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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: Biggamer on August 16, 2013, 07:30:33 PM
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i was in game flying and all my buttons was working fine my look up button is set to my pinky trigger and it stoped working.. it was working and stopped working in the same sortie was odd i figured my button just broke witch was odd its not that old..i checked the button in windows and it lights up everytime showing its working but will not work ingame i try reinstalling drivers and still nothing.
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A power issue, maybe?
Do you use a powered USB hub?
If you don't, how old is your PSU/motherboard?
It might be that in a power consuming situation like in-game due to aging your power related components, mainly capacitors, can't supply enough juice for all the devices connected to your motherboard's USB ports. IIRC one port - or actually if I've understood correctly, pair of ports - can deliver one (1) ampere of 5 volt current. An X52 with all of its lights and displays will draw quite a lot of power, which an older PSU might not be able to handle any more.
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It could be any of a few things. My guess is there is a stuck key or a key that isnt mapping right. Did you try opening notebook and depressing the key? Or maybe it has something to do with SST being in Latch mode.
I must say its unusual to use the latch/pinkie button for such a task. Its supposed to be used to allow second commands to main buttons. I suggest using it for that and mapping look up to another key. I use the wheel click to look up.
Your probably going to have a lot of problems using that latch trigger. But you can try and turn off latch mode in SST, that is if your running SST. Even if you arent mapping in SST, or they call it Mad Catz programming now, it might be running in the background. Do you have the latest software/drivers installed?
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dim all your LEDS it might save some juice :old:
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reply my PC is a new build its less then a month and a half old 700 watt power supply i dont think thats the issue i think its the stick its self that broke already my first one lasted me 3 and a half years this one 3 months..meaning it was working in the same sortie and quit working in the same sortie i think it may have broke as much as i hate to think that.. and as far as remapping my look up button i could but ive used that button for over 3 years its what i am used to and i dont use the x52 throttle i got a duel throttle setup thats why i use it. this button is the only button that dont work in game so thats another sign saying its broke but yet every time i click it in windows it lights up thats what is wierd its only the pinky trigger
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open clipboard map,goto map controls,select the x52 and press the pinky button.
If it's working it should highlite the button,it may not have the same number assigned as in the windows calibration gui. If the button highlites,try remapping it to "look up".
Even with a new build and 700 watts I'd still use a powered hub,some motherboards wont give enough power to the X52,depending on how many usb devices you have connected it's possible that the MB only gives the lowest power required.
Generally you will see the lights flicker and loos calibration,you can turn off the lights and turn down the MDF display to reduce power draw but I'd still use a powered hub.
The other issue X52's have is the cord between the throttle and JS,it can come loose and cause momentary power loss,I used some duct tape to hold the connector in place and then finally secured the wire so it couldn't move at all.
Check to see if the game sees the pinky button and try remapping,if the game doesn't see the pinky button but windows does then it's possibly a DX issue and over my head.... If you cant solve the issue,hope you can return it for a new one and get a powered hub while your at it!
hope that helps Biggamer!
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Aces high does is not picking up on the button it dont highlight. but it does highlight in windows. see if they will replace my joystick monday if not i guess ill order a new one and a usb hub
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It could be any of a few things. My guess is there is a stuck key or a key that isnt mapping right. Did you try opening notebook and depressing the key? Or maybe it has something to do with SST being in Latch mode.
I must say its unusual to use the latch/pinkie button for such a task. Its supposed to be used to allow second commands to main buttons. I suggest using it for that and mapping look up to another key. I use the wheel click to look up.
Your probably going to have a lot of problems using that latch trigger. But you can try and turn off latch mode in SST, that is if your running SST. Even if you arent mapping in SST, or they call it Mad Catz programming now, it might be running in the background. Do you have the latest software/drivers installed?
^This
The pinky button works like the shift button on your keyboard.
Coogan
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And although you have a brand new computer with a powerful enough PSU, power can still be an issue. It's not due to poor craftmanship or low quality components, it's the nature of the USB ports. As I said, the ports are most likely paired, meaning two ports side by side sharing the same 1 ampere. So plugging your X52 side by side with another power-hungry controller the amperage might reach its limits. Today most devices are connected via USB, including keyboards and mice. Gaming gear also tends to have all sorts of illumination and other extra features all using the same single ampere. A powered hub can have higher amperage or at least the one ampere for each port. Just food for thought.
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Aces high does is not picking up on the button it dont highlight. but it does highlight in windows. see if they will replace my joystick monday if not i guess ill order a new one and a usb hub
Are you using the SST software? If not,before you return it,load the software then open the control panel and start AH. Once ingame check to see if AH sees the pinky switch.
Something else just occurred to me,you may need to install dx9c,depending on your OS,win7 you might not have the proper DX. Yes I know it's backwards compatable but I've heard of this issue with DX before. Worth a try before paying for a new stick.
Personally I'd put "look up" on the throttle to force me to keep my hand on the throttle all the time,but that's me.
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Again, go into SST profile editor and when you see mode 1, mode 2, mode 3, you should also see "mode 1 + pinkie". If your not using SST its probably still running in the background so select "no fallback" instead of "mode 1 + pinkie". That should unmap your pinkie button. If you have the game mapped in SST then just map "up" to another button.
Make sure you dont have a default profile on start up in SST.
The problem might also have something to do with the enable clutch mode and Latched clutch button checked in Controller/MFD screen. You still have to tell us if your using the SST software or not.
