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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: Mano on September 28, 2013, 01:13:31 AM
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Select the best maps that are suited for GV's like CraterMa, Smpizza, and a couple others.
The WWI terrain could be put into the rotation as well.There are over 20 vehicles now to do battle.
When there is a good GV battle going the players involved are oblivious to the winning the map.
An arena without Bomb t's would be sweet ! Time for a GV only arena.
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In view of the ever decreasing attendance and the resulting gameplay issues, any idea to further split up the numbers is a bad one in my opinion.
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In view of the ever decreasing attendance and the resulting gameplay issues, any idea to further split up the numbers is a bad one in my opinion.
I find myself playing a lot less than I use to. Boredom mainly, same hordes, same furballs, same maps( I know make a new one..sorry not my job). What would it hurt to try, just try it for a month or so to see what would happen, might even get some new players in. I also know some of you will and already have said "This is ACES HIGH" it's all about fighter combat, in that case do away with the cv's, gv's and see how many people you have left in the game then! :salute
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An arena without Bomb t's would be sweet !
what about all the bomb t's that like dropping bombs on people. what are they supposed to do?
go shoot down the bomb t's. :aok
circle of life.
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I find myself playing a lot less than I use to. Boredom mainly, same hordes, same furballs, same maps( I know make a new one..sorry not my job). What would it hurt to try, just try it for a month or so to see what would happen, might even get some new players in. I also know some of you will and already have said "This is ACES HIGH" it's all about fighter combat, in that case do away with the cv's, gv's and see how many people you have left in the game then! :salute
If you're bored then try something new and come join one of our Storch raids! They're a blast! :D
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what about all the bomb t's that like dropping bombs on people. what are they supposed to do?
go shoot down the bomb t's. :aok
circle of life.
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Actually we had this over at Warbirds as far back as 2001. It was called Armored Assault and many players fought in both this, the main arena as well as Dawn of Aces so the splitting up would not be as severe as one would think. I, myself, would bounce back and forth between these arenas in a single night for a little fun everywhere.
Here is their current offering: http://www.m4tankbrigade.com/ (http://www.m4tankbrigade.com/)
But I would advise HTC to greatly enhance the realism of the ground effects to be more inline with a game like WWII Battle Tanks: T-34 vs Tiger as seen on its facebook page here:https://www.facebook.com/pages/WWII-Battle-Tanks-T-34-vs-Tiger/258954727514161 (https://www.facebook.com/pages/WWII-Battle-Tanks-T-34-vs-Tiger/258954727514161)
Once you've played T-34 vs. Tiger ...its hard to get into GVs that bounce off trees.
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Once you've played T-34 vs. Tiger ...its hard to get into GVs that get violated by trees.
fixed :)
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what about all the bomb t's that like dropping bombs on people. what are they supposed to do?
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Obviously, they could play in the regular arenas.
Although I would support the OP, I would prefer adjustments to the regular arenas to guarantee a place in each of them where GVs could engage each other relatively unmolested. This could be accomplished either through map modifications, or on the existing maps via various rule tweaks to accomplish the same thing. Some maps would require almost no mods at all (i.e. OzKansas, which only requires most of the bases on the center island to be made uncapturable, and CraterMA which is adequate just the way it is (although the mesas in TT should ideally be replaced with rolling hills).
MH
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The DA has what you are asking for in one of the corners of the map. Wish granted.
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it's all about fighter combat, in that case do away with the cv's, gv's and see how many people you have left in the game then! :salute
sounds good to me! i'd probably re-subscribe :aok
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Umm, can't you just do this yourself by opening a custom arena and inviting GV'rs to come and play? Doesn't put any new work on the office and your wish is granted immediately. Yes, no, maybe?
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Umm, can't you just do this yourself by opening a custom arena and inviting GV'rs to come and play? Doesn't put any new work on the office and your wish is granted immediately. Yes, no, maybe?
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The problem is that the "invite" part doesn't work very well in AH. A good example is Trinity Tank Town. Maybe nobody reads the text buffer any more?
MH
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In view of the ever decreasing attendance and the resulting gameplay issues, any idea to further split up the numbers is a bad one in my opinion.
been hearing this since i joined about 7 years ago. you would think by now I would be the only one left.
semp
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Actually we had this over at Warbirds as far back as 2001. It was called Armored Assault and many players fought in both this, the main arena as well as Dawn of Aces so the splitting up would not be as severe as one would think. I, myself, would bounce back and forth between these arenas in a single night for a little fun everywhere.
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Great example, from a game that is slowly dying. Yeah lets use some of those ideas. Their GV arena is empty 99% of the time.
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Select the best maps that are suited for GV's like CraterMa, Smpizza, and a couple others.
The WWI terrain could be put into the rotation as well.There are over 20 vehicles now to do battle.
When there is a good GV battle going the players involved are oblivious to the winning the map.
An arena without Bomb t's would be sweet ! Time for a GV only arena.
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Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.. ............here, have a tissue, wipe the snot off your nose, grab a plane and go shoot them down. Harsh I know, but real.
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Besides, I gotta funny feeling it would get old hearing, "Hey guys come to the GV arena", "Hey guys there are 2 of us in the GV arena now come on its fun", "hey guys the main arena sucks come to the GV arena with me and my 2 friends there", about 30 times an hour on 200 from 2 or 3 guys continuously who got tired of being alone.
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Besides, I gotta funny feeling it would get old hearing, "Hey guys come to the GV arena", "Hey guys there are 2 of us in the GV arena now come on its fun", "hey guys the main arena sucks come to the GV arena with me and my 2 friends there", about 30 times an hour on 200 from 2 or 3 guys continuously who got tired of being alone.
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Actually we had this over at Warbirds as far back as 2001. It was called Armored Assault and many players fought in both this, the main arena as well as Dawn of Aces so the splitting up would not be as severe as one would think. I, myself, would bounce back and forth between these arenas in a single night for a little fun everywhere.
Great example, from a game that is slowly dying. Yeah lets use some of those ideas. Their GV arena is empty 99% of the time.
It's been slowly dying for over a decade now. How much slower can it go? And if they only charged 14.95 instead of 24.95 a month I'd bet their numbers would swell too. Its not the platform Zoney ...it's the culture, the cost and the customer service that drives people away from IEN.
Sodo and I used to have some classic battles against each other in Armoured Assault. Why have a closed mind about something you probably never tried?
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I have only ever found one or two people ever, if I'm lucky in Armored Assault and the slow death is very noticeable when you only check in at WB every now and then.
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Besides, I gotta funny feeling it would get old hearing, "Hey guys come to the GV arena", "Hey guys there are 2 of us in the GV arena now come on its fun", "hey guys the main arena sucks come to the GV arena with me and my 2 friends there", about 30 times an hour on 200 from 2 or 3 guys continuously who got tired of being alone.
So now all you hear on country channel is "there has to be 30 guys in gv's at 85, no wonder we can't take any bases". What is the big freking deal about trying it for a month or so, if you don't want to go in there then don't. And I would bet that there would be more players in there than you would think.
Also -1 to the DA and -1 to custom arena
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Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.. ............here, have a tissue, wipe the snot off your nose, grab a plane and go shoot them down. Harsh I know, but real.
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Not the solution, as you would realize if you ever tried it. (Kind of like getting advice on sex from a virgin). In the first place, the very fact that you have to ditch your GV, go to a base 1-2 sectors away, up a fighter, and fly back to the scene of the crime obviously ruins your GV fight. In the second place, when one does this, most of the time the offender isn't there any more by the time you get back. And of course, all the time you have to waste doing this means you aren't GVing. Upping a Wirble (though less effective) produces the same effect. Yes you can often drive the attacking AC out of range or even kill them, but then you are stuck in a Wirble watching grass grow. If you ditch the Wirble and start developing your position in a GV (which often takes time), they come back. Rinse and repeat, ad nauseum ...
BTW, note that the essential problem described above is not that one needs to respond to events in the game (which is integral to most game play), but instead the problem is the differing time frames required to develop a fight in GVs versus in AC. The former is 10 times the latter, roughly proportional to the speed difference of the respective platforms, with the additional need to take terrain into account in developing the GV fight.
MH
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been hearing this since i joined about 7 years ago. you would think by now I would be the only one left.
semp
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As to the OP, this would work just like the EW, MW, and AvA works. Even tho nobody worries about score :rolleyes: Most players who do will stay in LW, that will show the larger numbers and so will draw those other who DON'T worry about score :rolleyes: to LW for the battles and so the GV arena would be a ghost town.
I understand the frustration of those GV campers..... err battles. It is much the same as the frustration of the milk runner buffs who get caught by people like Lusche who enjoy looking for them. The same as those guys who just work to capture base after base and keep running into defenders. The same as the fighter jocks who are having a nice furball only to have it stopped by some guy dropping the FHs at one base or the other. I think it might have been Hitech who said "the game is all about pissing the other guy off".
So in that vien, I guess the game is working as designed :P
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As to the OP, this would work just like the EW, MW, and AvA works. Even tho nobody worries about score :rolleyes: Most players who do will stay in LW, that will show the larger numbers and so will draw those other who DON'T worry about score :rolleyes: to LW for the battles and so the GV arena would be a ghost town.
You may be right, but perhaps we should try something like the OP anyway. If you are right, your suggestion is why I would prefer adjustments to the existing combined arenas to provide more consistently available GV-centric areas without significant AC. This is of course an *addition* the current game-play options, and shouldn't reduce your playing enjoyment, should you have different preferences ...
I understand the frustration of those GV campers..... err battles. It is much the same as the frustration of the milk runner buffs who get caught by people like Lusche who enjoy looking for them. The same as those guys who just work to capture base after base and keep running into defenders. The same as the fighter jocks who are having a nice furball only to have it stopped by some guy dropping the FHs at one base or the other. I think it might have been Hitech who said "the game is all about pissing the other guy off".
