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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: TopGear on August 30, 2013, 12:32:16 PM
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I brought my 04 ford 1/2 ton to a mechanic. The rear u-joint was shot and he says he can't change it, needs to go to a machine shop. What kind of joint do they have in these trucks? I've changed my fair share of u-joints, just don't have anytime right now to do my own repairs. He said its quite different than what he's done before. Thanks.
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looks pretty straight forward to me...
(http://repairguide.autozone.com/znetrgs/repair_guide_content/en_us/images/0996b43f/80/20/10/ec/medium/0996b43f802010ec.gif)
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It's probably the type that has the snap ring on the inside instead for the outside, and can't figure out how to get the U-joint out of the yoke.
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I'm looking forward to hearing about this one. :huh Kind of like the first time I heard about non-serviceable wheel bearing units. :rolleyes:
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If it has staked u-joints you're probably going to wind up replacing the shaft. :frown:
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there should be no reason he can't do it there. if he can't, then it's time to find a new mechanic. those can be done literally with a wrench, vise grips, and a hammer.
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If it has staked u-joints you're probably going to wind up replacing the shaft. :frown:
I was on my cell when he called and didn't clearly hear what he called them. I'm under the assumption that he knows what he's doing and they are not the simple press in type joint. Guess I'm just curious what makes these such a pain to replace.
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I was on my cell when he called and didn't clearly hear what he called them. I'm under the assumption that he knows what he's doing and they are not the simple press in type joint. Guess I'm just curious what makes these such a pain to replace.
if it's a plain old cross type......4 point......u-joint, it should just press out and back in.
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Man, I am so glad, to NOT be in the car biz, anymore..
All I have ever known or needed to know is internal or external clip U joints..
But now they have special unrepairable ones that require a new shaft???
Probably save .25c for C/clips on the production costs of their disposable cars..
Makes me wanna puke..
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there should be no reason he can't do it there. if he can't, then it's time to find a new mechanic. those can be done literally with a wrench, vise grips, and a hammer.
I looked thru a bunch of forums and finally found one that has a step by step on it. But the replacement u-joints are $100 each???
http://www.f150forum.com/f72/replacing-staked-u-joints-175529/
Probably save .25c for C/clips on the production costs of their disposable cars..
Makes me wanna puke.
While I was searching the forums I read that it cut 2 people from each assembly line. They only had to buy a $1.5M piece of equipment for each line. It was such a disaster that they stopped after 2 years and went back to traditional clip-in and scrapped the machines. Big money savings, huh?
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Should be just a standard U-joint with external clips, ford has not used internal clips since the late 80's early 90's. my guess you have a F-150, is it a long bed? might have a carrier bearing on and some people just like to touch them shafts.
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It was a staked u-joint. Now we are on a long weekend so I won't see t back til tuesday, maybe Wednesday. A bonus is it went to a driveline specialty shop and they have a policy of every driveline needs to be balanced again before it leaves. Not something I was concerned about but can't hurt to have done.
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i just learned something. i have never seen one of these. thanks for that link rpm. i had no clue anyone would be dumb enough to design a "permenant" u-joint.....but i'm also not surprised it was friggin ford that tried.
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i had no clue anyone would be dumb enough to design a "permenant" u-joint.....but i'm also not surprised it was friggin ford that tried.
I hear ya. I'm a Ford Guy to the bone, but they can pull some frikkin' doozies. I think it was actually a Japanese (Honda?) idea from the 80's that they abandoned, but leave it to Ford to try and make it work. :bhead
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I hear ya. I'm a Ford Guy to the bone, but they can pull some frikkin' doozies. I think it was actually a Japanese (Honda?) idea from the 80's that they abandoned, but leave it to Ford to try and make it work. :bhead
it may have been....but like i said....i've never seen a staked u-joint like that.
it helps though, knowing that the nissan gtr uses ford technology in their engine. i'm sure nissan diehards don't much care for that though. :devil
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genuinely curious CAP1, which part of the VR38 does ford come in to play? I have always had a thing for GTR's (I have had 2 r32 Skyline GTR's)
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Crap forgot all about those shafts,only did one and pressed it out like normal....self cleaning stakes lol.