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no i dont use SST software... and my OP is win 7 64 bit
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i installed the SST software tonight to see if the button was working there and it is the button shows it works in testing and in software but it still dont do anything in AH it still dont highlight all other buttons highlight other then just the pinky trigger it is so wierd i dont think a new stick will solve the issue and i unplugged everything from my computer other then mouse and keyboard and x52 still same thing so i dont think its a power issue. it just acts like AH will not pick up on that button for some reason
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i installed the SST software tonight to see if the button was working there and it is the button shows it works in testing and in software but it still dont do anything in AH it still dont highlight all other buttons highlight other then just the pinky trigger it is so wierd i dont think a new stick will solve the issue and i unplugged everything from my computer other then mouse and keyboard and x52 still same thing so i dont think its a power issue. it just acts like AH will not pick up on that button for some reason
I found that mapping buttons on the throttle worked well for looking up & down...
Just a suggestion.
Coogan
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i installed the SST software tonight to see if the button was working there and it is the button shows it works in testing and in software but it still dont do anything in AH it still dont highlight all other buttons highlight other then just the pinky trigger it is so wierd i dont think a new stick will solve the issue and i unplugged everything from my computer other then mouse and keyboard and x52 still same thing so i dont think its a power issue. it just acts like AH will not pick up on that button for some reason
Try leaving the x52 control panel open on the desktop and then start AH,see if the game will"see" the pinky button.
If not,I suggest an email to support at hitechcreations and ask scuzzy about DX issues and win7. As I said you may need to install an older version of DX.
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i installed the SST software tonight to see if the button was working there and it is the button shows it works in testing and in software but it still dont do anything in AH it still dont highlight all other buttons highlight other then just the pinky trigger it is so wierd i dont think a new stick will solve the issue and i unplugged everything from my computer other then mouse and keyboard and x52 still same thing so i dont think its a power issue. it just acts like AH will not pick up on that button for some reason
Ok. Please just bear with me here. With the SST software running, do you have a profile loaded with it? If you're unsure, look at the icon for the X52 down by your clock. It looks like the throttle and stick in black, if memory serves. Does it have a yellow (or green? Sorry, colorblind) around it, or is it just the icon in black on your taskbar background?
If it's got the yellow (or green) outline around it, that would indicate it's running a profile and the pinky by default initiates a shift state. To get rid of the profile, right click on the icon and choose 'clear profile'. Then try running the game and see what you get.
If that doesn't work, try this:
Open the profile editor and create a new one. You will see it come up with a blank profile with three modes, mode1, mode2 and mode 3. If you scroll to the right in the window, you'll also see it has 3 shift state modes. Pinky-Mode1, Pinky-Mode2, Pinky-Mode3 (they might be something different, I'm doing this from memory). At the top right of the columns, there's a blue x button you can use to delete the shift state columns. Delete the ones that are pinky-mode# and save the profile as 'AH' or something along those lines. Right click on the icon again, and the filename you created should be at the top of the list. Click on it to load that profile, and try the button again in game.
If that doesn't work, I got nothing. The only time I've seen it work like you're describing is if the SST thought pinky was a shift state trigger, which basically stops the game from treating it like a button.
Hope this helps, if you need further clarification I can try again.
Wiley.
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Wiley i will be home around 6pm eastern and will give that a try thank yolet lu for your time explaining i will let you know if it works
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wiley i do see the mode 1,2 and 3 and mode 1,2 and 3 + pinky but i dont see how to delete the mode 1,2 and 3 + pinky also i noticed when i click the pinky trigger it selects mode 1 + pinky.... i wonder if i uninstall aces high and re install it if that would work
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wiley i do see the mode 1,2 and 3 and mode 1,2 and 3 + pinky but i dont see how to delete the mode 1,2 and 3 + pinky also i noticed when i click the pinky trigger it selects mode 1 + pinky.... i wonder if i uninstall aces high and re install it if that would work
Top right corner of the column that says mode 1 + pinky there should be an X button to remove that shift state, up by in the vicinity of where it says mode 1 + pinky.
Wiley.
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there is a option at top that says view and then click grids and in there you can delete the mode 1,2 and 3 +pinkie i did that saved the profile and bam it works great Thank you so much sir. Thank you to everyone that had tryed to help me <<S>> gents.. must have been the shift state after all wiley.
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Glad it helped. I know on mine every time I reboot, I have to load my profile. Not sure if it's a setting I used to make it that way, but just be aware it might be necessary.
Wiley.
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k do you know if there is a way to turn off the shift state without running a profile up until now i never needed one but if thats what it takes its not that big of a deal
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Frankly I'm surprised it was doing that when you didn't have the SST loaded. I can only guess it's the default setup in the driver for some reason. I don't know of a way to do it without the profile unfortunately.
Personally I actually use the features of the profiler to set up shift states coming off the clutch button in the middle of the bottom rotary on the throttle to double the number of functions I can get from the buttons, but it's an unholy combination of SST settings and button mappings in AH that I wouldn't recommend to most people. The upside is there's very few flight operations I need to use the keyboard for. The downside is, I seriously doubt my profile would make any sense to anybody but me.
One other gotcha with the X52, if you want to use that button in the middle of the lower rotary, there's a setting in the windows joystick properties people mentioned earlier in the thread to disable clutch mode, which is what you need to do to use that button.
Wiley.
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yea it was already disabled and i am suprised with you because i have not used SST software in the passed and it worked fine also the drivers i downloaded from there site when i got this new PC around month and half 2 months ago and it worked fine up until friday i logged on and was practicing for FSO when it quit working in mid flight thats what had me scratching my head. if it takes a profile to run it that way from this point on its ok it only take 1 minute to make one. thanks again so much for helping me getting it working i was starting to get worried i may miss 2 FSOs ;)
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That sounds weird. I can't really see it being an AH issue although I can't say definitively. If it were me, I'd just go with what works if there's no other ill effects.
If I were inclined to try to fix it, I'd probably just take the sledgehammer approach and reinstall windows and everything else, no SST software, and expect that to fix it.
Wiley.