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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: wpeters on August 28, 2013, 04:21:19 PM
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I believe to answere your question Latrobe that the sliceback (emergency :neener:) is what you call a tail slide.
The Sliceback is an evil manoeuvre, a dirty trick to pull on a bandit who’s comfortably on
your long six o’clock. It comprises a gentle zoom with an aggressive skid near the top
followed by a nose-low opposite rudder reversal to bring you near head-on with your highly
rattled pursuer. You will need quite a bit of separation for this move since you burn a lot of
energy in the reversal – don’t try it if the bandit is anywhere near guns range. It is best
employed by a fighter with high wingloading and considerable rudder authority, in a situation
where a flat or oblique turn would most likely give the enemy a full planform snapshot. The
manoeuvre requires a good deal of rudder-aileron coordination and should not be attempted
without first having perfected the technique. The “trick” is to mask the airspeed decrease
with the low speed skid – the follow-up rudder reversal usually comes as a nasty shock.
The sliceback is useful in a standard dogfight as well. If you're energy-rich but
angles-poor in a turning fight, the reflexive behaviour is to honk back on the stick and bleed
energy to stay with the bandit. This leads without fault to black-out from excessive gravity
loads, to loss of visual contact and sacrifice of the energy advantage. A more cautious pilot
will normally zoom in the bandit’s rear hemisphere and roll his lift vector onto him for a
high yo-yo. While this is certainly good in most cases, it’s time-consuming and thus allows
the bandit a respite during which angles are lost. The outcome is generally a nose-to-nose
fight where either or both will succumb to head-on shots or collision.
In this situation it is far better to use the vertical and a bit of rudder work. E.g. in a
left turning fight where you have an energy advantage on a bandit who's breaking hard to
left, you nose up and skid right (top rudder) with a bit of left aileron to counter the roll, then
rudder hard to left, nose low while adding a bit of right aileron. This is a sort of vertical lag
displacement sliceback which doesn't cost you much energy and which gives you a low yo-yo
snapshot at the bandit (who sustains his left turn). Follow it up with another high sliceback if
he keeps up his turn, and with a steep barrel roll (canopy to bandit) if he reverses.
Tell me what you think guys. All I know is if you do the slice back at the right time. The bandit is in for a surprise HO :banana:
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A slice back is similar to a low yoyo,a pitch back is similar to a high yoyo,you described a pitch back not a slice back.
That's all I have to say on this subject,I could point out many things incorrect but I'll leave it at that.
:salute
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I heard from someone that it's called a tailslip. Is this correct?
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Would someone just give him the swap nose for tail instant kill code so he will get over it.
If I remember correctly the dot command that makes your fighter have (0) as it's weight is:
.2grlinacp
And the no miss inside of 600 AI lock on bullets command is:
.MinIsTny
And the Klingon invisibility cloak is:
.IisAchtr
If I'm not mistaken, actually generating these commands from the keyboard while in the game arenas sends a notification to Skuzzy and starts a 15 second countdown for a game crash to the desktop. Guess the nose for tail code needs to be added to the notification list and subsequent CTD.
But, until then, someone give willy pete the derned code and sush him up.
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bustr why do you insist on making these awkward, unfunny posts all the time?
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I heard from someone that it's called a tailslip. Is this correct?
:O
ours prayers have been answered!
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3of9 got me with a beautifully timed one of those, but I couldn't get any sense from him after that wasn't ones or zeros... Very strange fellow.
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I heard from someone that it's called a tailslip. Is this correct?
Latrobe,
I'm not sure what you are referring to but what a lot of players in AH call a tailslide isn't,it is a form of aerobatics that would be more likely called a tumble.
A proper tailslide involves flying straight up until zero airspeed and then falling straight back down tail first. You can do this quite nicely in the TA 152 and if done correct you can use the elevator to bring the nose down.
Most the films I've seen of these socalled tailslides are either tumbles or some type of a snap stall,which is just an accelerated stall.
YMMV.
:salute
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Latrobe,
I'm not sure what you are referring to but what a lot of players in AH call a tailslide isn't,it is a form of aerobatics that would be more likely called a tumble.
A proper tailslide involves flying straight up until zero airspeed and then falling straight back down tail first. You can do this quite nicely in the TA 152 and if done correct you can use the elevator to bring the nose down.
Most the films I've seen of these socalled tailslides are either tumbles or some type of a snap stall,which is just an accelerated stall.
YMMV.
:salute
Yes, I found out what an actual tailslide is which is why I was trying to find out what I should call this move.
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The God Maneuver
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You guys call it what ya want..........I'm calling it the "Latrobe Fancy Move" :joystick:
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Krupnski is really the one who trademarked the tailslide in the 109s.
Everyone gives it far more credit than it's worth, the tail slide is nothing but a cheap reversal that's usually a last ditch maneuver when you're out of options. (Well I do it when I'm bored too :D)
But seriously people give it far too much credit.
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bustr why do you insist on making these awkward, unfunny posts all the time?
Same reason you feel the need to pop off to people all the time.
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Krupnski is really the one who trademarked the tailslide in the 109s.
Everyone gives it far more credit than it's worth, the tail slide is nothing but a cheap reversal that's usually a last ditch maneuver when you're out of options. (Well I do it when I'm bored too :D)
But seriously people give it far too much credit.
^^
That.
I've watched Krup doing it long before I figured out how to do it. I like to just go into the middle of furballs in my P-47 and pull this move when I'm bored because it's so much fun trying to line up a shot while doing it. :rolleyes: :joystick:
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When you can fly half a sector missing half a wing, your rudder authority is a bit excessive.
