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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: wpeters on October 01, 2013, 08:01:47 AM
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I am a teacher and my school board has given me the go ahead to build some computers with my students. Need advise of what parts I should use and also is there a place that explains how to build a computer. :rofl
LtCondor
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You're a teacher? :O
Our poor kids.
Back on topic, check this for basic computer assembly.
http://bit.ly/vaLMTJ (http://bit.ly/vaLMTJ)
As to what parts to use, what are the computers going to be used for?
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I dunno what they will be used for . We are going to sale them. Probably for some family computer
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How is this for a set up. Is there any more coners that can be cut and still have a great machine
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1JDzy
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How is this for a set up. Is there any more coners that can be cut and still have a great machine
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1JDzy
If you are not overclocking, you do not need to replace the stock Intel heatsink/fan unit.
If price is the primary consideration, you can find a mid-tower case for about $20 to $30.
Don't forget the keyboard, mouse, and monitor. ;)
Everything else on your list looks acceptable to me, except Windows 8. <hock-ptooooie!>
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How is this for a set up. Is there any more coners that can be cut and still have a great machine
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1JDzy (http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1JDzy)
As Bino said, the Intel stock cooler is good enough. Also $120 is overkill for a case, even for the bargain price of $80. There are perfectly good cases available for half of that. And you'd do perfectly well with a cheaper cpu speaking about a family computer, especially since you'd not be using the built-in video circuit. Even an i3 would do, but if you feel like four cores would make them easier to sell, even the cheapest i5 is in balance with the video card you've chosen. A side note: "Green" means "slow" when talking about hard drives.
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A side note: "Green" means "slow" when talking about hard drives.
^ this :aok
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don't buy a $20-$30 case...unless you're going to use a micro board, ventilation sucks...even with a micro board, ventilation sucks.
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What case would you recomend
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Get win7 IMO
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something that doesn't suck... :D
looking on newegg list of cases will make your shopping easier...multiple views, inside and out, plus dimensions. you want the power supply mounted on the bottom (search filter option), at least 90mm fans on the front of the case (search filter option), plus however many extra fan mounts you can get.
look at the dimensions, exterior and if possible interior if listed. make sure that if you put a video card in the mobo, it's going to fit back to front without having to cut something out and if there is a fan in the side panel that it won't interfere with the video card.
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How about this.. I dont know what other cpu is good. Suggestions.
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1JGyC
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What about this case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811146061
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what are these for again? if it's just for kids to learn "how to" why not just buy i3's and plan on simply building "basic home user" systems?
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Just a basic office computer for at home :rock
How about this http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1JHme
Here is the case http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811124154
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What about this case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811146061
Looks good and is dirt cheap. Breathing, roomy, expandable.
Wpeters, are you really reading our answers? Quite recently you were asking our opinions for a gaming rig and kept suggesting home/office level computers which all would have needed both GPU and PSU replaced for gaming purposes. Now you start your asking round with an AH capable street credible light gaming rig and say it'd be made as a school project for home use. Come on! We apparently really like helping people, but ignoring our answers is simply rude. Sorry to say that, but that's how I feel.
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Good God, I hope you're not a grammar teacher.
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Wpeters, are you really reading our answers? Quite recently you were asking our opinions for a gaming rig and kept suggesting home/office level computers which all would have needed both GPU and PSU replaced for gaming purposes. Now you start your asking round with an AH capable street credible light gaming rig and say it'd be made as a school project for home use. Come on! We apparently really like helping people, but ignoring our answers is simply rude. Sorry to say that, but that's how I feel.
Sorry Bizman!!!
I am dealing with two different budgets... The last time I was dealing with my budget and was trying to skimp.
The budget that the chairman and Secretary gave me a budget of around $800. Trying to get the most bang for my buck. This system we are going to sell then.. :x Yes I do read your answers :salute
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in that case, definitely drop to an i3 cpu and don't forget the keyboard, mouse and monitor...
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What I3 core would u recommend me to use.. Also how long will I3 core be good for. I want to make this so they last as long as possible.
Here was one that has a cheaper i5 core.. http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1K05J
Also should i use a smaller HDD
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that looks like a decent list...going to be pushing past the $800 mark with a monitor regardless. not sure what you can trim either.
core i3
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116945
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NP, actually I feel a little ashamed of my rant now that I've had some dinner and rest. Nevertheless, your personal project resulted many good advice in the price category you now have. You can either copy the information you need from there, or, since repetition is the mother of all skills, you could double the amount of your project examples by building cheap home computers. I also believe selling $400 computers would be much easier than selling those of $800. Or, you could even build both to show your students the difference of a home/office desktop and a gaming rig since you've got the money for several ones. For the cheap ones, look at the specs in the ads dropping in your mailbox. You can easily build something that at least would look sexier!
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Also how long will I3 core be good for. I want to make this so they last as long as possible.
