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Title: Choosing bombs.
Post by: Tinkles on October 24, 2013, 04:26:41 AM
Been thinking this for awhile now and finally decided to make a wish about it.

I have watched a few programs on the History channel on various bombers, but I don't consider myself 'all that' or anything, but out of curiosity. How come we are only able to choose all of one type of bomb, yet unable to "mix and match" so to speak?  Like with the B29, All 500s, All 1000s etc. Why not a mix of 1000s 500s 250s or even 100s?

Lancs, B17s, B24s, B25s, A20s, Boston IIIs, B29s etc etc.  Almost all the bombers we have are able to carry a variety (some larger than others) of bombs.

I was simply thinking of the possibly of players being able to choose how much of what type of bomb they could take.

For example: Lancasters.  Carry roughly 12-14k (depending on current loadout) Between the 14 1000LB, and 18 500LB & 1 4000LB.  So, why not make it so I could choose.. say, 1 cookie 6 500s and 4 to 6 1000 lbers?  (Or any configuration that was under or equal to 12000-14000 lbs.)


Note: This would be an option for all bombers, but the Lanc was the only one that came to mind  :D


While I can think of a few reasons as to why HTC didn't add this feature. I am just curious what you guys think of it.

Just a thought.

Tinkles

<<S>>
Title: Re: Choosing bombs.
Post by: guncrasher on October 24, 2013, 04:38:51 AM
not an expert on ww2, but bombs were on "racks" for lack of a better term.  it was hard to mix and match different type of bombs to fit on each rack.  but waiting on ak to correct me.


semp
Title: Re: Choosing bombs.
Post by: SmokinLoon on October 24, 2013, 07:19:53 AM
Unless there was a specific role involved for the different weights of ordnance, the same weight of ordnance was carried for many reasons.  I'm sure someone will come along and offer more examples but the only example of bombers taking multiple weights or types of ordnance is the Lancaster when it used the 4000 cookie to blow up a wide area then right behind were the 50 lb (?) incendiary bombs that were designed to light the area on fire.

Oh, and the Germans obviously used the bomb bays of their Ju88's and He111's for the light 50kg bombs and the pylons, when able, were mounted with the heavier stuff.
Title: Re: Choosing bombs.
Post by: gyrene81 on October 24, 2013, 08:50:50 AM
a couple of weeks ago, i read somewhere that occasionally b-17s and b-24s would carry a mixed bomb load where each rack was loaded with the same bomb type/weight. there weren't any other specifics though.
Title: Re: Choosing bombs.
Post by: Arlo on October 24, 2013, 09:57:03 AM
Lanc:

(http://www.war44.com/misc/images/4/bomb_raid_on_Germany.jpg)

Clavework illustrations of mixed bomb-loads for the B-24:

(http://www.clavework-graphics.co.uk/products/prints/Consolidated/B24_Load_3.jpg)

(http://www.clavework-graphics.co.uk/products/prints/Consolidated/B24_Load_4.jpg)

And just because they all look cool:

(http://www.clavework-graphics.co.uk/products/prints/Avro/Lancaster_Load_1.jpg)

(http://www.clavework-graphics.co.uk/products/prints/Avro/Lancaster_Load_2.jpg)

(http://www.clavework-graphics.co.uk/products/prints/Avro/Lancaster_Load_3.jpg)

(http://www.clavework-graphics.co.uk/products/prints/Avro/Lancaster_Load_4.jpg)

(http://www.clavework-graphics.co.uk/products/prints/Avro/Lancaster_Load_5.jpg)

(http://www.clavework-graphics.co.uk/products/prints/Avro/Lancaster_Load_6.jpg)

(http://www.clavework-graphics.co.uk/products/prints/Avro/Lancaster_Load_7.jpg)

(http://www.clavework-graphics.co.uk/products/prints/Avro/Lancaster_Load_8.jpg)

(http://www.clavework-graphics.co.uk/products/prints/Avro/Lancaster_Load_9.jpg)

(http://www.clavework-graphics.co.uk/products/prints/Avro/Lancaster_Load_10.jpg)

(http://www.clavework-graphics.co.uk/products/prints/Avro/Lancaster_Load_11.jpg)



Title: Re: Choosing bombs.
Post by: Arlo on October 24, 2013, 09:58:37 AM
(http://www.clavework-graphics.co.uk/products/prints/Boeing/B17_Load_1.jpg)

(http://www.clavework-graphics.co.uk/products/prints/Boeing/B17_Load_2.jpg)

