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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: kilz on October 14, 2013, 06:09:56 PM
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could use some advice. let me know if there is any flaws to this set up and also if it will run aces high ok
ASUS DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS Black SATA 24X DVD Burner - Bulk - OEM
Sentey Black Box Series BX1-4237 v2.2 Black SECC 0.7mm / Plastic ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
ASRock FM2A75M-DGS R2.0 FM2 AMD A75 (Hudson D3) SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Micro ATX AMD Motherboard
EVGA 600 B 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified 600W Active PFC ATX12V v2.31/EPS 12V v2.91 3 Year Warranty 100-B1-0600-KR Power Supply
Rosewill RCX-TC001 Thermal Grease
G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9D-8GBRL
AMD A6-5400K Trinity 3.6GHz (3.8GHz Turbo) Socket FM2 65W Dual-Core Desktop APU (CPU + GPU) with DirectX 11 Graphic AMD Radeon ...
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64-bit - OEM
Rosewill ROCC-12001 AIOLOS 120mm Long Life Sleeve CPU Cooler Compatible Intel Core i5 & Core i7
thanks in advance for any advice
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If you haven't heard it before, AMD more often than not uses only one core for Aces High while every multicore Intel uses two. Plus the APU isn't a real gaming video system albeit presumably better than the Intel equivalent. Although the data might travel fast from the CPU to the GPU and back, it will be using regular system memory which is both far away and slow compared to a real GPU. The rest looks good enough for a serious long time gaming rig.
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What do you recomend in place of the amd?
I have my old video card to run graphics. Gts 250
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A two cored one with relatively high clock into Socket LGA1155: Intel Core i3-3250 BX80637I33250 $140
Four cored: Intel Core i5-3570K +$80
A cheap full size ATX LGA1155 motherboard with z77 circuitry: ECS Z77H2-A3(1.2) for $80, or ECS Z77H2-A4 v1.1 for $85
The gts 250 is a decent start for a budget gamer, it can be replaced when necessary.
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ah is running on 2 of my amd 965 phenom2 black edition cores. no idea what it would do with an "apu" series amd though.
have to agree with bizman, even an i3 processor is far better than any "apu" series amd...
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What about the mobo? Is it ok to run that Intel?
Thanks again for yalls help
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no, you need to find an intel chipset mobo. Bizman posted 2 possibles for you. i wouldn't touch the ecs brand with a 10 foot pole even if they were giving them away for free but, if price is the main point, they can be used.
otherwise asus and asrock have some good intel z77 chipset atx mobos for decent price.
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If you're wondering about the brand, ECS, they are a long time OEM manufacturer, so they certainly know how to make mobos. Some reviews claim they are better equipped than many of their competitors in the same price range. Reviews don't tell about their longevity, though. OTOH, every brand has had and will have weak versions. Other factors such as cooling and dust also play a significant role in how long electrical components last.
You made me think, though, and I started to look why the Z77 chipset would be recommendable. Well, it is indeed aimed for the gamer market, but: If you aren't into overclocking or other excessive tweaking, other versions might perform equally well! Source: http://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/952-chipset-naming-conventions (http://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/952-chipset-naming-conventions)
That said, there's no difference in the full ATX size, but there's a bunch of alternatives in the micro-ATX form, Foxconn H77MXV-D for $52 being the cheapest. (Another long time OEM manufacturer with their own brand). For longevity, the MSI ZH77A-G43 for $82 seems interesting in terms of long lasting: It claims to have military class components...
http://pcpartpicker.com (http://pcpartpicker.com) is a good tool with a multitude of searching filters.
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:lol come on Bizman, you have been in this business long enough to be able to put 2 and 2 together...think of all the craptastic issues people have had with retail box systems over the years. there is a reason ECS, Foxconn, Jetway and Zotac have such low priced hardware...and it has nothing to do with "good quality".
