7k? Plenty of time to get up and to alt but few respond. Base taken. Time of day is a big factor as the bish had numbers and they devised these p-38 raids to compensate for eny restrictions. Some don't care about the base being taken and only care about the fight that is now closer. Others are chess players and they just lost a piece.
   I find myself of both mindsets at different times.  :D    
Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: Dragon on August 13, 2013, 08:34:23 AM
Its a holy fin air COMBAT game.
I was paying for this most expensive game on the market to find air COMBAT.
Figured that if im flying a spitfire, noone is going to fight me because of my plane's superior handling. So i choosed the worst turnfighter in the planeset, the 190 D.
Giving away EVERY single advantage i had, you still ran away, straight to your ack, after one fricken ho pass.
What ever else could i do to play this game the way it was designed to?
Yet im the idiot. Yes, i am, for not showing my fist to your face.
Go, dig a hole, you statue of fair play you.
pos.

Damn dude.....miss your aromatherapy treatment today?
Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: Debrody on August 13, 2013, 08:35:55 AM
This game was designed around you? I'm kinda doubting that.

Well, they say admitting your own problem is the first and hardest step and you're almost there.
I, for one, am half proud of you.
Im not your kid. Keep that in mind.

Im pretty damn fin sure that this game was designed to give air combat to those who pay, not to whatch a spit9 running to his ack from a d9. Thoughts? Nothing.
If im the only one thinking this way, then the problem is in me. Either way, who is acting cowardly in a combat "game", that has no rights on earth to judge me or anyone else.

End of the story.
Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: Triton28 on August 13, 2013, 08:36:33 AM
This game was designed around you? I'm kinda doubting that.

Well, they say admitting your own problem is the first and hardest step and you're almost there.
I, for one, am half proud of you.

What Debrody wants is for people to fight him.  In the MA, that's really not much to ask.

What most everybody else knows is that he's better than they are.  They don't really want to die and give him satisfaction, so they run because they know that will set him off.

You really don't need to comment on every discussion you run across.
Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: Iraqvet on August 13, 2013, 08:37:38 AM
Damn dude.....miss your aromatherapy treatment today?
:rofl :rofl :rofl  :aok
Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: Plawranc on August 13, 2013, 08:37:42 AM
If you want to survive?

Play like a coward... the best fighter pilots in the world were cowards.

however... if you want fun and challenging gameplay.

Fly like a moron. You jump in the middle and kill as many of them before they kill you, sooner or later you might actually come out alive.


Albert Ball was one of the finest fighter pilots who ever flew... yet he got killed because he kept being a hero when it was all about playing as a team... The Red Baron killed 80 aircraft... because he snuck up on them, killed them, and then ran away before anyone could get him. He is renowned as the deadliest ace of WW1 yet he would be ridiculed as a noob in AH2's community.

All about perception.
Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: Debrody on August 13, 2013, 08:40:04 AM
What Debrody wants is for people to fight him.  In the MA, that's really not much to ask.

What most everybody else knows is that he's better than they are.  They don't really want to die and give him satisfaction, so they run because they know that will set him off.
Almost.
But even if you dont fight me, who cares, i ignore you and find those who have blood to play. My point is, if someone is a coward, he should simply stay in the silence of shame instead of peppering those he got a kill on.
Thats the way it goes where i do live.
Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: Arlo on August 13, 2013, 08:47:47 AM
Im not your kid. Keep that in mind.

Im pretty damn fin sure that this game was designed to give air combat to those who pay, not to whatch a spit9 running to his ack from a d9. Thoughts? Nothing.
If im the only one thinking this way, then the problem is in me. Either way, who is acting cowardly in a combat "game", that has no rights on earth to judge me or anyone else.

End of the story.

Well, rights on earth to judge is the whole point of a hissy behavior thread, after-all. You
pretend to own that role a lot. So much so that you'll take over from any op to 'make a point.'
Try getting over yourself for half an hour, no matter who mis-raised you.  :D
Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: Iraqvet on August 13, 2013, 08:48:10 AM
If you want to survive?

Play like a coward... the best fighter pilots in the world were cowards.

however... if you want fun and challenging gameplay.

