Battlestar Galactica - How it should have been...

[Rich46yo]

oh come one Rich, that "science" has yet to explain how advanced people appeared to have gone backwards rather than progressed further at some stage in the supposed "evolution". we must all be mutations generated from inbreeding...

I dont really know what that  means. That a single woman introduced DNA that over time was dispersed into the population, over thousands of years evolving into what is known as modern man, should not be hard to believe. DNA profiling can take any of us and tell us exactly what region we come from and our entire ancestral lineage. Watch the video https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/

Im not talking about a single mitochondrial HillBilly woman spitting out banjo players in between snorts of crank. It was a dynamic process that spanned thousands of years, included many individuals, and spanned great distances as the human animal migrated. But the whole story DID start with a single breeding pair and we all share the same DNA. Hell we share 97% of the DNA of chimpanzees because we both evolved from the same animal, splitting up only 6,000,000 years ago. An evolutionary eye blink.

My guess is they didnt give up any advanced knowledge to the young human race because they didnt want a chance of a repeat of another "this has happened before" and instead wanted to break the chain. Their own self destruction very likely came from the same events when the evolved parent humans gave them advanced knowledge which accelerated their scientific development ending in the creation of a self aware cylon who turned on them.

They didnt want it to happen again. And who knows how Herra got pregnant? Maybe they got over run by the smelly humans and Herra got abducted and got pregnant by smelly man. We'll never know how it happened only that Herra did have off spring whose DNA produced modern man.

[Arlo]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitochondrial_Eve

[Rich46yo]

Oh, and BTW, heres some cool sci fi. http://youtu.be/BfJVgXBfSH8

I hear Spielberg is going to make a TV series of it.

[gyrene81]

Oh, and BTW, heres some cool sci fi. http://youtu.be/BfJVgXBfSH8

I hear Spielberg is going to make a TV series of it.

very cool but...nnnnnnnooooooo!!!! not spielberg!!! hell william shatner would do a better job...

I dont really know what that  means. That a single woman introduced DNA that over time was dispersed into the population, over thousands of years evolving into what is known as modern man, should not be hard to believe. DNA profiling can take any of us and tell us exactly what region we come from and our entire ancestral lineage. Watch the video https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/

Im not talking about a single mitochondrial HillBilly woman spitting out banjo players in between snorts of crank. It was a dynamic process that spanned thousands of years, included many individuals, and spanned great distances as the human animal migrated. But the whole story DID start with a single breeding pair and we all share the same DNA. Hell we share 97% of the DNA of chimpanzees because we both evolved from the same animal, splitting up only 6,000,000 years ago. An evolutionary eye blink.

so you honestly believe that modern humans came from a single pair of primitive humans that not only inbred but cross species bred with apes and inbred some more...    interesting.

[GScholz]

[GScholz]

I wonder if there will ever be a scifi series that can match Babylon 5...

[Beefcake]

I wonder if there will ever be a scifi series that can match Babylon 5...

Looking at today's TV shows and movies I find that outcome....doubtful. Babylon 5 is my all time favorite SciFi show followed closely by Battlestar Galatica minus the ending.

[gyrene81]

I wonder if there will ever be a scifi series that can match Babylon 5...

just another ds9 nothing special...about as entertaining as your evolution chart. 

[BoilerDown]

BSG was completely badass and I really didn't mind the ending.  I think the writers strike made it worse than it would have been, because they had time to over-think things.  I'm reminded of the South Park special where they show how they make each show in just 7 days.  They have pretty solid evidence that not over-thinking their episodes results in a better final product than if they tried to make every SP episode "perfect".

That said, BSG did NOT end with gaping plot holes.  They sewed everything up pretty dang neatly.  The least believable part is that people would leave so much technology behind.  I can understand sending the ships into the sun, but I interpreted it as them going back to nature, and probably starving en masse as a consequence of not keeping high quality metal fabrication, tools, guns, etc around.  Its a minor issue, I mean how are else are they going to explain the fact that we in fact have not found unexpectedly advanced artifacts 150,000 years old?  They were kind of forced to go this route considering they had to explain the importance of Hera, which was to make her Mitochondrial Eve.

Yes, Seasons 1 through the fourth or fifth episode of Season 3 were better than the majority of what came after.  So what?  Even the worst episode of BSG was many times better anything else on TV at the time.  I don't understand the complaining about it.  The writer's strike screwed them, nothing they could do, it was still the best damn space show period.

[Muzzy]

BSG was completely badass and I really didn't mind the ending.  I think the writers strike made it worse than it would have been, because they had time to over-think things.  I'm reminded of the South Park special where they show how they make each show in just 7 days.  They have pretty solid evidence that not over-thinking their episodes results in a better final product than if they tried to make every SP episode "perfect".

That said, BSG did NOT end with gaping plot holes.  They sewed everything up pretty dang neatly.  The least believable part is that people would leave so much technology behind.  I can understand sending the ships into the sun, but I interpreted it as them going back to nature, and probably starving en masse as a consequence of not keeping high quality metal fabrication, tools, guns, etc around.  Its a minor issue, I mean how are else are they going to explain the fact that we in fact have not found unexpectedly advanced artifacts 150,000 years old?  They were kind of forced to go this route considering they had to explain the importance of Hera, which was to make her Mitochondrial Eve.

Yes, Seasons 1 through the fourth or fifth episode of Season 3 were better than the majority of what came after.  So what?  Even the worst episode of BSG was many times better anything else on TV at the time.  I don't understand the complaining about it.  The writer's strike screwed them, nothing they could do, it was still the best damn space show period.

