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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Oldman731 on August 17, 2013, 12:12:42 AM
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Bustr made this fine point in another thread:
"Years ago some of you guys would have invited that newbie to the DA to help him instead of repeatedly smacking him down or enjoying watching him repeatedly auger."
We've all had the experience, where we realize early in the fight that we're way ahead of the other guy. I've tried different things over the years. Usually I just break off and say something like "let's try that again!" Then re-merge, sooner or later he augurs or he gets in a good shot.
So how do you others encourage the younger players? What do you think are the best methods?
- oldman
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to make sure to use the ".country 1" command...
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Stay behind him yelling PEW PEW over the mic or in chat until he augers, or reassure him that FBCrabby is not lying and .country 1 will give him an aimbot.
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Coogan <----Never met a cadet I could beat... :furious
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For me, getting owned in 2 turns was a motivator to get better when I first started. Still is today. :)
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They all have questions as we did once. Perhaps some straight forward answers vs the Alt-F4 gag. I find a lot of seasoned vets do lend a hand but way too many chime in with the "smart alec" quips.
My .02 :old:
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I try to answer if I am not already in the middle of something to help new folks out. I have seen, and approve whole heartedly, of some squads I have seen who talk to new folks and bring them onboard. Sometimes this happens unofficially and sometimes they actually bring them onboard, and sometimes it is even openly temporarily. They then train them up some and tell them that it is ok if they decide to leave the squad after awhile. It gives them a good support mechanism to enter into the community and to learn versus being frustrated by the learning curve.
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100coogn I like your maps...just printed them out :aok
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They all have questions as we did once. Perhaps some straight forward answers vs the Alt-F4 gag. I find a lot of seasoned vets do lend a hand but way too many chime in with the "smart alec" quips.
My .02 :old:
Some ppl just think they are funnier than they actually are. No matter what one tells them, they're always going to believe they are hilarious... :rolleyes:
I was covering a noob's six a couple of days ago. I didn't tell him, but he knew I had been helping him with other stuff. It's actually a lot harder than I thought it would be, I wasn't worried about watching my 6 much, just trying to intercept and keep eny off his. What was really difficult was trying to predict where he was going and to stay there, without communicating with him. I was amazed, much easier to stay on an enemy than a noob who doesn't know you're covering...
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For me, getting owned in 2 turns was a motivator to get better when I first started. Still is today. :)
same here ive now made it 3 or 4 turns in some fights lol
EatG
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Stay behind him yelling PEW PEW over the mic or in chat until he augers, or reassure him that FBCrabby is not lying and .country 1 will give him an aimbot.
I have you now....
(http://img.ffffound.com/static-data/assets/6/c479df67d350794081e4e89b6208a8aa15919b6c_m.jpg)
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We need some sort of sticky threads that have screenshots of the various dialog windows of the game to help a new player set up his game to his liking.
Give the thread a distinctive title so google search finds it easily.
When you see a new player, you can tell him to open up google and search the distinctive title of the thread/s and everybody wins.
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Bustr made this fine point in another thread:
"Years ago some of you guys would have invited that newbie to the DA to help him instead of repeatedly smacking him down or enjoying watching him repeatedly auger."
So how do you others encourage the younger players? What do you think are the best methods?
- oldman
First of all, I would take them to the TA, not the DA. The Training Arena is designed specifically for training and learning, in that you can shoot each-other without damage. This allows you to see, feel and confirm when you have a gun solution, instead of playing "taka taka" style, and without ending the fight when you land hits. When you land steady pings on a guy, he knows he's dead and you just reset, instead of having to re-up. I think it is much easier to learn (as a newbie) from a more continuous session, than from a dueling approach.