So in that vien, I guess the game is working as designed :P
Not a good analogy. With the OP, or with my alternative, there would still be opposition from equivalent platforms (i.e. other GVs). A better analogy to the current GV-AC relationship is that of a 10-year-old fighting an 18-year-old (grossly imbalanced). Although this style of play should still be supported in the game (because some people like it, and why not let them?), there needs to be in addition the opportunity for the 10-year-olds to have their own areas to play in as well. As I have mentioned before, I think that such a change would increase the total subscribers, overall.
MH
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The GV only,,,,, subscribers,, have not got a place to play guaranteed, on every map in the game,, and those that can't or don't fly have no way to respond to being bombed or shot up by planes,,, I don't know how many of those there are, but they should be represented somehow! The DA GV town could work, but last I remember, I was hard to find an instant fight like you can in the main arena TT areas,, a revamp of that might well be an idea,,,,,,
Or,,, Drain crator lake and let GV's fight it out on the dry lake bed under the furball
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You may be right, but perhaps we should try something like the OP anyway. If you are right, your suggestion is why I would prefer adjustments to the existing combined arenas to provide more consistently available GV-centric areas without significant AC. This is of course an *addition* the current game-play options, and shouldn't reduce your playing enjoyment, should you have different preferences ...
Not a good analogy. With the OP, or with my alternative, there would still be opposition from equivalent platforms (i.e. other GVs). A better analogy to the current GV-AC relationship is that of a 10-year-old fighting an 18-year-old (grossly imbalanced). Although this style of play should still be supported in the game (because some people like it, and why not let them?), there needs to be in addition the opportunity for the 10-year-olds to have their own areas to play in as well. As I have mentioned before, I think that such a change would increase the total subscribers, overall.
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Twist the analogy any way you want, it is true and very easy to prove.
Tuesday brings the start of a new campaign. Open a custom room with GV friendly setup, use Greebos map. Advertise to all your GV buddies that your going to try and keep the arena full 24/7 for the month to prove that a GV arena is a good idea. I'll bet you dont make a week.
People flock to the numbers even at the expense of having their fun ruined by the next guy. A GV only arena wouldn't work.
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Tuesday brings the start of a new campaign. Open a custom room with GV friendly setup, use Greebos map. Advertise to all your GV buddies that your going to try and keep the arena full 24/7 for the month to prove that a GV arena is a good idea. I'll bet you dont make a week.
People flock to the numbers even at the expense of having their fun ruined by the next guy. A GV only arena wouldn't work.
I fly/GV alone, and always have, so have no on-line "buddies". Also, if you read my previous post (earlier in the page) real-time advertising in AH doesn't work, as in the example I gave for Trinity Tank Town, back when it was still in the rotation. People don't read the text buffers (and given the crap in 200 these days, I don't blame them). Yet, the CraterMA TT population shows what sort of response dedicated GV areas can bring.
So my previous recommendation still stands...
MH
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The problem is that the "invite" part doesn't work very well in AH. A good example is Trinity Tank Town. Maybe nobody reads the text buffer any more?
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Sorry, so if I understand you correctly the difference then would be that your argument would be miraculously overcome by it being a "posted" arena choice is going to change peoples minds in this regard? I don't get how that changes the numbers in the WW1, EW, MW, or AvA and SEA arenas (minus FSO and scenarios for the most part) today? Look how successful these others have been. There are thread after thread of advertising, "come to the AvA, this day in such and such," etc... Because they are "sanctioned" HTC arenas means they are just as populated as a potential "custom" GV only arena might be well populated, because as I see things, no matter how many people on here who have suggested in any given number of posts trying to coerce, shame, motivate, or legislate/dictate people to use those arenas has truly been effective. My opinion on the matter is that the majority of people prefer to use the arena which allows them the highest chance of using their vehicle of choice in an environment where there are the most people because of the potential for more opportunities to find a fight and be among friends and near other potential support whether it is to play the furball game or win the war style of play or what have you. Now, those who do not like to be molested while they do those things in game likely tend to use the less populated arenas as their chances of being unmolested or vigorously opposed is part of the allure, so a custom GV arena would allow for that just as easily as a dedicated one would. Now, as an example, my plane of choice currently is a early MW plane, though when I fly in the MW now and then it has tended to be people avoiding having to fight me. It is bad enough in LW that porkers avoid fighting and simply pork until they are shot down by ack or some fighter is disheartening enough. But LW offers the best chance I get to find a fight now more often than then. Getting to fight against more potentially superior ac than mine is also much more fun to me on those few times I am successful in the fight. I like the challenge, myself, of trying to survive in that environment. So, I do not see how your dismissal out of hand of using a custom arena being less likely to encourage using a GV only arena as being any different than the current situation regarding the less populated "official" arenas, that's all I getting at.
Sorry, it's early for me and the game has started so I am a bit too tired to proof read, so the gist might be not be expressed very well.
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It's been slowly dying for over a decade now. How much slower can it go? And if they only charged 14.95 instead of 24.95 a month I'd bet their numbers would swell too. Its not the platform Zoney ...it's the culture, the cost and the customer service that drives people away from IEN.
Sodo and I used to have some classic battles against each other in Armoured Assault. Why have a closed mind about something you probably never tried?
eh, yeah...Zoney played warturds until our squad moved to here in 2009. and yes, it is the platform. warturds is so far behind ah it's pathetic and even a price drop won't bring in new players. the maps suck, the fm's stink and the damage models are horrendous. anyone who took notice at wildbill's marketing strategy should have noted that nothing he tried did anything of note to bring players in.
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Sorry, so if I understand you correctly the difference then would be that your argument would be miraculously overcome by it being a "posted" arena choice is going to change peoples minds in this regard? I don't get how that changes the numbers in the WW1, EW, MW, or AvA and SEA arenas (minus FSO and scenarios for the most part) today? Look how successful these others have been. There are thread after thread of advertising, "come to the AvA, this day in such and such," etc... Because they are "sanctioned" HTC arenas means they are just as populated as a potential "custom" GV only arena might be well populated, because as I see things, no matter how many people on here who have suggested in any given number of posts trying to coerce, shame, motivate, or legislate/dictate people to use those arenas has truly been effective. My opinion on the matter is that the majority of people prefer to use the arena which allows them the highest chance of using their vehicle of choice in an environment where there are the most people because of the potential for more opportunities to find a fight and be among friends and near other potential support whether it is to play the furball game or win the war style of play or what have you. Now, those who do not like to be molested while they do those things in game likely tend to use the less populated arenas as their chances of being unmolested or vigorously opposed is part of the allure, so a custom GV arena would allow for that just as easily as a dedicated one would. Now, as an example, my plane of choice currently is a early MW plane, though when I fly in the MW now and then it has tended to be people avoiding having to fight me. It is bad enough in LW that porkers avoid fighting and simply pork until they are shot down by ack or some fighter is disheartening enough. But LW offers the best chance I get to find a fight now more often than then. Getting to fight against more potentially superior ac than mine is also much more fun to me on those few times I am successful in the fight. I like the challenge, myself, of trying to survive in that environment. So, I do not see how your dismissal out of hand of using a custom arena being less likely to encourage using a GV only arena as being any different than the current situation regarding the less populated "official" arenas, that's all I getting at.
Sorry, it's early for me and the game has started so I am a bit too tired to proof read, so the gist might be not be expressed very well.
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Geez, you have a lot in there. On the main point:
1) Fighting GVs against AC is not a challenge, but is instead an exercise in frustration, and if you try it for awhile you will see why. The disparity in capability is just too great. It is not at all similar to fighting a P40 versus a La7.
2) I think that GV-safe playing areas (either a separate arena, or mods to existing game play in existing arenas, all in the interest of minimal AC interference) would be popular, as evidenced by the new Crater MA TT usage. Such areas are frequently absent in the current setup, for various reasons.
3) I think that custom arenas would be much less effective in attracting the maximum number of GVers, because arena visibility would be inadequate and there is no effective way to advertise them. In contrast, if when you log in you see “LW, MW, EW, GV Arena”, those problems are eliminated. (Actually, GV Arena should be at the top of the list ...).
4) However, instead of a separate GV arena, I would still prefer to use the normal maps, but with game-play modifications to make portions of the map GV-safe (per above), at all times and under all map conditions.
MH
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eh, yeah...Zoney played warturds until our squad moved to here in 2009. and yes, it is the platform. warturds is so far behind ah it's pathetic and even a price drop won't bring in new players. the maps suck, the fm's stink and the damage models are horrendous. anyone who took notice at wildbill's marketing strategy should have noted that nothing he tried did anything of note to bring players in.
Its been so long since I played it that I don't really remember. Way back in the day I thought 2.77 was rather good. But I left in 2004 due to very sub standard customer service. However, from a pure camaraderie and excitement value, I found Armoured Assault, back then mind you, to be exceptional. Especially in the early days when we could use dot commands to call for fire and air support. I recall some very intense battles with up to 20 players in there for hours on end. Granted those numbers are pathetic compared to AH but an AH platform with the proper development and customer service would work and may even become popular.
Regardless of this versus that or "oh no we'll lose numbers" having a GV arena is not all that bad an idea. Like I said, make it a lot like WWII Battle Tanks: T-34 vs Tiger and HTC will develop a fan base. And most will be like me ...splitting time in both arenas. Sometimes I feel like a tank ...and sometimes I don't.
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Geez, you have a lot in there. On the main point:
1) Fighting GVs against AC is not a challenge, but is instead an exercise in frustration, and if you try it for awhile you will see why. The disparity in capability is just too great. It is not at all similar to fighting a P40 versus a La7.
