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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: earl1937 on October 02, 2013, 07:43:36 AM
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:airplane: Last night, 10-1-13, the 94th Bomb Group flew a re-enactment mission to the Knights strats. NOE, with three different groups, approaching from 3 different directions, not one iota of a dar bar showing anywhere in the 3 different sections we were in. Half way to the target, we are bounced by 2 262's, number's of other fighters and entire force of 33 bombers were shot down and I think about 90% of the fighters, who were low and heavy!
Problem was, we had a couple of people on our VOX channel, who after the mission launched, joined the knights and I guess they were in on the slaughter. I won't mention any names, because I wasn't inside their head and could't see what they were thinking. Maybe it was just bad timing, but to have three different groups in three different sectors, all getting jumped by a number of fighters, when there was no way anyone could know we were coming, because no dar bar was showing, so someone had to be listening to our VOX communication about where we were going.
what makes those kind of people "tick" is beyond me! In my opinion, this is one more reason for channel 200 being shut down. Once we were bounced by the first 262, as if by magic, other fighters swarmed in for the kill of the B-24's which were at 65 feet AGL I don't have a problem with someone discovering a flight of bombers and announcing that on the VOX channel in use at the time, but the ability to tell everyone in Aces High what is happening, anywhere on the map in play is, I don't even know how to express the wrong in that. I personally have never tuned channel 200 since I have been in this game, because the unknown as to what is ahead is one of the excitements of the game.
We did return at high altitude and damaged the strats considerably, and was a fun mission and even with the large dar bars showing our position, hardly any fighters came up to contest the space in the skies with us! But, knowing all those buffs and fighters were NOE, a lot of people were rubbing their hands and saying, "oh boy, fish in a barrel"!
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Sad, is true. 10% or more of the players on line at the time were looking to avoid enemy contact. Better yet, they decided to file a complain when the had some :rofl
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In my opinion, this is one more reason for channel 200 being shut down.
200 has nothing to do with that and shutting down 200 would have not made any difference at all. You could still PM people, you could still switch to the side and thrash the mission (which is a dastardly thing to do in my opinion), or use any type of extra game communications.
And if you would tune to 200 yourself, you would already know that this is NOT the place where missions are "ratted out", as everybody (including the mission guys) would instantly note it.
Not that it would matter at all, but when I switch sides, I magically forget about everything. Locations of CVs, NOE missions on the way, M3s hidden someplace where nobody would expect them, strategy discussions...
I might join a furball in progress from the other side or help defending a base after someone else had rang the alarm bell and there already is some defense... but when in doubt, I simply go elsewhere. In fact, I usually don't engage in combat with the country I just left for at least 30 mins 'cool down time'
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Seems like that stuff happens every day. Just about any "public" mission like that seems to be doomed to failure. It's kind of like that guy who flys 190's, runs when you engage him (either away, or to his base ack), then when you are getting low on fuel he vultch's you on landing. I wish there was a way to fix this, but lamers will be lamers. Fortunately, I don't seem them often.
Try to find a friendly squad and quietly up with them. Sure, there will be a big green blob, but at least the entire country won't hear all the mission advertisements and that lone lamer may miss his/her opportunity to ruin a good thing.
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Not that it would matter at all, but when I switch sides, I magically forget about everything. Locations of CVs, NOE missions on the way, M3s hidden someplace where nobody would expect them, strategy discussions...
I might join a furball in progress from the other side or help defending a base after someone else had rang the alarm bell and there already is some defense... but when in doubt, I simply go elsewhere. In fact, I usually don't engage in combat with the country I just left for at least 30 mins 'cool down time'
That's the way it should be...
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Whether someone switches sides or not, they can still communicate via PM or 3rd party group communication programs to inform others of the mission details. That makes it about impossible to avoid things like this. I suppose squadrons can run impromptu missions without actually uploading one. If advanced planning is desired I suppose one could even e-mail squad members with the details of a few potential missions (since one or more bases within the area of operations may not be available to either operate from or strike) that a would-be player spy wouldn't be privy to. Then when everyone shows up to run said mission the guy running things could say 'Looks like there's still opportunity to run mission 3. Ted can take alpha group to it's objective. Fred can take Bravo and Wanda can take Charlie.'
Then the only thing you need be concerned about is a 'tag-along' that's still bent on reporting via PM or Teamspeak (or another program) the whereabouts and strength of one of the elements.
Pick-up missions, however, are always open to screwage.
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Sad, is true. 10% or more of the players on line at the time were looking to avoid enemy contact. Better yet, they decided to file a complain when the had some :rofl
(http://hotnerdgirl.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/st-kirk-khan.jpg)
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh....the sweet sounds of busted NOE buff mission rage. :devil
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You already figured out how to cut back on the problem. Don't run NOE. NOE like you said is "fish in the barrel". Climb to alt and and the easy kills are gone and you have you mission because the dweebs don't want to have to work for them.
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Spying and espionage were a huge part of WWII. Consider it immersion.
Its lame but when you fly a mission with the intention of being sneaky and using the element of surprise, and you get jumped by guys being sneaky and using the element of surprise....
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(http://blog.themistrading.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/spy-vs-spy.jpg)
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What probably happened is they made a base flash or someone popped up. Unless they were flying over water, with 30 buffs over terrain it easy to figure out what happened.
But spies are easy to blame lol
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Why do people insist on planning missions that will not survive contact with the enemy?
Wiley.
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Sad, is true. 10% or more of the players on line at the time were looking to avoid enemy contact. Better yet, they decided to file a complain when the had some :rofl
Please be coherent. I'd like to understand your post.
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Please be coherent. I'd like to understand your post.
Why can't you understand his post, ammo? Seems rather easy to understand to me.
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I'd like to echo ded's post;
The horde players online are looking to avoid enemy contact, so when they had enemy contact most of us are not surprised they complain.
Bringing it to the BBS will get little sympathy blaming it on 200 even less so, because lemmings find it impossible to fly under 200 feet at the best of times.
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I'm not so sure some of you should jump to conclusions right away. This was a reenactment of the raid on Polesti on the strats. This wasn't your typical 20 Lancaster raid to smash a town. It's nice to occasionally bring a little history to AH.
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FSO, snapshot, scenario. :old:
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Please be coherent. I'd like to understand your post.
Dear Ammo sir,
I apologize for not being clear but I was using my phone. I know I should not have but it was a very funny post and I could not resist. But since you asked nicely, I will take some time to explain.
Player A goes on line to find a multi-player game that he can play. That implies that player A is looking to play against other people. To do that, he decide to pay HT X$ per month. Then, player A logs into the game and plans a mission to avoid contact with the other players (the ones he pays X$ per month to play against). His mission fails because he had contact with other players (the ones he pays X$ per month to play against). So, player A decides to file a complain about having contact with other players (the ones he pays X$ per month to play against).
Player A has the option to do the above off line for free but for some reason he wants to be in a multi-player environment trying to avoid contact with the other players (the ones he pays X$ per month to play against). In addition, player A blames spies for his or his teammates inability to stay bellow the required altitude for playing hide and seek.
Please let me know if that clears up any confusion caused by my incoherent first post and I will be happy to further explain. I will do my best but, keep in mind that maybe you just can't.
Thank you,
Dedalos
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I'm not so sure some of you should jump to conclusions right away. This was a reenactment of the raid on Polesti on the strats. This wasn't your typical 20 Lancaster raid to smash a town. It's nice to occasionally bring a little history to AH.
Well, how many planes did that mission lose after being detected?
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Dedalos,
Thanks for your time clearing that up - obviously; I am not up to speed on translating smartphone posts. No need to further explain.
