Aces High Bulletin Board
General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: Blinder on September 22, 2013, 05:03:07 PM
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Does anyone here remember an old game called Secret Weapons of the Luftwaffe? So far as I know, except for a few poorly modeled versions for MS Flight Simulators, no one has a good working Dornier Do 335.
(http://www.wwiivehicles.com/germany/aircraft/fighters/dornier-do-335-pfeil-fighter/dornier-do-335-pfeil-fighter-03.png)
Has this ever been talked about on here as a good potential perk plane for high altitude interceptor missions?
Just curious because I loved flying this thing way back when I had SWOTL.
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Has this ever been talked about on here as a good potential perk plane for high altitude interceptor missions?
Plenty of times.
But it was never in operational service in WW2.
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Mega Finn will be here shortly with his ta152 talk :D
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Plenty of times.
But it was never in operational service in WW2.
All the more reason to put it in the game. Play out those "what-if" scenarios.
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All the more reason to put it in the game. Play out those "what-if" scenarios.
Hitech has "rules" for airframe inclusion.
1. Must have seen combat(debateble in general)
2. Must have seen squadron strength
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All the more reason to put it in the game. Play out those "what-if" scenarios.
After all the missing major WW2 toys had been added, yes. Big gaps in the genuine WW2 plane set still open. :aok
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All the more reason to put it in the game. Play out those "what-if" scenarios.
Well. This ain't SWOTL. Was fun in it's day but that's not what AHII is about.
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Ok what if, why stop at the Arrow..... :rolleyes:
(http://www.skyunlimited.net/gotha_images_fsx/gotha_fsx_2.jpg)
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The Go229 did fly, but was never operational. It flew in the US post-war as well.
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No to the Pfeil. And im a luftweenie. ;)
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We have so many aircraft that need to be added in game that served in combat during WW2.
I once argued just because the TBD Bomber would be extremely useless in Aces High, scenarios and never flown in the MA - however historically speaking? The Do-335 doesn't even touch it.
AS for Aces high there has to be a balance, Main Arena players and Scenario players. We need to fill out aircrafts that served their time out of respect before we throw in planes that didn't even get off the prototype stage.
Maybe when all the Combat flown aircraft get done, we can maybe look into Aces High 1946.
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Maybe when all the Combat flown aircraft get done, we can maybe look into Aces High 1946.
Which should also be its own separate arena.
As for the OP, -1 for pretty much every reason already stated.
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*ahem*
(http://www.airmuseumsuk.org/airshow/2004/Shut040704/800/images/010%20Gloster%20Gladiator.jpg)
:aok
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Which should also be its own separate arena.
Well, yeah.
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I don't remember this aircraft in SWOTL..... Secret Weapons of The Luftwaffe is what got me started in AH2. I was looking for something similiar and BAM!
.... ACESH HIGH 2. :neener:
I don't much care to hear the following from my dad when talking about AH2:
Does it have the GO-229?
...No, it wasn't in WW2 operationally, therefor it's not in the game.
Well that's F***ing stupid, my GO-229 and my pilot "Wolf" could shoot down you in your b-17 before you could squeeze the trigger...
...Yes, dad you were good in that game, and yes dad, those cannons would shred B-17's.... Now please join this game so I can shoot you down... :joystick: :old:
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Does anyone here remember an old game called Secret Weapons of the Luftwaffe? So far as I know, except for a few poorly modeled versions for MS Flight Simulators, no one has a good working Dornier Do 335.
(http://www.wwiivehicles.com/germany/aircraft/fighters/dornier-do-335-pfeil-fighter/dornier-do-335-pfeil-fighter-03.png)
Has this ever been talked about on here as a good potential perk plane for high altitude interceptor missions?
Just curious because I loved flying this thing way back when I had SWOTL.
Ugly, Ugly plane.
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I don't remember this aircraft in SWOTL.....
It was on the expansion disk along with the He162, P-38 Lightning and the P-80 Shooting Star.
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Ugly, Ugly plane.
Don't give up Vink! There is a better looking one :)
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/KingCobra.jpg)
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If looks were the main criteria, this one beats them all:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f1/North_American_F86-01.JPG)
:D :D :D
(No arena for this one, yet, either.)
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Wow! What a tough crowd. :salute
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(http://www.shopdowncity.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/4a16682u1_2.jpg)
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Arlo is the one with his hand on the other guys knee... :old:
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Arlo is the one with his hand on the other guys knee... :old:
Snailman is the guy with the knee. :D
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Note my eyebrow raised in irritation :old:
Or was it anticipation? :noid
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It's a new dog. :O
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Ok. You guys are in trouble now.