Then the old LTARS were doing something wrong. Half would be in tanks the other half would be in osties and it was VERY tough to stop them from taking a base, or take a base when they defended.
2) I think that GV-safe playing areas (either a separate arena, or mods to existing game play in existing arenas, all in the interest of minimal AC interference) would be popular, as evidenced by the new Crater MA TT usage. Such areas are frequently absent in the current setup, for various reasons.
The new GV areas are popular IN the main LW arena because they are IN the LW arena. Take them out and put them in a seperate arena and they will be ghost towns, see WWI, EW, MW arenas for proof.
3) I think that custom arenas would be much less effective in attracting the maximum number of GVers, because arena visibility would be inadequate and there is no effective way to advertise them. In contrast, if when you log in you see “LW, MW, EW, GV Arena”, those problems are eliminated. (Actually, GV Arena should be at the top of the list ...).
because they are NOT the main arena. again see the other arenas to see how "popular" it could be.
4) However, instead of a separate GV arena, I would still prefer to use the normal maps, but with game-play modifications to make portions of the map GV-safe (per above), at all times and under all map conditions.
MH
... and while were at it lets make it so that once your inside 5 miles of the depots you can no longer take damage to your buffs, after all bomber pilots should be able to have their fun with out others trying to kill them.
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Geez, you have a lot in there. On the main point:
1) Fighting GVs against AC is not a challenge, but is instead an exercise in frustration, and if you try it for awhile you will see why. The disparity in capability is just too great. It is not at all similar to fighting a P40 versus a La7.
Then the old LTARS were doing something wrong. Half would be in tanks the other half would be in osties and it was VERY tough to stop them from taking a base, or take a base when they defended.
Not talking about a highly-organized squad trying to capture a base, but the false claim that in general a GV (typically a tank in the middle of a tank battle) can effectively fight an AC.
2) I think that GV-safe playing areas (either a separate arena, or mods to existing game play in existing arenas, all in the interest of minimal AC interference) would be popular, as evidenced by the new Crater MA TT usage. Such areas are frequently absent in the current setup, for various reasons.
The new GV areas are popular IN the main LW arena because they are IN the LW arena. Take them out and put them in a seperate arena and they will be ghost towns, see WWI, EW, MW arenas for proof.
You could be right, and that’s why I prefer my alternative. However, I am willing to try the OP, which BTW would require relatively little effort by HTC to implement, since it is just one more of what they already have.
3) I think that custom arenas would be much less effective in attracting the maximum number of GVers, because arena visibility would be inadequate and there is no effective way to advertise them. In contrast, if when you log in you see “LW, MW, EW, GV Arena”, those problems are eliminated. (Actually, GV Arena should be at the top of the list ...).
because they are NOT the main arena. again see the other arenas to see how "popular" it could be.
The other arenas are not GV arenas, but instead pertain to less popular elements of the game, and less popular game settings. Not comparable.
4) However, instead of a separate GV arena, I would still prefer to use the normal maps, but with game-play modifications to make portions of the map GV-safe (per above), at all times and under all map conditions.
... and while were at it lets make it so that once your inside 5 miles of the depots you can no longer take damage to your buffs, after all bomber pilots should be able to have their fun with out others trying to kill them.
Not the same. Your characterization here is global (OP isn’t), eliminates existing styles of play (OP doesn’t); and implies that the goal of the OP is to keep GVs from being killed at all (not what OP, or my alternative, asks for).
MH
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... and while were at it lets make it so that once your inside 5 miles of the depots you can no longer take damage to your buffs, after all bomber pilots should be able to have their fun with out others trying to kill them.
Oh heck no! One of the biggest thrills there is for BUFF drivers is trying to get his stricken ship home without running out of fuel from leaking holes, seizing an engine or two or getting jumped by furballing wolves who smell blood!
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Why not a low cloud cover area on maps for gvs to fight it out?
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Why not a low cloud cover area on maps for gvs to fight it out?
That's exactly what IEN did in the early days of Armoured Assault when we could pilot Stukas and Apaches in the arena as close support. The cloud cover was very low making the flying very harrowing and limited. An excellent idea.
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Why not a low cloud cover area on maps for gvs to fight it out?
That's one idea, but it would make the game look wierd, and I can think of lots of better ways to do it. Anyway, I don't want to eliminate the current play styles, but instead to supplement them with an additional GV-safe style. I have no problems with people bombing GVs; just not everywhere.
MH
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Why not a low cloud cover area on maps for gvs to fight it out?
nice dense fog about 250 feet above the battle,,, great idea,, still gives planes a chance,, but evens things out a lot,,, might be a big frame rate killer tho!
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Aces High is not WWIIOnline, World of Tanks, or War Thunder.
But, you gents are attempting to convince Hitech to do to his unique game offering the same as California expat's have politically done to Washington, Oregon, Colorado and New Mexico.
This is a combat simulator game using ww2 toys 24x7. If you want no airplanes to bomb your tanks, there are arenas offering you that ability. But, the MA is a "free for all" where once you spawn out in your toy, you are free game to be destroyed by everyone with a popgun or bomb to drop on you. You will do exactly the same to them with your cannon if they screw up and get in your sights with the same lack of remorse. That's the price to pay for flying, driving or sailing anything in the MA.
No one in the MA has it any easier than anyone else. We all die and get our rosy perfect evenings screwed for us by some SOB. Who couldn't give a ratz hairy kester that you think Hitech should give you special exemptions from the carnage called the Main Arena.
That's what you are trying to convince Hitech of here. That for some reason more special than everyone else's, you deserve an exemption from getting your kesters blown to heck by having the MA modified to protect your special little kesters.
We should expand this to the fighter guys and bomber guys. It would be no different than them wanting special exceptions against being shot down. Say an anti-muppet exception for the fighter guys and an anti-Snailman exception for the strat bombers. And an anti-torpedo bomber exception for all those guys who can never get close enough to the CV to get off their torpedo's. And an anti-field ack exception for the vulchers who are simply trying to get a kill off those pesky ack huggers. And an "anti-tank hiding in the bomber hanger" exception trying to get your plane in the air just as the fighter hanger ups who the last thing they hear is "Boooooom".
Everyone dies in this game exactly when they don't want to. None of you are any exception or any more special.
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Aces High is not WWIIOnline, World of Tanks, or War Thunder.
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That's right Bustr; ignore the detailed points previously made. If you actually paid attention to them your position would collapse, wouldn't it ...
MH
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That's right Bustr; ignore the detailed points previously made. If you actually paid attention to them your position would collapse, wouldn't it ...
MH
Or, which has been pointed out, you choose to ignore the fact that you can immediately have the environment you want using existing game functions. Your position is the one without legs. I am not trying to be antagonistic, just giving my opinion on the wish. Why do you want a kiddie pool area in the MA? That you do not understand what buster is saying is because you want the game to function a certain way that you want to play. Why should any section of the fight in the MA have special considerations? Make a map and set it up to your particular design and then get it put into the game. I just do not get why there needs to be anything special done when there are alternatives for people who agree with you. If you have such a following, then there is not going to be a lot of wheedling to get people in there right? I mean, how is a separate GV arena going to fair any better than the current sparsely populated arenas. Why do GVers feel it is unfair that someone has a chance to bomb them if they want? I mean, if you don't want to be killed in a GV then the TA, DA, or custom arena can take care of that. Why should the MA be cordoned off? It is about combat, all interlaced together. I do not even bother with attacking GVs myself. I get ambushed now and then by Ostis and Wirbs on the deck sometime, don't really like it since I can't see them until I am on them anymore, but cest la vie, I deal with it. I generally see more GVs taken out by other GVs than AC anyway, but that is just my little slice of reality. Honestly, you really are asking for the game to be changed just to suit yourself at the expense of others. I mean honestly, my wish would be that if you pork a field you have to stop and fight it out if a defender shows up rather than doing Cuban 8s until ack gets you or a plane finally catches up to you or if you bail from your plane without a fight you get sent to desktop, and buffs can't fly over 15K since I am too lazy to climb into the stratosphere to defend against them. Lancstukas should cause a week banishment, A20s dog fighting should shed parts (and other buffs not rated for acrobatics as well) Drones should be lost or take twice the amount of time to catch up and should never warp back into position. Add Me 163s to all bases near HQ and strats as well. I think hordes should self destruct when the 10th aircraft crosses a darbar all at once, I mean really. Play my way please!
Organize, use the available game mechanics and you get the exact thing you want. I am not against you, just trying to show you have the potential already modeled. If you put half as much effort into trying to make it work than you are using putting everyone down I am sure you could get something good put into place. :salute
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You guys are asking Hitech to make a special exemption for you from facing the full fury of the Main Arena because you drive tanks. No other group of players would get any special exemption from that same fury and Russian Roulette we all play with our game lives.
What makes you so special over anyone else in this game?
Is your death and frustration in a tank more special than my same frustration over my death in a fighter?
What makes your cartoon death in your cartoon toy any more tragic than my cartoon death in my cartoon toy of choice in this game?
We both pay the same amount for our subscriptions to access the MA and use all of it's toys as we see fit. What makes your $14.95 so special that you deserve an exemption from all the possible types of death in the arena that everyone else has to suffer?
What is so special about "you" over all the other special $14.95 paying customers?
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Anyway, I don't want to eliminate the current play styles,
except for killing vehicles with planes. :headscratch:
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Why is it so hard just to let him have what he wants and If it fails rub it In his face. And if a separate arena will be a ghost town as you say it will be then let it happen. It's not like anyone is asking for a game changing breakthrough. One thing I have noticed its the aces high customers that drive away new players not the game. Y'all are a bunch of elitist tards this isn't the army where if it's not broke don't fix it applies. The aces high community as a whole is the most unfriendly community I've ran across in any of my hobbies. And that will be its slow downfall.