Ignoring the last line insulting me :aok
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Dedalos,
Thanks for your time clearing that up - obviously; I am not up to speed on translating smartphone posts. No need to further explain.
Ignoring the last line insulting me :aok
Oh right, as if your post was not meant to insult me :rofl
Let me know if this was not coherent enough. I want you to understand me :aok
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Dedalos - How's this for clear - eff off. Coherent!
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FSO, snapshot, scenario. :old:
Predictable. The last snap shot I seen had 17 people in it. I've done FSO, can't remember seeing a Polesti raid in FSO. Scenarios do not fit well with my life schedule. But please continue to offer advice on where I can have fun with historical background involved.
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Well, how many planes did that mission lose after being detected?
And where in any of my post did I mention getting shot down, or dislike of getting shot at?
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And where in any of my post did I mention getting shot down, or dislike of getting shot at?
No where. Did I say that?
I was just making a point that if they were running a real world scenario, they actually achieved it.
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NOE?
You deserved to get all shot down :old:
Up a 17 bombers and have 16 fighter escorts at 27k instead if skulking about under the radars :old:
Complaining because you got owned for trying to be sneaky :rofl
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And where in any of my post did I mention getting shot down, or dislike of getting shot at?
:airplane: These guys in here tickle me! All they want to do is shoot down a/c or blow up tanks! They could care less about historical events which I try to re-enact in the MLW arena, and don't bother about the scenario's, they are OK if that is your bag. Personally, I like to plan the mission, fly the mission and am greatly disappointed if I don't get all my bombers home safe. But I forget sometimes, this is just a game, where you point guns or bombs at something, blow it up or shoot it down, get just as much good feeling as shooting BB guns down at the trash dump, killing rats.
I just try to give the guys a little different taste for the "game" and make it interesting to attend our squad night missions! Sorry if that distrubes some people, who only want to furball or tank battles.
What I do when I run up on a set of enemy bombers, or a enemy CV, I put it out on country in the text buffer, I don't alert everybody in all three countries on 200. I just think that is NOT the way the game should be played!
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The following represents the typical reaction of the "average" AH player upon receiving ch200 NOE Buff raid report.
(http://greeksceptic.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/evil-laugh-picture.jpg)
Come on man....you roll the dice, you takes your chances. Kudos to you for the effort tho'. :D
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The following represents the typical reaction of the "average" AH player upon receiving ch200 NOE Buff raid report.
(http://greeksceptic.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/evil-laugh-picture.jpg)
Come on man....you roll the dice, you takes your chances. Kudos to you for the effort tho'. :D
:aok
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why is it that grown men feel the need to complain about the actions of other people in a video game then when no one appreciates the magnitude of their outrage, they resort to reminding everyone of how childish their actions are in a video game?
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:airplane: Last night, 10-1-13, the 94th Bomb Group flew a re-enactment mission to the Knights strats. NOE, with three different groups, approaching from 3 different directions, not one iota of a dar bar showing anywhere in the 3 different sections we were in. Half way to the target, we are bounced by 2 262's, number's of other fighters and entire force of 33 bombers were shot down and I think about 90% of the fighters, who were low and heavy!
Problem was, we had a couple of people on our VOX channel, who after the mission launched, joined the knights and I guess they were in on the slaughter. I won't mention any names, because I wasn't inside their head and could't see what they were thinking. Maybe it was just bad timing, but to have three different groups in three different sectors, all getting jumped by a number of fighters, when there was no way anyone could know we were coming, because no dar bar was showing, so someone had to be listening to our VOX communication about where we were going.
what makes those kind of people "tick" is beyond me! In my opinion, this is one more reason for channel 200 being shut down. Once we were bounced by the first 262, as if by magic, other fighters swarmed in for the kill of the B-24's which were at 65 feet AGL I don't have a problem with someone discovering a flight of bombers and announcing that on the VOX channel in use at the time, but the ability to tell everyone in Aces High what is happening, anywhere on the map in play is, I don't even know how to express the wrong in that. I personally have never tuned channel 200 since I have been in this game, because the unknown as to what is ahead is one of the excitements of the game.
We did return at high altitude and damaged the strats considerably, and was a fun mission and even with the large dar bars showing our position, hardly any fighters came up to contest the space in the skies with us! But, knowing all those buffs and fighters were NOE, a lot of people were rubbing their hands and saying, "oh boy, fish in a barrel"!
I was on last night when this mission was run against us and it was detected by some of us that then called out the mission on country channel.
I was the first to call out the mission as I noticed a 'dar bar that had been steadily traveling across a couple of sectors. Because of the time the 'dar bar took to move from sector to sector, I figured out it was most likely bombers and the path seemed to be headed to our strats or the base closest to the strats. Watching the 'dar bar travel, the enemy mission had traveled far enough into one sector that some dots would appear on 'dar and then quickly disappear a few seconds later. This is a pretty good indicator that the pilots were trying to stay under 'dar and some weren't doing a very good job of it and I called out a NOE mission. I made the mistake, since the few dots that would appear briefly seemed to be on a path to the base near the strats, called out the NOE mission target as the base. A few minutes later, someone else on the Knight side correctly ID'd the target as the strats and repeatedly called out a NOE raid on the strats, which caused a number of Knights to drop what they were doing and intercept the NOE strat raiders. At no time did anyone that was previously on the Rookie side call out your mission to bust it, it was busted because the pilots in your mission weren't able to stay below 'dar and gave away your location and some of us know how to read the 'dar to identify raids and attacks such as this.
ack-ack
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I was on last night when this mission was run against us and it was detected by some of us that then called out the mission on country channel.
I was the first to call out the mission as I noticed a 'dar bar that had been steadily traveling across a couple of sectors. Because of the time the 'dar bar took to move from sector to sector, I figured out it was most likely bombers and the path seemed to be headed to our strats or the base closest to the strats. Watching the 'dar bar travel, the enemy mission had traveled far enough into one sector that some dots would appear on 'dar and then quickly disappear a few seconds later. This is a pretty good indicator that the pilots were trying to stay under 'dar and some weren't doing a very good job of it and I called out a NOE mission. I made the mistake, since the few dots that would appear briefly seemed to be on a path to the base near the strats, called out the NOE mission target as the base. A few minutes later, someone else on the Knight side correctly ID'd the target as the strats and repeatedly called out a NOE raid on the strats, which caused a number of Knights to drop what they were doing and intercept the NOE strat raiders. At no time did anyone that was previously on the Rookie side call out your mission to bust it, it was busted because the pilots in your mission weren't able to stay below 'dar and gave away your location and some of us know how to read the 'dar to identify raids and attacks such as this.
ack-ack
not for nothing...but................ .............. booooyaaaaa
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But 'spies' are so much easier to blame than applying a little self critique and evaluation of mistakes.....
Sorry...I'm just having a difficult time generating any sympathy for the poor unfortunates who took part...
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:airplane: These guys in here tickle me! All they want to do is shoot down a/c or blow up tanks! They could care less about historical events which I try to re-enact in the MLW arena, and don't bother about the scenario's, they are OK if that is your bag. Personally, I like to plan the mission, fly the mission and am greatly disappointed if I don't get all my bombers home safe. But I forget sometimes, this is just a game, where you point guns or bombs at something, blow it up or shoot it down, get just as much good feeling as shooting BB guns down at the trash dump, killing rats.
I just try to give the guys a little different taste for the "game" and make it interesting to attend our squad night missions! Sorry if that distrubes some people, who only want to furball or tank battles.
