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Offline Vudak

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Re: Anyone else...
« Reply #60 on: August 12, 2013, 08:12:39 PM »
Sheesh after all the years of us complaining about hordes coming in NOE and hiding from combat, they finally take the time to climb to alt (giving defenders time too) and we're still complaining  :rolleyes:

It shouldn't be that hard to figure out what squads are running these missions, when they typically run them, and then scrambling with your friends.  It could even be fun :aok
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« Reply #61 on: August 12, 2013, 08:24:21 PM »
As a Rook and on the receiving end of these raids :cry, I don't see anything wrong with them. I think they are great :rock, fun to defend :cheers: and whole point of the game :joystick:. Good for them for organizing.  :salute Do what you can  :airplane: and have fun.  :aok

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« Reply #62 on: August 12, 2013, 08:44:13 PM »
People not playing like Jager wants them to  :frown: Furthermore he does not want to be bothered to defend bases from attacks because it takes too much effort  :headscratch:
Could spot this whine thread from a mile away  :ahand
More fun will be had overall when certain people realize they not going to control how others play the game, run missions, hoards, furballs, btards, ho's, vulches, field ack, etc etc.
Put all that energy into the one thing you can control..."yourself".... and game becomes a lot of fun.
Don't let the game .....GAME you.  :aok
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« Reply #63 on: August 12, 2013, 08:54:31 PM »
In AW, the Mafia would go head to head with CAF, or the Muskateers, and many other squads. Fights over a field could last all night. Thats the kind of game play we are missing. Too many people worrying about score, or base counts, or just plain FAILING at their missions to try it.


Different times, different player base, and different game mechanics.  The AW crowd had more older guys, more WWII a/c afficionados, virtually no experience with other multi-player games (they didn't exist, remember?), and the game itself did not emphasize land-grab the way AH always has.  Do you remember ever rolling a map in AW?  No?  That's because you couldn't.  Do you recall what your perk point total was in AW?  No?  Same thing.  When I came to AH my only disappointment was HTC's emphasis on base capture.  That was a dozen years ago.  The details and methods have changed many times since, but so long as you reward people for conquering another country, you have to expect that people are going to want to capture the other country.

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Re: Anyone else...
« Reply #64 on: August 12, 2013, 09:01:43 PM »
For at least an hour there is a base to base furball/fight.

Hey look there is a dar bar over base xyz. Looks like a few green guys on the base.....

So a bunch of fun police up buffs and/or heavy attack planes and fly over to kill the FH....give a bunch of high fives on country channel and yell "lets take the base"

Meanwhile they leave the VH up...on a base with no counter spawn or forget there is a VH spawn from another base.

Next flight in there are a crap load of ostis/whirbles everywhere and none of the town is down...not even ack.

First thing I hear on country vox is...hey we killed the FH lets take the base....5 min later there is no fight because it was nothing more than a BS mission. Nobody ups to attack or defend no because the IDIOT fun police think they know how to play "strategy". LOLOLOL

Next dar bar to spawn on a map results in the same thing.

If your gonna take a base then do it...DON'T FLY IN LIKE A HERO AND KILL ANY FIGHT BECAUSE YOU THINK THATS WHAT NEEDS DOING.

PS- would be interesting to hear some more botched fight/game play killing antics that go on all the time....please post...popcorn ready.
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Re: Anyone else...
« Reply #65 on: August 12, 2013, 09:04:01 PM »
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« Reply #66 on: August 12, 2013, 09:34:57 PM »
Those P38's could all run in NOE and popup at the last leveling your town with an M3 or C47 waiting near by. It would take about 20-30 of them. A third would die to the initial town ack if they choose an airfield with the town 1-2 miles from it's field. The remaining with 2-1000 and rockets would level the town and kill ack in 30 seconds. By the time of the first lifter, troops would be out. And all those P38's looking for something to shoot at would keep the troops safe. Three boxes of lancs with 14-1000lb leading the popup of 10-20 P38 would make it work better absorbing the ack fire and killing most of it on their first pass. Then the P38 would have a cake walk mopping up the town with bombs, rockets and killing any uppers the lancs didn't get.

Exactly how 30 Squadron from Australia hit Japanese bases on new guinea along with AAF B25 and A20 squadrons as their standard mission. The British ran daylight NOE medium bomber assaults on factories in Holland early in the war. So small hoards assaulting targets from sea and ground level was SOP in WW2.

P38 doing the same thing above radar is them giving you a sporting chance to see and stop them.

I can't help but noticing these complaints seem to hide an obvious fact. The only way some want anything attacked in this game anymore is from a position of weakness that can easily be destroyed by defenders with minimal effort. In many cases that is how an attack "can only fail". There has been a concerted effort in the last few years to stigmatize anyone who organizes other players to help them capture anything too easily. Kind of an effort at the dumbing down of Aces High in favor of a steady state boring status quo for the defenders. Attackers = Evil Sneaky People

No body agrees for the most part to load up ord to go capture a field thinking they won't capture that objective. My own squad loads up ord to whizz on a field to start fights for the sake of a fight most of the time. Then the green guys follow us and attempt a base capture. But, back to the other players loading up ord.