This is why we seen these types of maneuvers.
Of course, I used to land zeros missing a wing in warbirds so aces high is a bit more realistic as far as rudder authority but aces high does not penalize you when you pull back on the stick with way too much rudder fed in by snapping you into an immediate spin.
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When you can fly half a sector missing half a wing, your rudder authority is a bit excessive.
This is why we seen these types of maneuvers.
Of course, I used to land zeros missing a wing in warbirds so aces high is a bit more realistic as far as rudder authority but aces high does not penalize you when you pull back on the stick with way too much rudder fed in by snapping you into an immediate spin.
Er....yes it does, unless you fly with the stall limiter on
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Krupnski is really the one who trademarked the tailslide in the 109s.
Everyone gives it far more credit than it's worth, the tail slide is nothing but a cheap reversal that's usually a last ditch maneuver when you're out of options. (Well I do it when I'm bored too :D)
But seriously people give it far too much credit.
Try to do it into the cv hanger :rofl
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Try to do it into the cv hanger :rofl
Done it, on more than once occasion.
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Done it, on more than once occasion.
:aok
Dude we need to wing up before i leave !
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109F4 is a great Tailslider :aok
:cheers: Oz
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109F4 is a great Tailslider :aok
:cheers: Oz
At 9mins :D http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=rawMdPlHsIw#t=539
Shame I can't shoot
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Everyone other than myself knows this move. :cry
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I think that if you have separation and E there us plenty of other things to try other than forcing a HO
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Everyone other than myself knows this move. :cry
:D Its not a go to move, but it will make for some nice kills
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It's not a tail-slide. It's an over the top stall. Every beginner of aviation is taught to avoid this by not cross-controlling at slow speed.
Sorry. It's not macho either. :devil
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It's not a tail-slide. It's an over the top stall. Every beginner of aviation is taught to avoid this by not cross-controlling at slow speed.
Sorry. It's not macho either. :devil
Like running a full sector from a single con to avoid an even fight only to turn and come back to pick when said con is now engaged with multiple friendlies is "macho."
:rofl
Why don't you take your RunStang and fight Latrobe's 47 co alt and e, with rule that no one can go further than 1.5K separation, and anyone who "extends" for more than 5 seconds is the automatic loser.......
:aok
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automatic loser.......
You should know better than anyone what that's all about, huh? :aok
I'm rally surprised this topic showed up in F&S 10 days ago and in all this time no one pointed out what was really going on. Nice 'experts' we have around here (includes you weaper).
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You should know better than anyone what that's all about, huh? :aok
:rofl
I lose plenty of fights, no doubt there, but unlike you I'll fight, not run like a scared girl.
:lol
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Forgive me if I'm wrong, but isn't a tail slide the same as a tail skid? And that is what you give opposite rudder while banking. In other words right rudder when banking left and left rudder while banking right.
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Forgive me if I'm wrong, but isn't a tail slide the same as a tail skid? And that is what you give opposite rudder while banking. In other words right rudder when banking left and left rudder while banking right.
That's what I thought :headscratch:
:cheers: Oz
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I'm rally surprised this topic showed up in F&S 10 days ago and in all this time no one pointed out what was really going on. Nice 'experts' we have here (includes you weaper).
Plenty of discussion about it there, and everyone knows what it is.
And you're the last one to talk of what is "macho."
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Joachim had it almost perfected IMO. Savage.
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I do something similar in the A6M3...but I tend to push a bit to much rudder and end up flopping the plane completely over and find myself flying in the opposite direction. Really is a last ditch attempt to stay alive and reposition myself in a fight i.e. useful if you have multiple cons on your 4 to 7 o'Clock trying to pick you (pretty much a constant situation when flying a zeke in a crowded furball).
Kinda fun to watch the speed dweebs barrel on by... :devil
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Er....yes it does, unless you fly with the stall limiter on
I think HTC has made spin entry from uncoordinated controlling a bit less harsh much like Warbirds 3 and later did................most likely to retain subscribers.
Sorry to inform that many pilot's "bag of tricks" are full of things are not fully rooted in realism but rather things that work in certain areas of the flight modeling that have departed from realism.
Try warbirds 2.77 or a real plane and you will instantly pay the penalty for having one wing moving substantially slower than the other at high bank angles with full rudder fed in and high back pressure on the stick.
I still think Aces High is the best thing going but my experiences in a real cockpit of aerobatic types clash with certain things we are able to do here.
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1 famous tail slide http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2Ftac6mwfg
Real pilots are such liars.
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I've always said 109's are easy mode. ;)
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I lose plenty of fights, no doubt there, but unlike you I'll fight, not run like a scared girl.
Be quiet Reaper90! How dare you speak to I'mChallenged that way, know your place until you've mastered sophisticated and snappy ACM like his fantastic 'Cobra Roll' ©™:-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jS5es2PcHKg
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I think HTC has made spin entry from uncoordinated controlling a bit less harsh much like Warbirds 3 and later did................most likely to retain subscribers.
Sorry to inform that many pilot's "bag of tricks" are full of things are not fully rooted in realism but rather things that work in certain areas of the flight modeling that have departed from realism.
Try warbirds 2.77 or a real plane and you will instantly pay the penalty for having one wing moving substantially slower than the other at high bank angles with full rudder fed in and high back pressure on the stick.
I still think Aces High is the best thing going but my experiences in a real cockpit of aerobatic types clash with certain things we are able to do here.
Oh I agree completely about the realism part. The so called 'tailslide' in aceshigh is a desperate and unrealistic move. More than anything it would slam the pilot around so violently that continued control would be very difficult.
