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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: GScholz on September 23, 2013, 12:21:09 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muYFZVj-kDY
A scifi animated short by Kaleb Lechowski. If would be awesome as a tv series or feature film.
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i'd watch that...very cool.
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I thought it was pretty much like that, minus the extra arms and weird head/face with skin flaps.
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... and plus whiny humans and their silly interpersonal idiosyncrasies coupled with overt religious and political commentary.
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... and plus whiny humans and their silly interpersonal idiosyncrasies coupled with overt religious and political commentary.
You kidding? Starbuck kicked arse. :D
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Yes she did. I was more interested in the back bridge-talker though... At least until she gave her sidearm a blowjob over a lovers quarrel. The Korean Raptor chick was great too. That series began so great and had such potential.
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... and plus whiny humans and their silly interpersonal idiosyncrasies coupled with overt religious and political commentary.
isn't that considered character development? don't get me wrong, some could have been better, but I thought the series kicked..
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It definitely kicked until the last season, when they tried to sum up the entire story and realized that much of what they had done in the name of good drama made no sense whatsoever. The "Final Five" story is filled with holes big enough to drive a battlestar through, and the ending flew in the face of common sense (anyone living on Earth 50000 years ago with nothing but the most basic tools is lining up to be cat food...that was seriously our role in life back than, and the reason we invented Tender Vittles to take our place). Furthermore, the final fate of the characters is incredibly sad: they all got wiped out, with only Hera's genetic pool surviving, and even *she* died at a young age.
It just goes to show what happens when you write a storyline-heavy series without any idea of how it's going to end.
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isn't that considered character development? don't get me wrong, some could have been better, but I thought the series kicked..
only they were as developed as an embryo...they went terminator meets all my children on the entire story.
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I really disliked when they turned it into psudo-Iraq with a human insurgency and suicide bombers on New Caprica.
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(anyone living on Earth 50000 years ago with nothing but the most basic tools is lining up to be cat food...that was seriously our role in life back than, and the reason we invented Tender Vittles to take our place). Furthermore, the final fate of the characters is incredibly sad: they all got wiped out, with only Hera's genetic pool surviving, and even *she* died at a young age.
It was actually based on sound science, and it was 150,000 years ago. Not 50,000. 150,000 to 200,000 years ago the upright walking man, called Homo Erectus, began diverging into the animal who became modern man, called Homo Sapien, which all of us are. There actually was a Mitochondrial Eve, a single female who gave birth to children and established a gene pool that evolved into modern man. http://io9.com/5878996/how-mitochondrial-eve-connected-all-humanity-and-rewrote-human-evolution
Say what you want about the series or the ending, and believe me I loved both, but one cant argue the ending was make believe. It WAS based on actual science which can be proved by DNA analysis. BTW somehow the critter who became modern man really DID survive with only basic tools. Or no tools.
With all the lousy endings of series I found BSGs both fitting and beautiful. Yeah it was sad when Starbuck flew away as an Angel but at least she had lived life pretty well and banged 1/2 the fleet.
I didnt like how Sci Fy handled "Caprica" and it really pissed me off when they didnt pick up "Blood and Chrome". I thought that series had more of a future to it.
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oh come one Rich, that "science" has yet to explain how advanced people appeared to have gone backwards rather than progressed further at some stage in the supposed "evolution". we must all be mutations generated from inbreeding...
blood and chrome did look promising...i thought it was a good chance to delve deeper into the original storyline. i'm guessing between bsg and caprica, they lost enough fans blood and chrome wouldn't have been worthwhile.
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Battlestar Galactica: Blood & Chrome looked good, to bad they dint run with it :rock
http://screenrant.com/battlestar-galactica-blood-chrome-online-webseries-episodes/ (http://screenrant.com/battlestar-galactica-blood-chrome-online-webseries-episodes/)
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Nm...
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It was actually based on sound science, and it was 150,000 years ago. Not 50,000. 150,000 to 200,000 years ago the upright walking man, called Homo Erectus, began diverging into the animal who became modern man, called Homo Sapien, which all of us are. There actually was a Mitochondrial Eve, a single female who gave birth to children and established a gene pool that evolved into modern man. http://io9.com/5878996/how-mitochondrial-eve-connected-all-humanity-and-rewrote-human-evolution
Say what you want about the series or the ending, and believe me I loved both, but one cant argue the ending was make believe. It WAS based on actual science which can be proved by DNA analysis. BTW somehow the critter who became modern man really DID survive with only basic tools. Or no tools.