Second, if possible, bring a friend. If you have a squaddy who is willing to help out, you can have the new guy ride along while you demonstrate ACM (or whatever they want to know) and show and explain the applications against another plane. When I was involved in training in Warbirds, many training sessions would begin with or include one trainer flying against another trainer to demonstrate something while the trainee rode along. Sometimes people have to see it before they can do it (or wrap their heads around the concept). I did this a couple weeks ago with a new guy who said he was having trouble in the Pony dealing with good turning planes. I happened to see him in the TA while some of my squaddies were there, so I had him ride with me while I showed him the High Yo Yo vs. one of my squad-mates. Then I had him try them on me until he got the feel for it. Sure enough, it clicked after just a few tries, as he had the basics of the maneuver down from seeing it first. The next day he posted in the help forum that he had gotten a kill using the High Yo Yo. That was rewarding stuff to see that.
Find out what they want to do/know. It's hard to teach people something they are not interested in learning/practicing, so make sure you are addressing their interest some, before getting into all the basic BFM/ACM. If you can address a specific problem they are having (or think they are having) that is always a great start toward getting their interest. This way you also avoid hitting them with too much information at once. There is SO much to learn in the game that it is easy to get overloaded, or even frustrated, with too much info at once.
That's my two pennies from the stuff I can think of off hand.
<S>
Ryno
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I club them.
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Perhaps some straight forward answers vs the Alt-F4 gag.
One thing I have learned over the years is this. If you want a pigpile and endless seal clubbing, ask an actual question.
If, on the other hand, you want an actual answer, get on channel and say something intentionally wrong and you will get endless fact based responses correcting you :)
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One thing I have learned over the years is this. If you want a pigpile and endless seal clubbing, ask an actual question.
If, on the other hand, you want an actual answer, get on channel and say something intentionally wrong and you will get endless fact based responses correcting you :)
So very true.
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QFT ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^
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I encourage all young beginners to go join the Bishops and follow the big green dar bars and do what they do.
Seriously though, I haven't met a new guy in a long time that wanted to put forth the effort to read any of the training material provided in the trainers links. If they won't do that then why should I put forth any effort to help them?
You show me a guy that will read training material and plans on staying for the long haul and I'll do everything I can to help him anyway I know how. Otherwise they're a waste of my time.
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perhaps players should stop telling them that p38's and 190's are great beginner's planes.
semp
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perhaps players should stop telling them that p38's and 190's are great beginner's planes.
semp
:lol sorry, I did a complete edit job on my post as you can see. But as far as planes to learn in, I'd say Spits of coarse and the niki because of the ammo load, knock down power and turn ability. But first and foremost pick a plane and learn it inside out. Keep track of what planes that are killing you the most and figure out why that is and adapt your tactics or flying style accordingly to meet that challenge.
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I haven't met a new guy in a long time that wanted to put forth the effort to read any of the training material provided in the trainers links.
Trouble is, those links aren't readily identifiable on the HTC home page.
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Trouble is, those links aren't readily identifiable on the HTC home page.
and also that some terms are meaningless to a new guy. flaps, rudder, e-management. I am not kidding but when I started playing I heard two guys talking about e management and I started looking on my plane for the e management gauge. so I asked them what e was for, then said energy, so I smiled and looked at my fuel gauge and noticed I had plenty and wasnt gonna run out of it anytime soon and wondered why those idiots waited till the fuel was almost gone to start managing it.
I still dont know what trim does, I read about it, people tried teaching me about it, but still dont understand it. then again with my handicapped of having to visualize everybody or I wont understand it creates a bit of a handicap.
when I fly with my squadies I feel like an idiot. they're very good at bombing and have tried to explain the ins and outs of bombing to me but I still look at them with these confused look. we take off at the same time with same plane, same fuel, ords and 15 minutes later they're 10k in front of me.
I can imagine what a new guy feels like.
semp
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Trouble is, those links aren't readily identifiable on the HTC home page.
Yeah I do have to admit it wouldn't hurt to make them easier to find.
and this from semp: and I started looking on my plane for the e management gauge. so I asked them what e was for, then said energy, so I smiled and looked at my fuel gauge and noticed I had plenty and wasnt gonna run out of it anytime soon and wondered why those idiots waited till the fuel was almost gone to start managing it. :rofl :rofl
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I can imagine what a new guy feels like.