They don't play this game thinking about the OP of this post that we should all just amble on over there, then notify everyone like ideots, we are here and want to fight you for this base. What's the point? The capture by that method will never happen given in this game how we love hoarding missions once we know their location. Unless you show up with 60 bombers and shut the whole base down in one pass while PMing the OP of his field status.

HOST: dude!!!! your field is dead.................

The point for the players to agree to the time and trouble is to "capture the field". You show up without bombs to start furballs. No one signs an agreement to play this game by rules of game play conventions or limitations on game player association. The only ones I've ever seen are in game and this forum by "Politically Correct Nannies" trying to force everyone else to play in the MA their way without first agreeing to take over paying the other players subscriptions as the coercion for compliance.

My compliments to the P38 hoard. Half the time these days you look for knights. Half of them are sitting in a tank somewhere drinking beer and ignoring the air game while they shoot the same two or three guys in the back while they keep respawing in front of them. Tried it one night recently and landed 9 kills. Sure is not as nerve wracking and uncertain as air to air ACM combat. Kind of addictive like playing Windows solitaire. Just push a button 9 times in a row, then land a kill string. At least no one whines about being HO'd. Just, dang wher'd that MF hide himself, when Dr7 nails em.
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Re: Anyone else...
« Reply #67 on: August 12, 2013, 09:47:58 PM »
getting sick of the flash mobs pf P-38's flying in heavy at 15k, and killing the hangers on the first pass? Sole purpose of missions like these are to shorten and minimize combat to the maximum degree possible.
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This is called "tactics".

I submit that those doing these types of raids are in fact playing the game wrong.
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This is called "whining", and "poor sportsmanship".

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Re: Anyone else...
« Reply #68 on: August 12, 2013, 10:03:38 PM »
getting sick of the flash mobs pf P-38's flying in heavy at 15k, and killing the hangers on the first pass? Sole purpose of missions like these are to shorten and minimize combat to the maximum degree possible. Considering this is an air/ground combat game, I submit that those doing these types of raids are infact playing the game wrong.

Flame resistant underwear in place, check. Open fire!!!

Flame resistant underwear!? Where do you purchase such? I will post more..

All is fair in love and war! Ergo, you cannot play the game wrong. Simple as that..

If it irks you, give your foe an ice water enema. What the heck am I suggesting? I can't give you the answer, but it
will come to you just as easily as accidentally peeing on someones foot in the restroom at a local club.
Btw, not always an accident. Woot!

PS; Flash mobs are always better in D38! :O   
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« Reply #69 on: August 12, 2013, 11:05:43 PM »
P-38's make excellent BIG targets.

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« Reply #70 on: August 13, 2013, 05:28:27 AM »
I do not have anything bad to say about the guys making big missions and their choice of aircraft. Many times it creates frustration because most of the defenders are furballing with the other country who has not captured any bases. They keep doing that even after several bases have been captured. Pork the ords, monitor the dar bar etc many things can be done to stop the horde. The whining that starts when we start to lose bases is a lot more disturbing than the horde itself.

Some people want to get the JU87, SBD, TBM out of the hangars more as the "real CV destroyers" etc. Those slow cumbersome planes do not belong in the late war arena imho. If you want an extra challenge and perks fly them, but they would just be sitting ducks in most cases.

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« Reply #71 on: August 13, 2013, 05:48:49 AM »
I wish more players realized the fun in doing off the wall missions like Stuka, SBD or P40 raids. What can be more fun than 3 or 4 Stukas hot on a pony's arse!  :lol Some of the funnest missions I've ever taken part in were stupid like that. One of the craziest missions I ever went on I think Karaya or Akak, maybe TwinBoom, came up with and that was B5Ns or D3As (can't remember which) loaded with torpedoes and we headed out to flatten a Vbase  :lol By the time we got done we were all dead and torpedoes was sticking up like telephone poles all over the base!  :banana: I still laugh when I think about that.  :rock
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« Reply #72 on: August 13, 2013, 05:58:47 AM »
Don't want the base shut down pork some ords.
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« Reply #73 on: August 13, 2013, 06:26:13 AM »
People not playing like Jager wants them to  :frown: Furthermore he does not want to be bothered to defend bases from attacks because it takes too much effort  :headscratch:
Could spot this whine thread from a mile away  :ahand
More fun will be had overall when certain people realize they not going to control how others play the game, run missions, hoards, furballs, btards, ho's, vulches, field ack, etc etc.
Put all that energy into the one thing you can control..."yourself".... and game becomes a lot of fun.
Don't let the game .....GAME you.  :aok

Listen here, seen you playing. You have ran a Spitfire mark 9 from a 190 D9, straight to your base ack, even when you had altitude advantage over me. You bet killed in a GV? Grab a tempon and btard, thats it, well done. Yet you use to brag how the people are low, how lame they are, also how awesome you are. What the hell, how the sky dont fall down on your face, you awesomest internet-though noone, you.

Anything what i hated in this game is painted right on your face.
Shame on you, even if you dont know this phrase.
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« Reply #74 on: August 13, 2013, 06:28:53 AM »
 :huh
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