GROUND VEHICLE ONLY ARENA

[WWhiskey]

My Bad!
Now,, I would love to see the GV's get a chance with some low cloud cover,, Battle of the Bulge type stuff,, weather reports!!!!!  plan a mission in 30 minutes because the target will be low visibility from the air,( we did use to have a few ports that had cloud banks and fog every few hours), roll tanks, m-3's and other support vehicles,, bombers trying to drop on GV's thru cloud cover, using the clipboard maps or ground spotters,, realism,, that"s how it was,, Tanks got blown to bits by air  when they didn't have cover or air superiority, but in real life,, everything was coordinated,,  planes covered tanks or the tanks didn't roll,, in the game, we do not now have the kind of central planning and teamwork that this type of battle needs,, I see it on occasion from the Bishops side more than any other but even then,, the path of least resistance is sought out and gone after as soon as stiff resistance is met,, A great strategy for those who play to win the war,, not so much tho for those who just want to play.
 for the pilots who are afraid of losing the ability to bomb GV's,, defend your GV drivers,,  big fat heavies are great targets and are usually found above Gv battles in a large quantity , come in heavy, drop your bombs,, then stay and defend your GV drivers instead of running home to get more ord. I fly to those areas without ord most of the time and just try to kill the Heavies for the fun of it!

As far as a GV only arena,, I see NO reason to not try this other than ability to task a server,
or put a more GV friendly area in the DA,, I'll go look at it again but I don't remember the one that is there being very good,, although it is there,, we used it a long time ago  for heavy metal Sunday and got bombed there as well,,  but that was a long time ago,, not sure if you  can still even get ords in the DA now?,, still,, someone  would fly stuka's and b-25s or IL2s to that area and try to kill GVs  I'd almost guarantee it!

[gyrene81]

Hopefully HTC will try it.  Maybe you are right, and nobody will use it.  OK, then they back out the GV arena and we try another idea.  As stated previously, I prefer the alternative of modifying either the maps or the "rules" of the LW main arena to allow at least some (tactically interesting) place on every map where GVs can play relatively free of AC.  As stated previously, at least one example of this already exists in the form of certain Tank Towns, like the one in CraterMA.  I think there is a better way to integrate GV-safe areas into the map than TTs, however.  And of course you will still be able to attack GVs with AC easily outside these zones.    

MH

did you ever go to the ava when they ran tank weeks? there is great map for urban tank fighting they can put into rotation too...i think USRanger made it. actually speaking of the ava, there is nothing stopping everyone (that is everyone who wants a tank only arena) from asking the ava guys to run a tank only week and see for yourselves what the turnout will be for a 7 day period. i'm sure Lusche could even be asked to run some stats on it so you have some data.

[pervert]

I am going to have to practice my bombing

Oh and -1 on the idea, I need targets for my bombs.

[danmac]

did you ever go to the ava when they ran tank weeks? there is great map for urban tank fighting they can put into rotation too...i think USRanger made it. actually speaking of the ava, there is nothing stopping everyone (that is everyone who wants a tank only arena) from asking the ava guys to run a tank only week and see for yourselves what the turnout will be for a 7 day period. i'm sure Lusche could even be asked to run some stats on it so you have some data.

In another thread they said no

[zack1234]

Up fighter cover

Exactly the same as guy complaing about NOE bomber raid being owned

You complain about being bombed get your squad mates to protect you

Whats up with you people?

[TDeacon]

Up fighter cover

Exactly the same as guy complaing about NOE bomber raid being owned

You complain about being bombed get your squad mates to protect you

Whats up with you people?

Not everyone wants to play in a group/squad.  Not everyone wants to do planned missions.  Next question? 

MH

[pervert]

Not everyone wants to play in a group/squad.  Not everyone wants to do planned missions.  Next question? 

MH

Funny your offering one of the best tankers in game 'zack' advice you n00let he would pwn you in a tank new guy.

[nrshida]

I think this is a brilliant idea. Brilliant. In fact let's go a bit further with the concept and separate out the ground war into a sort of separate game thingy, a whole world of just tank battles. In fact you could call it World of Tanks, say, and everyone that really wants to drive tanks could go and play that and leave HTC to get on with making more aircraft, especially fighter aircraft (my personal favourite) in the fantastic air combat simulator called Aces High. Shizzle.

[Wiley]

Not everyone wants to play in a group/squad.  Not everyone wants to do planned missions.  Next question? 

MH

Gameplay choices have consequences.  If I choose to fly alone, I'm not going to have much luck against a large bomber mission with fighter escort protecting the bombers even if I want to intercept those bombers.  If I choose to fly alone and attempt to take a base with a Stuka, I am going to find that exceedingly difficult even though that's what I want to do.  If I choose to tank alone, I'm going to die a lot if the enemy is throwing a GV horde at the base I'm attempting to defend.  If I want to intercept bombers, I'm going to have to climb above 2k altitude more often than not, regardless of how much I want to.