I suspect most of us don't realize how much we take for granted. I'll never forget Bug and another guy teaching me what a lead turn was on AW's training night in 1995. The light bulb over my head suddenly went on.
The new folks who are ambitious will go to the TA, especially if you suggest it. But I think a lot of new people are too proud to let on that they're beginners, which is why I try to give them an opportunity to do some of that pilot stuff when I meet them.
- oldman
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The 113th Lucky Strikes invites everyone to come wing up for a flight or a night. We have trained a bunch of new guys. Answer the questions we can and show them the ropes. It's all good.
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I just try to help. Ask Midway....before he became the current incarnation of Midway, we went to the DA and I made some suggestions. I actually liked the way he flew.
I just try to help. I hated being new...but I damn sure remember the guys that helped me.
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i have no idea who is new and who isn't, but if someone asks a question i will try to answer it. Game is hard enough without all the BS answers people will give a new guy.
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I generally give a straight answer if someone asks a newb question on the channels. As far as taking them under your wing to teach them stuff, I think it's a great idea if you're good at it.
Wiley.
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Years ago I used to hang out in the TA for an hour or so, on weekend mornings, and just monitor the text. Questions would pop up from noobs and I'd answer them as best I can. Most of it was very basic "how do I..." stuff.
Give it a shot if you have the time.
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In the original version of AH, Warbirds, they had trainers in the arenas most of the time. It was their job to find the new players and invite them to the Training Arena for some 1 on 1 training. In return they played for free.
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I still dont know what trim does, I read about it, people tried teaching me about it, but still dont understand it. then again with my handicapped of having to visualize everybody or I wont understand it creates a bit of a handicap.
Trim Tab video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PA5Pf9h2Vk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PA5Pf9h2Vk)
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I still dont know what trim does, I read about it, people tried teaching me about it, but still dont understand it. then again with my handicapped of having to visualize everybody or I wont understand it creates a bit of a handicap.
Trim Tab video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PA5Pf9h2Vk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PA5Pf9h2Vk)
thanks that makes sense now :salute.
semp
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Bustr made this fine point in another thread:
"Years ago some of you guys would have invited that newbie to the DA to help him instead of repeatedly smacking him down or enjoying watching him repeatedly auger."
We've all had the experience, where we realize early in the fight that we're way ahead of the other guy. I've tried different things over the years. Usually I just break off and say something like "let's try that again!" Then re-merge, sooner or later he augurs or he gets in a good shot.
So how do you others encourage the younger players? What do you think are the best methods?
- oldman
I tell them that if they really want to get good, there is this really nice guy that usually hangs out in the AvA arena named Oldman...
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Bustr made this fine point in another thread:
"Years ago some of you guys would have invited that newbie to the DA to help him instead of repeatedly smacking him down or enjoying watching him repeatedly auger."
We've all had the experience, where we realize early in the fight that we're way ahead of the other guy. I've tried different things over the years. Usually I just break off and say something like "let's try that again!" Then re-merge, sooner or later he augurs or he gets in a good shot.
So how do you others encourage the younger players? What do you think are the best methods?
- oldman
I used to tell them to copy my moves repeatedly. We would merge several times and I would tell them on vox what I was doing, when flaos came iut, when throtle was off, et bigtoeil they got a feel of the views and what was going on. It really takes no time at all if one is interested in fighting. If they worry about getting killed it is a different story.
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I hereby offer to help Fulcrum's son learn how to shoot his dad down. :old:
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I hereby offer to help Fulcrum's son learn how to shoot his dad down. :old:
I didn't know that was an option. I would like to object to Triton28 teaching anyone anything. He gets fetch-it and come-here confused most of the time.
Call Dodger. He has gotten his landing gear up nicely the last two nights...