What I do when I run up on a set of enemy bombers, or a enemy CV, I put it out on country in the text buffer, I don't alert everybody in all three countries on 200. I just think that is NOT the way the game should be played!
So, I assume that for this historical event you planed, you included the defenders right? Because if you didn't, it was just an NOE mission no matter what you call it.
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when i was playing ridiculous hours each month and numbers were higher finding noes wasn't that hard, still shouldn't be. only takes one person that can't stay low to give it away, or a CV in the area or blind luck of flying over a mission.
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when i was playing ridiculous hours each month and numbers were higher finding noes wasn't that hard, still shouldn't be. only takes one person that can't stay low to give it away, or a CV in the area or blind luck of flying over a mission.
Having been on both sides of this, it is exhilarating either way. NOE to strats.............bad idea.............always!
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Unless it's a bunch of guys who do it often, NOE for more than a sector is just asking for busted props or dar flashes.
What do you have to be under anyway? 50ft?
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Few days ago I was at 80-100 feet and friendlies reported I was not on radar or dar? What gives? I did it for actual testing purposes since no one could agree if the radar alt was 65 or 75 feet?
Edit: On autopilot, for a few minutes.
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I did it for actual testing purposes since no one could agree if the radar alt was 65 or 75 feet?
You don't need to test or 'agree' on arena settings, you can just look them up online. Options/arena settings, (...). Altitudes, alarm trigger ranges (given in feet), object hardness, it's all there.
Radar alt = 65
Sector Coutner Alt = 250
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Noe doesn't work too well with bombers. The dar, dar bar, and alert flashing are too good an aircraft detection system. Any blink dots with a big bar are a dead giveaway. The geography is so tight and the aircraft response time so short that it is a recipe for frustration. It seems to me that the things that matter in this game are playing skill, numbers, tactics, and strategy in that order. It is a disappointment to the unskilled like me that the opportunity to be sneaky, not in order to avoid combat but in order to leverage my meager skills so cartoon death buys SOMETHING, is pretty limited.
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Earl at first you said some side switchers were on your vox and they switched to Knights, and were part of the intercept.
Later you said that they "had to be" listening to your vox: "maybe it was just bad timing, but to have three different groups in three different sectors, all getting jumped by a number of fighters, when there was no way anyone could know we were coming, because no dar bar was showing, so someone had to be listening to our VOX communication about where we were going."
Not trying to be an arsehat to you, but which was it? Were there switchers who intercepted your mission, did some switchers get kills/your group kill them?
I speculate the latter of what you said to be much less probable.
Here's why: I used to do a lot of strat mssns (not as much as Snailman of course) at all types of alt. If you are NOE there are some maps that it is impossible to stay that way all the way to strats. There are occasions where you must traverse between mtns and you can't afford to descend into the valley...and all kinds of other reasons of the like. One thing that anyone watching the map that will get their attn is a darbar that disappears/reappears, even numerous sectors away this is a good tell that something intentionally NOE is headed in.
I'm not saying there aren't DH's in the game, but the fact is there are many occasions where it's easy to think :noid when you are alone. However, when 10 guys do anything together...
A tactic used by many squads to deter any spying is no public announcement of target until mssn is up and then only on range/vox. Also know who is in your mssn, if it's a name you don't recognize then ask them who they are, ask who knows them...
Better luck in the future.
:salute
Edit: To give some benefit of the doubt to everybody: I've been playing for over a year, in that time I've seen a lot of things that I thought were questionable (spying wise.) A lot of times I thought spying was taking place. Sometimes it may have been, and I will contend that there is a very small group who does it. However, over the past year I have only once actually witnessed something that one might call "spying," and that was one player was vectoring his friend to another player's location to kill him over and over - really more of a: "we told you not to get us PO'd..." situation. With that said and by strong encouragement ( :lol) from other players to consider other factors, I will admit, of all the times I thought spying was going on, it probably was only a small fraction of the time.
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Oh some of you in this thread make me giggle.
All and all Earl I had a blast, killed a La and Dora, and enjoyed the company of some real nice people. Even got to hear Semp pat himself on his back for killing my single B24. So it was fun and I do it again!
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:airplane: Last night, 10-1-13, the 94th Bomb Group flew a re-enactment mission to the Knights strats. NOE, with three different groups, approaching from 3 different directions, not one iota of a dar bar showing anywhere in the 3 different sections we were in. Half way to the target, we are bounced by 2 262's, number's of other fighters and entire force of 33 bombers were shot down and I think about 90% of the fighters, who were low and heavy!
Problem was, we had a couple of people on our VOX channel, who after the mission launched, joined the knights and I guess they were in on the slaughter. I won't mention any names, because I wasn't inside their head and could't see what they were thinking. Maybe it was just bad timing, but to have three different groups in three different sectors, all getting jumped by a number of fighters, when there was no way anyone could know we were coming, because no dar bar was showing, so someone had to be listening to our VOX communication about where we were going.
what makes those kind of people "tick" is beyond me! In my opinion, this is one more reason for channel 200 being shut down. Once we were bounced by the first 262, as if by magic, other fighters swarmed in for the kill of the B-24's which were at 65 feet AGL I don't have a problem with someone discovering a flight of bombers and announcing that on the VOX channel in use at the time, but the ability to tell everyone in Aces High what is happening, anywhere on the map in play is, I don't even know how to express the wrong in that. I personally have never tuned channel 200 since I have been in this game, because the unknown as to what is ahead is one of the excitements of the game.
We did return at high altitude and damaged the strats considerably, and was a fun mission and even with the large dar bars showing our position, hardly any fighters came up to contest the space in the skies with us! But, knowing all those buffs and fighters were NOE, a lot of people were rubbing their hands and saying, "oh boy, fish in a barrel"!
dude I call the full noe fromm all three sides a bunch of bs. we saw you on dar from the time you entered giving us direction and heading. at least 4 sets of buffs were on dar. the fact that there was no darbar gave it away as an noe. ask any of my squadies plus the other pilots that were there how you were showing on dar.
we saw all 3 sides as soon as you entered dar ring. that's how you got killed. learn to stay below dar.
semp
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Well, Like I told EZRhino over a year ago--there are people (one squad in perticular) who thrive on either second and third accounts, or--far more often--who play on their squaddies account when they are not on--by design--and find NOE missions, high alt missions, gv missions--etc. and go in to rack up their score with easy kills. They communicate of Ventrillo and Skype so their communications cannot be traced in the game. They have been doing this for YEARS now. All they have to do is have a second computer on a 2 weeker account, paid additional account or a squaddie's account monitoring the other country's green text and missions and they can rack up all the kills they want.
Old & busted: Jumping sides or sending n00bs over to the other sides to spy
NEW Method: Second accounts or playing on another squaddie's account when they are away
Against HiTech's rules? At least overtly, yes. Happen every day anyway? Absolutely.
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:airplane: Last night, 10-1-13, the 94th Bomb Group flew a re-enactment mission to the Knights strats. NOE, with three different groups, approaching from 3 different directions, not one iota of a dar bar showing anywhere in the 3 different sections we were in. Half way to the target, we are bounced by 2 262's, number's of other fighters and entire force of 33 bombers were shot down and I think about 90% of the fighters, who were low and heavy!