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This would be my pick for a low-budget machine (which is better than the one I play AH on at 60 fps with most but not all things maxed out):
For $530:
i5-3340
Windows 8
8 GB RAM
1 TB HD
DVD +/- RW drive
keyboard and mouse
That's a Dell Insprion 660. Then I would add a Thermaltake 500W ATX12V power supply for $50 from newegg.
If you need a new video card, I would pick whatever is best card for the money on Tom's Hardware recommendations:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-graphics-card-review,3107.html
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:lol come on Bizman, you have been in this business long enough to be able to put 2 and 2 together...think of all the craptastic issues people have had with retail box systems over the years. there is a reason ECS, Foxconn, Jetway and Zotac have such low priced hardware...and it has nothing to do with "good quality".
Well... IIRC the first time I recall seeing the name Foxconn was in some business PC being in use for about a decade and still fully intact, the reason for dumping simply being outdated. Right now I'm doing routine maintenance on a PC equipped with a PC-Chips mobo from late 2004 - it may be built before they merged with ECS, though... Anyway, it seems like the some of the cheap crap have lasted longer than their more expensive rivals. You really can't tell until afterwards...
Also, the mobos in retail systems often aren't identical to those sold by the manufacturer. The retail system builders will get what they order and pay for, stripping everything they possibly can.
But, as I said in my previous post, the mil-spec MSI is only a couple of bucks more than the cheapest full size ATX.
BTW, kilz and others whom it may concern: I prefer the larger mobos simply because there's more space for placing all the components and also more slots to put expansion cards in. A micro-ATX may be equally well built, only lacking the extra slots, so for a basic budget rig one is a good choice. Common sense is a good but seldom used tool also in choosing a motherboard. If you think about it, you don't want to get something which doesn't have the space required for a bigger cooler unless one ram stick is left out etc.
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BTW, kilz and others whom it may concern: I prefer the larger mobos simply because there's more space for placing all the components and also more slots to put expansion cards in. A micro-ATX may be equally well built, only lacking the extra slots, so for a basic budget rig one is a good choice. Common sense is a good but seldom used tool also in choosing a motherboard. If you think about it, you don't want to get something which doesn't have the space required for a bigger cooler unless one ram stick is left out etc.
makes sense.
sorry for the ignorance but its my first custom build with out having someone else build it.
thanks for your help
i will post the specs when i get home later
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Ignorance is not stupidity. Not asking despite your ignorance would be. :salute
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I am running an A8-3870 APU , HD7700 series card, 8 gigs of ram. Plays at 50-60 FPS at max settings.
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+1 on the core i3
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If you haven't heard it before, AMD more often than not uses only one core for Aces High while every multicore Intel uses two. Plus the APU isn't a real gaming video system albeit presumably better than the Intel equivalent. Although the data might travel fast from the CPU to the GPU and back, it will be using regular system memory which is both far away and slow compared to a real GPU. The rest looks good enough for a serious long time gaming rig.
This is old information (about the cores) AFAIK. The AMD models 5-6 years ago had this sort of a problem but the new generations have fixed it.
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This is old information AFAIK. The AMD models 5-6 years ago had this sort of a problem but the new generations have fixed it.
I seem to recall somebody saying it was a crap shoot when it comes to amd.
semp
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I seem to recall somebody saying it was a crap shoot when it comes to amd.
semp
It may be a crap shoot due to the coding of AH2. AMD cpus can run with all 8 cores easily if the application code supports it.
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This is old information (about the cores) AFAIK. The AMD models 5-6 years ago had this sort of a problem but the new generations have fixed it.
There was a discussion about new AMD cpu's and AH, Skuzzy's opinion being that some may use two cores while others won't: http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,345778.msg4565692.html#msg4565692 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,345778.msg4565692.html#msg4565692)
IMO compared to the 100% certainty of Intel anything below that is questionable.
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Just went to an i3 with "Intel HD" whatever that means. Terrible glitchy graphics no matter what resolution. Nice frame rates and real pretty scenery/water but text and icons are funny and I'm occasionally rolling over obstacles that just aren't there. Kinda hoped a major upgrade would help. Just made it worse. Maybe I'll try to get the old machine back on line.