Years and years ago I used to enjoy practicing this in the spitV. Overall though it is a gimmick and not a form of ACM I would ever want to teach to a pilot I wanted to keep alive.
However, I just think that your original comment was far too broad sweeping and inaccurate.
When you can fly half a sector missing half a wing, your rudder authority is a bit excessive.
This is why we seen these types of maneuvers.
Of course, I used to land zeros missing a wing in warbirds so aces high is a bit more realistic as far as rudder authority but aces high does not penalize you when you pull back on the stick with way too much rudder fed in by snapping you into an immediate spin.
Any fighter aircraft in the game is subject to violent stalls when elevators and rudder are combined poorly.
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Forgive me if I'm wrong, but isn't a tail slide the same as a tail skid? And that is what you give opposite rudder while banking. In other words right rudder when banking left and left rudder while banking right.
That's a side slip. My God haven't you reading our squad forum!? :joystick:
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kazaa in his spit 16
lepape in his jug
Jo in his K4
All do variations of this "tail slide" I would argue theirs were very effective because they would get a controlled shot on the way down after recovering.
Putting your plane into a vicious stall just to evade guns is no better than a gimmick because it burns too much altitude and energy and doesn't help you go on the attack. You might live one pass longer! :old:
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I see many people here would happily lead a campaign to rename the tail slide to the "The Candelaria Gimmick".
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kazaa in his spit 16
lepape in his jug
Jo in his K4
All do variations of this "tail slide" I would argue theirs were very effective because they would get a controlled shot on the way down after recovering.
Putting your plane into a vicious stall just to evade guns is no better than a gimmick because it burns too much altitude and energy and doesn't help you go on the attack. You might live one pass longer! :old:
Well said. I forgot about those two! Kazaa had a dirty one in his bird. Lepape was nasty in the jug as well.
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Like running a full sector from a single con to avoid an even fight only to turn and come back to pick when said con is now engaged with multiple friendlies is "macho."
:rofl
Why don't you take your RunStang and fight Latrobe's 47 co alt and e, with rule that no one can go further than 1.5K separation, and anyone who "extends" for more than 5 seconds is the automatic loser.......
:aok
:rofl :rofl :rofl.......pointless bud........even though you are dead on correct...... chalenge-flyinfin-krusty........you will never get a "fight" out of them....they have no fight in them.....I say their heart pumps koolaid.... and where I am from those are fighting words......yet all they can do is punch keyboard keys. :rofl :rofl
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Forgive me if I'm wrong, but isn't a tail slide the same as a tail skid? And that is what you give opposite rudder while banking. In other words right rudder when banking left and left rudder while banking right.
No
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A tailslide is a great airshow maneuver. It has no tactical advantage in air combat.
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I use it as a last ditch effort to evade or escape a desperate situation. It in my eyes is a last option.
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That's a side slip. My God haven't you reading our squad forum!? :joystick:
:lol I get bored reading if the post is more than a paragraph long. I need pictures of little planes and lines with arrows to figure out how to fly fancy :joystick:
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Pointless thread, I tried to do teh tail slide half a dozen times tanked and I can't do it, bullsnots.
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People like these type of threads because they're hoping for a "one move cures all" when they get into trouble......which we all should know by now won't beat good solid ACM and SA.
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People like these type of threads because they're hoping for a "one move cures all" when they get into trouble......which we all should know by now won't beat good solid ACM and SA.
Good SA trumps anything, even if you forget ACM.
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Tailslides only work in a situation where your enemy has truckloads of E and a superior position.
If you try to do it in a low E fight you just fall over and die.
Its a very precise maneuver and one that takes a lot of skill and dexterity to use properly.
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Its a very precise maneuver and one that takes a lot of skill and dexterity to use properly.
eeehm... no.. no I would definitely say this is a more accurate description of the tail slide:
I use it as a last ditch effort to evade or escape a desperate situation. It in my eyes is a last option.
If you try to use it consistantly as an actual move in a fight I would think your ACM is lacking because there are far, faaar better maneuvers and/or reversals to be doing that will not waste all of your E.
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Tailslides only work in a situation where your enemy has truckloads of E and a superior position.
If you try to do it in a low E fight you just fall over and die.
Its a very precise maneuver and one that takes a lot of skill and dexterity to use properly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwTuFLHldWg
The F4U-4 was diving in from my tall six. I started to pull up when I seen the threat (cannot see out the back of an F6F).
But that was alot of luck, as I am not normally that lucky at shooting them on the way through.
But your right at low speed, it normally makes you a sitting duck.
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If you try to use it consistently as an actual move in a fight I would think your ACM is lacking because there are far, faaar better maneuvers and/or reversals to be doing that will not waste all of your E.
Well that may be true.
It is a very situational move but not one I would look down on.
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Well that may be true.
It is a very situational move but not one I would look down on.
It is a situational move, I use it myself! I am just saying that if you try to overuse it all the time to make people overshoot you're going to notice you have no E left after a few passes, especially bad if you're in a multi con situation.
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Lets just call it a Waffle Cone cause its tasty. Use whatever flavor ice cream you want.
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Good SA trumps anything, even if you forget ACM.
What exactly is good sa?
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You guys call it what ya want..........I'm calling it the "Latrobe Fancy Move" :joystick:
If I join the 56th FG do I get to learn the Latrobe Fancy Move? :cheers: :banana: :airplane:
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If I join the 56th FG do I get to learn the Latrobe Fancy Move? :cheers: :banana: :airplane:
Absolutely not! We encourage our squad mates to stay alive....not get themselves killed :D
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This thread is funny.