If you don't want to be bombed, your side is going to need some means of dealing with aircraft.

At least the request for a GV only arena is an honest one.  It skips the middle step all the 'make us invisible to aircraft or impervious to bombs' wishes attempt to create.

Wiley.

[zack1234]

Why is it Shida you try and ruin a perfectly good post and try to make light of someones misfortune.

I am not angry Shida only disappointed

[TDeacon]

I think this is a brilliant idea. Brilliant. In fact let's go a bit further with the concept and separate out the ground war into a sort of separate game thingy, a whole world of just tank battles. In fact you could call it World of Tanks, say, and everyone that really wants to drive tanks could go and play that and leave HTC to get on with making more aircraft, especially fighter aircraft (my personal favourite) in the fantastic air combat simulator called Aces High. Shizzle.

Your point fails to impress because it ignores the fact that HTC has *chosen* to cater to tanks and to people who want to use them.  They obviously haven't added new tanks to cater to the ground attack guys.  If I bomb a GV, I could care less if it is a Jagdpanzer IV or a Sherman.  The distinction only makes sense from the perspective tank-versus-tank matchups.

So since the company who owns Aces Hight has *chosen* to support GVs to an ever-increasing degree, it makes sense to try to optimize the GV experience.  It also makes sense for the community to consider the preferences of both segments of the community, for the common good.  Even if you never GV, this makes sense, as it means potential additional subscribers to support the air portion of the game.  And if some day you decide to do the GV thing more, it will be an *additional* game play mode for you to enjoy.  Let's try and be a bit more open-minded here. 

MH

[TDeacon]

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At least the request for a GV only arena is an honest one.  It skips the middle step all the 'make us invisible to aircraft or impervious to bombs' wishes attempt to create.
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If you are referring to my several contemporary wishes, they are equally honest as to motivation, if you actually read the OPs.  (If on the other hand you assume a paranoid perspective ...)  It's just another way to achieve the same thing (some GV-safe playing areas), and does in fact only affect *part of* the map, leaving current game play modes in place.  In both cases, presumably some people will chose to operate GVs in the GV arena / VBase circles, where they will be difficult to bomb.  To that extent, you will be losing targets, albeit involuntary ones.  On the other hand, there will still be people in the non-GV arenas / outside VBase circles doing their normal GV things, which you can bomb.  It seems to me than with both types of ideas that the worst case for the ground attack guys is fewer targets.  Whether this would occur to a noticable degree is TBD. 

MH

[Wiley]

If you are referring to my several contemporary wishes, they are equally honest as to motivation, if you actually read the OPs.  (If on the other hand you assume a paranoid perspective ...)  It's just another way to achieve the same thing (some GV-safe playing areas), and does in fact only affect *part of* the map, leaving current game play modes in place.  In both cases, presumably some people will chose to operate GVs in the GV arena / VBase circles, where they will be difficult to bomb.  To that extent, you will be losing targets, albeit involuntary ones.  On the other hand, there will still be people in the non-GV arenas / outside VBase circles doing their normal GV things, which you can bomb.  It seems to me than with both types of ideas that the worst case for the ground attack guys is fewer targets.  Whether this would occur to a noticable degree is TBD. 

MH

I just don't see a point to any of the other stuff.  All the anti-bombing crowd seems to want is someplace where they don't have to interact with anything else in the game, yet for some reason they want it to be in the middle of the MA.  A separate arena fulfills all of their desires for gameplay and is ridiculously simple to implement.

Wiley.

[TDeacon]

I just don't see a point to any of the other stuff.  All the anti-bombing crowd seems to want is someplace where they don't have to interact with anything else in the game, yet for some reason they want it to be in the middle of the MA.  A separate arena fulfills all of their desires for gameplay and is ridiculously simple to implement.

Wiley.

Concisely put.  The reason for the "in the MA" ideas is that I have this feeling in the back of my mind that the fragmentation of a separate arena might be less desirable (although I'd be willing to try it).  There seems to be a critical player mass issue with these separate arenas which I admit I don't entirely understand.  Perhaps I haven't put enough thought into how the VBase circle ideas would screw up the main arenas.  All I could do is imagine myself flying a fighter (which I do from time to time) or participating in base capture as an individual (also done from time to time), and thinking that it all would still work if my mods were added to the game. 

Remember that my VBase ideas would be ridiculously simple to implement too.  For example "if (in_circle) noGVIcon();".  So I don't think that's an issue.  I admit that there could be unanticipated game play issues.  It's just that the current situation clearly needs to be fixed (if you GV a lot), so that some risk seems acceptable to me. 

MH

[nrshida]

Your point fails to impress...

Not as unimpressive as your inability to distinguish sarcasm.

I was given to understand that HTC included the ground element to promote air combat. So my suggestion is hardly more absurd than the suggestion to give GVs a separate arena. As I merely pointed out, this is already available elsewhere.