(http://www.clavework-graphics.co.uk/products/prints/Boeing/B17_Load_3.jpg)

(http://www.clavework-graphics.co.uk/products/prints/Boeing/B17_Load_4.jpg)

(http://www.clavework-graphics.co.uk/products/prints/Boeing/B17_Load_5.jpg)

Title: Re: Choosing bombs.
Post by: Arlo on October 24, 2013, 09:59:57 AM
(http://www.clavework-graphics.co.uk/products/prints/Boeing/B29_Load_1.jpg)

(http://www.clavework-graphics.co.uk/products/prints/Boeing/B29_Load_2.jpg)

(http://www.clavework-graphics.co.uk/products/prints/Boeing/B29_Load_3.jpg)

(http://www.clavework-graphics.co.uk/products/prints/Boeing/B29_Load_4.jpg)

(http://www.clavework-graphics.co.uk/products/prints/Boeing/B29_Load_5.jpg)

Title: Re: Choosing bombs.
Post by: Arlo on October 24, 2013, 10:00:52 AM
(http://www.clavework-graphics.co.uk/products/prints/Consolidated/B24_Load_1.jpg)

(http://www.clavework-graphics.co.uk/products/prints/Consolidated/B24_Load_2.jpg)

(http://www.clavework-graphics.co.uk/products/prints/Consolidated/B24_Load_5.jpg)

Title: Re: Choosing bombs.
Post by: Arlo on October 24, 2013, 10:01:46 AM
(http://www.clavework-graphics.co.uk/products/prints/De%20Havilland/Mosquito_Load_1.jpg)

(http://www.clavework-graphics.co.uk/products/prints/De%20Havilland/Mosquito_Load_2.jpg)

(http://www.clavework-graphics.co.uk/products/prints/De%20Havilland/Mosquito_Load_3.jpg)

Title: Re: Choosing bombs.
Post by: Arlo on October 24, 2013, 10:02:34 AM
(http://www.clavework-graphics.co.uk/products/prints/Grumman/Avenger_Load_1.jpg)

(http://www.clavework-graphics.co.uk/products/prints/Grumman/Avenger_Load_2.jpg)

(http://www.clavework-graphics.co.uk/products/prints/Grumman/Avenger_Load_3.jpg)

Title: Re: Choosing bombs.
Post by: Arlo on October 24, 2013, 10:03:21 AM
(http://www.clavework-graphics.co.uk/products/prints/Heinkel/He111_Load_1.jpg)

(http://www.clavework-graphics.co.uk/products/prints/Heinkel/He111_Load_2.jpg)

(http://www.clavework-graphics.co.uk/products/prints/Heinkel/He111_Load_3.jpg)

Title: Re: Choosing bombs.
Post by: Arlo on October 24, 2013, 10:03:58 AM
(http://www.clavework-graphics.co.uk/products/prints/Junkers/Ju87_Load_1.jpg)

(http://www.clavework-graphics.co.uk/products/prints/Junkers/Ju87_Load_2.jpg)

Title: Re: Choosing bombs.
Post by: Arlo on October 24, 2013, 10:04:58 AM
(http://www.clavework-graphics.co.uk/products/prints/Junkers/Ju88_Load_1.jpg)

(http://www.clavework-graphics.co.uk/products/prints/Junkers/Ju88_Load_2.jpg)

(http://www.clavework-graphics.co.uk/products/prints/Junkers/Ju88_Load_3.jpg)

(http://www.clavework-graphics.co.uk/products/prints/Junkers/Ju88_Load_4.jpg)

Title: Re: Choosing bombs.
Post by: Arlo on October 24, 2013, 10:05:53 AM
(http://www.clavework-graphics.co.uk/products/prints/North%20American/B25_Load_1.jpg)

(http://www.clavework-graphics.co.uk/products/prints/North%20American/B25_Load_2.jpg)

(http://www.clavework-graphics.co.uk/products/prints/North%20American/B25_Load_3.jpg)

(http://www.clavework-graphics.co.uk/products/prints/North%20American/B25_Load_4.jpg)

Title: Re: Choosing bombs.
Post by: Tinkles on October 24, 2013, 10:09:40 AM
Geez arlo.  :rofl



Title: Re: Choosing bombs.
Post by: Arlo on October 24, 2013, 10:14:45 AM
Geez arlo.  :rofl

When I run across something I think is cool, I share the wealth (what can I say?).