ALL...and I mean ALL good players in this game KNOW how to win the SCISSORS...thats what it's all about fellas....fancy tail slides, flat plate, hammer heads..etc...are all BS. They work for last ditch evasion..no doubt....but conversion to guns...is another matter.
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What exactly is good sa?
Beats hell out of me, in scenarios I could face twenty enemy fighters and come out with half a dozen kills, in the main arena however - B17s could sneak up behind me and I'd never know.
I've never understood that period.
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Absolutely not! We encourage our squad mates to stay alive....not get themselves killed :D
I take pride in my number of deaths! :D
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Tailslides can be used in few occasions. Ie enemy slightly behind, enemy diving in from higher alt, use it to pull a quick snap shot.... Etc
There is also MANY variations to this move. To decide which variation at the right time is how one can actually master the move.
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Tailslides can be used in few occasions. Ie enemy slightly behind, enemy diving in from higher alt, use it to pull a quick snap shot.... Etc
There is also MANY variations to this move. To decide which variation at the right time is how one can actually master the move.
Roooooobbbiiiiiiieeeeeeeeeee :O
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Absolutely not! We encourage our squad mates to stay alive....not get themselves killed :D
Then the 56th is not for me. I die all the time (but at least I look good while plummeting to the ground) :devil
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Then the 56th is not for me. I die all the time (but at least I look good while plummeting to the ground) :devil
fight me :D
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fight me :D
Fisticuffs? Hard to fight you when you are on the same side as me. :huh
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Then the 56th is not for me. I die all the time (but at least I look good while plummeting to the ground) :devil
Lol, Uptown said we encourage members to stay alive, we do our equal share of killing and being killed.
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you guys are weird :rolleyes:
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you guys are weird :rolleyes:
I have seen weird - I ain't weird:)
Now that day you were toejame-faced on moonshine - that was weird! :D
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:lol
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Weird= Alcohol content above 0.8 :banana:
open container in vehicle :x
we are trying to kill :aok
trying to swerve everywhere. :joystick:
What ever happened to the eight hour rule. :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
And I still get my :ahand :bhead :bhead :bhead :bhead :bhead :bhead :bhead
That is what I call wierd.
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I didn't use the move often in the MA. Mainly done it in the DA with friends just for fun. Its pretty cool to see in film if it works lol.
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I didn't use the move often in the MA. Mainly done it in the DA with friends just for fun. Its pretty cool to see in film if it works lol.
yep totally with you on that lol
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I didn't use the move often in the MA. Mainly done it in the DA with friends just for fun. Its pretty cool to see in film if it works lol.
Made an awesome profile shot for Redbull yesterday with. ping ping poof! :x
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yep totally with you on that lol
The Duramax man <3 I will have one!!
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The Duramax man <3 I will have one!!
be smart lol don't buy an lb7. I love my lbz highly recomend that year.
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I want like a 07 or 08
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I want like a 07 or 08
i have an 07, 08 had loads of emissions garbage to get rid of.
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My brothers best friend has a 07 and pulls sleds at truck pulls with it. Its so nice
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My brothers best friend has a 07 and pulls sleds at truck pulls with it. Its so nice
new or old body style?
I'm getting ready for a built trans and 68mm turbo :)
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Why are people calling this a "tail slide?" It's a cobra. A rapid change in nose orientation, similar to what the Su-30 Flanker does. A tail slide is when you fall straight downward from a climb, without doing a hammerhead.
Been known about since 2005: http://john-sanderson.com/files/Aces%20High/old/Cobra30mm.ahf
Nothin' new, seems like a lot of people like to rely on gimmicks and gaminess in AH these days.
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Why are people calling this a "tail slide?" It's a cobra. A rapid change in nose orientation, similar to what the Su-30 Flanker does. A tail slide is when you fall straight downward from a climb, without doing a hammerhead.
Been known about since 2005: http://john-sanderson.com/files/Aces%20High/old/Cobra30mm.ahf
Nothin' new, seems like a lot of people like to rely on gimmicks and gaminess in AH these days.
The cobra is a high AOA braking maneuver. The "tail slide" is more like a lomcevak, both are initiated with a snap roll.
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If were going to make up names for it, I vote Nirshida's 'Cobra Roll' ©™:-
Although Uptown your pick is unique " the Latrobe Fancy Move" it just not catchy like 'Cobra Roll' ©™ or maybe the Luft Wobble since the K4 is so good with it.
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If were going to make up names for it, I vote Nirshida's 'Cobra Roll' ©™:-
Although Uptown your pick is unique " the Latrobe Fancy Move" it just not catchy like 'Cobra Roll' ©™ or maybe the Luft Wobble since the K4 is so good with it.
Already taken (Cobra Roll top center):
(http://i447.photobucket.com/albums/qq197/Chalenge08/CobraRoll_zps9184f53b.jpg)
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Another fine opportunity for a p!55-take missed. The Cobra Roll is Chalenge's [sarcasm]fantastic[/sarcasm] ACM. The fact that if you count the seconds taken for his outrageous maneouvre it takes longer than conventional turning and requires 3000 feet height advantage is entirely besides the point.
Watch the video, it's a hoot.
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Nothin' new, seems like a lot of people like to rely on gimmicks and gaminess in AH these days.
Well, you're right about that. But, this thing Latrobe is doing is even older. It's called a Top Rudder Stall, or Over the Top Stall depending on who you talk to. It has nothing in common with either Cobra move. Just another part of stall fighting. Cobra's have nothing to do with slow speed.