Plot hole 1: The Final Five's ship took 2000 years to reach Cylon Space traveling at near-light speed. (They didn't have jump engines). Ergo, "Original Earth" and Cylon Space are only 2000 light-years apart (at best), but the Colonial Fleet takes years to cover the same distance. Based on what they said, their trip was effectively traveling from New York to Los Angeles by way of Rio. They went way, way out of their way, and the Colonies are at best only a few jumps from our Earth.

[GScholz]

just another ds9 nothing special...about as entertaining as your evolution chart. 

Ha ha, very funny motherdiddlya...

[Rich46yo]

so you honestly believe that modern humans came from a single pair of primitive humans that not only inbred but cross species bred with apes and inbred some more...  headscratch  interesting.

I already answered that. No we did not come from a single female. But our DNA did. Thats why its mitochondrial Eve and not just "Eve".

Somewhere, somehow, a female critter gave birth to a daughter, who then passed her genes on, and on, and on, eventually breeding with a mitochondrial male, the genetic crossing of which produced the modern human animal. There were many hominid species thru millenia but only one that survived and thrived. It was a process that took thousands of years and many individuals. You seem to think it was like Billy Bob hanging out at the drive in with his sister.

Its funny but I run across people at work, educated people, who have no idea about the science of evolution or about genetics. They seem to think we came from a box of cracker jacks. Or maybe that Adam and Eve thing.

Humans are no more inbred then any other species. Well, in most places at least.

Plot hole 1: The Final Five's ship took 2000 years to reach Cylon Space traveling at near-light speed. (They didn't have jump engines). Ergo, "Original Earth" and Cylon Space are only 2000 light-years apart (at best), but the Colonial Fleet takes years to cover the same distance. Based on what they said, their trip was effectively traveling from New York to Los Angeles by way of Rio. They went way, way out of their way, and the Colonies are at best only a few jumps from our Earth.

Naw, they never answered how fast they go in a "jump". Or how many jumps it would take to get to Cylon Earth. Nor did they even really know exactly where they were going. The one mistake they made is at the end, as they were seeing for the first time their new smelly human neighbors, Baltar made reference to the odds of finding humans a million light years from the Colonies. Obviously the colonies werent a million light years away from smelly earth cause thats to far to travel. But thats the only real plot mistake I can think of.

And what I'd give to have my own #6.

[MrRiplEy[H]]

Evolution is slowing down or going backwards due to advances in medicine and the nanny culture we live in.

[whels]

here is BGS FTL info
http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/FTL#Faster-Than-Light_travel

FTL jump ranges

The range that Galactica can jump at has never been specified on-screen. However, in a deleted line from the mini-series the jump from Ragnar to the Prolmar Sector is said to be "30 light-years"[4], which is way beyond the red line (maximum safely calculable jump range). This is consistent with Colonel Tigh saying that Galactica could search every planet within 12 light-years for water before having to jump to another sector altogether (Water). On this Wiki, producer Bradley Thompson suggested that internally, the writers had been working on the idea the Fleet had been jumping about 5 light-years at a time, although that does not have to have been its maximum range. Finally, on composer Bear McCreary's blog[5], science advisor Kevin Grazier and producer Bradley Thompson suggested that the final six digits for the jump coordinates Kara interprets from the Music represent distance in SUs. 999,999 SUs - the maximum possible distance that can be inputted - would relate to 15.812 Colonial light-years. The distance inputted during the Battle of the Colony is 365,321 SU or 5.77 Colonial light-years, which is presumably the distance from the Colony to Earth (Daybreak, Part II). There may also be a factoring scale at work, and at close ranges Galactica appears to be able to jump much more accurately, as demonstrated by its jump from several million kilometers directly into New Caprica's atmosphere 100,000 feet above the surface (Exodus, Part II), or a jump of unknown range to within one kilometre of the Colony's surface (Daybreak, Part II).

Cylon FTL ranges are considerably larger. At the end of the series, the Fleet's larger ships have their jump ranges tripled by the installation of Cylon technology (A Disquiet Follows My Soul). However, during the rescue of Colonial resistance forces from Caprica three years earlier, a Raptor squadron outfitted with a Cylon FTL navigation computer traversed in 10 jumps (Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I) a distance that Galactica would have required a minimum of 230 jumps (conservatively) to cross (Pegasus), an improvement by a factor of 23. However, this rescue team was just using the navigation computer to improve their jump calculations. Another example is how many jumps it ended up taking to reach The Colony. When Boomer stole a for some reason un-upgraded Raptor, it took her over a dozen jumps to reach The Colony. But the recon Raptor that was dispatched and even Galactica herself were able to make that distance in one jump with their upgraded FTL drives. Lee Adama even specificly said that The Colony was in Galactica's FTL range which it wouldn't have been before with the un-upgraded drive given Boomer's journey there. With the upgraded drives, Tyrol said that the efficency of the Fleet's jump drive would be trippled and give them a much longer jump range which they believed was key to finding a new world for humanity to settle on. Cylon FTL's were so complicated that even Tyrol didn't understand them fully and said they were going to need rebel Cylons just to do the upgrades.

[Muzzy]

Gaeta and Adama discussed it was supposed to be 13,000 ly between the Temple of Hopes and the Ionian Nebula, and there were other distances mentioned in the series. Either way, the Colonials must have been going in circles.