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Offline wpeters

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Latrobe's Tail slide
« on: August 28, 2013, 04:21:19 PM »
I believe to answere your question Latrobe that the sliceback (emergency :neener:) is what you call a tail slide.


The Sliceback is an evil manoeuvre, a dirty trick to pull on a bandit who’s comfortably on
your long six o’clock. It comprises a gentle zoom with an aggressive skid near the top
followed by a nose-low opposite rudder reversal to bring you near head-on with your highly
rattled pursuer. You will need quite a bit of separation for this move since you burn a lot of
energy in the reversal – don’t try it if the bandit is anywhere near guns range. It is best
employed by a fighter with high wingloading and considerable rudder authority, in a situation
where a flat or oblique turn would most likely give the enemy a full planform snapshot. The
manoeuvre requires a good deal of rudder-aileron coordination and should not be attempted
without first having perfected the technique. The “trick” is to mask the airspeed decrease
with the low speed skid – the follow-up rudder reversal usually comes as a nasty shock.
The sliceback is useful in a standard dogfight as well. If you're energy-rich but
angles-poor in a turning fight, the reflexive behaviour is to honk back on the stick and bleed
energy to stay with the bandit. This leads without fault to black-out from excessive gravity
loads, to loss of visual contact and sacrifice of the energy advantage. A more cautious pilot
will normally zoom in the bandit’s rear hemisphere and roll his lift vector onto him for a
high yo-yo. While this is certainly good in most cases, it’s time-consuming and thus allows
the bandit a respite during which angles are lost. The outcome is generally a nose-to-nose
fight where either or both will succumb to head-on shots or collision.
In this situation it is far better to use the vertical and a bit of rudder work. E.g. in a
left turning fight where you have an energy advantage on a bandit who's breaking hard to
left, you nose up and skid right (top rudder) with a bit of left aileron to counter the roll, then
rudder hard to left, nose low while adding a bit of right aileron. This is a sort of vertical lag
displacement sliceback which doesn't cost you much energy and which gives you a low yo-yo
snapshot at the bandit (who sustains his left turn). Follow it up with another high sliceback if
he keeps up his turn, and with a steep barrel roll (canopy to bandit) if he reverses.

Tell me what you think guys. All I know is if you do the slice back at the right time. The bandit is in for a surprise HO :banana:
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Offline morfiend

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Re: Latrobe's Tail slide
« Reply #1 on: August 28, 2013, 04:29:42 PM »
  A slice back is similar to a low yoyo,a pitch back is similar to a high yoyo,you described a pitch back not a slice back.

  That's all I have to say on this subject,I could point out many things incorrect but I'll leave it at that.



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Re: Latrobe's Tail slide
« Reply #2 on: August 28, 2013, 04:32:08 PM »
I heard from someone that it's called a tailslip. Is this correct?

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Re: Latrobe's Tail slide
« Reply #3 on: August 28, 2013, 05:12:25 PM »
Would someone just give him the swap nose for tail instant kill code so he will get over it.

If I remember correctly the dot command that makes your fighter have (0) as it's weight is:

.2grlinacp

And the no miss inside of 600 AI lock on bullets command is:

.MinIsTny

And the Klingon invisibility cloak is:

.IisAchtr

If I'm not mistaken, actually generating these commands from the keyboard while in the game arenas sends a notification to Skuzzy and starts a 15 second countdown for a game crash to the desktop. Guess the nose for tail code needs to be added to the notification list and subsequent CTD.

But, until then, someone give willy pete the derned code and sush him up.
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Re: Latrobe's Tail slide
« Reply #4 on: August 28, 2013, 05:31:38 PM »
bustr why do you insist on making these awkward, unfunny posts all the time?
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Re: Latrobe's Tail slide
« Reply #5 on: August 28, 2013, 05:39:43 PM »
I heard from someone that it's called a tailslip. Is this correct?
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Re: Latrobe's Tail slide
« Reply #6 on: August 28, 2013, 05:51:39 PM »
3of9 got me with a beautifully timed one of those, but I couldn't get any sense from him after that wasn't ones or zeros... Very strange fellow.
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Re: Latrobe's Tail slide
« Reply #7 on: August 28, 2013, 06:16:08 PM »
I heard from someone that it's called a tailslip. Is this correct?


 Latrobe,

   I'm not sure what you are referring to but what a lot of players in AH call a tailslide isn't,it is a form of aerobatics that would be more likely called a tumble.

  A proper tailslide involves flying straight up until zero airspeed and then falling straight back down tail first.  You can do this quite nicely in the TA 152 and if done correct you can use the elevator to bring the nose down.

  Most the films I've seen of these socalled tailslides are either tumbles or some type of a snap stall,which is just an accelerated stall.


     YMMV.



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Re: Latrobe's Tail slide
« Reply #8 on: August 28, 2013, 06:25:45 PM »

 Latrobe,

   I'm not sure what you are referring to but what a lot of players in AH call a tailslide isn't,it is a form of aerobatics that would be more likely called a tumble.

  A proper tailslide involves flying straight up until zero airspeed and then falling straight back down tail first.  You can do this quite nicely in the TA 152 and if done correct you can use the elevator to bring the nose down.

  Most the films I've seen of these socalled tailslides are either tumbles or some type of a snap stall,which is just an accelerated stall.


     YMMV.



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Yes, I found out what an actual tailslide is which is why I was trying to find out what I should call this move.

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Re: Latrobe's Tail slide
« Reply #9 on: August 28, 2013, 06:40:01 PM »
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Re: Latrobe's Tail slide
« Reply #10 on: August 28, 2013, 06:41:03 PM »
You guys call it what ya want..........I'm calling it the "Latrobe Fancy Move"  :joystick:
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Re: Latrobe's Tail slide
« Reply #11 on: August 28, 2013, 06:44:22 PM »
Krupnski is really the one who trademarked the tailslide in the 109s.

Everyone gives it far more credit than it's worth, the tail slide is nothing but a cheap reversal that's usually a last ditch maneuver when you're out of options. (Well I do it when I'm bored too :D)

But seriously people give it far too much credit.
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Re: Latrobe's Tail slide
« Reply #12 on: August 28, 2013, 06:46:41 PM »
bustr why do you insist on making these awkward, unfunny posts all the time?
Same reason you feel the need to pop off to people all the time.

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Re: Latrobe's Tail slide
« Reply #13 on: August 28, 2013, 07:07:24 PM »
Krupnski is really the one who trademarked the tailslide in the 109s.

Everyone gives it far more credit than it's worth, the tail slide is nothing but a cheap reversal that's usually a last ditch maneuver when you're out of options. (Well I do it when I'm bored too :D)

But seriously people give it far too much credit.

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That.

I've watched Krup doing it long before I figured out how to do it. I like to just go into the middle of furballs in my P-47 and pull this move when I'm bored because it's so much fun trying to line up a shot while doing it.  :rolleyes: :joystick:

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Re: Latrobe's Tail slide
« Reply #14 on: August 28, 2013, 07:16:26 PM »
When you can fly half a sector missing half a wing, your rudder authority is a bit excessive.

This is why we seen these types of maneuvers.

Of course, I used to land zeros missing a wing in warbirds so aces high is a bit more realistic as far as rudder authority but aces high does not penalize you when you pull back on the stick with way too much rudder fed in by snapping you into an immediate spin.