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-zR6XDtlLxEc/Ttj9BR61BwI/AAAAAAAAN2Q/esNfkRizYaE/s1600/GR03j.jpg)
I went over to Warbirds and brought back my own tough crowd! :neener:
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You kidding? That's the rest of us. :D
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Ok what if, why stop at the Arrow..... :rolleyes:
My dad was consulted for the Horten in SWOTL. I had no idea until I saw an old copy at his house and asked if he flew it on his PC and he said no, he just helped them model it. He said I could have it but it wasn't very good, so I passed.
I would really like to see it modeled by HTC even though Horten's idea of the bell shaped lift profile, negative lift at the wingtips, never worked as intended to eliminate adverse yaw. Too bad it doesn't fit the criteria for inclusion.
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For those of us old enough to remember a time where the closest we'd get to flying WW2 fighters was the models we built, SWOTL, Aces over Europe and Aces over the Pacific were great fun.
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For those of us old enough to remember a time where the closest we'd get to flying WW2 fighters was the models we built, SWOTL, Aces over Europe and Aces over the Pacific were great fun.
AotP is STILL the best (offline) WWII sim ever. The immersion level just hasn't been matched since. Getting to fly USN, USMC, USAAF, IJN or IJA; multiple campaigns for all of them; the huge plane set; the use of the historical awards, ranks and decorations; the ace pilot wingmen and adversaries; etc. They just did EVERYTHING right.
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AotP is STILL the best (offline) WWII sim ever. The immersion level just hasn't been matched since. Getting to fly USN, USMC, USAAF, IJN or IJA; multiple campaigns for all of them; the huge plane set; the use of the historical awards, ranks and decorations; the ace pilot wingmen and adversaries; etc. They just did EVERYTHING right.
I really enjoyed AOE.
European Air War was fun too. My oldest son and I would wing together on a LAN. That one was able to suck us in pretty good
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AoE was good, but it really seemed to be missing something when compared to AotP. In part I think it really hurt that your only campaign options were for the lead-up to Normandy and there was no early war option (seriously, no BOB?!)
European Air War was great. It was definitely the best of the late-90s crop of sims (EAW, CFS2, Jane's WWII Fighters, Fighter Squadron all came out right around the same time). The Pacific Storm total conversion was AWESOME.
Going back a little bit earlier, I LOVED 1942: The Pacific Air War. Strategy mode was a REALLY cool concept, getting to manage task groups, launch strikes, patrols, etc., and also getting to fly the sorties yourself when contact was made.
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For those of us old enough to remember a time where the closest we'd get to flying WW2 fighters was the models we built, SWOTL, Aces over Europe and Aces over the Pacific were great fun.
IIRC European Air War was the one where if you strafed a house troops would run out of it. :lol
It's been a while since I wrote a batch file to launch a DOS game but I still have my 5 inch floppy's for 16 color Red Baron.
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IIRC European Air War was the one where if you strafed a house troops would run out of it. :lol
It's been a while since I wrote a batch file to launch a DOS game but I still have my 5 inch floppy's for 16 color Red Baron.
I'd forgotten about the running troops but that's right. I think my son discovered it by accident on a strafing run and it took a few times to figure out what we were seeing. That and the gawd awful noise and shake right before the plane stalled :)
I'd forgotten Red Baron too. That one was fun as well. Seems like there was another WW1 sim back then too. Jeez I feel old :)
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I enjoyed EAW and many of the mods written for it.
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Don't give up Vink! There is a better looking one :)
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/KingCobra.jpg)
Beautiful airplane. ;)
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Seems like there was another WW1 sim back then too. Jeez I feel old :)
Rowan's Flying Corps.
ack-ack
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Rowan's Flying Corps.
ack-ack
:aok. One must not forget Mig Alley or Battle of Britian as well.
My only complaint with Rowan was the keyboard configuration for their games was....ahhh...'weird'...hard to describe it otherwise...never felt right to me.
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Rowan's Flying Corps.
ack-ack
There was a comedy/spoof sim during WWI that used FMV cutscenes, but I can't remember what it was called now.
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Knights of the sky and Red Baron, both came out the same time period and I was hooked on both.
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For those of us old enough to remember a time where the closest we'd get to flying WW2 fighters was the models we built, SWOTL, Aces over Europe and Aces over the Pacific were great fun.