With all the lousy endings of series I found BSGs both fitting and beautiful. Yeah it was sad when Starbuck flew away as an Angel but at least she had lived life pretty well and banged 1/2 the fleet.
I didnt like how Sci Fy handled "Caprica" and it really pissed me off when they didnt pick up "Blood and Chrome". I thought that series had more of a future to it.
I stand corrected on the date, but the thing is, we did not develop much in the way of tool sets during that time, which is kind of what you'd expect if 20 000 humans with advanced knowledge arrived. Even if they had only developed simple things like pottery, the bow, or basic metallurgy, the effect would have been staggering at the time. The mitochondrial eve idea, which is based on science, would support the hypothesis that Hera's ancestral line was the only one that survived, all other Colonial and Cylon bloodlines died out in a couple of generations, and even Hera herself was killed as a young woman.
What doesn't make sense is that the Colonials didn't just give up on high tech, they gave up on *all* tech, because if they hadn't, there would have been a sudden spurt in human development at the time. We would have gone into the iron age if nothing else. To throw away even the basic tool-making skills that would have set them apart from the humans of the era was just plain suicide, and the net result fits in with the storyline: they all got wiped out, with the only thing surviving being Hera's DNA. From a point of view of plain old survival, the choice made by the Colonials made no sense at all. Maybe you give up firearms and more sophisticated tech, but could you not at least make some decent bows? An iron-headed spear? Maybe farming? If we are to believe that the Galactica timeline is our own, then the Colonials developed *nothing*, not even the most basic skills of civilization, which, given their intelligence, makes no sense at all. Can you seriously imagine that they wouldn't even craft so much as a hammer? Because according to the fossil record, they didn't.
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oh come one Rich, that "science" has yet to explain how advanced people appeared to have gone backwards rather than progressed further at some stage in the supposed "evolution". we must all be mutations generated from inbreeding...
I dont really know what that means. That a single woman introduced DNA that over time was dispersed into the population, over thousands of years evolving into what is known as modern man, should not be hard to believe. DNA profiling can take any of us and tell us exactly what region we come from and our entire ancestral lineage. Watch the video https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/
Im not talking about a single mitochondrial HillBilly woman spitting out banjo players in between snorts of crank. It was a dynamic process that spanned thousands of years, included many individuals, and spanned great distances as the human animal migrated. But the whole story DID start with a single breeding pair and we all share the same DNA. Hell we share 97% of the DNA of chimpanzees because we both evolved from the same animal, splitting up only 6,000,000 years ago. An evolutionary eye blink.
My guess is they didnt give up any advanced knowledge to the young human race because they didnt want a chance of a repeat of another "this has happened before" and instead wanted to break the chain. Their own self destruction very likely came from the same events when the evolved parent humans gave them advanced knowledge which accelerated their scientific development ending in the creation of a self aware cylon who turned on them.
They didnt want it to happen again. And who knows how Herra got pregnant? Maybe they got over run by the smelly humans and Herra got abducted and got pregnant by smelly man. We'll never know how it happened only that Herra did have off spring whose DNA produced modern man.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitochondrial_Eve
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Oh, and BTW, heres some cool sci fi. http://youtu.be/BfJVgXBfSH8
I hear Spielberg is going to make a TV series of it.
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Oh, and BTW, heres some cool sci fi. http://youtu.be/BfJVgXBfSH8
I hear Spielberg is going to make a TV series of it.
very cool but...nnnnnnnooooooo!!!! not spielberg!!! hell william shatner would do a better job...
I dont really know what that means. That a single woman introduced DNA that over time was dispersed into the population, over thousands of years evolving into what is known as modern man, should not be hard to believe. DNA profiling can take any of us and tell us exactly what region we come from and our entire ancestral lineage. Watch the video https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/
Im not talking about a single mitochondrial HillBilly woman spitting out banjo players in between snorts of crank. It was a dynamic process that spanned thousands of years, included many individuals, and spanned great distances as the human animal migrated. But the whole story DID start with a single breeding pair and we all share the same DNA. Hell we share 97% of the DNA of chimpanzees because we both evolved from the same animal, splitting up only 6,000,000 years ago. An evolutionary eye blink.
so you honestly believe that modern humans came from a single pair of primitive humans that not only inbred but cross species bred with apes and inbred some more... :headscratch: interesting.