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Why is it so hard just to let him have what he wants and If it fails rub it In his face. And if a separate arena will be a ghost town as you say it will be then let it happen. It's not like anyone is asking for a game changing breakthrough. One thing I have noticed its the aces high customers that drive away new players not the game. Y'all are a bunch of elitist tards this isn't the army where if it's not broke don't fix it applies. The aces high community as a whole is the most unfriendly community I've ran across in any of my hobbies. And that will be its slow downfall.
Post-marked for review in five years if you haven't been chased off to someplace 'better' by then.
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Or, which has been pointed out, you choose to ignore the fact that you can immediately have the environment you want using existing game functions. Your position is the one without legs.
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Actually, I considered and commented on your suggestion in my point (3) earlier. Apparently you overlooked it.
3) I think that custom arenas would be much less effective in attracting the maximum number of GVers, because arena visibility would be inadequate and there is no effective way to advertise them. In contrast, if when you log in you see “LW, MW, EW, GV Arena”, those problems are eliminated. (Actually, GV Arena should be at the top of the list ...).
As for the rest of your post (removed in the quote), remember that what I am pushing for is adding an *additional* play mode to satisfy my and others’ play preferences (GV versus GV without constant air interference). We want this because it is fun for us, and not because we want to ruin anyone else’s fun. Since the “wish” is additional, and since it allows the other play styles to remain in place, your opposition to it is difficult to justify, IMHO.
MH
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You guys are asking Hitech to make a special exemption for you from facing the full fury of the Main Arena because you drive tanks. No other group of players would get any special exemption from that same fury and Russian Roulette we all play with our game lives.
What makes you so special over anyone else in this game?
Is your death and frustration in a tank more special than my same frustration over my death in a fighter?
What makes your cartoon death in your cartoon toy any more tragic than my cartoon death in my cartoon toy of choice in this game?
We both pay the same amount for our subscriptions to access the MA and use all of it's toys as we see fit. What makes your $14.95 so special that you deserve an exemption from all the possible types of death in the arena that everyone else has to suffer?
What is so special about "you" over all the other special $14.95 paying customers?
You could say this about any "wish". Each of us pushes for what we prefer, right? BTW, your characterization of what is being asked for is inaccurate, ("...exemption from all the possible types of death.."). I assume you are familiar with the expression "straw man".
MH
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<snip> Anyway, I don't want to eliminate the current play styles <snip>
except for killing vehicles with planes. :headscratch:
Wrong; that's not what I said. Only on *portions* of the map (or a separate *additional* arena), not everywhere.
4) However, instead of a separate GV arena, I would still prefer to use the normal maps, but with game-play modifications to make portions of the map GV-safe (per above), at all times and under all map conditions.
MH
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You could say this about any "wish". Each of us pushes for what we prefer, right? BTW, your characterization of what is being asked for is inaccurate, ("...exemption from all the possible types of death.."). I assume you are familiar with the expression "straw man".
MH
except by other GVs of course,,,? Or did you miss that part?
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Post-marked for review in five years if you haven't been chased off to someplace 'better' by then.
if aces high is the same In five years then yes I will be gone might even be gone before. the gameplay has gone down all people wana do is bnz and get their name in the text buffer. Battlefield 3 has better teamwork and communication than aces high and that's on PlayStation3 and I don't have to pay anything a month to play. Just look at this one thread one wants something so he can improve his net worth of the game that he pays for with HIS own money and the otherside instead of bein supportive with HIS wish they just get the bandwagon of waaaaaaa and it'll never work and you wana distroy the game. Why cuz he doesn't play the game the way you think it should be played.
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I especially like how the community as a whole thinks they have a say in what happens to the game I guess this is where all the it'll never work cuz I say so comes from
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I especially like how the community as a whole thinks they have a say in what happens to the game I guess this is where all the it'll never work cuz I say so comes from
do a search for night time and you will see where the "it'll never work" attitude actually comes from. some people thought it would be a "great idea", they found out different.
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except by other GVs of course,,,? Or did you miss that part?
I missed it because it's not there; read his post again.
MH
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That comes from lack of real world experience but I'm guess ng by what you said they got that wish and it failed right at least it got a shot to fail
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That comes from lack of real world experience but I'm guess ng by what you said they got that wish and it failed right at least it got a shot to fail
Also, it is not logical to say that because one suggestion (btw a bad one on a completely different topic) failed that all others will too. We'd still be living in caves if everyone thought that way. Even though the OP isn't my preferred solution, I am willing to try it if HTC is.
MH
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it's possible this might get a chance to fail as well...ya never know. people got pissed off on a regular basis when there 2 lw arenas and 1 or the other was locked down due to a population cap. everyone wants to be where the rest of the gang is...just based on past history here, you can put your money on a gv only arena looking like the ew arena in less time than it took for the ww1 arena to empty out.
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it's possible this might get a chance to fail as well...ya never know. people got pissed off on a regular basis when there 2 lw arenas and 1 or the other was locked down due to a population cap. everyone wants to be where the rest of the gang is...just based on past history here, you can put your money on a gv only arena looking like the ew arena in less time than it took for the ww1 arena to empty out.
Hopefully HTC will try it. Maybe you are right, and nobody will use it. OK, then they back out the GV arena and we try another idea. As stated previously, I prefer the alternative of modifying either the maps or the "rules" of the LW main arena to allow at least some (tactically interesting) place on every map where GVs can play relatively free of AC. As stated previously, at least one example of this already exists in the form of certain Tank Towns, like the one in CraterMA. I think there is a better way to integrate GV-safe areas into the map than TTs, however. And of course you will still be able to attack GVs with AC easily outside these zones.
MH
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My Bad!
Now,, I would love to see the GV's get a chance with some low cloud cover,, Battle of the Bulge type stuff,, weather reports!!!!! plan a mission in 30 minutes because the target will be low visibility from the air,( we did use to have a few ports that had cloud banks and fog every few hours), roll tanks, m-3's and other support vehicles,, bombers trying to drop on GV's thru cloud cover, using the clipboard maps or ground spotters,, realism,, that"s how it was,, Tanks got blown to bits by air when they didn't have cover or air superiority, but in real life,, everything was coordinated,, planes covered tanks or the tanks didn't roll,, in the game, we do not now have the kind of central planning and teamwork that this type of battle needs,, I see it on occasion from the Bishops side more than any other but even then,, the path of least resistance is sought out and gone after as soon as stiff resistance is met,, A great strategy for those who play to win the war,, not so much tho for those who just want to play.
for the pilots who are afraid of losing the ability to bomb GV's,, defend your GV drivers,, big fat heavies are great targets and are usually found above Gv battles in a large quantity , come in heavy, drop your bombs,, then stay and defend your GV drivers instead of running home to get more ord. I fly to those areas without ord most of the time and just try to kill the Heavies for the fun of it!
As far as a GV only arena,, I see NO reason to not try this other than ability to task a server,
or put a more GV friendly area in the DA,, I'll go look at it again but I don't remember the one that is there being very good,, although it is there,, we used it a long time ago for heavy metal Sunday and got bombed there as well,, :bhead but that was a long time ago,, not sure if you can still even get ords in the DA now?,, still,, someone would fly stuka's and b-25s or IL2s to that area and try to kill GVs I'd almost guarantee it!
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Hopefully HTC will try it. Maybe you are right, and nobody will use it. OK, then they back out the GV arena and we try another idea. As stated previously, I prefer the alternative of modifying either the maps or the "rules" of the LW main arena to allow at least some (tactically interesting) place on every map where GVs can play relatively free of AC. As stated previously, at least one example of this already exists in the form of certain Tank Towns, like the one in CraterMA. I think there is a better way to integrate GV-safe areas into the map than TTs, however. And of course you will still be able to attack GVs with AC easily outside these zones.
MH
did you ever go to the ava when they ran tank weeks? there is great map for urban tank fighting they can put into rotation too...i think USRanger made it. actually speaking of the ava, there is nothing stopping everyone (that is everyone who wants a tank only arena) from asking the ava guys to run a tank only week and see for yourselves what the turnout will be for a 7 day period. i'm sure Lusche could even be asked to run some stats on it so you have some data.
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I am going to have to practice my bombing
Oh and -1 on the idea, I need targets for my bombs.
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did you ever go to the ava when they ran tank weeks? there is great map for urban tank fighting they can put into rotation too...i think USRanger made it. actually speaking of the ava, there is nothing stopping everyone (that is everyone who wants a tank only arena) from asking the ava guys to run a tank only week and see for yourselves what the turnout will be for a 7 day period. i'm sure Lusche could even be asked to run some stats on it so you have some data.
In another thread they said no
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Up fighter cover :old:
Exactly the same as guy complaing about NOE bomber raid being owned :old:
You complain about being bombed get your squad mates to protect you :old:
Whats up with you people? :old:
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Up fighter cover :old:
Exactly the same as guy complaing about NOE bomber raid being owned :old:
You complain about being bombed get your squad mates to protect you :old:
Whats up with you people? :old:
Not everyone wants to play in a group/squad. Not everyone wants to do planned missions. Next question?
MH
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Not everyone wants to play in a group/squad. Not everyone wants to do planned missions. Next question?
MH
Funny your offering one of the best tankers in game 'zack' advice you n00let he would pwn you in a tank new guy.
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I think this is a brilliant idea. Brilliant. In fact let's go a bit further with the concept and separate out the ground war into a sort of separate game thingy, a whole world of just tank battles. In fact you could call it World of Tanks, say, and everyone that really wants to drive tanks could go and play that and leave HTC to get on with making more aircraft, especially fighter aircraft (my personal favourite) in the fantastic air combat simulator called Aces High. Shizzle.
