Sorry State of Affairs!

[earl1937]

Earl at first you said some side switchers were on your vox and they switched to Knights, and were part of the intercept.

Later you said that they "had to be" listening to your  vox: "maybe it was just bad timing, but to have three different groups in three different sectors, all getting jumped by a number of fighters, when there was no way anyone could know we were coming, because no dar bar was showing, so someone had to be listening to our VOX communication about where we were going."

Not trying to be an arsehat to you, but which was it? Were there switchers who intercepted your mission, did some switchers get kills/your group kill them?

I speculate the latter of what you said to be much less probable.

Here's why:  I used to do a lot of strat mssns (not as much as Snailman of course) at all types of alt. If you are NOE there are some maps that it is impossible to stay that way all the way to strats. There are occasions where you must traverse  between mtns and you can't afford to descend into the valley...and all kinds of other reasons of the like. One thing that anyone watching the map that will get their attn is a darbar that disappears/reappears, even numerous sectors away this is a good tell that something intentionally NOE is headed in.

I'm not saying there aren't DH's in the game, but the fact is there are many occasions where it's easy to think   when you are alone. However, when 10 guys do anything together...

A tactic used by many squads to deter any spying is no public announcement of target until mssn is up and then only on range/vox. Also know who is in your mssn, if it's a name you don't recognize then ask them who they are, ask who knows them...

Better luck in the future.
 


Edit: To give some benefit of the doubt to everybody: I've been playing for over a year, in that time I've seen a lot of things that I thought were questionable (spying wise.) A lot of times I thought spying was taking place. Sometimes it may have been, and I will contend that there is a very small group who does it. However, over the past year I have only once actually witnessed something that one might call "spying," and that was one player was vectoring his friend to another player's location to kill him over and over - really more of a: "we told you not to get us PO'd..." situation. With that said and by strong encouragement ( ) from other players to consider other factors, I will admit, of all the times I thought spying was going on, it probably was only a small fraction of the time.  

Not sure how or who did the "ratting", but after the 2 people on our vox left, all of sudden, some of my guys heard it being discussed on 200!

[earl1937]

dude I call the full noe fromm all three sides a bunch of bs.  we saw you on dar from the time you entered giving us direction and heading.  at least 4 sets of buffs were on dar.  the fact that there was no darbar gave it away as an noe. ask any of my squadies plus the other pilots that were there how you were showing on dar.

we saw all 3 sides as soon as you entered dar ring.  that's how you got killed.  learn to stay below dar.



semp

Don't know what you were looking at, we didn't enter any radar rings until after we were first hit with the deuce's!

[Ack-Ack]

We were NOT showing any dar and we had a/c in 3 different sectors, so sorry, don't know what you looking at, but it was not our dar, because we never did produce, even under attack!

Yes you did.  At least one flight had a 'dar bar showing and the occasional dot appear as they went above NOE alt.  I'll state it again, your mission was not busted because of spies, it was detected because a 'dar bar was showing and it was easy to figure out (like I had already described) to figure out it was a NOE raid and after a correction, the correct target was identified and called out for the defenders.

ack-ack

[Lusche]

Don't know what you were looking at, we didn't enter any radar rings until after we were first hit with the deuce's!

You can't see CV's dar rings, and on this map there are plenty of them around. Inf act, on Ozkansas it's very difficult to go NOE to strats and NOT triggering any CV dar on the way...

[earl1937]

 

Yes you did.  At least one flight had a 'dar bar showing and the occasional dot appear as they went above NOE alt.  I'll state it again, your mission was not busted because of spies, it was detected because a 'dar bar was showing and it was easy to figure out (like I had already described) to figure out it was a NOE raid and after a correction, the correct target was identified and called out for the defenders.

ack-ack

Bulls***!

[WEZEL]

I hate to say it but the b24's cracked 66[think it was 66] dar ring, lots of little red dots show up nicely, the heavy fighters showed up in the base to the north's dar ring. I thought it was a cv sneak of 66 until it went out that it was noe buffs....yummy good time was had by all that lifted to intercept. You say you were at 65 feet, from what I was told dont know if it true or not but you have to be under 50 feet not to show up in the dar ring.


EDIT*

just checked the map base 68 the b24's showed in dar ring and 52 for the heavy fighters, I never did see the 3 group on a dar ring, I can only assume they got intercepted at the strats.

[Fulcrum]

I believe he's a Turk immigrant.

That could get you gutted in the street in Athens.  Greeks have looooooooooonnnnnnnnggggg memories.

[Lusche]

, from what I was told dont know if it true or not but you have to be under 50 feet not to show up in the dar ring.

That's not true.

See my earlier post about dar altitudes and how to look them up for yourself easily while in game.

[Ack-Ack]

Bulls***!

Then keep your head stuck in the sand if you don't want to hear the truth.  I guess as some pointed out, it is far easier to blame spies for your mission's failure than to admit it was busted because some couldn't stay below 'dar.

ack-ack

[Arlo]

Bulls***!

Not productive, Earl. Ack-Ack is an experienced player and can offer decent game insight.

[5PointOh]

You can't see CV's dar rings, and on this map there are plenty of them around. Inf act, on Ozkansas it's very difficult to go NOE to strats and NOT triggering any CV dar on the way...

To me, this one seems the most logical, in fact I've been on the other end of this.  Large mass of dots move through near cv, yet no dar. Either way.

[ozrocker]

People have done same thing forever.
Complained about same thing forever.
Just another aspect of the game.
Possibility of side switchers only to intercept a Mission?
Yeah lame but possible.
More likely Mission was discovered.



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[guncrasher]

Don't know what you were looking at, we didn't enter any radar rings until after we were first hit with the deuce's!

lol you were in the dar ring.  that's how we saw you.  I had just logged in and one of my squadies told me about the noe.  you were in the dar ring for about 5 minutes showing before any of us hit you.  heck I bailed out of 2 airplanes because I kept picking the wrong one before you even left the dar ring.

ask your squadies who killed them and then ask around,  we all saw you on dar, just like akak said.  the other two attacks didnt show up until after we had engaged the bombers.  and that's because they were on dar.  one more thing you missed is that the fighters had a big mountain in front of them  that's when they showed up on dar as they were climbing.  by the time I had finished attacking the bombers and landed my la7.  I had time to up a pony and your fighters were around 6k diving on our friendlies.  we killed them all including some that had returned to help.


semp


semp

[guncrasher]

Oh some of you in this thread make me giggle.  

All and all Earl I had a blast, killed a La and Dora, and enjoyed the company of some real nice people.  Even got to hear Semp pat himself on his back for killing my single B24.  So it was fun and I do it again!

oh your highness, you forgot to point out that you were on 200 sometime after the mission boasting "we need more bishops on whatever base".  so I reminded you that you had just had your  .

but out of curiosity you never replied, why would you take a single b24 to a strat raid?


semp

[5PointOh]

Well Semp, perhaps you missed what was said on 200 before you piped up. BushLT said GV Mission to 144, spawned in and waited with Dr7, and a couple other and no one showed.  Guess you missed that part, so of course you couldn't pick up the sarcasm in my statement of "Need more bish to 144". But instead of asking or scrolling up you proceeded to gloat.

The reason I had 1 B24 is it was damage and taken out by LA7, 190 and a 262 prior to you showing up in you LA7. So your right I got my tail handled to me by 4 different players.  I'll cancel my account.