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I hereby offer to help Fulcrum's son learn how to shoot his dad down. :old:
(http://i.imgur.com/HHZPa.jpg)
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(Triton28) AAAAAAAGGHHHH!!!! (Fulcrum's Son) PEW! PEW! PEW!
*crash burn die* "MUHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH! Look Dad! I shot down a Muppet!"
Some things can come back to haunt you..... :uhoh
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I didn't know that was an option. I would like to object to Triton28 teaching anyone anything. He gets fetch-it and come-here confused most of the time.
Call Dodger. He has gotten his landing gear up nicely the last two nights...
:lol
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No, no. That was me before I read a book. Now that I've read a book, not only can I understand basic commands, but I can teach pwnage as well. :joystick:
Thanks for the books, Bear. That other one with the sticky pictures is kinda puzzling though. :headscratch:
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I didn't know that was an option. I would like to object to Triton28 teaching anyone anything. He gets fetch-it and come-here confused most of the time.
Call Dodger. He has gotten his landing gear up nicely the last two nights...
I'm thinking I'll hand my young, impressionable son off to learn the fine art of ACM toooo (drum roll please).....Midway.
Under Middy's tender care and guidance, both Triton and I should then be safe from my son for the foreseeable future. Also, he will learn from a master how to talk smack on 200 that is so unconnected to reality it borders on the delusional!!!
I expect I'll be getting a visit from the Child Protection Agency any day now..... :uhoh
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I created an entire group of videos to help new folks.
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL54E5CE4C59347B00 (http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL54E5CE4C59347B00)
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I used to tell them to copy my moves repeatedly. We would merge several times and I would tell them on vox what I was doing, when flaos came iut, when throtle was off, et bigtoeil they got a feel of the views and what was going on. It really takes no time at all if one is interested in fighting. If they worry about getting killed it is a different story.
You've taught me much, ded, I'd like to park you in the TA for the benefit of lots of folks.
- oldman
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I created an entire group of videos to help new folks.
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL54E5CE4C59347B00 (http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL54E5CE4C59347B00)
And many have benefited from them, Vudu. That was a lot of work on your part, and it's appreciated.
- oldman
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I created an entire group of videos to help new folks.
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL54E5CE4C59347B00 (http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL54E5CE4C59347B00)
All kidding with Triton aside....great work on this stuff, Vudu. My son has been using these and they have helped a great deal.
:salute
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You've taught me much, ded, I'd like to park you in the TA for the benefit of lots of folks.
- oldman
I m not welcomed there. I am bad :old:
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i like to give suggestions on how to stay alive before i give suggestions on how to kill. to me as a noob staying alive is the coolest thing. especially when your getting shot down all the time.
once they see they can avoid getting killed they build up some confidence and are able to understand a little better about ACM and SA.
i give them links to some cool sites to read about ACM and SA and also suggest books (for some with lots of illustrations)
this is a start. i am not a good fighter pilot so i also suggest getting some one on one time with a Trainer.
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When I meet a new cadet.....
i introduce them to Zacharof and FBcrabby for perk multiplier training followed by Festering 101, (How to Bail again...and again....and again...)
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I introduce them to the "squelch" feature for people who talk incessantly on range. But seriously, I used to spend a lot of time in the TA working with squaddies and new players. Time constraints put a halt to that.
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When I meet a new cadet.....
i introduce them to Zacharof and FBcrabby for perk multiplier training followed by Festering 101, (How to Bail again...and again....and again...)
:rofl Funny, yet sad all at once!
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Yesterday, I logged in and as usual it put me at a field far away from the action. I was about to jump to a different field when I heard and engine start and a player rolling down the runway. I was thinking "Maybe it's a buffer going on a run", and figured I could escort him. It was a fighter and a player I had never seen. He gets wheels up and then crashes. I do a quick score check on him and it was obvious he was struggling so I sent a PM to him, "Would you like some help?". He replied, "lol, yes I do". So I invite him into the TA and let him follow me around shooting me. Now, I'm not a trainer and really am kinda lost on how to help him much so this is basically all I had for him. If nothing else he got a better idea on E management and gunnery. I decided to help him out after reading this thread. This is a tough game, we who play here should keep that in mind and remember how lost we all were when we first started.