Problem was, we had a couple of people on our VOX channel, who after the mission launched, joined the knights and I guess they were in on the slaughter. I won't mention any names, because I wasn't inside their head and could't see what they were thinking. Maybe it was just bad timing, but to have three different groups in three different sectors, all getting jumped by a number of fighters, when there was no way anyone could know we were coming, because no dar bar was showing, so someone had to be listening to our VOX communication about where we were going.
what makes those kind of people "tick" is beyond me! In my opinion, this is one more reason for channel 200 being shut down. Once we were bounced by the first 262, as if by magic, other fighters swarmed in for the kill of the B-24's which were at 65 feet AGL I don't have a problem with someone discovering a flight of bombers and announcing that on the VOX channel in use at the time, but the ability to tell everyone in Aces High what is happening, anywhere on the map in play is, I don't even know how to express the wrong in that. I personally have never tuned channel 200 since I have been in this game, because the unknown as to what is ahead is one of the excitements of the game.
We did return at high altitude and damaged the strats considerably, and was a fun mission and even with the large dar bars showing our position, hardly any fighters came up to contest the space in the skies with us! But, knowing all those buffs and fighters were NOE, a lot of people were rubbing their hands and saying, "oh boy, fish in a barrel"!
thanks for posting :aok this has made my morning
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One night we decided to try and get back a couple cvs that had gone missing as we now owned the ports. 6 of us flew all over the map and finally found them basically in the two most likely hiding spots which were the two farthest points you could put them from our bases. When we went in and sunk the first one we were accused of shading. When we arrived at the second we couldn't find it. It had been sailed off the map and they were waiting for us. Not sure which map, but none of us knew there was a little strip where no damage occurs off the edge. We saw one of our attackers fly out of a green wall so we flew in there and found the cv. Put ords on it with no effect and I think we all eventually died on the "normal" side of the wall. Ironic that the guys defending it were the same ones accusing us of shady tactics :D
I think most NOE missions that are found are by chance or someone popping dar or flashing bases. If I see a split second dar bar or a base flashing that looks out of place I often up take a look. Usually its nothing important but once in a while you save a base just in the nick of time or find a mission.
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Oh some of you in this thread make me giggle.
All and all Earl I had a blast, killed a La and Dora, and enjoyed the company of some real nice people. Even got to hear Semp pat himself on his back for killing my single B24. So it was fun and I do it again!
:aok this is what is most important. :salute
Fixed: Wrong quote.
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But 'spies' are so much easier to blame than applying a little self critique and evaluation of mistakes.....
Its easier to place the blame on Spies, its been a common theme to place the blame the evaluate mistakes of the mission.
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Oh some of you in this thread make me giggle.
All and all Earl I had a blast, killed a La and Dora, and enjoyed the company of some real nice people. Even got to hear Semp pat himself on his back for killing my single B24. So it was fun and I do it again!
thats great. As long as you are having fun keep doing it. Just dont blame the spyz. Well, you didn't. It is detected to the op.
For ammo:
Spyz = spies
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You already figured out how to cut back on the problem. Don't run NOE. NOE like you said is "fish in the barrel". Climb to alt and and the easy kills are gone and you have you mission because the dweebs don't want to have to work for them.
NOE is History correct as bomber and attack missions were indeed ran NOE. And its fun bringing heavy bombers in on the deck in a coordinated attack.
Its a sad day indeed when players should be expected to change the style of their play due to cheaters. I think they should be out'ed. I pretty much stopped participating in NOE missions cause of this, the mystery Typhie always appearing right on schedule.
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Dedalos correct me if I am wrong is English your second language ?
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I believe he's a Turk immigrant.
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I believe he's a Turk immigrant.
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Its a sad day indeed when players should be expected to change the style of their play due to cheaters. I think they should be out'ed. I pretty much stopped participating in NOE missions cause of this, the mystery Typhie always appearing right on schedule.
The OP's mission wasn't busted because of cheaters. It was busted because some alert Knights were able to detect the raid and called it out on country channel as I already explained in my previous post.
ack-ack
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Dedalos correct me if I am wrong is English your second language ?
You'd speak funny too if you were locked up in a tower for years and the only way to escape was to make wings out of wax and feathers.
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Dedalos correct me if I am wrong is English your second language ?
yeah, although it feels like I only have second languages lol
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You'd speak funny too if you were locked up in a tower for years and the only way to escape was to make wings out of wax and feathers.
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oh crap. Dont bring back those memories please :cry
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I was in this mission in one of the NOE B-24's. And yes, there was a player several of us recognized on ET's mission vox who was also one of the first players to attack us 15 or 20 minutes later.
But apparently Ack-Ack and others also found us legitimately, so either way the mission was found out. I lost all 3 of my B-24's but got 4 kills in the process, so had a good time regardless :)
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:airplane: These guys in here tickle me! All they want to do is shoot down a/c or blow up tanks! They could care less about historical events which I try to re-enact in the MLW arena, and don't bother about the scenario's, they are OK if that is your bag. Personally, I like to plan the mission, fly the mission and am greatly disappointed if I don't get all my bombers home safe. But I forget sometimes, this is just a game, where you point guns or bombs at something, blow it up or shoot it down, get just as much good feeling as shooting BB guns down at the trash dump, killing rats.
I just try to give the guys a little different taste for the "game" and make it interesting to attend our squad night missions! Sorry if that distrubes some people, who only want to furball or tank battles.
What I do when I run up on a set of enemy bombers, or a enemy CV, I put it out on country in the text buffer, I don't alert everybody in all three countries on 200. I just think that is NOT the way the game should be played!
Your thread title sums up exactly how your thread made me feel once reading it. I am really glad your mission was foiled, wish I had been online to help.
Sorry General Aces Imperial High Air Marshall earl that some people who joined the game to shoot down red guys disturbs some people who just want to drop bombs to disturb the other guy from being able to play the way he wants and does not want to take the risk of being shot down themselves.
You have been told over and over there are arenas and special events that are designed exactly for the things you like. Stop crying that the MA doesn't know how they are supposed to play. In fact, every time you are given the solutions to your complaints you simply refuse to acknowledge them as viable and resort to how amused you are that people have dissenting opinions because of your sagacity or what ever. We thank you your service and experience, (you are not the only one though), but I, for one, have had about enough of it as it applies to the game. This is not real, nor is it supposed to be real "like". I know you have not been flying for long, but continue over posting with these same game play isn't right posts and you will begin alienating more and more people. The MA is a free for all, not the AvA or FSO or anything else.
Dude, it's great you like to play the way "you" like to play in the MA. I just wish you would stop coming in here the day after complaining that everyone else took your fun away by playing differently. You want to change the rules of the game so that your style of play lives and change the planes to ones you think are better. How about a happy medium, you play your style within the current game limitations and let others play their way within the current game limitations, salute each other when one of you shoots the other down and re-up without the BBS drama. Every other day is a complaint, whine or new wish for the game to be changed to make everyone play your way. There are a few hundred varying opinions on what is fun in the game, at least be open to the fact that not everyone has to enjoy the game exactly the same as yourself. Frankly, most of the last changes that have been made have made the game less and less fun for me personally, but you bomber drivers have seemed to enjoy it. I guess it won't be enough until you guys can land every sortie unchallenged, or is it that you just want everyone of your "historic" missions to succeed?
Okay, I've annoyed you enough and you me. The ignore list fills up quick. Try to have more fun in the game, it will offset the lack of fun I have been getting out of it and the universe will remain in balance. :D
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I was on last night when this mission was run against us and it was detected by some of us that then called out the mission on country channel.