Fly like a moron. You jump in the middle and kill as many of them before they kill you, sooner or later you might actually come out alive.


Albert Ball was one of the finest fighter pilots who ever flew... yet he got killed because he kept being a hero when it was all about playing as a team... The Red Baron killed 80 aircraft... because he snuck up on them, killed them, and then ran away before anyone could get him. He is renowned as the deadliest ace of WW1 yet he would be ridiculed as a noob in AH2's community.

All about perception.
:old: Spot on.... Furthermore is it the pilots fault that is running to the ack that the pilot who is chasing him dies because he flew into enemy ack? NO it is not. This strat is effective ONLY if enemy is dumb enough to fall for it.
A smart enemy will use "ALL" tools to kill his enemy, from trees at ground level during ACM, to Ho's, to field ack, to Btards, to HVAPS, right down to enemy's poor SA. There will always be those that call any number of these that I just listed as cowardly because they fall victim to it. I'm not even immune to the above and die everyday to it but I don't curse people out or call them cowardly, call them names etc. I accept that it is part of gameplay and move on.  :airplane:
Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: Arlo on August 13, 2013, 08:50:54 AM
What Debrody wants is for people to fight him.  In the MA, that's really not much to ask.

What most everybody else knows is that he's better than they are.  They don't really want to die and give him satisfaction, so they run because they know that will set him off.

You really don't need to comment on every discussion you run across.

What are you, Debrody's ego-guard? And what's with this discouragement of
commenting in threads as you jump into a thread to defend him thing?  :lol
Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: Arlo on August 13, 2013, 08:52:28 AM
Almost.
But even if you dont fight me, who cares, i ignore you and find those who have blood to play. My point is, if someone is a coward, he should simply stay in the silence of shame instead of peppering those he got a kill on.
Thats the way it goes where i do live.

Actually ... you care. Waaaaay too much.  ;)

'Blood to pay?' .... really?  :rofl
Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: Triton28 on August 13, 2013, 09:09:04 AM
What are you, Debrody's ego-guard? And what's with this discouragement of
commenting in threads as you jump into a thread to defend him thing?  :lol

No. 

The discouragement is just me picking a fight with you.  You're not very sharp today, are you?
Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: Debrody on August 13, 2013, 09:10:57 AM
'Blood to pay?' .... really?  :rofl
Really. Problem?
Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: Arlo on August 13, 2013, 09:14:19 AM
No. 

The discouragement is just me picking a fight with you.  You're not very sharp today, are you?

That's picking a fight? Sharp as a tennis ball your-own-self, eh?  :lol
Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: Arlo on August 13, 2013, 09:15:51 AM
Really. Problem?

Not mine. Too many Clint Eastwood movies during your online personality formation?  :aok
Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: Triton28 on August 13, 2013, 09:18:28 AM
That's picking a fight? Sharp as a tennis ball your-own-self, eh?  :lol

Well, as best I can.  You being the BBS warrior though, I only have a small window before you start to Google pics and pwn me.



Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: Arlo on August 13, 2013, 09:20:59 AM
Well, as best I can.  You being the BBS warrior though, I only have a small window before you start to Google pics and pwn me.

Is this still 'picking a fight?'  :lol
Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: Triton28 on August 13, 2013, 09:22:47 AM
Is this still 'picking a fight?'  :lol

No... it's not working.  Now I'm just making fun of you and you're running to ack.

BBS imitates game.   :)
Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: Debrody on August 13, 2013, 09:23:24 AM
Not mine. Too many Clint Eastwood movies during your online personality formation?  :aok
Not a single one.
I have paid for something. Got the exact opposition, plus the intardnet toughboys like you trying to tell me what an idiot i am for looking for a fight in a combat sim. Thanks.

Anything else? Anyone else?
Try to communicate with me in my native language and see how far you get lol.
Delirious.
Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: Arlo on August 13, 2013, 09:24:54 AM
No... it's not working.  Now I'm just making fun of you and you're running to ack.