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Another fine opportunity for a p!55-take missed. The Cobra Roll is Chalenge's [sarcasm]fantastic[/sarcasm] ACM. The fact that if you count the seconds taken for his outrageous maneouvre it takes longer than conventional turning and requires 3000 feet height advantage is entirely besides the point.
Watch the video, it's a hoot.
Clueless as usual ho-master. The cobra roll has been around for decades. It has nothing to do with stall fighting. You dweebs keep trying to reinvent the wheel when everything you can do has already been mastered long before you were born, and named.
Even roller-coaster designers know what a cobra roll is. Your attempt at [sarcasm]insult[/sarcasm] fails as usual.
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Hey, here, im the big boy and im telling you!!!
:rofl :rofl :rofl
Ignore him, Shida, if you listen to me.
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Cobra maneuver: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgHoBDW56CI
A variation of the tail Slide/whatever you want to call it: http://www.mediafire.com/download/xphar918e4bpwfb/Ohai.ahf
If you can't tell the difference by now...
/thread
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Hush, De-bore. You are both just alike. Neither of you know much of anything about air combat. You especially. Your little minds can only hold so much, and so you chose to pick what it you want to retain. Stick to you limited engagements. AH has so much more to offer, but I know it's far beyond what either of you can grasp.
If you spend more time behind a bottle (baby bottle included) than you do reading history (air combat in particular) you will never learn anything about maneuvers.
Next you'll be naming the little whirly-winds that comes off of farts!
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Hey chalenge, I rember running down your runstang in a k4 :neener:
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Im glad that im alike with Shida and also more than happy that i know nothing about what you call "combat" :aok
And my soul is lifted by your kind words, sir :rofl
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Oh look, (not a) Chalenge is back, the guy who couldn't score a hit on a free prostitute unless 3 of his buddies were holding her down first, all 3 of them yelling "Chalange, come back! We've got her pinned down!"
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Oh look, (not a) Chalenge is back, the guy who couldn't score a hit on a free prostitute unless 3 of his buddies were holding her down first, all 3 of them yelling "Chalange, come back! We've got her pinned down!"
Reaper, you are truly disgusting.
@Zach: No you don't.
Cobra Roll (I know none of you will understand what you are seeing):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCs0usbL2DM
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laughable :rofl
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:rofl :rofl :rofl
you're pathetic.
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Call it what ya want but I call it "go up.. turn around.. and shoot the somebeech" move. Now if ya had added a back flip and a twist of lime you'd have the "RattleHeaded Copper Moccasin" move. I've only done it once and damned near put my eye out. :joystick: :old:
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Just exactly what I thought. Well, if nothing else you ladies prove that even a collection of dweebs can't muster one lick of sense.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zorhEzuYfvM
:aok
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:noid
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Just exactly what I thought. Well, if nothing else you ladies prove that even a collection of dweebs can't muster one lick of sense.
:lol
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Just exactly what I thought. Well, if nothing else you ladies prove that even a collection of dweebs can't muster one lick of sense.
:rofl :rofl :rofl
Hilarious, you getting all butt hurt after you get laughed at for being a condescending pr!ck to a bunch of guys who, for the most part, could beat you like a rented mule in a straight up fight that didn't involve you starting with a 5K alt advantage or you "extending" for 1.5 sectors after your first missed gun pass.
The only thing you know about fighting is what you've seen 25K below you.
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Pure awsome :aok
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Wasn't this the vaunted move they showed in "Red Tails"? Which is kind of like AH with better graphics, IMHO.
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:rofl :rofl :rofl
Hilarious, you getting all butt hurt after you get laughed at for being a condescending pr!ck to a bunch of guys who, for the most part, could beat you like a rented mule in a straight up fight that didn't involve you starting with a 5K alt advantage or you "extending" for 1.5 sectors after your first missed gun pass.
The only thing you know about fighting is what you've seen 25K below you.
:rofl
so i guess if i asked you for that awesome p51 sound chaleneg id get a big fat no?
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Chalenge is my friend :)
That is all, now back to your regular scheduled program of beating the crap out of each other........... :airplane:
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Chalenge is my friend :)
That is all, now back to your regular scheduled program of beating the crap out of each other........... :airplane:
SHUT UP ZONEY! WE HAVE NO TIME FOR KINDNESS!
CHALENGE YOU SUCK!!!
:D
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I prefer the Lobster Roll myself
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ho-master.
Never met you in game, don't know where you've got that idea from.
The cobra roll has been around for decades. It has nothing to do with stall fighting. You dweebs keep trying to reinvent the wheel when everything you can do has already been mastered long before you were born, and named.
Well no, wouldn't want to risk a stall, that might waste some energy, of gas even :D
Ignore him, Shida, if you listen to me.
He's funny though, thinks he's awesome. He's like one of those little ankle-biting dogs that things he's a Rottweiler :lol
Hush, De-bore. You are both just alike. Neither of you know much of anything about air combat. You especially. Your little minds can only hold so much, and so you chose to pick what it you want to retain. Stick to you limited engagements. AH has so much more to offer, but I know it's far beyond what either of you can grasp.
Listen Nancy, be all accounts and every video you've posted you fly around up top looking for players with less energy or engaged, swoop down for your picks and zoom back up again. Any monkey with a little red fez and suitable music playing in the background could do that. The day I concede you know more about ACM is the day I have my head surgically replaced by a tomato.
Your pathetic Cobra Roll took you longer to move your thrust vector than a conventional turn with the energy you had and considerably longer than any one of a number of post-stall manoeuvres.