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(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/26232318/1185946_659957927358555_363073187_n.jpg)
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I wonder if there will ever be a scifi series that can match Babylon 5...
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I wonder if there will ever be a scifi series that can match Babylon 5...
Looking at today's TV shows and movies I find that outcome....doubtful. Babylon 5 is my all time favorite SciFi show followed closely by Battlestar Galatica minus the ending.
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I wonder if there will ever be a scifi series that can match Babylon 5...
just another ds9 nothing special...about as entertaining as your evolution chart. :D
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BSG was completely badass and I really didn't mind the ending. I think the writers strike made it worse than it would have been, because they had time to over-think things. I'm reminded of the South Park special where they show how they make each show in just 7 days. They have pretty solid evidence that not over-thinking their episodes results in a better final product than if they tried to make every SP episode "perfect".
That said, BSG did NOT end with gaping plot holes. They sewed everything up pretty dang neatly. The least believable part is that people would leave so much technology behind. I can understand sending the ships into the sun, but I interpreted it as them going back to nature, and probably starving en masse as a consequence of not keeping high quality metal fabrication, tools, guns, etc around. Its a minor issue, I mean how are else are they going to explain the fact that we in fact have not found unexpectedly advanced artifacts 150,000 years old? They were kind of forced to go this route considering they had to explain the importance of Hera, which was to make her Mitochondrial Eve.
Yes, Seasons 1 through the fourth or fifth episode of Season 3 were better than the majority of what came after. So what? Even the worst episode of BSG was many times better anything else on TV at the time. I don't understand the complaining about it. The writer's strike screwed them, nothing they could do, it was still the best damn space show period.
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BSG was completely badass and I really didn't mind the ending. I think the writers strike made it worse than it would have been, because they had time to over-think things. I'm reminded of the South Park special where they show how they make each show in just 7 days. They have pretty solid evidence that not over-thinking their episodes results in a better final product than if they tried to make every SP episode "perfect".
That said, BSG did NOT end with gaping plot holes. They sewed everything up pretty dang neatly. The least believable part is that people would leave so much technology behind. I can understand sending the ships into the sun, but I interpreted it as them going back to nature, and probably starving en masse as a consequence of not keeping high quality metal fabrication, tools, guns, etc around. Its a minor issue, I mean how are else are they going to explain the fact that we in fact have not found unexpectedly advanced artifacts 150,000 years old? They were kind of forced to go this route considering they had to explain the importance of Hera, which was to make her Mitochondrial Eve.
Yes, Seasons 1 through the fourth or fifth episode of Season 3 were better than the majority of what came after. So what? Even the worst episode of BSG was many times better anything else on TV at the time. I don't understand the complaining about it. The writer's strike screwed them, nothing they could do, it was still the best damn space show period.
Plot hole 1: The Final Five's ship took 2000 years to reach Cylon Space traveling at near-light speed. (They didn't have jump engines). Ergo, "Original Earth" and Cylon Space are only 2000 light-years apart (at best), but the Colonial Fleet takes years to cover the same distance. Based on what they said, their trip was effectively traveling from New York to Los Angeles by way of Rio. They went way, way out of their way, and the Colonies are at best only a few jumps from our Earth.
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just another ds9 nothing special...about as entertaining as your evolution chart. :D
Ha ha, very funny motherdiddlya... ;)
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so you honestly believe that modern humans came from a single pair of primitive humans that not only inbred but cross species bred with apes and inbred some more... headscratch interesting.
I already answered that. No we did not come from a single female. But our DNA did. Thats why its mitochondrial Eve and not just "Eve".
Somewhere, somehow, a female critter gave birth to a daughter, who then passed her genes on, and on, and on, eventually breeding with a mitochondrial male, the genetic crossing of which produced the modern human animal. There were many hominid species thru millenia but only one that survived and thrived. It was a process that took thousands of years and many individuals. You seem to think it was like Billy Bob hanging out at the drive in with his sister.
