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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: maddog on September 26, 2013, 11:18:55 AM
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Anyone running one of the new 27inch monitors at 2560x1400? If so how's it look?
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Anyone running one of the new 27inch monitors at 2560x1400? If so how's it look?
You have to see with your own eyes. It's just a 27" monitor with a big resolution. Been running one for around 2 years now on my work desktop.
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It is 2560x1440. Most of the decent IPS monitors have been using that resolution for a long time.
My home monitor is an NEC IPS panel. I think I have had it nearly a year. It is like looking through a window.
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I run an HP ZR30w (30 inch IPS) at 2560x1600. My tweaked 6970 runs AH with all eye candy turned up at 60FPS, and it's pretty sweet. This is a nice system, but it was by no means top-end even in 2010, when I got it. No reason not to get something similar nowadays.
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I was just searching this very thing this morning. I'm running Asus 144hz 24" monitors, and they are one of the best 1080p >120hz monitors for all types of games, especially FPS type games. I've been thinking about moving to a single 27" IPS panel, and wonder what everyone thinks of them so far as performance in Aces High. Does AH support 1440p resolutions? Does anyone using them mess with the RTC control/overdrive for pixel response etc? What is the response like with the higher response times compared to a 1080p monitor like the ones I'm using now? And lastly, how do other games perform and look with it?
I'm probably going to order one today just to try it out, I'm just unsure of which one to go with. I'm thinking about one from Monoprice in the USA, http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=114&cp_id=11401&cs_id=1130704&p_id=10509&seq=1&format=2 . Asus also makes a 27" 1440 IPS panel, but it's 2x as much at 850$. I'm not too worried about the price, I just want one that works well for gaming. I'm happy to accept recommendations regarding other ones if anyone has used or seen something similar.
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Do modern IPS panels still have a problem with ghosting in games?
I have a non IPS display and I really hate the inaccurate colors (for example, it is completely incapable of making a true red), but back when I bought this one the general idea was that IPS would cause ghosting in rapid games. (Imagine my disappointment when I noticed definite ghosting in the non-IPS panel I did get.)
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yea but how do they work in AH vis-à-vis resolution...... everything smaller etc etc
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I bought a Viewsonic 27" IPS recently and I am pleased. The difference between it and the 24" ASUS I was using is night and day. AH in this resolution is amazing.
Ammo
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My ZR30w has zero ghosting, not even the faintest trace. The picture is so sharp I have to keep it extra clean or else I'll mistake dust specks on the screen for distant planes.
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Viewsonic is the one I'm leaning towards. Ammo, what resolution can you play AH at, can you push it right to 1440p? If so, I'm ordering it today. If anyone here knows players of AH that need a cheap upgrade monitor, I'll have 3 Asus 24" 144hz monitors for sale shortly, http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX44025 is the exact model, I paid around 900$ for all three, and will be willing to sell them each for 130$ including shipping should any AH players want one.
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Viewsonic is the one I'm leaning towards. Ammo, what resolution can you play AH at, can you push it right to 1440p? If so, I'm ordering it today. If anyone here knows players of AH that need a cheap upgrade monitor, I'll have 3 Asus 24" 144hz monitors for sale shortly, http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX44025 is the exact model, I paid around 900$ for all three, and will be willing to sell them each for 130$ including shipping should any AH players want one.
Hey thats a sweet deal. Send them all to here, Finland :D
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Viewsonic is the one I'm leaning towards. Ammo, what resolution can you play AH at, can you push it right to 1440p? If so, I'm ordering it today. If anyone here knows players of AH that need a cheap upgrade monitor, I'll have 3 Asus 24" 144hz monitors for sale shortly, http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX44025 is the exact model, I paid around 900$ for all three, and will be willing to sell them each for 130$ including shipping should any AH players want one.
Gman, yes sir; 1440.
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One other thing. To run 1440 in AH you have to connect through the DVI port. For whatever reason, it won't run 1440 through HDMI.
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Thanks Ammo, and yes, I've read that about the HDMI connections, but I'm using other methods already, and in fact, most of the Korean IPS panels only come with the DVI port, just one, and that's it.
I found a highly rated Korean panel from Ebay that I saw in person yesterday, I can get it for 285$ delivered after tax duty and shipping. It looks almost identical next to an Asus unit the shop had, this way I can get 3 of them and keep my 3 screen set up for the same $ as one single Viewsonic, it's just going to be a lot bigger and heavier now. I've got the fastest video cards you can get right now, so I hope they'll be enough to drive 3 IPS screens that are so big.
I'll see how I like just the single Korean import before I get rid of my other 24" screens first though.
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I just ordered one, an Asus. http://www.provantage.com/scripts/search.dll?QUERY=27%22+PB278Q&Submit.x=0&Submit.y=0
My eyes arent getting any better and its time for a new monitor anyways.
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As a general answer. Aces High supports any video resolution your video card will support. That is our dependency, the video card.
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Thanks Ammo, and yes, I've read that about the HDMI connections, but I'm using other methods already, and in fact, most of the Korean IPS panels only come with the DVI port, just one, and that's it.