If your mind is so much more massive than all of ours, then how come you haven't worked out how delusional you are yet, and all the rest of us have?
:neener:
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Never met you in game, don't know where you've got that idea from.
Well no, wouldn't want to risk a stall, that might waste some energy, of gas even :D
He's funny though, thinks he's awesome. He's like one of those little ankle-biting dogs that things he's a Rottweiler :lol
Listen Nancy, be all accounts and every video you've posted you fly around up top looking for players with less energy or engaged, swoop down for your picks and zoom back up again. Any monkey with a little red fez and suitable music playing in the background could do that. The day I concede you know more about ACM is the day I have my head surgically replaced by a tomato.
Your pathetic Cobra Roll took you longer to move your thrust vector than a conventional turn with the energy you had and considerably longer than any one of a number of post-stall manoeuvres.
If your mind is so much more massive than all of ours, then how come you haven't worked out how delusional you are yet, and all the rest of us have?
:neener:
the little ankle bitter thinking its a rottweiler is a perfect metaphor for him. :aok
I still haven't seen him back up his mouth....
him and finn are twins.
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the little ankle bitter thinking its a rottweiler is a perfect metaphor for him. :aok
I still haven't seen him back up his mouth....
him and finn are twins.
-I POWN YA ALL, LITTLE NOONES!!!
-Come, prove it, you choose the ride.
-IM NOT GOING TO FIGHT YA CUZ I POWN YA ALL, LIL NOONES!!!
-ok.
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-I POWN YA ALL, LITTLE NOONES!!!
-Come, prove it, you choose the ride.
-IM NOT GOING TO FIGHT YA CUZ I POWN YA ALL, LIL NOONES!!!
-ok.
:rofl :rofl :rofl
and its "moonbats" get it right :old:
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(http://www.simpsoncrazy.com/content/wallpapers/scenes/AngryMobFunRun_1024.jpg)
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I feel that I should throw a brick for some reason.
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From now on I'm just going to post this pic whenever Chalenge comments on something because I know the next several pages will be priceless entertainment until the thread is locked up tighter than a drum.
(http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk121/TheAmish/this-is-gonna-be-good.gif) (http://s279.photobucket.com/user/TheAmish/media/this-is-gonna-be-good.gif.html)
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Next you'll be naming the little whirly-winds that comes off of farts!
I believe these are called butt vortices.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butt_vortices
:D
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What happened to the subject of tail sliding. :confused:
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you guys forgot the Agent360 "9 pound hammer" move....I figured somebody would show it in this thread....HAHAHAHAHA
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Oh yea and what about these ..."secret moves"...you have to be "in the club" to know about these
The double snake
The lawn mower
The grasshopper
The squirrel
Plan B
The drunken bum
A fist full of dollars...aka - 5k money
And last is....infamous
The middle finger Polaroid....aka - the MFP
:O
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I am thinking the the double snake is just 2 Cobra Rolls back to back which is usually followed by the lawn mower , fading into the grasshopper a which point most will try Plan B.
Do you confirm Agent, or was I missing something?
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I must confess to relying too heavily on The Drunken Bum. :old:
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I must confess to relying too heavily on The Drunken Bum. :old:
:rofl :rofl I think that's most of us around here :cheers:
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I am thinking the the double snake is just 2 Cobra Rolls back to back which is usually followed by the lawn mower , fading into the grasshopper a which point most will try Plan B.
Do you confirm Agent, or was I missing something?
I confim...WHO told you about this..we have leak.
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I confim...WHO told you about this..we have leak.
Changeup I bet. I seem him hittin on a couple chicks in the o'club last night talkin bout, "you wanna see my ACM's?"
:noid
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Changeup I bet. I seem him hittin on a couple chicks in the o'club last night talkin bout, "you wanna see my ACM's?"
:noid
:noid
That may be true of Changeup but I thought I saw one of those chicks throw something in his face and said something about the MFP.
But the real source was the SAPP archives, you don't really believe there is anything they are not aware of do you ?
:noid
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Clueless as usual ho-master. The cobra roll has been around for decades. It has nothing to do with stall fighting. You dweebs keep trying to reinvent the wheel when everything you can do has already been mastered long before you were born, and named.
Even roller-coaster designers know what a cobra roll is. Your attempt at [sarcasm]insult[/sarcasm] fails as usual.
shida is a ho master? I think you may have a credibility issue.
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What happened to the subject of tail sliding. :confused:
Shredding Chalenge's so-called ego is just an extension of the core topic of this thread. At the extremes of the ACM spectrum you have two opposing philosophies, those that want to manoeuvre close in with everything regardless of their aircraft, the situation or energy state and the Dicta Boelcke faction who want to minimize risk and survive all of their sorties. Each faction gets their fun in their own way and cannot understand the other's choices.
At the extremes the resentment becomes more astute towards the Dicta Boelcke faction when they start lecturing the other like ACM experts. Certain players around here, one in particular I've had a lot of contact with just cannot cope with an intense close-in fight. They don't have the spacial awareness, fine control or reflexes. Their egos seem to drive them to take the Dicta Boelcke route and then the typical preaching about their awesomeness and everyone else's deficiencies.
I think it's a shame the AH community has classified this class of manoeuvres under the 'Tail Slide' banner. Misleading name I think. There's no end of YouTube vids showing aerobatic manoeuvres. It's a testament to the AH flight model that you can do most of these.