Its funny but I run across people at work, educated people, who have no idea about the science of evolution or about genetics. They seem to think we came from a box of cracker jacks. Or maybe that Adam and Eve thing.
Humans are no more inbred then any other species. Well, in most places at least.
Plot hole 1: The Final Five's ship took 2000 years to reach Cylon Space traveling at near-light speed. (They didn't have jump engines). Ergo, "Original Earth" and Cylon Space are only 2000 light-years apart (at best), but the Colonial Fleet takes years to cover the same distance. Based on what they said, their trip was effectively traveling from New York to Los Angeles by way of Rio. They went way, way out of their way, and the Colonies are at best only a few jumps from our Earth.
Naw, they never answered how fast they go in a "jump". Or how many jumps it would take to get to Cylon Earth. Nor did they even really know exactly where they were going. The one mistake they made is at the end, as they were seeing for the first time their new smelly human neighbors, Baltar made reference to the odds of finding humans a million light years from the Colonies. Obviously the colonies werent a million light years away from smelly earth cause thats to far to travel. But thats the only real plot mistake I can think of.
And what I'd give to have my own #6. (http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr149/Rich46yo/BSG6_zpsf7f88f03.jpg)
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Evolution is slowing down or going backwards due to advances in medicine and the nanny culture we live in.
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here is BGS FTL info
http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/FTL#Faster-Than-Light_travel
FTL jump ranges
The range that Galactica can jump at has never been specified on-screen. However, in a deleted line from the mini-series the jump from Ragnar to the Prolmar Sector is said to be "30 light-years"[4], which is way beyond the red line (maximum safely calculable jump range). This is consistent with Colonel Tigh saying that Galactica could search every planet within 12 light-years for water before having to jump to another sector altogether (Water). On this Wiki, producer Bradley Thompson suggested that internally, the writers had been working on the idea the Fleet had been jumping about 5 light-years at a time, although that does not have to have been its maximum range. Finally, on composer Bear McCreary's blog[5], science advisor Kevin Grazier and producer Bradley Thompson suggested that the final six digits for the jump coordinates Kara interprets from the Music represent distance in SUs. 999,999 SUs - the maximum possible distance that can be inputted - would relate to 15.812 Colonial light-years. The distance inputted during the Battle of the Colony is 365,321 SU or 5.77 Colonial light-years, which is presumably the distance from the Colony to Earth (Daybreak, Part II). There may also be a factoring scale at work, and at close ranges Galactica appears to be able to jump much more accurately, as demonstrated by its jump from several million kilometers directly into New Caprica's atmosphere 100,000 feet above the surface (Exodus, Part II), or a jump of unknown range to within one kilometre of the Colony's surface (Daybreak, Part II).
Cylon FTL ranges are considerably larger. At the end of the series, the Fleet's larger ships have their jump ranges tripled by the installation of Cylon technology (A Disquiet Follows My Soul). However, during the rescue of Colonial resistance forces from Caprica three years earlier, a Raptor squadron outfitted with a Cylon FTL navigation computer traversed in 10 jumps (Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I) a distance that Galactica would have required a minimum of 230 jumps (conservatively) to cross (Pegasus), an improvement by a factor of 23. However, this rescue team was just using the navigation computer to improve their jump calculations. Another example is how many jumps it ended up taking to reach The Colony. When Boomer stole a for some reason un-upgraded Raptor, it took her over a dozen jumps to reach The Colony. But the recon Raptor that was dispatched and even Galactica herself were able to make that distance in one jump with their upgraded FTL drives. Lee Adama even specificly said that The Colony was in Galactica's FTL range which it wouldn't have been before with the un-upgraded drive given Boomer's journey there. With the upgraded drives, Tyrol said that the efficency of the Fleet's jump drive would be trippled and give them a much longer jump range which they believed was key to finding a new world for humanity to settle on. Cylon FTL's were so complicated that even Tyrol didn't understand them fully and said they were going to need rebel Cylons just to do the upgrades.
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Gaeta and Adama discussed it was supposed to be 13,000 ly between the Temple of Hopes and the Ionian Nebula, and there were other distances mentioned in the series. Either way, the Colonials must have been going in circles.