BBS imitates game.   :)

Rationalization that boggles a sane mind, I tell ya.  :aok
Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: Arlo on August 13, 2013, 09:26:22 AM
Not a single one.
I have paid for something. Got the exact opposition, plus the intardnet toughboys like you trying to tell me what an idiot i am for looking for a fight in a combat sim. Thanks.

Anything else? Anyone else?
Try to communicate with me in my native language and see how far you get lol.
Delirious.

Actually, I get that you're an idiot by what you post on the BBS. You've
been asking for confirmation of that for several posts now.

Insecure much?  :D

And your native language appears to be 'stupid.' As such ... nope ... no speakie Debrody.  :aok
Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: Debrody on August 13, 2013, 09:28:14 AM
See Rule #12
Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: icepac on August 13, 2013, 09:30:19 AM
It's not hard to anticipate the enemy's next move because they do the same thing over and over.
Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: Arlo on August 13, 2013, 09:31:13 AM
See Rule #12
Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: Triton28 on August 13, 2013, 09:45:12 AM
Does that translate to 'If at first you make no sense, resort to your native tongue?'  ;)

 :rofl

Google can do more than find your pictures, sweetie. 
Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: Arlo on August 13, 2013, 09:54:31 AM
:rofl

Google can do more than find your pictures, sweetie. 

So now I'm supposed to waste more of my time using a half-arse online
translator to see if Debody makes more sense in his native tongue?

Darling, sell crazy to someone else.  :D

Why don't the both of you just go back to whining about how unfair it
is to be so 'good' in the arenas.  ;)
Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: SirNuke on August 13, 2013, 10:01:22 AM
If ypu have nothing to contribute positivly to the thread stay out of it :old:

I have nothing against P38 raids, they are free kills. However when they are all dead and the hangars with them, nothing can stop the stealth M3's'to capture the base with a 100 troops drop.

Even if you can see the delayed red darbar in time, even an orgnized group  has little chance to stop the attack.

Allowing M3's'to ressuply town stoped any counter attack mechanic and was a very bad idea imo. More is not better.
Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: Arlo on August 13, 2013, 10:06:37 AM
If ypu have nothing to contribute positivly to the thread stay out of it :old:

I have nothing against P38 raids, they are free kills. However when they are all dead and the hangars with them, nothing can stop the stealth M3's'to capture the base with a 100 troops drop.

Even if you can see the delayed red darbar in time, even an orgnized group  has little chance to stop the attack.

Allowing M3's'to ressuply town stoped any counter attack mechanic and was a very bad idea imo. More is not better.

I'm looking for the positive in your post. No offense but I see no suggestion to fix this 'problem.'
Nor am I anymore convinced that there is one. Sometimes you just lose a base even when you try to
defend. More so when you don't even try. It really is a part of the game, no matter how much anyone
decides they hate it happening to them and that a thread is needed to somehow stop it.
Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: Triton28 on August 13, 2013, 10:09:45 AM
So now I'm supposed to waste more of my time using a half-arse online
translator to see if Debody makes more sense in his native tongue?

Oh it won't be a picture perfect translation, but you'll get the gist.  Surely you'll not waste more time than you do digging up the constant stream of pictures you post.   :aok

Darling, sell crazy to someone else.  :D

Ok babe.   :aok

Why don't the both of you just go back to whining about how unfair it
is to be so 'good' in the arenas.  ;)

Rationalization that boggles the mind, I tell ya.   :aok



   

Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: Debrody on August 13, 2013, 10:16:06 AM
+1 to the ignorelist.  :aok

Looking forward to shoot your arse in-game  :aok
Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: Arlo on August 13, 2013, 10:24:45 AM
Oh it won't be a picture perfect translation, but you'll get the gist.  Surely you'll not waste more time than you do digging up the constant stream of pictures you post.   :aok

Ok babe.   :aok

Rationalization that boggles the mind, I tell ya.   :aok

Maybe you're not getting this - Debrody hijacking a thread to
impress us apparently works on few (you, for instance).  :aok
Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: Arlo on August 13, 2013, 10:25:52 AM
+1 to the ignorelist.  :aok

Looking forward to shoot your arse in-game  :aok

Glad I could help you out with your depression over having nothing
much left to live for in AHII. My life is now complete.  :D
Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: Triton28 on August 13, 2013, 11:26:52 AM
Maybe you're not getting this - Debrody hijacking a thread to
impress us apparently works on few (you, for instance).  :aok

He responded to IraqVet's semi-troll of the OP. 