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At the extremes the resentment becomes more astute towards the Dicta Boelcke faction when they start lecturing the other like ACM experts. Certain players around here, one in particular I've had a lot of contact with just cannot cope with an intense close-in fight. They don't have the spacial awareness, fine control or reflexes. Their egos seem to drive them to take the Dicta Boelcke route
I was in a fat jug and manoeuvred close in with ROCKY's P51, it didn't take long for him to Dicta Boelcke his way to ack.
If the DB guys (pun intended) spent a little time and learned how and why they get beat in the manoeuvers by seeing some actual fights through, they wouldn't have to DB it.
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The eagle's claw is the deadliest fighting style known to man, I invented it all by myself, it was never invented before that :old:
After using the eagle's claw for just 5 minutes Bruv could only see in black and white for a week! :old:
After instructing zack in the eagle's claw he grew a hairy back like a werewolf and vowed to never use the eagle's claw again :old:
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I was in a fat jug and manoeuvred close in with ROCKY's P51, it didn't take long for him to Dicta Boelcke his way to ack.
If the DB guys (pun intended) spent a little time and learned how and why they get beat in the manoeuvers by seeing some actual fights through, they wouldn't have to DB it.
See, I was thinking about this earlier but didn't say anything.... but since you threw it out there....
ROCKY is a squaddie of mine. I see people spewing hate on 200 all the time about him not turning back to fight them on their terms. You wanna refer to that as DB flying, OK. It's not my style, and I spew plenty of hate for runners on 200 in hopes of getting them to turn. Once in every blue moon, it works. But mostly they fly their way and I find another fight.
That's how ROCKY wants to fly. More often than not, he lands 5+ kills on each sortie if the dar bar is big. I have several squaddies that are the "stay fast and live" type of flyers. That's how they like to fly. I'm sure that is how Chalenge wants to fly as well.
And I have no problem with that...... because this game is what you make it, and there's room for everybody.
You wanna know what the difference is? ROCKY is a great guy and one of the coolest guys I've shared the vox with. What you won't see from ROCKY is the type of behavior you get from Chalenge..... coming into a thread like this and being an arrogant, condescending bag of d!cks to everyone as if he was the be-all end-all authority on ACM.
It's not so much how you fly as much as how you look at other people for the way they fly.
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After instructing zack in the eagle's claw he grew a hairy back like a werewolf and vowed to never use the eagle's claw again :old:
I heard you liked Zack's hairy man-back!
:O
:uhoh :bolt:
:D
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I heard you liked Zack's hairy man-back!
:O
:uhoh :bolt:
:D
I heard you like porridge with sugar :old:
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:noid
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ROCKY is a squaddie of mine.
Doom was too, last time i checked in. I just hate how he flies, yet i think he has a good personality. He was always killing me in all kinds of "dirty" ways (vulch, gang, etc), yet i only could laugh on it, because unlike most of the MA, that man has a good sense for humour and irony. Some may find it strange, but i could even get along with Hoagi after we talked to each other.
NoChalenge, FlyinFuzzy, Hoss or TKO are completely different - no skills yet even bigger arrogancy. Even worse if you try to talk to them normally. I would say, ignore them, in game, and in here.
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I fought ROCKY on his terms Reaps, he just lost and ran off kicking and screaming for his score.
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I fought ROCKY on his terms Reaps, he just lost and ran off kicking and screaming for his score.
Way to miss the point, Dolby.
:aok
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What happened to the subject of tail sliding. :confused:
it "slipped" away :D
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That's how ROCKY wants to fly.
'nuff said.
I was in a fat jug and manoeuvred close in with ROCKY's P51, it didn't take long for him to Dicta Boelcke his way to ack.
If the DB guys (pun intended) spent a little time and learned how and why they get beat in the manoeuvers by seeing some actual fights through, they wouldn't have to DB it.
My observation is that once a player has made his choice in that particular fork of the road it's usually for good.
Takes a certain amount of humility to relearn in here and those with big egos preclude themselves from that.
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I was in a fat jug and manoeuvred close in with ROCKY's P51, it didn't take long for him to Dicta Boelcke his way to ack.
So practicing "Self Preservation" in Aces High is frowned upon? :huh
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So practicing "Self Preservation" in Aces High is frowned upon? :huh
well, if we all practice that and we get good at it, we should only see friendlies in the sky hovering over HQ :old:
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'nuff said.
My observation is that once a player has made his choice in that particular fork of the road it's usually for good.
Takes a certain amount of humility to relearn in here and those with big egos preclude themselves from that.
I was once the DB player, cared for score and picked all day long. It wasn't till bluefire came back and taught me to fly under 10k and learn as you go, sure enough I did. I still tend to fly under 10k just for the fight and knowing I can win.
Then again I learned one key element, I tend to be a jack of all trades player - well in the DA, scenario, fso and MA while nothing special.
As for ego, that went out the door years ago because frankly I accomplished all I needed, there is no ego because frankly what more do I need to accomplish? only the young guns think they need one.
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I was once the DB player, cared for score and picked all day long. It wasn't till bluefire came back and taught me to fly under 10k and learn as you go, sure enough I did. I still tend to fly under 10k just for the fight and knowing I can win.
Then again I learned one key element, I tend to be a jack of all trades player - well in the DA, scenario, fso and MA while nothing special.
As for ego, that went out the door years ago because frankly I accomplished all I needed, there is no ego because frankly what more do I need to accomplish? only the young guns think they need one.
:noid :noid :noid :noid :noid :noid
Well put
Ego thing creates unneeded drama between players and squads.
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Here is an example of the flying that probably angers people.
The linked thread has a film of it and it's titled "10 warps, 3 ack hugs, a HO, and a vulch."
Watch the film and comment here.......or there.