I was the first to call out the mission as I noticed a 'dar bar that had been steadily traveling across a couple of sectors. Because of the time the 'dar bar took to move from sector to sector, I figured out it was most likely bombers and the path seemed to be headed to our strats or the base closest to the strats. Watching the 'dar bar travel, the enemy mission had traveled far enough into one sector that some dots would appear on 'dar and then quickly disappear a few seconds later. This is a pretty good indicator that the pilots were trying to stay under 'dar and some weren't doing a very good job of it and I called out a NOE mission. I made the mistake, since the few dots that would appear briefly seemed to be on a path to the base near the strats, called out the NOE mission target as the base. A few minutes later, someone else on the Knight side correctly ID'd the target as the strats and repeatedly called out a NOE raid on the strats, which caused a number of Knights to drop what they were doing and intercept the NOE strat raiders. At no time did anyone that was previously on the Rookie side call out your mission to bust it, it was busted because the pilots in your mission weren't able to stay below 'dar and gave away your location and some of us know how to read the 'dar to identify raids and attacks such as this.
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:airplane: We were NOT showing any dar and we had a/c in 3 different sectors, so sorry, don't know what you looking at, but it was not our dar, because we never did produce, even under attack!
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Earl at first you said some side switchers were on your vox and they switched to Knights, and were part of the intercept.
Later you said that they "had to be" listening to your vox: "maybe it was just bad timing, but to have three different groups in three different sectors, all getting jumped by a number of fighters, when there was no way anyone could know we were coming, because no dar bar was showing, so someone had to be listening to our VOX communication about where we were going."
Not trying to be an arsehat to you, but which was it? Were there switchers who intercepted your mission, did some switchers get kills/your group kill them?
I speculate the latter of what you said to be much less probable.
Here's why: I used to do a lot of strat mssns (not as much as Snailman of course) at all types of alt. If you are NOE there are some maps that it is impossible to stay that way all the way to strats. There are occasions where you must traverse between mtns and you can't afford to descend into the valley...and all kinds of other reasons of the like. One thing that anyone watching the map that will get their attn is a darbar that disappears/reappears, even numerous sectors away this is a good tell that something intentionally NOE is headed in.
I'm not saying there aren't DH's in the game, but the fact is there are many occasions where it's easy to think :noid when you are alone. However, when 10 guys do anything together...
A tactic used by many squads to deter any spying is no public announcement of target until mssn is up and then only on range/vox. Also know who is in your mssn, if it's a name you don't recognize then ask them who they are, ask who knows them...
Better luck in the future.
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Edit: To give some benefit of the doubt to everybody: I've been playing for over a year, in that time I've seen a lot of things that I thought were questionable (spying wise.) A lot of times I thought spying was taking place. Sometimes it may have been, and I will contend that there is a very small group who does it. However, over the past year I have only once actually witnessed something that one might call "spying," and that was one player was vectoring his friend to another player's location to kill him over and over - really more of a: "we told you not to get us PO'd..." situation. With that said and by strong encouragement ( :lol) from other players to consider other factors, I will admit, of all the times I thought spying was going on, it probably was only a small fraction of the time.
:airplane: Not sure how or who did the "ratting", but after the 2 people on our vox left, all of sudden, some of my guys heard it being discussed on 200!
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dude I call the full noe fromm all three sides a bunch of bs. we saw you on dar from the time you entered giving us direction and heading. at least 4 sets of buffs were on dar. the fact that there was no darbar gave it away as an noe. ask any of my squadies plus the other pilots that were there how you were showing on dar.
we saw all 3 sides as soon as you entered dar ring. that's how you got killed. learn to stay below dar.
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:airplane: Don't know what you were looking at, we didn't enter any radar rings until after we were first hit with the deuce's!
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:airplane: We were NOT showing any dar and we had a/c in 3 different sectors, so sorry, don't know what you looking at, but it was not our dar, because we never did produce, even under attack!
Yes you did. At least one flight had a 'dar bar showing and the occasional dot appear as they went above NOE alt. I'll state it again, your mission was not busted because of spies, it was detected because a 'dar bar was showing and it was easy to figure out (like I had already described) to figure out it was a NOE raid and after a correction, the correct target was identified and called out for the defenders.
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:airplane: Don't know what you were looking at, we didn't enter any radar rings until after we were first hit with the deuce's!
You can't see CV's dar rings, and on this map there are plenty of them around. Inf act, on Ozkansas it's very difficult to go NOE to strats and NOT triggering any CV dar on the way...
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Yes you did. At least one flight had a 'dar bar showing and the occasional dot appear as they went above NOE alt. I'll state it again, your mission was not busted because of spies, it was detected because a 'dar bar was showing and it was easy to figure out (like I had already described) to figure out it was a NOE raid and after a correction, the correct target was identified and called out for the defenders.
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:bhead Bulls***!
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I hate to say it but the b24's cracked 66[think it was 66] dar ring, lots of little red dots show up nicely, the heavy fighters showed up in the base to the north's dar ring. I thought it was a cv sneak of 66 until it went out that it was noe buffs....yummy good time was had by all that lifted to intercept. You say you were at 65 feet, from what I was told dont know if it true or not but you have to be under 50 feet not to show up in the dar ring.
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just checked the map base 68 the b24's showed in dar ring and 52 for the heavy fighters, I never did see the 3 group on a dar ring, I can only assume they got intercepted at the strats.
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I believe he's a Turk immigrant.
That could get you gutted in the street in Athens. Greeks have looooooooooonnnnnnnnggggg memories.
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, from what I was told dont know if it true or not but you have to be under 50 feet not to show up in the dar ring.
That's not true.
See my earlier post about dar altitudes and how to look them up for yourself easily while in game.
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:bhead :bhead Bulls***!
Then keep your head stuck in the sand if you don't want to hear the truth. I guess as some pointed out, it is far easier to blame spies for your mission's failure than to admit it was busted because some couldn't stay below 'dar.
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:bhead :bhead Bulls***!
Not productive, Earl. Ack-Ack is an experienced player and can offer decent game insight.
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You can't see CV's dar rings, and on this map there are plenty of them around. Inf act, on Ozkansas it's very difficult to go NOE to strats and NOT triggering any CV dar on the way...
To me, this one seems the most logical, in fact I've been on the other end of this. Large mass of dots move through near cv, yet no dar. Either way.
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People have done same thing forever.
Complained about same thing forever.
Just another aspect of the game.
Possibility of side switchers only to intercept a Mission?
Yeah lame but possible.
More likely Mission was discovered.
:cheers: Oz
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:airplane: Don't know what you were looking at, we didn't enter any radar rings until after we were first hit with the deuce's!
lol you were in the dar ring. that's how we saw you. I had just logged in and one of my squadies told me about the noe. you were in the dar ring for about 5 minutes showing before any of us hit you. heck I bailed out of 2 airplanes because I kept picking the wrong one before you even left the dar ring.
ask your squadies who killed them and then ask around, we all saw you on dar, just like akak said. the other two attacks didnt show up until after we had engaged the bombers. and that's because they were on dar. one more thing you missed is that the fighters had a big mountain in front of them that's when they showed up on dar as they were climbing. by the time I had finished attacking the bombers and landed my la7. I had time to up a pony and your fighters were around 6k diving on our friendlies. we killed them all including some that had returned to help.
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Oh some of you in this thread make me giggle.
All and all Earl I had a blast, killed a La and Dora, and enjoyed the company of some real nice people. Even got to hear Semp pat himself on his back for killing my single B24. So it was fun and I do it again!
oh your highness, you forgot to point out that you were on 200 sometime after the mission boasting "we need more bishops on whatever base". so I reminded you that you had just had your :ahand.
but out of curiosity you never replied, why would you take a single b24 to a strat raid?
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Well Semp, perhaps you missed what was said on 200 before you piped up. BushLT said GV Mission to 144, spawned in and waited with Dr7, and a couple other and no one showed. Guess you missed that part, so of course you couldn't pick up the sarcasm in my statement of "Need more bish to 144". But instead of asking or scrolling up you proceeded to gloat.