If you actually played the game rather than honing your BBS ethos, you'd probably have seen those dudes throwing jabs at each other on 200 a good bit.  It ain't new and it's kinda funny.  Sort of like your yuk yuk post count additions.   :aok
Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: Arlo on August 13, 2013, 11:41:12 AM
He responded to IraqVet's semi-troll of the OP.  

If you actually played the game rather than honing your BBS ethos, you'd probably have seen those dudes throwing jabs at each other on 200 a good bit.  It ain't new and it's kinda funny.  Sort of like your yuk yuk post count additions.   :aok


He had a hissy and made a personal attack because he thinks he has the upper
ground when it comes to character. If you can't see the irony in that then it's
no wonder you defend Debrody when he acts out. That's called enabling (in it's
negative sense) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enabling).

I outgrew channel 200 years ago. If Debrody wants to spend his time in the arena
having hissies on that channel, as well, and you enjoy it, well I guess that's your
happy place. His having to bring it to the forum, on top of that, indicates his having a bit
of a problem (that you apparently respect for some odd reason).

Consider my yuk yuk posts a more creative waste of time than trying to whine
and chest pound on the internet when between sorties or on the forum.  :aok

 :D
Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: Ack-Ack on August 13, 2013, 12:13:56 PM
One of the craziest missions I ever went on I think Karaya or Akak, maybe TwinBoom, came up with and that was B5Ns or D3As (can't remember which) loaded with torpedoes and we headed out to flatten a Vbase  :lol By the time we got done we were all dead and torpedoes was sticking up like telephone poles all over the base!  :banana: I still laugh when I think about that.  :rock

That was one of Karaya's "Candy Mountain" missions and it was probably the funniest mission I've ever taken part in. 

ack-ack
Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: Scca on August 13, 2013, 12:29:35 PM
If you want to survive?

Play like a coward... the best fighter pilots in the world were cowards.

however... if you want fun and challenging gameplay.

Fly like a moron. You jump in the middle and kill as many of them before they kill you, sooner or later you might actually come out alive.


Albert Ball was one of the finest fighter pilots who ever flew... yet he got killed because he kept being a hero when it was all about playing as a team... The Red Baron killed 80 aircraft... because he snuck up on them, killed them, and then ran away before anyone could get him. He is renowned as the deadliest ace of WW1 yet he would be ridiculed as a noob in AH2's community.

All about perception.
The difference here is the Red Baron's chances of more than one death were zero.  You see, this is a GAME, and normally it's silly to play a GAME where your general intent is to avoid contact with another player.  YMMV

Its a holy fin air COMBAT game.
I was paying for this most expensive game on the market to find air COMBAT.
Figured that if im flying a spitfire, noone is going to fight me because of my plane's superior handling. So i choosed the worst turnfighter in the planeset, the 190 D.
Giving away EVERY single advantage i had, you still ran away, straight to your ack, after one fricken ho pass.
What ever else could i do to play this game the way it was designed to?
Yet im the idiot. Yes, i am, for not showing my fist to your face.
Go, dig a hole, you statue of fair play you.
pos.
Seems like someone is having a bad day. 

Debrody, question.  Can you describe what the game is "designed to [do]"?  If you say "air combat" you better check the hanger.  Them's tanks in thar... 
Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: Debrody on August 13, 2013, 12:56:49 PM
Debrody, question.  Can you describe what the game is "designed to [do]"?  If you say "air combat" you better check the hanger.  Them's tanks in thar... 
There are like 100 planes against like 15-20 tanks. Meaningless, anyways. The keyword was "combat", not running away even when holding all the cards.
Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: Arlo on August 13, 2013, 01:09:04 PM
There are like 100 planes against like 15-20 tanks. Meaningless, anyways. The keyword was "combat", not running away even when holding all the cards.

(Although you ran to your ignore button to avoid dealing with this)

What was your point other than to condemn Iraqivet for not having as
much character as you even though you agreed with his post, again?