Want to hear a most excellent Ford idea.......the Fusion, Escape and a couple of other of new model year vech, you have to take the doors off to take the dash board out :bhead There is an 11 inch bolt that holds the dash frame in and is part of the side impact protection. Had to do a evap core on a brand new escape a month ago and wile the car was apart the customer came in and wanted to get his m3 player out of the console and he nearly passed out when he saw his brand new car with 700 miles on it tore apart like that, all I could do was shrug and say "Fords better idea" :rolleyes:
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How about having to remove the cab to work on the engine? Now that's progressive thinking.
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Thats a smart move too :bhead when the 6.0 came out and the first 2 I ever saw had to be pushed off the car carrier and I had to put high pressure pumps in them my days of fixing diesels was done right then and there, have not touched one since.
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i would have passed that evap core to another mechanic....unless it paid gold.
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i would have passed that evap core to another mechanic....unless it paid gold.
Cap that job only paid 7.2 hrs, I have been working for Ford for almost 28 years now and they cut our times on doing a job on a daily basis. Ten years ago you could work a good pace for half a day lean on your tool box for the rest of the day and still make 10-12 hrs, now we have to bust our butt's for 8 hrs and we are lucky if we make 8. Times have changed big time, we have to do a huge amount of training 95% of it is web based [1-3 hrs a class] that we do at home on our own time with no pay just to stay certified. I dont know how it is with other manufacturers but Ford tech's are dropping like fly's and no new blood is coming in, in another 10 years there will be no one left to fix the cheap hunks of junk Ford pushes off on the public as quality product. I could go on forever about how ford just keep cutting our throats wile they keep posting record earnings, it's sad to be a tech for Ford in today's world.
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Cap that job only paid 7.2 hrs, I have been working for Ford for almost 28 years now and they cut our times on doing a job on a daily basis. Ten years ago you could work a good pace for half a day lean on your tool box for the rest of the day and still make 10-12 hrs, now we have to bust our butt's for 8 hrs and we are lucky if we make 8. Times have changed big time, we have to do a huge amount of training 95% of it is web based [1-3 hrs a class] that we do at home on our own time with no pay just to stay certified. I dont know how it is with other manufacturers but Ford tech's are dropping like fly's and no new blood is coming in, in another 10 years there will be no one left to fix the cheap hunks of junk Ford pushes off on the public as quality product. I could go on forever about how ford just keep cutting our throats wile they keep posting record earnings, it's sad to be a tech for Ford in today's world.
7.2 for that????? that's nuts. i don't think i've seen anything new....other than cars like the cavalier, and the old ford fox bodies......with less time than about 10 hours. i did a chrysler sebring i think it was.......almost 14 hours on that friggin heap.
i have a customer with an old windstar. 3.8 liter. his son called me from va, saying it was running rough, what should he do? i told him to take it by a local shop, have it diagnosed, and call me. whelp...he took it to a goodyear, and got assraped for almost $900. the cel was back on by the time he got back to nj....and still running rough. they took it to a local goodyear(due to warranty), where they were told that once the cel's been cleared, they needed to take it to a ford dealer to have the puter reprogrammed. he took it to a local ford dealer(1/4 mile from my shop), where they told him that he needed a new engine. at this point, the kids father stepped in, and got me on the phone. when they tested the misfire at the dealer, they found #1 dead, and #4 i think it was to be very weak. that's when they told him engine.
i'm thinking you already know what was wrong with it....but it wasn't an engine.......
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^ I have heard of Canadian tire trying to scam people who don't know better into buying a new engine when its a minor problem, what ended up being the problem with the van cap? plugs?