The reason I had 1 B24 is it was damage and taken out by LA7, 190 and a 262 prior to you showing up in you LA7. So your right I got my tail handled to me by 4 different players. I'll cancel my account.
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Then keep your head stuck in the sand if you don't want to hear the truth. I guess as some pointed out, it is far easier to blame spies for your mission's failure than to admit it was busted because some couldn't stay below 'dar.
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Conspiracies are always easier to organise than making actual mistakes. :noid
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Well Semp, perhaps you missed what was said on 200 before you piped up. BushLT said GV Mission to 144, spawned in and waited with Dr7, and a couple other and no one showed. Guess you missed that part, so of course you couldn't pick up the sarcasm in my statement of "Need more bish to 144". But instead of asking or scrolling up you proceeded to gloat.
The reason I had 1 B24 is it was damage and taken out by LA7, 190 and a 262 prior to you showing up in you LA7. So your right I got my tail handled to me by 4 different players. I'll cancel my account.
no, I didnt pick up the sarcasm because you didnt use the sarcasm font. then again you didnt notice my sarcasm either did ya? :salute
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At this point, after reading many of his threads I can tell that Earl is always right and anything anyone else says to contradict him is incorrect :rolleyes:
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It's funny how these NOE missions are always busted by spies despite the fact it's difficult for a good player to stay under 65' over terrain and now you're expecting a rat pack of average pick-up mission players to do it.
Nah... couldn't be the skill level of the mission players... has to be spies. :rolleyes:
BTW Earl, how do you know no one broke dar? Darbar, which you could see unless it was only you breaking it, wouldn't break unless someone was over 200' but dot dar (which only the opposition could see) would break if you're in an enemy radar ring over 65'. The only way you could know no one broke dot dar is if you had spies of your own. If that's what you're unwittingly admitting to due to your adamance about not breaking it then it seems this is a pretty hipocritical post.
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There was no dar bar what so ever in the sector the noe buff's were flying in. However, there were many pretty little red dots showing up in the dar ring they were flying through. :O But what's better than busting an noe buff raid to the strats??? Reading the country text buffer when someone types "out noe raid to such and such a base". Then launching an noe intercept raid to kill the incoming noe raid!!! We did well at not raising a dar bar as well. :devil :devil :devil :devil :devil :rofl :rofl :rofl :neener: and having a :cheers: back at the O club while they blame spies for revealing their location and target. Yes, this noe raid was busted as they were just leaving their own dar ring by an enemy that was skirting said dar ring trying to get home after a raid and put it out on country..
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Nap of the Earth buffs. Yummy. Send more, the first batch was delicious. :cheers:
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As much as I love busting up NOE's, they are going to say your crazy and do nothing about what you are probably write about. That is why some folks bail, plain and simple.
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Predictable. The last snap shot I seen had 17 people in it. I've done FSO, can't remember seeing a Polesti raid in FSO. Scenarios do not fit well with my life schedule. But please continue to offer advice on where I can have fun with historical background involved.
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Unless it's a bunch of guys who do it often, NOE for more than a sector is just asking for busted props or dar flashes.
What do you have to be under anyway? 50ft?
Queue well know "Downfall' parody
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Just curious, do I really have to go to another arena to partake in a mission that has historical value? Not to mention in the AVA I'd be the only group of 24s.
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Just curious, do I really have to go to another arena to partake in a mission that has historical value? Not to mention in the AVA I'd be the only group of 24s.
Nope you can be historical all you want in the MA, that doesn't mean everyone else will be
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Guys, with what alls been said, I don't know if what I'm going to say will change minds or not about what happened to this NOE mission and it's outcome but I'll say this and let anyone comment as they see fit. I logged into AH about an hour before the mission, ( a reenactment of the Polesti raid) and there was a person talking with a Devil Dog member on vox 171. Now I know who this person was and what squad he belongs to, but I won't mention his name. The conversation was about nothing much at all, until the subject of the squad night mission that night. The non Devil Dog, after hearing that there was going to be a big mission that night stated " cool, I might just switch back to Knights and intercept it". Now I don't know if this person actually participated in the "ambush", but he might have alerted his friends. I can't say with absolute certainty that this person had anything to do with it, but this is what he said. I know this because I heard it, I was there.
So with this being said, you guys make the call, coincidence or not.
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:airplane: Last night, 10-1-13, the 94th Bomb Group flew a re-enactment mission to the Knights strats. NOE, with three different groups, approaching from 3 different directions, not one iota of a dar bar showing anywhere in the 3 different sections we were in. Half way to the target, we are bounced by 2 262's, number's of other fighters and entire force of 33 bombers were shot down and I think about 90% of the fighters, who were low and heavy!
Problem was, we had a couple of people on our VOX channel, who after the mission launched, joined the knights and I guess they were in on the slaughter. I won't mention any names, because I wasn't inside their head and could't see what they were thinking. Maybe it was just bad timing, but to have three different groups in three different sectors, all getting jumped by a number of fighters, when there was no way anyone could know we were coming, because no dar bar was showing, so someone had to be listening to our VOX communication about where we were going.
what makes those kind of people "tick" is beyond me! In my opinion, this is one more reason for channel 200 being shut down. Once we were bounced by the first 262, as if by magic, other fighters swarmed in for the kill of the B-24's which were at 65 feet AGL I don't have a problem with someone discovering a flight of bombers and announcing that on the VOX channel in use at the time, but the ability to tell everyone in Aces High what is happening, anywhere on the map in play is, I don't even know how to express the wrong in that. I personally have never tuned channel 200 since I have been in this game, because the unknown as to what is ahead is one of the excitements of the game.
We did return at high altitude and damaged the strats considerably, and was a fun mission and even with the large dar bars showing our position, hardly any fighters came up to contest the space in the skies with us! But, knowing all those buffs and fighters were NOE, a lot of people were rubbing their hands and saying, "oh boy, fish in a barrel"!
Some advice: Don't go to Vegas and expect to come out a rich man.
NOE attacks are simply just a gamble. Although you may have the element of surprise, you are compromising the fact that it is much harder to defend yourself. IMO, NOE attacks are only successful simply because the other side is mainly focused in a certain area and no one bothers to defend the area being attacked.
Also keep in mind how easy it is to spot or even predict a NOE will take place. Certain squads, mission leaders when spotted on the active roster is often an indication. When a "hot zone" of enemy activity suddenly becomes silent, is often some indication that somewhere on the map will get the 500 NOE P38s. Other times when a mission takes off from a base that is not off the water or is in rough terrain, Dar Bars rise and then vanish is another tell tale sign.
CV Dar rings are the biggest culprit. Keep in mind also that if you do not show dar bar, you can still be spotted on dar ring if not below 65ft which even for the seasoned buff driver, is very difficult.
Also keep in mind that players ARE watching maps. Of the 2 or 3 NOE missions I have busted from scouting, I have had about 20 false alarms. Bottom line is here that you cannot have your cake and eat it too. Although your intentions of historical accuracy and break of the norm cookie cutter mission is admired, I could of told you running NOE buffs to strats are doomed to begin with. The MA is just not set up for those dynamics. Even if no fighters were there to engage, I am sure a great portion of the mission would of been doomed to puffy and AAA.
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Nope you can be historical all you want in the MA, that doesn't mean everyone else will be
I'm thinking and I could be wrong, but you haven't read through my post on this topic. So I while appreciate your input, at no time did I say I expect a certain player(s) to follow my guidelines on the playing of AH.