We are talking about 'key words' and 'points' now, right?  :D
Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: Triton28 on August 13, 2013, 01:13:45 PM
He had a hissy and made a personal attack because he thinks he has the upper
ground when it comes to character. If you can't see the irony in that then it's
no wonder you defend Debrody when he acts out. That's called enabling (in it's
negative sense) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enabling).

If the game is centered around combat, anybody that would rather fight than run does have the upper hand.  What do you believe the game is centered around?

I outgrew channel 200 years ago. If Debrody wants to spend his time in the arena
having hissies on that channel, as well, and you enjoy it, well I guess that's your
happy place. His having to bring it to the forum, on top of that, indicates his having a bit
of a problem (that you apparently respect for some odd reason).

Debrody knows what his weaknesses are without your Dr. Derp diagnosis.  I'm sorry he and IV brought their axe grinding over into your domain.   :aok

Consider my yuk yuk posts a more creative waste of time than trying to whine
and chest pound on the internet when between sorties or on the forum.  :aok

 :D

That's the problem.  It's not even creative.  It's just pictures and emoticons.   :aok
Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: Arlo on August 13, 2013, 01:34:29 PM
If the game is centered around combat, anybody that would rather fight than run does have the upper hand.  What do you believe the game is centered around?

You're not describing 'combat.' You're describing a 'joust' or 'boxing match.' Debrody being
fixated on Iraqivet not knowing the meaning of combat and making character attacks on him
because he doesn't play the game the way Debrody wants him to is the very essence of
irony. First, nobody should get so emotionally and personally involved that they devolve
to that level of immaturity. Having some immature fun and admitting it is far removed from
having an immature personality and being unwilling to. Secondly, if Debrody relies on his
game 'rep/skill' to prove he has more character than players that apparently can pizz him off
without intent or effort then do you really think anyone should be as adoring of him as you?

Having said that, this game is 'centered' around everything in it's design. And yes, that really
does include getting out of a fight as well as into one, no matter what the circumstance. If
Debrody really is constantly giving everyone an advantage all the time then I seriously doubt
he's puttering around the arena 24/7 without anything to do but type anguish and frustration
to all or to specific individuals he's decided to judge as unfit for the game or his company.

Honestly, I'm with the poster that suggested he just rage quit, whether he gets over it and
returns or not. Players like Debrody probably cost this game more than benefit it.

Debrody knows what his weaknesses are without your Dr. Derp diagnosis.  I'm sorry he and IV brought their axe grinding over into your domain.   :aok

If he does, he's beyond caring. I was talking to you about being just as much a problem.  :aok

That's the problem.  It's not even creative.  It's just pictures and emoticons.   :aok

But it's not a hissy and as uncreative as you assess it to be, I'm not seeing the hissy and
hissy support group being more-so.

Are you done yet? Why don't you put me on ignore like your game-daddy did?  :aok
Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: Grayclif on August 13, 2013, 01:44:46 PM
Whiner.

HAIL GRAYCLIF
Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: Scca on August 13, 2013, 01:59:33 PM
There are like 100 planes against like 15-20 tanks. Meaningless, anyways. The keyword was "combat", not running away even when holding all the cards.
Fair enough, but the ratio is meaningless.  I agree it is a combat game, and if you see my sig, you will see I also agree that running elbows in as a primary defense tactic is pretty lame.  Of course running is the fallback for many that fly 190's and 51's but that's for another thread. 

With that said, many of the best runners aren't the best "fighters", so I "get" why they run... I mean, disengage.  I usually don't chase them far, I just snicker at their fearfulness and call that a victory.

I realized a long time ago I can't control anyone else and let them have their fun.  Getting my blood pressure up over an online game only means I need to take a break or change my outlook. 

 :salute 
Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: uptown on August 13, 2013, 02:21:06 PM
DeBrody, you fly a Dora for goodness sakes! What planes can you not catch man? So why all this talk about runners coming from you?  :headscratch:
Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: Triton28 on August 13, 2013, 02:23:29 PM
You're not describing 'combat.' You're describing a 'joust' or 'boxing match.' Debrody being
fixated on Iraqivet not knowing the meaning of combat and making character attacks on him
because he doesn't play the game the way Debrody wants him to is the very essence of
irony.