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genuinely curious CAP1, which part of the VR38 does ford come in to play? I have always had a thing for GTR's (I have had 2 r32 Skyline GTR's)
the engine block. it's a wire arc process that makes the cylinder just as strong as a sleeved cylinder, but it saves about 40 pounds on the weight of the block.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_transferred_wire_arc_thermal_spraying
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what ended up being the problem with the van cap? plugs?
plugs or plug wires?
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i'm thinking you already know what was wrong with it....but it wasn't an engine.......
Does the part that fixed it start with a "C" lol
Horror shows go both ways sometimes dealers are no better that a bad independent shop. I bet we could share some story's that would make people ditch their car go back to riding horses again :devil
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the engine block. it's a wire arc process that makes the cylinder just as strong as a sleeved cylinder, but it saves about 40 pounds on the weight of the block.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_transferred_wire_arc_thermal_spraying
ah I never realised ford was the company that developed plasma coating cool info
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^ I have heard of Canadian tire trying to scam people who don't know better into buying a new engine when its a minor problem, what ended up being the problem with the van cap? plugs?
plugs or plug wires?
Does the part that fixed it start with a "C" lol
Horror shows go both ways sometimes dealers are no better that a bad independent shop. I bet we could share some story's that would make people ditch their car go back to riding horses again :devil
it was plugged EGR ports. this engine has a single egr port in the intake runner for each cylinder. when you remove the upper plenum, it looks like there's fuel injectors sticking out, pointing up.
what had happened, was that all ports 'cept #1 were plugged. by them plugging up, now all the recirculated gases are being fed to only 1 cylinder, effectively putting out the fire in there.
when the ford tech got the van, he simply ran the cylinder power balance test through the scanner. he'd never taken the time to run a physical compression test on that, or any other cylinder. by skipping that single step, he screwed himself. when i saw the report that they gave the customer, i duplicated the problem, scanned for codes, then compression checked that cylinder, and only one other to verify good compression....#1 was around 150 cranking. after that, i just started looking for sources thart could kill a known good cylinder, and found the egr to be the culprit.
i gotta say, the dude was happy to not have to buy a new van or engine....
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ah I never realised ford was the company that developed plasma coating cool info
they didnt develop it alone......but they did perfect it. hell...they had to get something right besides the mustang sooner or later, right?
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A lot of ford techs don't know the first year you could get the 300 inline six with sequential injection.
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you would be supprised about how many "technicians" don't know info like that, as a lot of the time they don't really care if it doesn't involve fixing the vehicle, in my experience, dealerships are nowhere near the best place to get your car serviced, unless it is under warranty or you /your mechanic don't have the proper diagnostic equipment
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you would be supprised about how many "technicians" don't know info like that, as a lot of the time they don't really care if it doesn't involve fixing the vehicle, in my experience, dealerships are nowhere near the best place to get your car serviced, unless it is under warranty or you /your mechanic don't have the proper diagnostic equipment
which is why my gt will never set foot on a dealers property, unless she'd doa and under warranty......or being traded in on a boss or shelby..
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If you're replacing the ecu, you will surely need to know it since non-sequential mode cars have injector wires combined meaning they are not interchangable.
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it was plugged EGR ports. this engine has a single egr port in the intake runner for each cylinder. when you remove the upper plenum, it looks like there's fuel injectors sticking out, pointing up.
what had happened, was that all ports 'cept #1 were plugged. by them plugging up, now all the recirculated gases are being fed to only 1 cylinder, effectively putting out the fire in there.
when the ford tech got the van, he simply ran the cylinder power balance test through the scanner. he'd never taken the time to run a physical compression test on that, or any other cylinder. by skipping that single step, he screwed himself. when i saw the report that they gave the customer, i duplicated the problem, scanned for codes, then compression checked that cylinder, and only one other to verify good compression....#1 was around 150 cranking. after that, i just started looking for sources thart could kill a known good cylinder, and found the egr to be the culprit.
i gotta say, the dude was happy to not have to buy a new van or engine....
I was thinking coil pack since they are very common, the clogged ports show up when driving causing the concern when the egr opens up, must have missed that part.