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Not everyone wants to play in a group/squad. Not everyone wants to do planned missions. Next question?
MH
Gameplay choices have consequences. If I choose to fly alone, I'm not going to have much luck against a large bomber mission with fighter escort protecting the bombers even if I want to intercept those bombers. If I choose to fly alone and attempt to take a base with a Stuka, I am going to find that exceedingly difficult even though that's what I want to do. If I choose to tank alone, I'm going to die a lot if the enemy is throwing a GV horde at the base I'm attempting to defend. If I want to intercept bombers, I'm going to have to climb above 2k altitude more often than not, regardless of how much I want to.
If you don't want to be bombed, your side is going to need some means of dealing with aircraft.
At least the request for a GV only arena is an honest one. It skips the middle step all the 'make us invisible to aircraft or impervious to bombs' wishes attempt to create.
Wiley.
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Why is it Shida you try and ruin a perfectly good post and try to make light of someones misfortune.
I am not angry Shida only disappointed :old:
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I think this is a brilliant idea. Brilliant. In fact let's go a bit further with the concept and separate out the ground war into a sort of separate game thingy, a whole world of just tank battles. In fact you could call it World of Tanks, say, and everyone that really wants to drive tanks could go and play that and leave HTC to get on with making more aircraft, especially fighter aircraft (my personal favourite) in the fantastic air combat simulator called Aces High. Shizzle.
Your point fails to impress because it ignores the fact that HTC has *chosen* to cater to tanks and to people who want to use them. They obviously haven't added new tanks to cater to the ground attack guys. If I bomb a GV, I could care less if it is a Jagdpanzer IV or a Sherman. The distinction only makes sense from the perspective tank-versus-tank matchups.
So since the company who owns Aces Hight has *chosen* to support GVs to an ever-increasing degree, it makes sense to try to optimize the GV experience. It also makes sense for the community to consider the preferences of both segments of the community, for the common good. Even if you never GV, this makes sense, as it means potential additional subscribers to support the air portion of the game. And if some day you decide to do the GV thing more, it will be an *additional* game play mode for you to enjoy. Let's try and be a bit more open-minded here.
MH
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At least the request for a GV only arena is an honest one. It skips the middle step all the 'make us invisible to aircraft or impervious to bombs' wishes attempt to create.
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If you are referring to my several contemporary wishes, they are equally honest as to motivation, if you actually read the OPs. (If on the other hand you assume a paranoid perspective ...) It's just another way to achieve the same thing (some GV-safe playing areas), and does in fact only affect *part of* the map, leaving current game play modes in place. In both cases, presumably some people will chose to operate GVs in the GV arena / VBase circles, where they will be difficult to bomb. To that extent, you will be losing targets, albeit involuntary ones. On the other hand, there will still be people in the non-GV arenas / outside VBase circles doing their normal GV things, which you can bomb. It seems to me than with both types of ideas that the worst case for the ground attack guys is fewer targets. Whether this would occur to a noticable degree is TBD.
MH
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If you are referring to my several contemporary wishes, they are equally honest as to motivation, if you actually read the OPs. (If on the other hand you assume a paranoid perspective ...) It's just another way to achieve the same thing (some GV-safe playing areas), and does in fact only affect *part of* the map, leaving current game play modes in place. In both cases, presumably some people will chose to operate GVs in the GV arena / VBase circles, where they will be difficult to bomb. To that extent, you will be losing targets, albeit involuntary ones. On the other hand, there will still be people in the non-GV arenas / outside VBase circles doing their normal GV things, which you can bomb. It seems to me than with both types of ideas that the worst case for the ground attack guys is fewer targets. Whether this would occur to a noticable degree is TBD.
MH
I just don't see a point to any of the other stuff. All the anti-bombing crowd seems to want is someplace where they don't have to interact with anything else in the game, yet for some reason they want it to be in the middle of the MA. A separate arena fulfills all of their desires for gameplay and is ridiculously simple to implement.
Wiley.
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I just don't see a point to any of the other stuff. All the anti-bombing crowd seems to want is someplace where they don't have to interact with anything else in the game, yet for some reason they want it to be in the middle of the MA. A separate arena fulfills all of their desires for gameplay and is ridiculously simple to implement.
Wiley.
Concisely put. The reason for the "in the MA" ideas is that I have this feeling in the back of my mind that the fragmentation of a separate arena might be less desirable (although I'd be willing to try it). There seems to be a critical player mass issue with these separate arenas which I admit I don't entirely understand. Perhaps I haven't put enough thought into how the VBase circle ideas would screw up the main arenas. All I could do is imagine myself flying a fighter (which I do from time to time) or participating in base capture as an individual (also done from time to time), and thinking that it all would still work if my mods were added to the game.
Remember that my VBase ideas would be ridiculously simple to implement too. For example "if (in_circle) noGVIcon();". So I don't think that's an issue. I admit that there could be unanticipated game play issues. It's just that the current situation clearly needs to be fixed (if you GV a lot), so that some risk seems acceptable to me.
MH
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Your point fails to impress...
Not as unimpressive as your inability to distinguish sarcasm.
I was given to understand that HTC included the ground element to promote air combat. So my suggestion is hardly more absurd than the suggestion to give GVs a separate arena. As I merely pointed out, this is already available elsewhere.
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I think this is a brilliant idea. Brilliant. In fact let's go a bit further with the concept and separate out the ground war into a sort of separate game thingy, a whole world of just tank battles. In fact you could call it World of Tanks, say, and everyone that really wants to drive tanks could go and play that and leave HTC to get on with making more aircraft, especially fighter aircraft (my personal favourite) in the fantastic air combat simulator called Aces High. Shizzle.
If WoT is so great, why aren't you flying in War of Warplanes? Same company.
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:lol
Shida said "shizzle"
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:lol :lol
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I think we should have a gv arena right after the new ww1 arena get's added. after all there are lots of people who have been asking for one for many years. heck we should even have an early war arena and a midwar arena. the more arena's we have the better. I am pretty sure all will be populated more than the MA.
semp
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What's the point of having an arena full of ground targets and no bombs?
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Yes :old:
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If WoT is so great, why aren't you flying in War of Warplanes? Same company.
:rolleyes:
I don't recall commenting on the quality of World of Tanks, I've never played it so I wouldn't know. I simply stated that there is already a dedicated tanks only game.
If this wish is basically a disguised whine about getting bombed by aircraft then isn't than an axiom of every armed conflict since Hitler's World Tour 1939-1945? Like several have already stated secure your own air cover or accept that fundamental limitation.
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Deacon answer Shidas question which you have failed to really answer :old:
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Yes. We demand an answer Deacon or we are going to bomb you.
Gravity > Tanks.
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If WoT is so great, why aren't you flying in War of Warplanes? Same company.
Make sure when you play games developed by this company, ie., World of Warplanes, World of Tanks, that you have a very fat wallet and are willing to put it on a weight loss diet because it will get thin VERY quickly! Pretty graphics, hyper-fast game play, and pay to win does not interest me.
After ten years I could list a plethora of complaints about Aces High and the changes that have taken place since I started that have impacted my personal style of game play, including GV's, but it would be for naught. The game goes on and I have learned to improvise, adapt, and overcome all of my objections over the years. The bottom line is: aircraft get shot down and ground vehicles get bombed! And! I've earned my perk points through battle, not from my wallet.
If you want separate aircraft-free public GV arenas, they already exist, in two places: the Dueling Arena, and in the Training Arena. All you have to do is populate them.
Just a few thoughts....
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In view of the ever decreasing attendance and the resulting gameplay issues, any idea to further split up the numbers is a bad one in my opinion.
Agreed
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I find myself playing a lot less than I use to. Boredom mainly, same hordes, same furballs, same maps( I know make a new one..sorry not my job). What would it hurt to try, just try it for a month or so to see what would happen, might even get some new players in. I also know some of you will and already have said "This is ACES HIGH" it's all about fighter combat, in that case do away with the cv's, gv's and see how many people you have left in the game then! :salute
I feel the same way, Hawker. Playing a lot less than I used to and not enjoying it anywhere near as much when I do. Repetitive maps, scenarios, etc.
The maps are too big for the number of people now playing. This results in maps staying active for far too long before they change.
Bases are too spread out on many of the maps and it gets boring to fly so far only to get blasted by ack.
I would not be interested in a ground only arena unless the way the ground combat system is massively improved. Currently it belongs in the 1980's.
I've seen situation with 300 base maps and 60 players or less signed-in, and on average only 60% of signed in players are actually active. I so often find myself staring at a map and wondering where to find some action, ie fun.
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Join The GFC!
Pipz and me other week were out of control :rofl
I nearly got banned from BOB for losing the plot and shouting at everyone :rofl (I though i was Stanford Tuck and BoB was real)
Pipz found a dancing man in his cockpit and I had to lay down i dark room for a hour with a towel on my head.
Yesterday apparently Sawzaz was really annoyed with me on 200 but i have never tuned into it, i was tuned into pipz squad and a awesome time was had by all.
B2B introduced a new word into the game the "Horror" at Sawzaws predicament +1 to B2B :old:
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Deacon answer Shidas question which you have failed to really answer :old:
What question? All I've seen from him is rambling gibberish. Please elaborate.
MH
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(http://i724.photobucket.com/albums/ww247/Glendinho/3.jpg) (http://s724.photobucket.com/user/Glendinho/media/3.jpg.html)
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What question? All I've seen from him is rambling gibberish. Please elaborate.
MH
:rofl
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All I've seen from him is rambling gibberish.
That's fascinating, I've got exactly the same impression of you.