I found a highly rated Korean panel from Ebay that I saw in person yesterday, I can get it for 285$ delivered after tax duty and shipping. It looks almost identical next to an Asus unit the shop had, this way I can get 3 of them and keep my 3 screen set up for the same $ as one single Viewsonic, it's just going to be a lot bigger and heavier now. I've got the fastest video cards you can get right now, so I hope they'll be enough to drive 3 IPS screens that are so big.
I'll see how I like just the single Korean import before I get rid of my other 24" screens first though.
That is going to be a sweet setup Gman. I have a buddy that bought a Korean IPS (forget the brand) an he is happy. His did come with one dead pixel but it is in the top left corner and therefore not a limiting factor for him. He paid similar to the price you mentioned.
For the record, my video card is an issue for me now. With the 24" 1080 monitor I got good FRs (60-75), but with this IPS running 1440, I can dip pretty low near the deck or in a busy furball. I need to upgrade :rock
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What card do you run now Ammo? It's a shame you didn't mention this before, I just sold 2 of my 1 year old eVGA 680gtx 4gb's for really cheap, both for 400$ to a friend, which is less than 1/2 what I paid, and still 1/2 of what they now cost, and I could have let you have one of them for 175$. The performance difference between them and my new 780GTX is negligible in AH, and not a whole lot better in most other games to boot.
I'm still a little concerned about driving 3 screens even with monster vid cards, as IPS 1440 is going to take a LOT more horsepower than 1080p my current ones are running. Even now with a lot of action in game I can see drops with everything maxed and reflections on about 60 percent or so, but most of the time I'm at 144 fps. So long as I can stay close to 60 which will be my new max with the refresh rate locked on the IPS panel, I'll be happy enough.
Thanks for that tidbit Skuzzy, that answers a few of my questions I've had about this over the life of the game. I wonder what the future will bring with the newer cards at the crazy resolutions coming to TV and LC monitors.
Rich, that's a really good deal, about 100$ or more off what I've seen for that panel, as it was on my short list.
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I'm running an AMD 6950 2 GB card. It definitely isn't enough.
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I also have a 6950, and it does just fine. The trick is to flash it to be a 6970. It's identical hardware, just the 6950 has some shaders disabled for marketing purposes.
http://www.techpowerup.com/articles/overclocking/vidcard/159
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I also have a 6950, and it does just fine. The trick is to flash it to be a 6970. It's identical hardware, just the 6950 has some shaders disabled for marketing purposes.
http://www.techpowerup.com/articles/overclocking/vidcard/159
Doing fine using triple 1080p?
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Ya, I don't think he's using 57xx by 1080p, but I know Semp is using a similar card on 3 screens if I'm not mistaken. You can just get away with a 6970 with 3 screen, but not by much IMO. Even SLI'd 680's and 780's will see drops in busy times in some of the newer games, and some, like lame TCA's lie, and don't even use SLI at all, which they got busted for recently, claiming SLI in all their early media for Rome 2, but when people checked, one card is pretty much idle all the time.
I know Skuzzy's made comments about the SLI profile for AH2, and I agree with them from my own observations - I would recommend anyone to buy ONE really fast card over 2 slower ones in SLI for Aces High, the Titan, a 780GTX overclocked to near Titan performance, or 7990. I've tried all the above in my 3930k system, as well as 680GTX 4gb sli'd, and that's just my observations and opinion based on what I've seen FPS wise. I think a single 780GTX is the best bang for the buck to come around for a while, since it's so easy to push it up to Titan levels for about 3 or 400$ less in cost. I'm happy with mine, that's for sure.
I found the same Asus screen locally that Rich mentioned, and for around the same price, 560$, and I'm now torn between that or the Korean one for 320$ delivered. I'm just worried about dead pixel and blackout issues and have no return possible, since they rarely if ever issue RMA's to send it back overseas apparently....I think the extra 230$ is probably worth it, plus I"ve had really good luck with all Asus products, especially LCD's recently, my last 4 have been Asus, and not a single dead pixel or any problems at all.
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Cheapest I can find the 780GTX is $649. Is that about as low as it is right now?
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Doing fine at 2560x1600 with all eyecandy turned on. When I turn off the framerate limiter I get FRS up in the hundreds. I'll very rarely get an ingame stutter when I get low in a dogfight, FPS drops to <20 for a second, but this seems unrelated to the card, I think it has more to do with system load. My system definitely needs a reinstall.
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tried higher resolution, then I decided for a Benq 27" VA screen.
The new generation of VA screens are good for gaming, can be looked at from different angles without TN type distorsion, and good colors and very good luminance, and with good price-tag.
Con's : is limited to 1920*1080 and maxed to 60frames with vsync on. I can live with both these, I did notice some difference with 2560, but again then I need a rocket-graphics card at a high price.
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Ya, I don't think he's using 57xx by 1080p, but I know Semp is using a similar card on 3 screens if I'm not mistaken. You can just get away with a 6970 with 3 screen, but not by much IMO. Even SLI'd 680's and 780's will see drops in busy times in some of the newer games, and some, like lame TCA's lie, and don't even use SLI at all, which they got busted for recently, claiming SLI in all their early media for Rome 2, but when people checked, one card is pretty much idle all the time.