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so i want to use a LCD tv for my monitor.
what i would like to know is,is there a way to make the LCD tv power down with the computer like a regular monitor does?
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Just went to an i3 with "Intel HD" whatever that means. Terrible glitchy graphics no matter what resolution. Nice frame rates and real pretty scenery/water but text and icons are funny and I'm occasionally rolling over obstacles that just aren't there. Kinda hoped a major upgrade would help. Just made it worse. Maybe I'll try to get the old machine back on line.
Install a budget discrete graphics card instead. For around 160 bucks you can get a starter model.
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If you need a new video card, I would pick whatever is best card for the money on Tom's Hardware recommendations:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-graphics-card-review,3107.html
Pick your budget, then pick your card from above.
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Just went to an i3 with "Intel HD" whatever that means. Terrible glitchy graphics no matter what resolution. Nice frame rates and real pretty scenery/water but text and icons are funny and I'm occasionally rolling over obstacles that just aren't there. Kinda hoped a major upgrade would help. Just made it worse. Maybe I'll try to get the old machine back on line.
No wonder your upgrade sucked. "IntelHD" means that the graphics processor is a built-in circuit, using your standard ram. They are designed to run Tetris and Youtube. For gaming you'd need a dedicated graphics card as MrRipley said. Maybe you had one in your old rig? If you did, just install it into the new build.
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Actually the last machine had one of those integrated vid chips. And about half the resources. Considering what's listed as system requirements I figure it should at least resolve properly at 720. Nope. I had though maybe a driver issue but it looks like I'm up to date there and with DirectX. And it looks like everything save some specific text renders just fine.
Been on the game for years. Never used a high end system. Every upgrade gets more problematic. I'm done blaming the machines/ISP/sun spots...
Thanks for the input. I didn't see many references to cards and figured it was worth mentioning. I'm about to drop ah anyhow so I'm not gonna bother with any more hardware. Too bad a game that once ran just fine on a 486 still needs all this support.
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Actually the last machine had one of those integrated vid chips. And about half the resources. Considering what's listed as system requirements I figure it should at least resolve properly at 720. Nope. I had though maybe a driver issue but it looks like I'm up to date there and with DirectX. And it looks like everything save some specific text renders just fine.
Been on the game for years. Never used a high end system. Every upgrade gets more problematic. I'm done blaming the machines/ISP/sun spots...
Thanks for the input. I didn't see many references to cards and figured it was worth mentioning. I'm about to drop ah anyhow so I'm not gonna bother with any more hardware. Too bad a game that once ran just fine on a 486 still needs all this support.
Things evolve. My first PC had Ati graphics with a whopping 2 Mb of video memory. It ran Tetris and Minesweep well on Win95 and even some surprisingly good looking DOS games which used the resources to the point where memory settings had to be altered before playing. Then I got a Voodoo2 to run more graphic intensive games. The Voodoo cards used Glide which is no more directly supported by today's video cards since nVidia bought 3dfx in 2000. Although early games could be played with office computers, the ongrowing demand of life like graphics will widen the gap between basic and dedicated PC's.
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Just went to an i3 with "Intel HD" whatever that means. Terrible glitchy graphics no matter what resolution. Nice frame rates and real pretty scenery/water but text and icons are funny and I'm occasionally rolling over obstacles that just aren't there. Kinda hoped a major upgrade would help. Just made it worse. Maybe I'll try to get the old machine back on line.
Actually the last machine had one of those integrated vid chips. And about half the resources. Considering what's listed as system requirements I figure it should at least resolve properly at 720. Nope. I had though maybe a driver issue but it looks like I'm up to date there and with DirectX. And it looks like everything save some specific text renders just fine.
Been on the game for years. Never used a high end system. Every upgrade gets more problematic. I'm done blaming the machines/ISP/sun spots...