There were other buff/bomb-load profiles but they weren't modeled for the game (yet).  :D
Title: Re: Choosing bombs.
Post by: CMan on October 24, 2013, 10:20:08 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujLVIlESNGE

Amazing video to watch, and it also has some interesting information on the various bomb loads for lancs
Title: Re: Choosing bombs.
Post by: gyrene81 on October 24, 2013, 10:22:37 AM
Geez arlo.  :rofl
i was saying the exact same thing as i scrolled through that mess. &$%^&*$%@#$!@ Arlo, couldn't just post a few pics then just link the site they came from...had to go through the entire library and post them.  :lol
Title: Re: Choosing bombs.
Post by: Arlo on October 24, 2013, 10:31:02 AM
i was saying the exact same thing as i scrolled through that mess. &$%^&*$%@#$!@ Arlo, couldn't just post a few pics then just link the site they came from...had to go through the entire library and post them.  :lol

It wasn't the entire library.  :D

(You're welcome?)  ;)
Title: Re: Choosing bombs.
Post by: SmokinLoon on October 24, 2013, 03:04:20 PM
What is the source for those load outs, Arlo?  I'd like to read more on them.    Thanks.
Title: Re: Choosing bombs.
Post by: Arlo on October 24, 2013, 03:12:06 PM
What is the source for those load outs, Arlo?  I'd like to read more on them.    Thanks.

Claveworks. It's more of an artistic aircraft profile source but I believe it's accurate. The DeviantArt link is best: http://ws-clave.deviantart.com/gallery/25884810
Title: Re: Choosing bombs.
Post by: Tinkles on October 24, 2013, 04:52:10 PM
Claveworks. It's more of an artistic aircraft profile source but I believe it's accurate. The DeviantArt link is best: http://ws-clave.deviantart.com/gallery/25884810

Very nice arlo.  (Thank you )  :aok

I suppose that means you give a +1 then :lol

 :cool:
Title: Re: Choosing bombs.
Post by: Arlo on October 24, 2013, 05:14:10 PM
Very nice arlo.  (Thank you )  :aok

I suppose that means you give a +1 then :lol

 :cool:

Oh! Yes. +1  :aok
Title: Re: Choosing bombs.
Post by: Ack-Ack on October 24, 2013, 06:48:59 PM
Been thinking this for awhile now and finally decided to make a wish about it.

I have watched a few programs on the History channel on various bombers, but I don't consider myself 'all that' or anything, but out of curiosity. How come we are only able to choose all of one type of bomb, yet unable to "mix and match" so to speak?  Like with the B29, All 500s, All 1000s etc. Why not a mix of 1000s 500s 250s or even 100s?

Lancs, B17s, B24s, B25s, A20s, Boston IIIs, B29s etc etc.  Almost all the bombers we have are able to carry a variety (some larger than others) of bombs.

I was simply thinking of the possibly of players being able to choose how much of what type of bomb they could take.

For example: Lancasters.  Carry roughly 12-14k (depending on current loadout) Between the 14 1000LB, and 18 500LB & 1 4000LB.  So, why not make it so I could choose.. say, 1 cookie 6 500s and 4 to 6 1000 lbers?  (Or any configuration that was under or equal to 12000-14000 lbs.)


Note: This would be an option for all bombers, but the Lanc was the only one that came to mind  :D


While I can think of a few reasons as to why HTC didn't add this feature. I am just curious what you guys think of it.

Just a thought.

Tinkles

<<S>>

It's probably a limitation of the ordnance system in game, which is the reason why we don't have a lot of ordnance load outs that were historically used during the war.

ack-ack
Title: Re: Choosing bombs.
Post by: Volron on October 24, 2013, 09:19:17 PM
So much porn... :O
Title: Re: Choosing bombs.
Post by: SmokinLoon on October 25, 2013, 08:20:15 AM
It's probably a limitation of the ordnance system in game, which is the reason why we don't have a lot of ordnance load outs that were historically used during the war.

ack-ack

6 (or 7?) options per column I believe.  It looks like HTC has the ordnance options sorted between wings, bomb bay, and gun/ord packages (110G-2, Me 410). Or, any combo as needed as long as it is relative to the limitations of the load out (Me 410 = 50mm gun OR bombs).

The other thing we have to keep in mind is that I'm sure HTC will put in the more common bomb load outs but they also have to take in to consideration which options will and will not be used in the MA.  Who would use the 4000 cookie and 50/50 lb bombs vs the 4000 lb bomb and a mix of 500 or 1000 lb bombs?  Remember, there are only a certainly number of option slots. 
Title: Re: Choosing bombs.
Post by: bangsbox on October 26, 2013, 12:22:17 AM
I would love to see the b25 get torps