Yep Battlehawks 1942 Their Finest Hour SWOTL AOTP and AOE were like answered prayers back in the day. :old:
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I played almost all the sims mentioned here back in the day. And yes, I remember before we even had computers (which doesn't make me all that old, I'm not even 40 yet).
My first real sim was Battle of Britain, Their Finest Hour. I probably put in thousands of hours in that. But I have to give a +1 to the Aces of the Pacific references. It was my favorite flight sim for years after it came out. I had SWOTL too with the expansion disk, and I did enjoy the strategic campaign mode a lot, getting to manage the air war, but AoTP was still my favorite for its superior flight model and immersion. Later I also had the 16 color Red Baron (kind of went backwards technology wise, as it was the predecessor of AoTP), and the immersion there were superb as well. My first jet sim was Jetfighter 2.0, and it just had too much compromised realism, and very little immersion due to a weak campaign mode, so I didn't play it all that much. I had the original Comanche, and while its graphics were cutting edge for its time, it was so unrealistic that I only fired it up to show people what graphics could be like.
Then around the time I entered High School, Falcon 3.0 and Microprose's F-15E Strike Eagle III, came out, and I played both of those for years. Falcon 3.0 had the better immersion and campaign, while F-15 III had the better graphics, flight model, and overall realism.
In college, after some research, I picked European Air War out of those 4 WW2 sims somebody mentioned that came out near the same time, and I concur, it was the AoTP of its day. It remains my favorite offline WW2 sim even today, although my current computer wont run it. I also got Longbow 2.0, but it never ran correctly on any of my computers so I missed what was one of the greats by all accounts. Then I discovered Jane's Fighters Anthology, which was my first real experience playing against others online, as we would set up a LAN as several friends and I would set up missions. There was even a competitive base attack mode that vaguely resembled the concept that AH uses, although on a MUCH smaller scale of course. I played Luftwaffe Commander during this time as well, and that was another pretty good one although not quite up to EAW standards by no means. The only civilian flight sim I ever had during this time was Flight Unlimited III, which I enjoyed (it had a nice P-51). I had Janes WW2 fighters and Janes F-15, neither of which I ended up playing much. The campaign modes just weren't what I was looking for. I like realism to an extreme degree; and if it has nice graphics too thats just icing on the cake. But above all, I have always craved immersion, and a sense of being part of a larger operation. The sims that had dynamic campaign modes were my favorite, and that was always the elusive goal of the '90s sims. Look how many promised it and never delivered! I got Red Baron 3d, but it just wasnt up to the original Red Baron in my mind. Mig Alley was awesome, if a bit buggy. Right before I graduated college, I discovered Air Warrior III, and played it very briefly. Shortly after that, I discovered Aces High (in early 2001) and never looked back.
Since then I have played Hind, Su-27 Flanker 2.0, Janes USAF, Falcon 4.0, Microsoft FS 2003, Il-2 (including most of the expansions), Strike Fighters, Wings over Vietnam, Rise of Flight, and X-Plane 10. Every single sim in that last sentence is awesome, but none of them have held me like Aces High, due to the online competition being so much more demanding and rewarding than offline mode (I know some of those have online modes, but its not as accessible). I know I have skipped many lesser known sims that I have owned and/or played, but the above were the best of them.
The sims that I think I would have enjoyed but never got to play more or less chronologically: Battlehawks 1942; Aces Over Europe; Tornado; Pacific Air War; Flying Corps; B-17 Flying Fortress, the Mighty 8th; Apache vs Havoc/Comanche vs Hokum; Battle of Britain; Warbirds; WW2 Online.
Ones I haven't tried yet but will probably end up getting: Il-2 Cliffs of Dover; DCS A-10C and Ka-50; other sims from Third Wire Productions.
Just looking back over this list brings back lots of fond memories. There needs to be a Hall of Fame for flight sims at an aviation museum somewhere, with suitable old computers set up to run each of them. That would be awesome.
As to the original topic for this thread, I don't think the Do-335 fits the criteria for inclusion into AH, as cool of an airplane it obviously is. There are still a number of planes that would be useful in the MA and in special events left (Ki-100, Fiat G55, Re2005, CR-42, J2MJack, P-61, A-26, Beaughfighter, Fairey Firefly, Gladiator, SB2C, etc), not to mention whole new categories if they ever added floatplanes and flying boats for example (Kingfisher, PBY, Sunderland, Emily, Arado 196, etc).
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Boy .... you guys skewed this thread off topic like a Stratofortress crabbing in a crosswind! :rolleyes:
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