Thanks for the input. I didn't see many references to cards and figured it was worth mentioning. I'm about to drop ah anyhow so I'm not gonna bother with any more hardware. Too bad a game that once ran just fine on a 486 still needs all this support.
that i3 with "intel hd graphics" means the video chip which used to be built onto the mobo like your old time box is now embedded into the cpu. it's faster and better in many ways than the old mobo based chips but, it's nowhere near being in the same league as a dedicated video card any more than the old mobo based chip. that has been the case for at least 15 years.
you can buy $300 laptops that are 10x more powerful than the computers i used to run games like delta force on, but they may as well be paperweights trying to run something as simple as civilization 4 or battlefield 3. unfortunately with the competition in the console market and the demand for photo realistic graphics and multiplayer capacity, what used to be a relatively long term low cost hobby, is now a money pit that requires people wanting to game on their computers to choose between spending money on upgrades every 1 to 2 years just to stay abreast of the hardware demands or quit computer gaming.
if the truth be told, nobody, even the people who look back at the "good ole days" claiming they don't care about graphics quality, wants to step back to 8, 16 or even 32 bit graphics.
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if the truth be told, nobody, even the people who look back at the "good ole days" claiming they don't care about graphics quality, wants to step back to 8, 16 or even 32 bit graphics.
640x480, 256 colors. :O :x :banana: :aok :D
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this is what i ended up with.
intel Pentium Processor E5500 2.8Gh
Acer G45T motherboard
8gigs of ram. (was ram i had laying around not sure what kind)
1TB WD harddrive
GTS 250 Nvidia Graphics card
Antec 650 PSU 80Plus Bronze
LG DVD RW drive
Sound Blaster X-Fi sound card.
tested it out last night and runs the game almost at max. take away water detail and it runs at 60FPS
still my LCD tv as a monitor i cant figure out how to get it to power down when i shut down my computer. any ideas?
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still my LCD tv as a monitor i cant figure out how to get it to power down when i shut down my computer. any ideas?
Remote control for standby, power button for power down. Except some TV's don't power down unless you pull the plug. That's because it's a TV. The logic is that you might want to use it for other purposes after finishing computing by using the source selector. It doesn't automatically power down after your favourite show either, does it? For a TV the computer is just another source for TV programs - the AH show, if you like to think it that way. And FWIW a dedicated computer monitor doesn't actually power off when the computer is shut down, it only goes to standby.
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this is what i ended up with.
intel Pentium Processor E5500 2.8Gh
Acer G45T motherboard
8gigs of ram. (was ram i had laying around not sure what kind)
1TB WD harddrive
GTS 250 Nvidia Graphics card
Antec 650 PSU 80Plus Bronze
LG DVD RW drive
Sound Blaster X-Fi sound card.
tested it out last night and runs the game almost at max. take away water detail and it runs at 60FPS
still my LCD tv as a monitor i cant figure out how to get it to power down when i shut down my computer. any ideas?
:O you must have bought all used hardware. have you tried that out in a crowd yet?
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yes i have
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yes i have
and you don't get drops in frame rates to somewhere in the 30s?
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Nope. Going to test it again this weekend. Will post a film
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so with eye candy turned on yes i drop well below 30.
with all eye candy turned off i dont drop below 45.
however i believe with another upgrade to aces high it will struggle.
What is a good cheap mother board and processor that will do well for a few years
prolly a mobo that supports 3.0 usb
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kilz if you dont have money for a good cpu and mobo then may I suggest you wait a month or two? you are looking at about 400 bucks 220+for cpu and 160 for mobo. and perhaps different ram too.
you will also need another vc.
semp
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i like ASUS MBs with the L77 chipset..but im seeing
L77 and L77 express!
same thing different thing?
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Should check out new egg this week. SOme awesome deals going on
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i like ASUS MBs with the L77 chipset..but im seeing
L77 and L77 express!
same thing different thing?
L77 chipset? there is no L77 intel chipset.
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L77 chipset? there is no L77 intel chipset.
sorry Z77 :o
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Here is one that looks nice on Ebay.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/281215449381?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:VRI&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2661