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Also should i use a smaller HDD
The core type question is irrelevant. Of course, for a long lasting system the fastest possible components would give the best performance in the distant future, but in any case we are talking about some five years. It is statistically highly possible that the hard drive will fail at least once during that time. Probably also the PSU will at least produce less power by then, if not completely fail. The motherboard capacitors will dry. Electronic components aren't made to last forever, at least not those used in regular household items. Besides, in five years there'll be a couple of new Windows releases, making your build outdated. Think ahead for a year or two, we are talking about school projects here instead of long life span corporate computers (long life span=3 years...)
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What would u recommend me to cut out.. I guess my question is what motherboard would u recommend
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Well... If you're going to build cheap basic home/office computers capable to do Word, Excel, Youtube, Flash games... Have you taken full use of the PCpartpicker site?
Here's a list of all LGA1150 ATX and micro-ATX motherboards ordered by price: http://pcpartpicker.com/parts/motherboard/#s=24&sort=a6 (http://pcpartpicker.com/parts/motherboard/#s=24&sort=a6) if you're going the Intel way.
Similarly, here's a list of Intel LGA1150 processors: http://pcpartpicker.com/parts/cpu/#m=21&k=24&sort=a6 (http://pcpartpicker.com/parts/cpu/#m=21&k=24&sort=a6)
And power supplies: http://pcpartpicker.com/parts/power-supply/#sort=a7 (http://pcpartpicker.com/parts/power-supply/#sort=a7). As you've been told, don't buy the cheapest! For this kind of use, a semi-reputable brand will do, though.
For finding out who actually makes the psu: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/power-supply-oem-manufacturer,2913.html (http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/power-supply-oem-manufacturer,2913.html)
Hope this helps
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Just out of curiosity what would become, here's one Intel based: http://pcpartpicker.com/parts/partlist/ (http://pcpartpicker.com/parts/partlist/)
It's not the ultimately cheapest, but at the low end anyway. The PSU is made by HEC, whose older products have seemed not to break other components when failing.
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Just out of curiosity what would become, here's one Intel based: http://pcpartpicker.com/parts/partlist/ (http://pcpartpicker.com/parts/partlist/)
It's not the ultimately cheapest, but at the low end anyway. The PSU is made by HEC, whose older products have seemed not to break other components when failing.
Linky no worky
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Thanks a lot.. By the way how would that one u but up handle AH.. Might try to save a little more
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Linky no worky
Might it be that I didn't use the Permalink: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1Kgrr (http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1Kgrr)
In case that doesn't work either, here's the list:
CPU: Intel Pentium G3430 3.3GHz Dual-Core Processor ($101.98 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ECS B85H3-M(1.0) Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($71.55 @ Newegg)
Memory: Kingston Black Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1333 Memory ($46.99 @ Mac Mall)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 750GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($67.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Thermaltake VL80001W2Z ATX Mid Tower Case ($21.99 @ Microcenter)
Power Supply: Thermaltake TR2 430W ATX12V Power Supply ($27.99 @ Microcenter)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($16.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($85.87 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $441.34
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-10-03 02:55 EDT-0400)
For the record: This wouldn't handle AH well at all, but adding a decent video card like
XFX Radeon HD 6770 1GB Video Card ($89.99 @ Amazon) will make it AH capable for a few years to come. Unless we get a totally new version with much higher requirements, that is.
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Bizman, that mobo won't handle the cpu you picked. it's only for i3/i5/i7 not pentiums or celerons.
one of these will handle the cpu...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007627%20600438202%20600469848&IsNodeId=1&name=Core%20i7%20%2f%20i5%20%2f%20i3%20%2f%20Pentium%20%2f%20Celeron%20%28LGA1150%29&Pagesize=100 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007627%20600438202%20600469848&IsNodeId=1&name=Core%20i7%20%2f%20i5%20%2f%20i3%20%2f%20Pentium%20%2f%20Celeron%20%28LGA1150%29&Pagesize=100)
and if i were making the choice i would go with at least a z87 chipset mobo rather than the b85 chipset. and that ram, eeewww.
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Bizman, that mobo won't handle the cpu you picked.
How come? ECS has the G3430 on their list: http://www.ecs.com.tw/ECSWebSite/Product/Product_Detail.aspx?DetailID=1500&MenuID=172&LanID=0#fragment-CPU (http://www.ecs.com.tw/ECSWebSite/Product/Product_Detail.aspx?DetailID=1500&MenuID=172&LanID=0#fragment-CPU) but if you know better than they do which cpu's can be used with their motherboard, I'd be more than happy to learn the reason why. Honestly.
For the RAM, I simply chose the cheapest and for what I know, Kingston is a well known brand. I agree, for a gaming rig a z87 would've been a better choice, but this built was meant to be a cheap but decent family computer for banking and youtube with some expanding possibilities for photo editing (max 32 gb ram) and light gaming. Since the purpose of this project is to teach kids how to build a computer and then sell the results, IMO the biggest potential clientele would be the parents whose kids force them to buy their precious work. The cheaper the better in this case.
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Thanks a lot guys.. That gives me a lot for a foundation...