Thank you Arlo-Webster.  Combat is opposing an enemy and engaging them in battle.  Fight the urge to run to BBS ack.  Is this game centered around combat?

First, nobody should get so emotionally and personally involved that they devolve
to that level of immaturity. Having some immature fun and admitting it is far removed from
having an immature personality and being unwilling to. Secondly, if Debrody relies on his
game 'rep/skill' to prove he has more character than players that apparently can pizz him off
without intent or effort then do you really think anyone should be as adoring of him as you?

I think you prefer IV's posts over Debrody's because IV uses a healthy dose of emoticons. 

As for the 'rep/skill' thing... I didn't create that.  Some people have a rep/skill for fighting and being good at it.  Others have a rep/skill for avoiding combat under all but ideal circumstances.  Usually a member of the latter club is the one to fuss about 'rep/skill'.       

Having said that, this game is 'centered' around everything in it's design. And yes, that really
does include getting out of a fight as well as into one, no matter what the circumstance.

If I thought you were talking about FSO or Scenarios, I could actually tilt my head and agree to an extent.  One life events require you to fly with an eye towards survival, because your loss has both an impact on short term combat strength and the overall score of the event. 

For the main arena, that's just the lamest thing I've ever read.  You can fly that way, but you can't do much when people call it lame.  I mean really, what are you going to do, shoot them down?   :rofl


If Debrody really is constantly giving everyone an advantage all the time then I seriously doubt
he's puttering around the arena 24/7 without anything to do but type anguish and frustration
to all or to specific individuals he's decided to judge as unfit for the game or his company.

You really have no idea.  You're guessing.  A guess that supports your Dr. Derp diagnosis of him, I might add.

Honestly, I'm with the poster that suggested he just rage quit, whether he gets over it and
returns or not. Players like Debrody probably cost this game more than benefit it.

If he does, he's beyond caring. I was talking to you about being just as much a problem.  :aok

Oh that's right, because I'm enabling him to want to fight.   :aok  I'm also enabling him to give it right back to a player who is constantly in the middle of some sort of fuss.   :aok

If that's what you consider a problem, I'm cool with that.   :aok


But it's not a hissy and as uncreative as you assess it to be, I'm not seeing the hissy and
hissy support group being more-so.

Yes it is.  I pay my $14.95 for the ability to assess your uncreative banter and picture posting.  It's not up to you to tell me how to assess.   :aok

Are you done yet? Why don't you put me on ignore like your game-daddy did?  :aok

Why?  I told you I wanted to pick a fight with you.   :ahand

 :aok
Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: SmokinLoon on August 13, 2013, 02:31:02 PM
getting sick of the flash mobs pf P-38's flying in heavy at 15k, and killing the hangers on the first pass? Sole purpose of missions like these are to shorten and minimize combat to the maximum degree possible. Considering this is an air/ground combat game, I submit that those doing these types of raids are infact playing the game wrong.

Flame resistant underwear in place, check. Open fire!!!

Yeah, the "hordez" are the definition of suckage for the defenders.  Likewise, I feel sorry for the sheep who think they need the 30v1 odds to "winz deh gamz!", and more so level the target base so that there can be no defense.  I learned a long time ago that fighting for a target is no fun, at least for me.  I learned a long time ago that constantly vulching/camping is no fun, at least for me.  If I have to gain the advantage THAT far in order to get a kill, capture a base, etc, then the rewards mean very little.  This goes right along with my mentality that I'd rather fight like mad in a P40 and barely lose than have an easy go while in a La7, Spit16, George, P51D, etc.  

About the only fun a horde presents to the defenders is when they're detected well in advance and they are able to be intercepted and torn apart.  Thing is though, even if 3-4 of the horde monkeys are shot down there are still plenty to level the field, prohibit any defense, and capture the field.  I can't even begin the number of times I've intercepted a horde and either earned a couple of kills or forced a few of them to drop ords yet the base has fallen due to the number of attackers.  