I had a quick look and I had to go back three tours to even find you taking a flight in this game, err, what's it called again, oh yes Aces HIGH. But whatever, it's your $15. Just to show there's no hard feelings I bought you a present:
(http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k526/rwrk2/TeachYourselftoFly_zpsecf5762c.jpg) (http://s1114.photobucket.com/user/rwrk2/media/TeachYourselftoFly_zpsecf5762c.jpg.html)
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(http://www.worldwar2aces.com/tiger-tank/tiger-tank-images/tiger-tank-24.jpg)
"Hey, tank driver, you in there? Bet you mad, eh bro."
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That's fascinating, I've got exactly the same impression of you.
I had a quick look and I had to go back three tours to even find you taking a flight in this game, err, what's it called again, oh yes Aces HIGH. But whatever, it's your $15. Just to show there's no hard feelings I bought you a present:
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You need to learn how to use the statistics tool on the main page then. I haven't flown much recently, but I have flown. It seems that when the undereducated can no longer maintain the discussion in print, they resort to pictures. If you take my adivice, however, I think you might do better if you learned to make your own cartoons, like Fugitive.
MH
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Arlo and Shida +1
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(http://imageshack.us/a/img27/7326/9fbg.jpg)
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You need to learn how to use the statistics tool on the main page then. I haven't flown much recently, but I have flown. It seems that when the undereducated can no longer maintain the discussion in print, they resort to pictures.
I shouldn't make assumptions about my education if I were you, you'll probably embarrass yourself. You've only GVed for the last two months according to the scoreboard. Hence your philosophy regarding GVs. Just bear in mind this is primarily an air combat game and as you can clearly see your views aren't widely shared. Getting nasty because you can't assert your argument won't go well for you on this board, you're far too serious.
If you take my adivice...
If I buy a tractor I'll be sure to ask for your advice. :P
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Getting nasty because you can't assert your argument won't go well for you on this board, you're far too serious.
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You are in a poor position to whine about people being “nasty”, since your first post in this thread was a sarcastic one, and the others weren't much better. You reap what you sow.
MH
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You are in a poor position to whine about people being “nasty”, since your first post in this thread was a sarcastic one. You reap what you sow.
Sarcasm and wit are quite closely connected in my culture. I'm not whining about people being nasty, bring it on if you want to go there.
Reap what I sow? :rofl The funniest outcome of this latest campaigning by tankers who want to be invincible is ironically likely to be a massive increase in bombing from those who normally abstain. Sow that acrophobia boy! :banana:
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I'm still giggling at "shizzle" :lol
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<deleted, because it was too mean; this is like clubbing baby seals ...>
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Guess HT could give a hangar option of 'tankbrella' (50 perks).
(http://damncoolgadgets.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Palm-Tree-Stick-Umbrella.jpg)
The matching purse would cost an extra ten.
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In view of the ever decreasing attendance and the resulting gameplay issues, any idea to further split up the numbers is a bad one in my opinion.
The way I see it, the GVers have already separated themselves from the rest of the arena when they go to the good spawnfest and sit there and plink at each other all day. About the only downside to the separate arena I can see is it would show how many people are actually working with aircraft/combined arms versus how many are just sitting around 'furballing' in GV's. I have a feeling that number might be a bit disheartening for some pilots, but only slightly less disheartening than logging into an arena showing 200 players and only seeing ~80 planes in the air.
Wiley.
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The way I see it, the GVers have already separated themselves from the rest of the arena when they go to the good spawnfest and sit there and plink at each other all day. About the only downside to the separate arena I can see is it would show how many people are actually working with aircraft/combined arms versus how many are just sitting around 'furballing' in GV's. I have a feeling that number might be a bit disheartening for some pilots, but only slightly less disheartening than logging into an arena showing 200 players and only seeing ~80 planes in the air.
Wiley.
Hey, it's better to have a GV subscriber than no subscriber. And maybe some day they will branch out and fly planes, if not initially driven away by frustration. Remember that anything done to excess can become boring.
MH
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Hey, it's better to have a GV subscriber than no subscriber. And maybe some day they will branch out and fly planes, if not initially driven away by frustration. Remember that anything done to excess can become boring.
MH
There are no GV subscribers. There are, however, Aces High II subscribers. The toys offered in Aces High include planes (fighters, bombers, attack planes), ground vehicles (tanks, tank destroyers, personnel carriers, jeeps), PT boats and even fleets. Some of the attack planes are modeled after historical aircraft that were purposefully built to destroy tanks. I find it an unusual aberration when a player has a dislike or phobia against enjoying the full depth of the game with all it has to offer. I'm not talking about flying planes if you prefer to drive a tank. I'm talking about wanting your tank experience to only be part of what the tanks being modeled experienced in WWII. There will be planes. Drive safely. :D
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There are no GV subscribers. There are, however, Aces High II subscribers.
Obviously, from context, I was referring to those who mostly or exclusively use GVs. Since AH now advertises GVs as well as planes, some new subscribers may be interested only in the former. But if we don't drive them away, they may later branch out into planes as well. And vice versa.
The toys offered in Aces High include planes (fighters, bombers, attack planes), ground vehicles (tanks, tank destroyers, personnel carriers, jeeps), PT boats and even fleets. Some of the attack planes are modeled after historical aircraft that were purposefully built to destroy tanks.
Right; and all these platforms are used in the normal arenas. The OP requested an *additional* GV-only arena.
I find it an unusual aberration when a player has a dislike or phobia against enjoying the full depth of the game with all it has to offer. I'm not talking about flying planes if you prefer to drive a tank. I'm talking about wanting your tank experience to only be part of what the tanks being modeled experienced in WWII. There will be planes. Drive safely. <snip>
Arlo, this is just a game. People play games where they pretend to be Wizards, or Dwarves, or Klingons. It’s perfectly legitimate to want to do something with cartoon tanks which deviates from history (in a *separate* arena wrt to the OP of this thread). Even more so, because AH never claimed to be an accurate model of WWII. It’s a game with accurately modeled planes and GVs in it.
MH
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<deleted, because it was too mean; this is like clubbing baby seals ...>
I bet, clubbing with your fearsome intellect? I'm shaking at the mere prospect. :lol
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I bet, clubbing with your fearsome intellect? I'm shaking at the mere prospect. :lol
Jesus, Shida, don't be so insecure. I have nothing against you personally; just try to be nice when you post.
MH
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Shida you are a disgrace :old:
Apologise to Deacon :old:
Your a scoundrel and a bounder :old:
So in effect Shida your stating that Deacons limit time in GVs implies he cannot form a real opinion in regards to GVs or in fact anything to do with AH?
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Arlo, this is just a game. People play games where they pretend to be Wizards, or Dwarves, or Klingons. It’s perfectly legitimate to want to do something with cartoon tanks which deviates from history (in a *separate* arena wrt to the OP of this thread). Even more so, because AH never claimed to be an accurate model of WWII. It’s a game with accurately modeled planes and GVs in it.
However, it's not a game designed to segregate planes from vehicles from ships no more than a fantasy online game would consider creating separate arenas for wizards alone or dwarves alone or Trekkie games for klingons alone or vulcans alone. I don't see a GV only arena as beneficial to the game or the community.
Now, having said that, and realizing how you, yourself, mentioned how some players just don't want to be part of the bigger picture, not part of squadrons or anything, I suppose such a mentality would find it hard to set up a custom arena, disable all the toys they don't personally like then look for like-minded souls that want to play AHII - lite (GVs only). You should have at least one dedicated opponent, the OP. Maybe more than that. It'd be a way to test how really popular an idea like this is. If there were such arenas popping up all the time, perhaps HT and company would take it as some sort of sign. I'm skeptical of this coming to pass to make said impression, however. And I'm fairly confident in believing the HTC hasn't been modeling GVs with the idea that they need their own arena to cater to the dozen or so players that want to be left to GV vs. GV 'in peace.'
Anyhow, here's to seeing a regular appearance of a custom arena or two entitled 'Nothing but GVs here.'
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Shida certainly is a bounder, also a rotter and dare I say a cad!
Deacon has failed to appreciate the magnificence of his adversary in this fableeus hexchange.
Zack smells like a week old laundry basket.
I got engaged yesterday.
He's lovely :banana:
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What does marrying a man have to do with deacon not being very good in GVs? :old:
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What does marrying a man have to do with deacon not being very good in GVs? :old:
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However, it's not a game designed to segregate planes from vehicles from ships no more than a fantasy online game would consider creating separate arenas for wizards alone or dwarves alone or Trekkie games for klingons alone or vulcans alone. I don't see a GV only arena as beneficial to the game or the community.
Now, having said that, and realizing how you, yourself, mentioned how some players just don't want to be part of the bigger picture, not part of squadrons or anything, I suppose such a mentality would find it hard to set up a custom arena, disable all the toys they don't personally like then look for like-minded souls that want to play AHII - lite (GVs only). You should have at least one dedicated opponent, the OP. Maybe more than that. It'd be a way to test how really popular an idea like this is. If there were such arenas popping up all the time, perhaps HT and company would take it as some sort of sign. I'm skeptical of this coming to pass to make said impression, however. And I'm fairly confident in believing the HTC hasn't been modeling GVs with the idea that they need their own arena to cater to the dozen or so players that want to be left to GV vs. GV 'in peace.'
Anyhow, here's to seeing a regular appearance of a custom arena or two entitled 'Nothing but GVs here.'
Nobody would go there. Remember Trinity tank town, which had *way* more visibility. To work, a GV-friendly arena needs to be on the main menu (where it's "in your face") or GB-friendliness (like my popular no-icon-zone idea) needs to be integrated into all the maps used in the MA.
MH
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Nobody would go there. Remember Trinity tank town, which had *way* more visibility. To work, a GV-friendly arena needs to be on the main menu (where it's "in your face") or GB-friendliness (like my popular no-icon-zone idea) needs to be integrated into all the maps used in the MA.