I know Skuzzy's made comments about the SLI profile for AH2, and I agree with them from my own observations - I would recommend anyone to buy ONE really fast card over 2 slower ones in SLI for Aces High, the Titan, a 780GTX overclocked to near Titan performance, or 7990. I've tried all the above in my 3930k system, as well as 680GTX 4gb sli'd, and that's just my observations and opinion based on what I've seen FPS wise. I think a single 780GTX is the best bang for the buck to come around for a while, since it's so easy to push it up to Titan levels for about 3 or 400$ less in cost. I'm happy with mine, that's for sure.
I found the same Asus screen locally that Rich mentioned, and for around the same price, 560$, and I'm now torn between that or the Korean one for 320$ delivered. I'm just worried about dead pixel and blackout issues and have no return possible, since they rarely if ever issue RMA's to send it back overseas apparently....I think the extra 230$ is probably worth it, plus I"ve had really good luck with all Asus products, especially LCD's recently, my last 4 have been Asus, and not a single dead pixel or any problems at all.
I have 2 evga 465 cards using 3 screens. I play with all sliders on and shadows at 4096 and get full frames. they only thing is that i got into tt last night and with the new clouds my fps went into the 20's. everywhere else it was full frames, I never had that happen before. I think most likely that it's time to clean my puter again.
semp
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As a general answer. Aces High supports any video resolution your video card will support. That is our dependency, the video card.
proof is that you can run any bezel compensation with AH, I personalty run 5904*1200...I bet AH looks very large and immersive on those 21/9 screen, without the problems of having 3 screens on the desk
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What level is your reflections/environment bump mapping thing set at Semp?
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What level is your reflections/environment bump mapping thing set at Semp?
the only thing I dont have is environmental map, still dont know what it does but it really sucks a lot of fps out of my computer. I get about 30+ with full updates.
semp
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I just hooked up my new monitor. Its pretty impressive already.
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I just hooked up my new monitor. Its pretty impressive already.
Rich - congrats! How do you like it with AH? I know you like many aspects of going 1440 - and that ultra-wide view.
I am running a Viewsonic VP2770. I love it. As long as I can keep the food particles off this beast, I can see enemy dots before they see me. The graphics - well, that is just amazing.
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Rich - congrats! How do you like it with AH? I know you like many aspects of going 1440 - and that ultra-wide view.
I am running a Viewsonic VP2770. I love it. As long as I can keep the food particles off this beast, I can see enemy dots before they see me. The graphics - well, that is just amazing.
Yeah I like it very much. Now I have my other 27" as a 2nd monitor but this Asus is definitely the bomb. I havnt played much AH in it yet but have played some BF4 beta. Definitely a nice gaming monitor. My eyes are going to hell and I love the increase in resolution. :salute
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anybody have any thoughts on any of these monitors? I need to buy two but I am not willing to spend 500 bucks per monitor.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007617%200%20600012694%20&IsNodeId=1&bop=And&ShowDeactivatedMark=False
semp
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http://www.provantage.com/asus-pb278q~7ASUM011.htm I can speak for both this monitor and this company "NewEgg blows". And yes the game does look lovely on the Hi Res monitors.
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How does Newegg "blow"?
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the only thing I dont have is environmental map, still dont know what it does but it really sucks a lot of fps out of my computer. I get about 30+ with full updates.
semp
Environment mapping (http://downloads.hitechcreations.com/films/env_mapping.mp4) revealed.
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proof is that you can run any bezel compensation with AH, I personalty run 5904*1200...I bet AH looks very large and immersive on those 21/9 screen, without the problems of having 3 screens on the desk
I use bezel compensation as well. The game runs at 5990x1080 without problems.
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Environment mapping (http://downloads.hitechcreations.com/films/env_mapping.mp4) revealed.
just seen the video a couple of minutes ago. thanks skuzzy.
semp
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Environment mapping (http://downloads.hitechcreations.com/films/env_mapping.mp4) revealed.
Skuzzy - Very nice! Thanks for sharing, and I am going video card shopping! Gotta keep Mrs. Ammo in the dark though - she would not approve :D
Ammo
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Just got my Viewsonic VP2770-LED.
Going from a 1440x900 19" screen to this is quite a change. My system is handling the 2560x1440 resolution better than I expected. Offline in AH I was getting 25-55fps, which given my system's makeup is much higher than expected. Not sure if it will be playable online though.
The screen is large enough that it cannot be seen entirely at once and you find you need to look around on the screen to see everything. I wouldn't want to go any larger than 27" while still having it on my desk. I am quite glad I didn't go for a 30" screen.
I don't see any ghosting on it, no dead pixels and the colors are very vibrant.
Thus far I am very happy with it.
I also don't have to turn it on and off about twenty times before it will actually display what the computer is sending it like my 19" was requiring at the end. :p
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Congrats Karnak! :aok