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,350532.0.html
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Welp, this thread was a mess.
Latrobe, you should upload more videos. Getting back to the original topic, and all that.
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I have not really seen any actual "true" tail slides done in Aces High in quiet some time.....
I have never taught or instructed any players to use a "TailSlide" while in a dogfight, I have only encouraged any of my students to learn how to do a proper tailslide to learn extreme sensitive control over their flying abilities and what they could achieve over learning how to push the envelope, etc.....
on many occasions, mainly back around 2005 and earlier like 2001, etc... I had several players I took to the TA or DA to teach them how to do a proper Tail Slide.....
A proper "TailSlide" to me is going straight up completely vertical using just a slight bit of aileron control to keep the fuselage from torquing/twisting as the plane slowed to "0" IAS ( Indicated air Speed -> the white needle on mph gauge )
Then once one has reached that point of no forward climb , they use NO rudder, and use very slight aileron input to keep the aircraft from spinning/twisting as the plane slides downward vertically ......
EDIT:I typed so fast, I left out a small but important part, one would also need to use some very minute input in regards to elevator control/authority to keep the plane from nose-ing forward or flopping backwards...... use looking out of your right view or left view, to use the horizon to keep your plane perpendicular or in other words completely vertical....
I would first ask them to try and drop (slide backwards vertically) say somewhere around 150 feet to 300 feet........... then I would try to get them to practice more and try to reach 500 feet to 1,000 ft, etc....... before the airframe would nose over or flop backwards or twist off to one wing or the other.....
none of this was taught to be used in BFM/ACM ...... it was taught to teach the person how to gain as much total control of their aircraft and nothing more
one person I recall showing them this, was Greebo, after he asked me how I got lucky and out maneuvered his F6f5 with my F4U1 in the MA....... btw , I did not use a tail slide "per Say" on him.......... we just went to another arena and we practiced some stuff....... heck that was like 11 or 12 years ago if my memory serves me right........
their are a lot of others out there, who I showed this to, but I would never teach or encourage one to use a tailslide to try and do/use in a dogfight..... however learning to climb straight vertical, all the way until your speedometer reaches "0" is a good way of learning how to hang on the prop, in which can sometimes lead to what people might refer to as a Rope or Roping someone......
That is how I view and think of a Tailslide maneuver........ use it to learn control over your own plane and your own skill of flying said plane.......
There is so much to learning what one's own aircraft platform is and isn't capable of doing..... the thing is 95% or more never take the time to push their plane to it's limits/capabilities....
my thoughts anyhows
Hope this might clear up some of the "TailSlide Confusion" posted in this thread...... but probably won't, heh
:cheers:
TC
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If your mind is so much more massive than all of ours, then how come you haven't worked out how delusional you are yet, and all the rest of us have?
It's far more difficult for children and adolescents than it is for adults to come to terms with how delusional they really are.
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"Thrash Whip" or some such I heard someone call it.
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Here is the answer!!!:
Torque roll into a tail slide performed by Sean D. Tucker:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-TbfXYIYHo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-TbfXYIYHo)
That is a tail slide and it is exactly what it sounds like it is. An aircraft pointing straight up but falling straight down. Tucker does it with a torque roll as well.
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does this count as a tail slide or does the rotation make it something else?
oops, I forgot the link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXMmp4uber4
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"Thrash Whip" or some such I heard someone call it.
thats my film lol it's called thrash because that's who I killed :) :ahand
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Apparently Miss Cyrus has read this and has she has been working on her own version of the "Miley tail slide"
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Be quiet Reaper90! How dare you speak to I'mChallenged that way, know your place until you've mastered sophisticated and snappy ACM like his fantastic 'Cobra Roll' ©™:-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jS5es2PcHKg
Lol. omg really?
Wow, challenge. I don't know how you killed that guy with that 5k alt disadvantage you had.
nice "signature" move you got there.
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does this count as a tail slide or does the rotation make it something else?
oops, I forgot the link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXMmp4uber4
That's a tailslide with rotation. :aok The non-rotating tail slide is trickier.
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Lol. omg really?
Wow, challenge. I don't know how you killed that guy with that 5k alt disadvantage you had.
nice "signature" move you got there.
Watch out, next thing you know, he's going to attempt to force people to pay just to fight him in the MA.
:lol
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Lol. omg really?
Wow, challenge. I don't know how you killed that guy with that 5k alt disadvantage you had.
nice "signature" move you got there.
:rofl
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Wasn't much of a cobra roll, that's for sure. A simple rope is what I saw form the youtube onboard
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1.) Amazed to see this thread is still active...Fulcrum decides to peek in.
2.) Fulcrum watches video of patent-pending "Cobra Roll".
3.) Fulcrum gets a good laugh and recalls why he's never subscribed to Chalenge's Youtube videos.
4.) Fulcrum wonders why he's writing in third-person style?
:huh *shrug* :banana:
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Cobra roll, tail slide, hammerhead, whatever. All I know is I just love entering a furball for the first time when a bandit is taking up one of my countrymen into the vertical and reaching out and saying hello with 6 .50 caliber machine guns while they're hanging there like a ripe piece of fruit ready to be picked. I call it the "wow that explosion sounded cool" maneuver.
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Some simply shorten it to "He was dumb and now go BOOM!" :D
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Had first hand experience of Latrobe's U-turn stall tonight. While he didn't manage to quite kill me with the move, and even though predictably he lost all angles positioning in the attempt, I have to say it is a terrifying experience to see his plane spin towards me like that. He did kill me many times without using the U-turn stall. Most excellent fights and very fine Jug flying.