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congrats earl on your first whine. :)
you will encounter many more chances for extreme aggrivation when playing but thats part of the fun. (or so they say)
the trick is to change your strategy to find the most satisfaction and least aggrivation by altering your tactics.
if you find what you have done gives you unsatisfactory results a change in tactics is advised.
sometimes succesfull tactics to defeat conditions faced are elusive.
when this happens several whine options are available...
1. ch200 whine: profanity is prefered. a really good whine on ch200 should result in being muted.
2. bbs whine: advantage of bbs whine is length of whine is unlimited. thread being locked is a sign of very good bbs whine.
3. squad vox whine: generally the best choice as the most stress relieving as a truly classic rant on squad vox is amusing to everyone on channel and you get to really let the curse words fly. sometimes squaddies will record a really good vox whine for all to enjoy.
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Earl, if Ack-Ack says you showed up in a dar ring, you showed up in a dar ring, simple as that.
Especially on the Isles map, where it's easy-peasy to park a cv off the strats, NOE raids to strats just ain't a good idea. Strats are one of the few targets people will scramble to defend, NOE raids are often the only raids people are willing to scramble to intercept ('coz it's so quick and easy) and NOE raids on dar are well, just an open invitation.
The same claims of "mmmzomg Spiez!" were leveled at the Rooks when I was on a couple of days ago. NOE raid to 38 showed up in the dar ring, one Rook said "NOE raid 38" on country, lo and behold there they were, every Rook not currently doing something came up to whack it. No spiez required.
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Radar alt = 65
Sector Coutner Alt = 250
Just to be sure. Are these altitudes above ground or game sea level?
I can't imagine the NOE showing up on the dar bar if it is 250 above sea level. Radar yes. On the NOEs I have been on, someone is always slipping above 65 feet even 100 feet during a turn or the like but I have never seen anyone going much above a 100 feet and no where near the 250 feet dar bar trigger.
I wasn't in on this mission so I can't be judgmental. I am just trying to understand how they showed up on the dar bar.
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Just to be sure. Are these altitudes above ground or game sea level?
Ground
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I am just trying to understand how they showed up on the dar bar.
They likely didn't. They probably broke dot dar by flying over 65' in a dar ring and none of them would have known they did it.
Fester, you forgot two of my favorites:
The country channel whine. This one broadcasts to the largest audience of potential supporters but may be lost among the multitude of other misguided spy and cheater accusations.
The range channel vox whine. This is truely my favorite and can be combined with the "you didn't give me a check six" whine for added impact.
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dot dar (which only the opposition could see) would break if you're in an enemy radar ring over 65'.
I suspect this has much to do with the controversy.
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Ive flown on a couple of ETs missions where an obvious cheat busted it up in his Typhie, 300' alt outside his radar circle, no base flashing, while we were NOE over water at an angle to a totally silent enemy base or Industrial where even the meth heads dont fly. We showed no Dar "I was watching", flying over water using only the rudder keys. There was no question about it and the player involved had done it before. The last time it happened I got so disgusted I vowed to never fly such a mission again.
Nobody ever got on 200 about it. Ive never seen anyone from that squad get on 200 about anything actually. Not that I read it that much. The problem with these threads is everyone gets huffy thinking they are being accused cause they have legitimatly busted NOE missions before. Most, that get busted, get busted on the square. But a few are so obvious Ray Charles would be able to see it.
I mean what are the odds a guy on the channel would just happen to change sides and just happen be out in the middle of nowhere in a Typhie with no dar or base alert ever showing? :lol
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On more than one occasion our squad has argued over a dar bar that shows up on one member's computer but does not show up on all squad mates computers.
It might be good idea to discuss what turns a dar bar on so we are all on the same page. Understanding the dar bar is very important on NOEs.
Lusche gave one fact that you have to be above 250 feet above ground. That would mean a sudden 200 foot drop in terrain below you if you are at 50 feet before the drop in terrain could set it off. Over water not much of a problem butt over land that could easily happen if only for a brief moment at 250 MPH and faster.
I do think some gamers in AH would change sides to spoil a NOE for the fun of it but it is hard to know how many OE failures are gamers and how many failed NOEs are lack of FULL understanding of dar bars.
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On more than one occasion our squad has argued over a dar bar that shows up on one member's computer but does not show up on all squad mates computers.
The way it was explained to me, and might be out-of-date now, is you will only see a friendly dar bar if at least two friendly planes are above the arena settings sector counter alt; a single friendly won't let you see the friendly bar. However, an enemy dar bar only takes a single plane to show it.
As far as updating on the map, I think it also depends on when someone joins the arena and where in the radar update cycle they are.
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The way it was explained to me, and might be out-of-date now, is you will only see a friendly dar bar if at least two friendly planes are above the arena settings sector counter alt; a single friendly won't let you see the friendly bar. However, an enemy dar bar only takes a single plane to show it.
No quite. What really happens is that you just can't see your own contribution to the darbar. So if you are the only one in a sector above darbar alt, you won't see one unless a second friendly player is above darbar alt in that sector as well. But if he is alone and above darbar alt in that sector, you will still see the darbar caused by him.
But in this specific case the darbar wasn't the issue. As per AKAK they showed up on DOT dar.
And while it's quite easy to stay below 250' darbar alt over the sea, it's quite difficult to do so in a bomber. Seasoned vets flying alone will pull it off, but in a huge mission with lots of players of mixed quality, you can almost guarantee several of them will break the 65' dot dar intermittently.
65' is really low, and there are lots of detractions when flying in a mission as well...
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Just the technicalities of how the game operates is a learning curve. Earl is eager
and works harder than most to make a difference. Once he completely understands
the ramifications of his experiences he will likely be less frustrated and hopefully just
as willing to participate on the forums.
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Another note about the dar rings that I factor in when leading buffs in say FSO. You have to factor in that if you're trying to skirt the ring around a base, that if that base has a town (airfields all have towns) and it's on the side you're trying to skirt it'll extend the base warning coverage a like distance. The town warning is the same as the tower warning usually so if you don't give the ring shown on the map a wider berth on the side the town is on you'll flash only the town but not the base. Any other strat you may have passed also has a prox warning that's the same distance although there's no visible ring rerpresented on the map. Gotta factor that in. I've seen this get messed up more than a few times.
Wasn't there so I don't know what happened. Can't tell ya that spies don't happen because we all know they do. But also having done this long enough I know trying to keep large missions like this on the same page is like herding cats! I'd likely guess somebody screwed it up and either got too high or tripped something somewhere. I'd say if AKAK said ya did, ya likely did.
I'd also guess that most guys flying from place to place will tend to have the clipboard up as I do and---duh--they're looking at it. That's a lot of eyes on the map at any given time. You'd only have to break dar, whether it be dot or bar, for a few seconds and only have one guy on the other side see it and poof--there goes your element of surprise.
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Where was Fester on said NOE? :old:
Was it you who foiled this dastardly raid? :old:
We need a explanation of your actions in this sorry state of affair :old:
Is "Ramifications" nearly a rude word?
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Is "Ramifications" nearly a rude word?
'Nearly' as 'consequences' would be. :cool:
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This thread was going to deliver. It has failed. It's a sorority house slumber party pillow fight...but it made 7 pages because there is no other troll thread available to participate in.
Earl? Why? Why Earl?
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I was online when this happened as well... There was a call out over county channel for an NOE raid on a BASE near our strats... When I looked at the map, I noticed a swarm of red dots on the radar near our base... I upped from that base only to realize that the group of red dots FULLY VISABLE on Knights map weren't heading to that base, but actually heading towards strats.
It was around the time we started to intercept the huge NOE B-24 raid, that we also noiticed dots to the north heading for strats... Yes you were NOE to the strats, but as stated previously, there was dar bar, and even worse contacts on radar!!!