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Had the series been made today no doubt there would have been many more habitable planets and moons, and many more non habitable. The Galaxy was describe by Tigh as a "pretty barren place" but since that episode, and especially since the shooting of the series ended, its been shown the galaxy is anything but barren. Its pretty accepted by scientists that future generations will find the Galaxy chock full of habitable planets, probably in the millions, and many, many billions of planets and moons as well. Hell the Milky Way, a rather small Galaxy, has 200 Billion stars alone.
There so many ways Blood and Chrome could have gone it really breaks my heart they didnt run with it.
If your a BSG fan and havnt seen the movie "The Plan" you really should. It does fill some holes and explain the cylons a little better. It has one of my favorite qoutes in it when a #6 model is listening to Cavil bemoan about how all the other cylons on the ship keep letting him down cause they keep getting involved with humans emotionally. She tells him drunkenly "you can't declare war on love".
I love that series. Every minute of it. http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Main_Page
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you have to remember guys that the fleet jumped a couple or more times without plotting. so they had no idea where they would end up or how far.
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you have to remember guys that the fleet jumped a couple or more times without plotting. so they had no idea where they would end up or how far.
I only remember the Pegasus jumping blind and that only once in "Razor" when the Cylons were attacking. Even in the last episode the Galactica didnt jump blind to the new Earth cause Star Buck did enter coordinates before jumping, the one she got from Herra, the one from the song her father had her play as a child.
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you have to remember guys that the fleet jumped a couple or more times without plotting. so they had no idea where they would end up or how far.
I'm sure you're refering to the writing. That series ended horribly. The casting wasn't great either, casting women to play male characters never turns out well. There were so many things wrong with that series, yet it was so very, very watchable. I'm talking about the new BSG of course.
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The casting wasn't great either, casting women to play male characters never turns out well.
:huh
The roll of Starbuck was rocked by Katee Sackhoff. Exemplary.
(http://thumbbandits.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/Oakley_Kara_Thrace.jpg)
And this is from a guy who was very skeptical until 5 minutes into her portrayal.
Bias .... not always a good thing. ;)
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Yeah, you can criticize a lot of stuff, but the re-imagined Starbuck was a great character and is not one of them. If you seriously think that, then I think you haven't actually even watched five minutes of the show and you have no credibility with me.
Beyond reproach.
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I liked the series but hated Starbuck. She acted like a total A-hole. And Dirk Benedict had better hair. ;)
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I liked the series but hated Starbuck. She acted like a total A-hole. And Dirk Benedict had better hair. ;)
Yeah. Wasn't she good? Had that bad-arse 'jet' fighter pilot persona down. Didn't even take dung from the X.O. :D
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I never found the original series even watchable.
Tella the truth I never even watched the reimaged BSG until about a year ago. Working shift there is always a lot of shows I miss. I got so caught up in BSG I watched the entire series in like 2 weeks after that. I thought Starbuck rocked, even if she was "crazy as a Latrine rat".
Theres a few webisodes floating around. One is "Face of the enemy" http://www.hulu.com/watch/48347 .
The story really had more legs. Another series that broke my heart was "Serenity".
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The story really had more legs. Another series that broke my heart was "Serenity".
Firefly. ;)
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Firefly. ;)
The Serenity appears in the BSG pilot.
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Imo BSG was exactly how BSG should have been. Brilliant.
At first I hated the new Baltar but along the episodes I grew fond of his sleezy womenizing antics and was actually waiting to see what sort of trouble he managed to get to after a few episodes.
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The Serenity appears in the BSG pilot.
Why yes it does.
(First generation Browncoat here. And proud of it. ;))
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She was obviously playing the role of a male character. Oh lets get an ugly actress, give her a butch haircut and throw in some scenes of her kissing dudes and maybe nobody will notice. They did the same thing with the female admiral, although not ugly they had to make her a lezbo because they painted themselves in a corner with the honey trap being number six. But both starbuck and the admiral had flaming male personalities. They did it because they thought that it would be a neato twist on the original story. And boy did it fail because like the rest of the series they didn't think it through, and or they thought that the viewer would be too dumb to care.
My favorite line from the whole series. "You're a bad salesman."