On the other hand, and this is the way I always end my voicing of my disdain for hordes, is that once enough bases are taken and the front shifts enough, there is new scenery to fight over.  This is especially true for the ground game.  If there is anything I'm getting burned out on is the same same I'm seeing on the maps.  Me thinks HTC could really mix things up of they moved the starting fronts on some of the maps.  
Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: Arlo on August 13, 2013, 02:46:16 PM

 ...BBS ack (ignore function) .... 

 ... Usually a member of the (avoiding combat with Debrody) club is the one to fuss about 'rep/skill' (but obviously not this time?) ...       

 ... (I'm guessing that ) You really have no idea ... 

 ... (I'm guessing that) You're guessing. 

 ... Oh that's right, because I'm enabling him to (have hissies on the forum for no good reason) ...   

 ...  I'm also enabling him to (have hissies on the forum for no good reason)  ...

 ... I'm cool with that (cool as a forum member foamed and cross-eyed) ...


... I pay my $14.95 for the (right to have hissies on the forum for no good reason and to support Debrody doing such)

... Why?  I told you I wanted to pick a fight with you.  (I'm just not good at it.)


You 'win' .... heh.  :aok  ;)
Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: Triton28 on August 13, 2013, 02:53:27 PM
You 'win' .... heh.  :aok  ;)

How clever to disguise your uncreative banter in the quote.  I totally didn't see any of it. 

Now post a picture and make me really happy!   :banana:
Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: Arlo on August 13, 2013, 02:55:56 PM
About the only fun a horde presents to the defenders is when they're detected well in advance and they are able to be intercepted and torn apart.

That must be another 'at least for me' perspective. As (at least) for me and my lot/squad/AHII friends, we can spawn
at any base or CV that has large enemy dar activity and have a blast, often fighting with the invading horde long
enough to make them give up or, if they manage to take it, up from the next likely target and stop them there. If the
hangars are down, guess what? We skip to step 2 and still have fun. Perhaps even re-take the captured base.

And not one tear, clenched fist or forum to run to and whine about the fight proving cowardice or skillessness
or geez, whatever it takes to salve frayed emotions/nerves. And certainly the 'lack of combat' some have somehow
inserted into the thread was not in evidence.

What I meant to say is .... our opinions differ.  :P
Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: skorpx1 on August 13, 2013, 02:56:45 PM
What a major pissing contest this is turning out to be.

(http://i.imgur.com/Hkq3c.gif)
Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: Arlo on August 13, 2013, 03:04:00 PM
How clever to disguise your uncreative banter in the quote.  I totally didn't see any of it.  

Now post a picture and make me really happy!   :banana:

You 'win' wasn't good enough? Eh, it never is when it's that time of ... you know .... I guess.

Well, you've been begging for it post after post as if I'm the only candy-man on the block.
Here ya go, kid. Don't gasm in public:

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-pfbh7sQ1SHY/TdFhnFZ26NI/AAAAAAAABxg/_mbPUD_NELk/s1600/Meh.png)

 :lol

Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: RotBaron on August 13, 2013, 03:23:13 PM
DeBrody, you fly a Dora for goodness sakes! What planes can you not catch man? So why all this talk about runners coming from you?  :headscratch:

You are aware he turn fights in it, right? Slow Dora afterward...
Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: RotBaron on August 13, 2013, 03:23:57 PM
:old: Spot on.... Furthermore is it the pilots fault that is running to the ack that the pilot who is chasing him dies because he flew into enemy ack? NO it is not. This strat is effective ONLY if enemy is dumb enough to fall for it.
A smart enemy will use "ALL" tools to kill his enemy, from trees at ground level during ACM, to Ho's, to field ack, to Btards, to HVAPS, right down to enemy's poor SA. There will always be those that call any number of these that I just listed as cowardly because they fall victim to it. I'm not even immune to the above and die everyday to it but I don't curse people out or call them cowardly, call them names etc. I accept that it is part of gameplay and move on.  :airplane:

To include trolling as much as possible.
Title: Re: Anyone else...
Post by: hitech on August 13, 2013, 03:27:50 PM
I believe the pop corn has been already over cooked on this thread.

HITech