If there was spies at play, they didn't let the rest of us knights know! I think it was a case of flying through radar ring..... Great try though, wish I was on a team that got together like that!...
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So, it sounds like it really was them spyering guyz again.
Sorry Ammo. It was the best I could do man.
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So, it sounds like it really was them spyering guyz again.
Sorry Ammo. It was the best I could do man.
<S> Bro - no worries
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All I can say is that if one switched countries for spying, the greedy d-bag didn't let the rest of us know about the raids... It was only when I saw the red dots on radar ring and frantic calls on country for a raid taking our BASE, that I upped to intercept..
If it was a spy thing, he/she is a BAD spy... Perhaps the side switcher was one of the 262's that was seen by the attackers... But that jerk didn't tell me about the huge raid...
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<S> Bro - no worries
Lol <S> man. At list you can take a joke :aok
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I was online when this happened as well... There was a call out over county channel for an NOE raid on a BASE near our strats... When I looked at the map, I noticed a swarm of red dots on the radar near our base... I upped from that base only to realize that the group of red dots FULLY VISABLE on Knights map weren't heading to that base, but actually heading towards strats.
It was around the time we started to intercept the huge NOE B-24 raid, that we also noiticed dots to the north heading for strats... Yes you were NOE to the strats, but as stated previously, there was dar bar, and even worse contacts on radar!!!
If there was spies at play, they didn't let the rest of us knights know! I think it was a case of flying through radar ring..... Great try though, wish I was on a team that got together like that!...
This is obviously a cover story perpitrated by one of the SPIEZ!!!
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Only allow 1 side switch per TOD.
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Only allow 1 side switch per TOD.
This thread would have happened exactly the same way nevertheless
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This is obviously a cover story perpitrated by one of the SPIEZ!!!
BWWWWWWWHAAAAAT?! :O I resemble that remark.... :neener: Why didn't i get more kills then? :cheers:
Next time don't take your horde through a radar ring at over 65ft...... Little hint... We can see you.
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Only allow 1 side switch per TOD.
ya.....NO
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I believe THIS will make everything quite clear :devil
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KE17BAfekuQ
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I believe THIS will make everything quite clear :devil
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KE17BAfekuQ
:rofl :rofl :rofl
awesome :aok
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I believe THIS will make everything quite clear :devil
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KE17BAfekuQ
Brilliant!
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Should be able to switch sides whenever .... at a perk cost, say 10. I tend to drift to low #s.
IIRC you have to be on the winning side for 12 hours to get the perkies for the win right?
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All I can say is that if one switched countries for spying, the greedy d-bag didn't let the rest of us know about the raids... It was only when I saw the red dots on radar ring and frantic calls on country for a raid taking our BASE, that I upped to intercept..
If it was a spy thing, he/she is a BAD spy... Perhaps the side switcher was one of the 262's that was seen by the attackers... But that jerk didn't tell me about the huge raid...
i want to know who it was who switched sides. that deserves mentioning.
semp
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Should be able to switch sides whenever .... at a perk cost, say 10. I tend to drift to low #s.
IIRC you have to be on the winning side for 12 hours to get the perkies for the win right?
I play on the rooks and have only gotten perkies for winning one time in 5 years.
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i want to know who it was who switched sides. that deserves mentioning.
semp
I'll boil some tar and gather feathers.
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I play on the rooks and have only gotten perkies for winning one time in 5 years.
The bishops welcome you with open arms.
Enjoy flying all the perk rides with us!!!
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Is it possible you passed by a cv? If you're not below 60 feet (If I have that right) you will show on dar but not show a dar bar if you are below 200 feet.
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Is it possible you passed by a cv? If you're not below 60 feet (If I have that right) you will show on dar but not show a dar bar if you are below 200 feet.
no cv anywhere near, they were on the dar ring. many little dots showing and about 10 minutes after the buff's went by then we saw the other 2 missions north of the strats, all good little boys above 65 but below 200.
this has been explained by so many people that saw them on dar.
semp
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Sad, is true. 10% or more of the players on line at the time were looking to avoid enemy contact. Better yet, they decided to file a complain when the had some :rofl
Exactly!!
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I'm thinking and I could be wrong, but you haven't read through my post on this topic. So I while appreciate your input, at no time did I say I expect a certain player(s) to follow my guidelines on the playing of AH.
OK I guess I interpreted the having to go to a different arena thing wrong.
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I believe THIS will make everything quite clear :devil
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KE17BAfekuQ
Bout time I asked for this like 4 pages ago.
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I play on the rooks and have only gotten perkies for winning one time in 5 years.
They won tonight. Play more.
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AVA
He said "have fun".
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He said "have fun".
Just because you don't like it doesn't mean others wont. :aok But thanks for trying to impose your will on others.
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I don't agree with the supposition that missions like this are always "ratted out" by "lamers". There are many in this game, like myself, who generally prefer to fly alone - often deep into hostile territory knowing that we will meet an enemy plane and then we will inevitably find more showing up until we die 4-1 or more. I like the adrenaline rush I get doing this. I also like these "intruder" missions because, once in a while, I'll catch a mission assembling and then shadow it without engaging for as long as I can while calling out headings, numbers, altitude and aircraft types. I shadowed a mission last week for about an hour and it was very intense and fun. I would only pop into icon range for a few seconds, then I'd retreat beyond 6 and follow the dots. I suspect that your three groups were spotted by lone-wolf intruders who called out the mission details. You may not have realized they were doing this to you. I do this kind of thing so that countrymen can up their 262s, or whatever, and form a reception committee. It's my own twisted brand of fun. The Mark 1 eyeball is quite and effective radar system... I'm like a radar picket. I do hate "lamers" who switch sides in quiet hours to redirect carrier groups. Those people should be slowly euthanized in some long drawn-out and terrible medieval fashion - probably involving hot pokers and various knives. They are probably the same people who vandalize cars and rob old ladies - the most loathesome and squalid examples of humanity (apart from tea party activists and ho-ers).
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Just because you don't like it doesn't mean others wont. :aok But thanks for trying to impose your will on others.
A bit over reactive.
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I believe THIS will make everything quite clear :devil
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KE17BAfekuQ
I'm so sick of clicking on video links only to see the Downfall bunker scene again. Honestly it's become like the hyperlink version of "Stay Calm and.." At least getting rick rolled was funny.
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The bishops welcome you with open arms.
Enjoy flying all the perk rides with us!!!
Yes they do, now go sit in the corner and shut it 'til they call u for mssn. Tosh now owns you. :devil
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Just because you don't like it doesn't mean others wont. :aok But thanks for trying to impose your will on others.
I suggest you look up the definition of "impose your will on others" because I did nothing of the sort. :aok But thanks for the totally inappropriate respose.
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A bit over reactive.
Nah
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I suggest you look up the definition of "impose your will on others" because I did nothing of the sort. :aok But thanks for the totally inappropriate respose.
Trying to influence others opinions is imposing will. Its your will that people think there is no fun to be had per your 'he said have fun' post
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I agree with Nathan but then again I don't :old:
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I agree with Nathan but then again I don't :old:
I agree with Zacks non agreement agreement with me.
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Trying to influence others opinions is imposing will. Its your will that people think there is no fun to be had per your 'he said have fun' post
No. Imposing my will would be closing all the arenas except LWMA if I could and forcing everyone to play there. Saying the AVA isn't fun is simply stating my opinion which people can take for what it's worth.
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I agree with Zacks non agreement agreement with me.
I agree not to agree to the agreement which was non-binding.