MH
Mneh. I met ya halfway in a logical manner. :D
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Mneh. I met ya halfway in a logical manner. :D
I did appreciate your conciliatory tone. I'm just telling you my opinion of the visibility issue, which is critical. For example, I have been playing this game since before I started posting on the Forums, and I had never heard of "custom arenas".
But anyway suppose someone makes one. On any given night, how to you inform players of its existence, and how do you tell them that someone is in there. Nobody constantly monitors 200, to say the least. I see this as being similar to Trinity TT in its later years. The thing with Trinity TT was it would be empty, someone would go there and listen for others, hearing nothing they would leave, then maybe later someone else did the same thing, etc. I did this every night Trinity was up. Rarely any critical mass, and that was in the LW MA, visible right on the front page, where most people go by default. I imagine a custom area would be much worse.
But who knows, maybe someone will try your idea anyway, and maybe I'll be wrong.
MH
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But anyway suppose someone makes one. On any given night, how to you inform players of its existence, and how do you tell them that someone is in there. Nobody constantly monitors 200, to say the least.
Seriously? You are really entirely at a loss? Here you are on the game forum discussing the matter with approximately 20 or so players. A lot of people monitor 200 (though I don't anymore, I can guarantee you many more do than are in this thread). Players arrange custom arenas for anything from practice for an event to personalized sandboxes. My squad (and, yes, I understand you may disdain squads) regularly creates custom arenas for practice. Are you presuming that because you didn't know of their existence for some time that, in general, nobody does? Are you saying that you aren't familiar with how to create one? That the word cannot be spread sufficiently to give it a shot? Or are you concerned that nobody ..... or hardly anybody .... would be interested?
There's a way to find out. And it doesn't involve petitioning for a permanent arena to test the theory. Are you asking for assistance?
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arlo ur ful of it so stfu please say no more
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Arlo is awesome, that tank upside down and his cartoon is all that is needed in this thread :old:
I demand AH gives me a water areana so I can pretend I am Oscar Wilde punting on a lake :old:
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arlo ur ful of it so stfu please say no more
Does this mean you want to play in a GV custom sandbox or not? Don't make this
a new fixation with my ankle. Offer a better idea while you're drunk texting from
your phone. Volunteer to help me help Deacon learn how to make a custom arena
purely for GV weenies then put your mouth to better work whipping up a following.
:aok :D
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Please by all means give en their own arena and remove them from the LWMA.
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Arlo is awesome, that tank upside down and his cartoon is all that is needed in this thread :old:
I demand AH gives me a water areana so I can pretend I am Oscar Wilde punting on a lake :old:
:rofl
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arlo ur ful of it so stfu please say no more
Seriously, your 42nd post and this is what you come up with?.
Considering you cannot spell 'you', 'are', 'you're', or full, and that you managed to include an expletive I would suggest your time could be better spent elsewhere :aok
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Seriously? You are really entirely at a loss?
<snip>
No ... I am not "entirely at a loss". Again, I am saying that based on extensive experience with trying to get people to go to specific places in the MA, that your suggestion has definite visibility issues. Although the separate GV-only arena isn't my preferred solution to create some GV-friendly areas, it costs me nothing to try it, if HTC is willing to. Furthermore, if HTC is or is planning to attract people to AH based in part on the GVs, a GV-only arena may be a good way to give those new guys a chance to get used to the game, without constantly being slammed by easy-mode attack aircraft guys. Attracting such new guys to a custom arena as currently implemented would be even more problematic than attracting experienced players.
Perhaps instead you are "entirely at a loss"?
MH
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Jesus, Shida, don't be so insecure. I have nothing against you personally; just try to be nice when you post.
MH
<Cobblers> :old:
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Perhaps instead you are "entirely at a loss"?
I'm not asking HT to do something I can do in a custom arena and rationalizing it's need because of the unfairness of GVs having to deal with 'easy mode' aircraft attacking them.
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tdeacon i agree there should be
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I'm not asking HT to do something I can do in a custom arena and rationalizing it's need because of the unfairness of GVs having to deal with 'easy mode' aircraft attacking them.
Well, neither was the OP, given the visibility issue. BTW, the word "fair" does not apply to AH, and never did. It's a solely (sp?) a question of preferences.
MH
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Well, neither was the OP, given the visibility issue. BTW, the word "fair" does not apply to AH, and never did. It's a solely (sp?) a question of preferences.
MH
I'm not the one (or ones) asking for a dedicated GV only arena to keep from getting bombed by aircraft. I'm all about taking the advantage. But I'm not about asking HiTech to make my advantage for me. :D
Where's our PT Boat only arena, dog-gone it?! :lol
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<Cobblers> :old:
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :) :cry :rofl
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Seriously, your 42nd post and this is what you come up with?.
Considering you cannot spell 'you', 'are', 'you're', or full, and that you managed to include an expletive I would suggest your time could be better spent elsewhere :aok
Tdeacon your going to get this negative crap from these guys they don't gv so they don't care except to shoot down anything that does not fit into there scheme of game play. Take this Danny guy for instance ever seen him in a gv I haven't and Arlo how about him.....nope but they are quick to find something wrong with what you would like to see happen in the arenas. From what I have read Danny and Arlo you need not have posted any comments at all. Only the persons that are interested in gv'ing should be expressing there view on this topic and not the score padding players who look for the easy kills by bombing gv's. What tdeacon is asking many of his fellow players would like to see this done so that it be gv only area but still were the option to play under normal condition still remain. Going to the DA were it is already done is not the same as just having it in the ma were the bulk of players are. Now Danny as far as my spelling really dude.... this is what I am talking about if you have nothing better to do than express negative crap would your time not be better spent by shutting tfu.... anyways I cant wait to see what your reply is going to be but I bet its not positive. Now I'm not going to post any more replies because it will do no good except to have too answer Danny's and arlo's clever witty comments trying to out do me which I could care less but Tdeacon its a good idea I just wish there were more gv-ers here to support you sir.
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Tdeacon your going to get this negative crap from these guys they don't gv so they don't care except to shoot down anything that does not fit into there scheme of game play. Take this Danny guy for instance ever seen him in a gv I haven't and Arlo how about him.....nope but they are quick to find something wrong with what you would like to see happen in the arenas. From what I have read Danny and Arlo you need not have posted any comments at all. Only the persons that are interested in gv'ing should be expressing there view on this topic and not the score padding players who look for the easy kills by bombing gv's. What tdeacon is asking many of his fellow players would like to see this done so that it be gv only area but still were the option to play under normal condition still remain. Going to the DA were it is already done is not the same as just having it in the ma were the bulk of players are. Now Danny as far as my spelling really dude.... this is what I am talking about if you have nothing better to do than express negative crap would your time not be better spent by shutting tfu.... anyways I cant wait to see what your reply is going to be but I bet its not positive. Now I'm not going to post any more replies because it will do no good except to have too answer Danny's and arlo's clever witty comments trying to out do me which I could care less but Tdeacon its a good idea I just wish there were more gv-ers here to support you sir.
Well isn't that a pile. When it comes to outdoing you, there is no 'try' but you're even lost about that. I gave a huge amount of support for additional GVs (Shermans, specifically) both of you seem to think warrants HTC segregating a whole arena for nothing but GV play. That was back when you had to drive a German main battle tank because there was no other kind. And it's rather funny when you indicate (admit) that a GV only arena is not a normal condition. You're accidentally right, it's not.
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Arlo is awesome, that tank upside down and his cartoon is all that is needed in this thread :old:
I demand AH gives me a water areana so I can pretend I am Oscar Wilde punting on a lake :old:
Word of the Day for Tuesday, October 8, 2013
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1. an exaggerated prancing, bouncing movement or manner of moving.
verb:
1. to move, especially to walk, in an exaggerated prancing or bouncing way, as a spirited horse.
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Tdeacon your going to get this negative crap from these guys they don't gv so they don't care except to shoot down anything that does not fit into there scheme of game play.
I have now almost 2,000h in GVs and more than 23K kills in Gv's (more than 17k in tanks) - And I was one of the first in this thread to speak against this wish. :)
It's not always simply a matter of "us" vs "them" ;)
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Tdeacon your going to get this negative crap from these guys they don't gv so they don't care except to shoot down anything that does not fit into there scheme of game play. Take this Danny guy for instance ever seen him in a gv I haven't and Arlo how about him.....nope but they are quick to find something wrong with what you would like to see happen in the arenas. From what I have read Danny and Arlo you need not have posted any comments at all. Only the persons that are interested in gv'ing should be expressing there view on this topic and not the score padding players who look for the easy kills by bombing gv's. What tdeacon is asking many of his fellow players would like to see this done so that it be gv only area but still were the option to play under normal condition still remain. Going to the DA were it is already done is not the same as just having it in the ma were the bulk of players are. Now Danny as far as my spelling really dude.... this is what I am talking about if you have nothing better to do than express negative crap would your time not be better spent by shutting tfu.... anyways I cant wait to see what your reply is going to be but I bet its not positive. Now I'm not going to post any more replies because it will do no good except to have too answer Danny's and arlo's clever witty comments trying to out do me which I could care less but Tdeacon its a good idea I just wish there were more gv-ers here to support you sir.
It's not so much "us" being negative, it's "us" looking at the other side which those of you who think the idea a good one don't.
Let me phrase it this way, YES it's a great idea ...... for GV players. The problem is the game is about more than GVs. It is one big sandbox where we all get to play and interact with each other. This means Wirbles shooting down planes that are just trying to furbal, as well as fighters and bombers bombing GVs that are just trying to spawn camp.... err battle :noid
Splitting the population just isn't good for the community.... unless you can maintain 800-1000 players on line all the time.