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Not many new guys are lufty... Sadens me :(
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So how do you others encourage the younger players?
I met a young lad 2 years ago. He was new in AH but he was beating me again and again. :ahand Hes RedBull.
Otherwise, what he was doing? Whats his biggest problem? Initialize that, tell him what you would do in the same situation, show him a film about a simmilar fight, what that opponent was doing to beat you.
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Yesterday, I logged in and as usual it put me at a field far away from the action. I was about to jump to a different field when I heard and engine start and a player rolling down the runway. I was thinking "Maybe it's a buffer going on a run", and figured I could escort him. It was a fighter and a player I had never seen. He gets wheels up and then crashes. I do a quick score check on him and it was obvious he was struggling so I sent a PM to him, "Would you like some help?". He replied, "lol, yes I do". So I invite him into the TA and let him follow me around shooting me. Now, I'm not a trainer and really am kinda lost on how to help him much so this is basically all I had for him. If nothing else he got a better idea on E management and gunnery. I decided to help him out after reading this thread. This is a tough game, we who play here should keep that in mind and remember how lost we all were when we first started.
I ran into this sad sack of man in the TA this time last year, a lot of what he showed me I still use today. :salute
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Yesterday, I logged in and as usual it put me at a field far away from the action. I was about to jump to a different field when I heard and engine start and a player rolling down the runway. I was thinking "Maybe it's a buffer going on a run", and figured I could escort him. It was a fighter and a player I had never seen. He gets wheels up and then crashes. I do a quick score check on him and it was obvious he was struggling so I sent a PM to him, "Would you like some help?". He replied, "lol, yes I do". So I invite him into the TA and let him follow me around shooting me. Now, I'm not a trainer and really am kinda lost on how to help him much so this is basically all I had for him. If nothing else he got a better idea on E management and gunnery. I decided to help him out after reading this thread. This is a tough game, we who play here should keep that in mind and remember how lost we all were when we first started.
Nice catch and wtg.
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I m not welcomed there. I am bad :old:
Since when Ded? You are more than welcome to come into the TA anytime you would like. I usually spend most week nights in there helping with everything from initial setup to my limited knowledge of ACM.
Ded,plz feel free to come to the TA and help out anytime!
:salute
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Morf, you know he ruined DA, imagine what he could do to TA :D
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Morfiend, Dedalos pretty much ruines the DA, TA and every other "A" on the block :devil
Just kiddin :angel:
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Morf, you know he ruined DA, imagine what he could do to TA :D
I guess it's all in the perpective,there's no damage in the TA so how could he possibly ruin it...... :devil
Len, you and I both know he can be a nice guy on the odd occasion,it's just a matter of finding that occasion...... :rofl
:salute
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Len, you and I both know he can be a nice guy
Man, don't ruin my rep with your lies :furious
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I guess I should have capitalized...... CAN BE..... :O
:salute
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Going to the TA and finding Morfeind is like going back to your first combat school and the same old instructor is there. Upon which he always grabs your kester and shows the new class everything they shouldn't do at the expense of what dignity you have left and your old sorry carcass. Never trust Morfeind when he's chatting amiably with you on range in the TA. Some newbie has just been handed your head tomorrow.
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I met a young lad 2 years ago. He was new in AH but he was beating me again and again. :ahand Hes RedBull.
Otherwise, what he was doing? Whats his biggest problem? Initialize that, tell him what you would do in the same situation, show him a film about a simmilar fight, what that opponent was doing to beat you.
Debrody you gave failed, Redbull plays no more...................what did you do? :confused:
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Bah, thank you Debrody :) but you're being a bit too modest, you've beaten me more than a few times :aok
Debrody you gave failed, Redbull plays no more...................what did you do? :confused:
He beat my little ego into another game :noid :cry :D