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She was obviously playing the role of a male character. Oh lets get an ugly actress, give her a butch haircut and throw in some scenes of her kissing dudes and maybe nobody will notice. They did the same thing with the female admiral, although not ugly they had to make her a lezbo because they painted themselves in a corner with the honey trap being number six. But both starbuck and the admiral had flaming male personalities. They did it because they thought that it would be a neato twist on the original story. And boy did it fail because like the rest of the series they didn't think it through, and or they thought that the viewer would be too dumb to care.
(http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/lol.gif)
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Found it. Standing on it's own it's not that funny. But in the context of the show it was. The scripting was melodramatic suspense, so when somebody would say something that the viewer or a real person would say it was very funny without breaking the fourth wall.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvB4tTwhQXI
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The other funny moment was when Xena told the president that she was a cylon.
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She was obviously playing the role of a male character. Oh lets get an ugly actress, give her a butch haircut and throw in some scenes of her kissing dudes and maybe nobody will notice. They did the same thing with the female admiral, although not ugly they had to make her a lezbo because they painted themselves in a corner with the honey trap being number six. But both starbuck and the admiral had flaming male personalities. They did it because they thought that it would be a neato twist on the original story. And boy did it fail because like the rest of the series they didn't think it through, and or they thought that the viewer would be too dumb to care.
My favorite line from the whole series. "You're a bad salesman."
You obviously never saw season 1 "Colonial Day" (http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr149/Rich46yo/Starbuck-in-a-dress_zps0be4d198.jpg)
Starbuck was hot and she could be very feminine. I thought Sackhoff nailed the part.
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That's good pic of her because it doesn't show her face.
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As far as TV women go, she isn't even a little bit hot. Rather ordinary, even for a woman you would see on the street.
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Starbuck was hot and she could be very feminine. I thought Sackhoff nailed the part.
Amen. :D
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As far as TV women go, she isn't even a little bit hot. Rather ordinary, even for a woman you would see on the street.
Which lends credibility. If she was picked to play the part because she was a 'model' .... well ..... pfffft. She plays Starbuck because she could. Even managed to up the role a notch. :)
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A hilarious moment was when she caught Baltar choking the weasel when she went to take her cylon test. :lol
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How much you want to bet the "you're a lousy salesman" line and xena telling the pres. that she's a cylon were ad libs. They've got to be because the humor is at the expense of the script.
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How much you want to bet the "you're a lousy salesman" line and xena telling the pres. that she's a cylon were ad libs. They've got to be because the humor is at the expense of the script.
Dunno. But you do seem to presume a lot and your dislike and bias aren't hidden in the least. :D
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You mean I'm biased against stuff that I don't like?? Holy toejam you just blew my mind! Anybody else notice that so many of this guys posts aren't about the topic but the people posting about the topic. I bet he's posted thousands of posts like this.
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that's what the Arlo does. it is what it is...
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You mean I'm biased against stuff that I don't like?? Holy toejam you just blew my mind! Anybody else notice that so many of this guys posts aren't about the topic but the people posting about the topic. I bet he's posted thousands of posts like this.
You bet I've posted thousands (ok, dozens) of posts where I told someone they were acting stupid .... on topic. :aok
You can like or not like anything you want. It's when you start rationalizing your dislike with things like 'women shouldn't play roles designed for men' when, in fact, the role itself is gender neutral. That comes off 'proud to be stupid in public' - like. She wasn't playing a 'man's role' ... she played a role (and played it well). You not liking her portrayal because 'a woman can't play a man's role' is pure bias. You not liking her portrayal because she was a bad actress is an entirely different thing. I know a guy who won't let black mechanics work on his car because black people are not mechanically skilled. He doesn't like the idea one bit. Believes it with all his heart. He is biased.
And you made this part of the topic. Not me. I'm still praising her role. You're still defending why you didn't like her in it. You don't have to like the actress or her portrayal. I'd advise you leaving the stupid out of it. ;)
Do you understand me now? :D
Having said that, I've also seen you post both interesting and rational posts. Yeah, I could have just ignored your opinion in this thread and I kinda wish I had (that's MY part of the stupid). I'll work on that more. To be honest, I gave you credit that you wouldn't cling to your stance as something worthwhile.
Ok, that's all the cards and chips. If you're offended then I can live with it. If you stay offended then get in line. Here's your beer. :cheers: :D
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that's what the Arlo does. it is what it is...
Yep. It's what I do. :D