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Besides, doesn't the modeling of the Ostwind, the Wirbelwind and the M-16 pretty much indicate that HTC was anticipating aircraft versus GV operations?
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+1 outstanding
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I think the GV faction, if that's how you want to describe it, has been pretty well catered for the last few years. Many more GVs added than fighter aircraft, then the icons range shortened.
Recently I was trying to have a fight with an aircraft that was acting strangely, instead of fighting me he was just trying to drag me to 2 flak vehicle friends. How come the icon range was also shortened on Flaks, since their primary purpose is to shoot down aircraft?
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Let `em eat cake.
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Tdeacon your going to get this negative crap from these guys they don't gv so they don't care except to shoot down anything that does not fit into there scheme of game play. Take this Danny guy for instance ever seen him in a gv I haven't and Arlo how about him.....nope but they are quick to find something wrong with what you would like to see happen in the arenas. From what I have read Danny and Arlo you need not have posted any comments at all. Only the persons that are interested in gv'ing should be expressing there view on this topic and not the score padding players who look for the easy kills by bombing gv's. What tdeacon is asking many of his fellow players would like to see this done so that it be gv only area but still were the option to play under normal condition still remain. Going to the DA were it is already done is not the same as just having it in the ma were the bulk of players are. Now Danny as far as my spelling really dude.... this is what I am talking about if you have nothing better to do than express negative crap would your time not be better spent by shutting tfu.... anyways I cant wait to see what your reply is going to be but I bet its not positive. Now I'm not going to post any more replies because it will do no good except to have too answer Danny's and arlo's clever witty comments trying to out do me which I could care less but Tdeacon its a good idea I just wish there were more gv-ers here to support you sir.
I have tried to work it out, but I am at a loss as to what it is you want :huh
You have a GV only area in the DA, but apparently that isn't good enough, you want to be able to GV in the main arena but with total immunity from air attacks, which is just about the epitome of wanting others to play the game your way :bhead
You are correct about my lack of time in GV's in Aces High, although I feel I have more than made up for it in a military career spent exclusively in and around armoured vehicles. The reason that I choose not to GV in the game, is that it is as far removed from reality as it is possible to get.
There are not more GV'ers here to support tdeacon because what he is basically asking for is:
a.) already available in the DA
b.) completely unrealistic (GV's are attacked by aircraft in RL, just look at that score padding tard Hans Rudel) :old:
And if you honestly believe that I was wrong and that "arlo ur ful of it so stfu please say no more" was a constructive, well thought out contribution to the thread, then I apologise :)
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just look at that score padding tard Hans Rudel) :old:
:rofl :rofl
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Setting a separate arena for GVs is not good in the grand scheme of this game. A GV main arena will mean that AH has effectively split into two games that compete against each other - players cannot be in two arenas at the same time. Since you will want to play with your squad mates and in-game friends, frequent arena hopping will not happen. The result is two communities with two different requests and development branches - modeling a new plane contributes nothing to the "other" game and vice versa when modeling a tank.
I do support GV areas within the terrains of the main arena. Some terrains already have a string of GV fields that are not very close to air bases and do no threaten air bases by not having spawn points near them. A good example is the ilands map where some remote islands have only GV fields on them and it is quite a travel to fly there from a land air base. Yes, the occasional attacker/bomber may fly there and drop some ords but you don't normally see continuous air presence over them. placing a high ridge between them and the nearest air base will deter players from grabbing a bomber formation and carpet bombing the GVs from low alt. We need more of these regions in main arena maps.
V-base spawning to another v-base is almost pure GV battle. V-base with a spawn point to an A-base is an invitation to an air strike.
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I've never been one to 'poo poo' on any idea meant to increase player satisfaction, gameplay elements, etc.
That being said....
This. Is. The. Single. Dumbest. Idea. EVAH!
It is Evil and must be expunged.
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Just sayin'...
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Danny is awesome in a 410 sort of way :)
How big was your weapon when in the forces :old:
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I think the GV faction, if that's how you want to describe it, has been pretty well catered for the last few years. Many more GVs added than fighter aircraft, then the icons range shortened.
Recently I was trying to have a fight with an aircraft that was acting strangely, instead of fighting me he was just trying to drag me to 2 flak vehicle friends. How come the icon range was also shortened on Flaks, since their primary purpose is to shoot down aircraft?
Maybe because A-20's kill them with ease, not even necessary to put down your beer as she'll soak up the 20mm, might even get a laughable smoking effect from it while it goes on to kill 5 more gv's and then conveniently lands...Only to rinse & repeat.
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Maybe because A-20's kill them with ease, not even necessary to put down your beer as she'll soak up the 20mm, might even get a laughable smoking effect from it while it goes on to kill 5 more gv's and then conveniently lands...Only to rinse & repeat.
The slightly larger A-20G seems to be disproportionately tougher than the heavy fighters like the 38, 47, 110, 410 and Mossie. Perhaps that will be looked at when it is updated.
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I have tried to work it out, but I am at a loss as to what it is you want :huh
You have a GV only area in the DA, but apparently that isn't good enough, you want to be able to GV in the main arena but with total immunity from air attacks, which is just about the epitome of wanting others to play the game your way :bhead
You are correct about my lack of time in GV's in Aces High, although I feel I have more than made up for it in a military career spent exclusively in and around armoured vehicles. The reason that I choose not to GV in the game, is that it is as far removed from reality as it is possible to get.
There are not more GV'ers here to support tdeacon because what he is basically asking for is:
a.) already available in the DA
b.) completely unrealistic (GV's are attacked by aircraft in RL, just look at that score padding tard Hans Rudel) :old:
And if you honestly believe that I was wrong and that "arlo ur ful of it so stfu please say no more" was a constructive, well thought out contribution to the thread, then I apologise :)
Danny,
1) I am not the OP, and the OP's idea isn’t my preferred solution to the lack of GV-friendliness in AH, but I am willing to try it if HTC is.
2) The DA thing doesn’t do the job, as mentioned before. It lacks visibility (the main problem), and it also can be griefed by AC should another player choose to do so, which they will if people start to go there regularly. There are a number of other objections which have been covered in more detail in previous posts.
3) Realism isn’t the primary goal in a game like this. Fun is. Furthermore, nobody including HTC has ever claimed that AH game-play dynamics are realistic; they aren’t even supposed to be. Their purpose is to let us play with (hopefully) realistically modeled cartoon planes and tanks within a game-play framework. Also note that in general military-history-based games (which I’ve played for over 40 years) take a selected subset of elements from the real thing, and leave out the majority of elements which aren’t fun (like death, fear, discomfort, waste of resources, etc.).
4) Building on (3) above, therefore, there are a group of people who want an additional sandbox to play in. IMHO, it doesn’t hurt anyone else to add this sandbox, as nobody will be forced to use it. If HTC decides that adding it will bring in more subscribers than it drives away, then they will do so. It’s just a question of practicality and expediency.
MH
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We are going to run a TANK WARZ setup in the Ava from Oct 18-24. That would be a good indicator if their is sustainable numbers for a ground-war only arena.
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We are going to run a TANK WARZ setup in the Ava from Oct 18-24. That would be a good indicator if their is sustainable numbers for a ground-war only arena.
Good luck on this, and I will put it on my calendar, but I disagree with the "good indicator" premise for a number of reasons (like it's AVA, it's one-time-only, the terrain and available GVs may not appeal, etc.).
Do you have a thread somewhere giving details?
MH
EDIT: Thanks for posting the thread. I see you have ground attack planes with 500 pounders. So not at all a "good indicator" of a the popularity of a GV-only arena.
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Setting a separate arena for GVs is not good in the grand scheme of this game. A GV main arena will mean that AH has effectively split into two games that compete against each other - players cannot be in two arenas at the same time. Since you will want to play with your squad mates and in-game friends, frequent arena hopping will not happen. The result is two communities with two different requests and development branches - modeling a new plane contributes nothing to the "other" game and vice versa when modeling a tank.
I do support GV areas within the terrains of the main arena. Some terrains already have a string of GV fields that are not very close to air bases and do no threaten air bases by not having spawn points near them. A good example is the ilands map where some remote islands have only GV fields on them and it is quite a travel to fly there from a land air base. Yes, the occasional attacker/bomber may fly there and drop some ords but you don't normally see continuous air presence over them. placing a high ridge between them and the nearest air base will deter players from grabbing a bomber formation and carpet bombing the GVs from low alt. We need more of these regions in main arena maps.
V-base spawning to another v-base is almost pure GV battle. V-base with a spawn point to an A-base is an invitation to an air strike.
I prefer your alternative as well, but most maps aren't like this. In my experience, a one-sector-away airbase is plenty close enough for people to be willing to fly to the GV battle with attack aircraft. Heck, even in CraterMA TT, with 13K mountains and 2-sector separation, there are always ground attack griefers in there. So, it would be interesting to try a GV-only arena if that's the only fix they're willing to do. It would be easy enough to remove if it didn't work.
MH
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Good luck on this, and I will put it on my calendar, but I disagree with the "good indicator" premise for a number of reasons (like it's AVA, it's one-time-only, the terrain and available GVs may not appeal, etc.).
Do you have a thread somewhere giving details?
MH
EDIT: Thanks for posting the thread. I see you have ground attack planes with 500 pounders. So not at all a "good indicator" of a the popularity of a GV-only arena.
if so many people want to fight in tanks and want planes out of the way, contact me or one of the other admins and we'll disable all the bombs on the planes in the AVA for your fighting pleasure. then you will be free to move about the cabin, so to speak! we, the AVA staff, would be happy to accommodate if it was going to draw a crowd at a particular time.
the AVA and its staff is happy to make it playable for everyone.
if you want my cell phone number so you can text me when you're in there, i'm happy to provide it in a pm.