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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: Franz Von Werra on November 03, 2013, 01:08:01 PM
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SUMMARY:
Anything you land on a CV can be storred there for a later fight, AND IT GETS REPAIRED for any next flights. We can already 're-arm' so why not?
Game does not permit any Luftwaffe planes from upping from a CV, understandable, they didn't complete their CV, sigh. So historically no CVs for them.
But its not ONLY for them, THERE ARE LOTS OF PLANES that can't up from a CV, like a B-25 Mitchel, a Spit16, a p51, a p47, an La7... ETC ETC.
If your skills will land it on the CV, then you can store it there. And if you can take off, without breaking it, then you can up it too!
Example:
A neato paint, the 'BLUE' 109k4, I only up it if the fight is going to be over water. It's the 'JG5 by Truekill' paint.
1) I take off from a land-base...
2) I land on a specific CV, say CV 106 (so the one that goes with port P105).
3) GAME STORES IT THERE ON THAT SAME CV SO I CAN TAKE OFF IN IT LATER ON!!!
4) Hour later or so, when the CV finally reaches enemy territory... I can up my K4 (with the JG5 paint) from a CV!!!
5) I take off, fight, get damaged, I return to the CV, land, and it is stored again, and REPAIRED... so I could re-up it, repaired!
Max of one stored plane per player per CV?
Interesting aspect of it: players could stash a C-47 with troops?
How to implement? If log off all 'stored' planes are cancelled? What about we get booted? Plane stored until map reset?
Here's to the 'blue' k4, best paint in the game! :cheers:
:salute
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That seems unreasonable to me. What would the navy know about fixing a B-25, where would they get the parts? Or for that matter where would they find the time to fix it while they fueled it up? Where should they store it?Fugetaboutit.
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proof that a person can consume enough artificial ingredients to damage brain cells... :rolleyes:
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Well, they SEEM find 30mm taters for my k4 all the time...
By the way, the MOST hands down 'pimp' screenshot in this game is a k4 on the deck of a CV... :cool:
How to RE-ARM on a CV:
Oh and to players that don't know how... first LAND on the CV, then fully drop flaps, then just a TAD of throttle (which releases the parking-brake)... the plane can then back up, and taxi, in reverse. Back up to the black lines on the back side of the CV and it will RE-ARM your plane.
Oh, and if the CV gets sank, any saved plane are gone.
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SUMMARY:
Anything you land on a CV can be storred there for a later fight, AND IT GETS REPAIRED
(http://i.imgur.com/voLZQaZ.gif)
Yes, let me take off from a CV with the lightest bomb load, 12 mins of fuel and no pilot gun ammo. That's the only way to lift a B-25 off a CV. Yes, I've tested it.
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,354806.msg4699877.html#msg4699877
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Not if we had wind! :neener:
An option to not take defensive guns could be an option, lighter than just firing off the amo... shouldn't bombers be able to throw the guns overboard anyways? With the last bullet goes the whole gun?
Adding, could we stash a plane at a Vehicle Base also? I'd park a stuka at each one! And re-arming please!
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Not if we had wind! :neener:
Adding, could we stash a plane at a Vehicle Base also? I'd park a stuka at each one! And re-arming please!
NO NO NO NO :uhoh
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(http://i.imgur.com/voLZQaZ.gif)
Yes, let me take off from a CV with the lightest bomb load, 12 mins of fuel and no pilot gun ammo. That's the only way to lift a B-25 off a CV. Yes, I've tested it.
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,354806.msg4699877.html#msg4699877
I just tested this with a B-25C with 100% fuel and 6 500lb bombload. I was able to take off from from the standard spawn position on the cv.
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(http://i.imgur.com/voLZQaZ.gif)
Yes, let me take off from a CV with the lightest bomb load, 12 mins of fuel and no pilot gun ammo. That's the only way to lift a B-25 off a CV. Yes, I've tested it.
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,354806.msg4699877.html#msg4699877
Somewhere around here there's films of batfink landing on and taking off from a CV with loaded Lancasters and with AR234's and I know other's have done it with B-25's.
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I just tested this with a B-25C with 100% fuel and 6 500lb bombload. I was able to take off from from the standard spawn position on the cv.
Walk me through please. If you were able to do this you outsmarted me :cheers:
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Just give us the 109T. It saw combat and was intended to be flown off of a carrier.
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Just give us the 109T. It saw combat and was intended to be flown off of a carrier.
Next you'll want:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d4/Graf-Zeppelin-1.jpg)
Then what? A Nazi moonbase!
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(http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/gallery/no/the_dude_nope.gif)
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All I want is a plane that was flown, saw service, and scored kills. True it never took off from the incomplete German aircraft carrier but it did exist. Most of the early model F4U's never took off from an aircraft carrier either.
On a side note if you want to be a jackass go do it somewhere else. I was being perfectly civil. :)
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go do it somewhere else.
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-bVVQlqdeXs8/UE4SJAwP-wI/AAAAAAAAFNs/Bwv03M3Le2E/s1600/If+you+lose+one+sense+your+other+senses+are+enhanced+That%27s+why+people+with+no+sense+of+humour+have+an+increased+sense+of+self-importance.jpg)
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(http://imageshack.us/a/img51/8418/5s5i.png)
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I read in that article that some of the 109-E/N's were modeled to fly off carriers, unless I misread that.. would it be possible to have that be able to take off from a carrier?
Would be nice if possible.
Also. For the OP wish. No. It would be abused, just like another wish that came up a few months back. For the ability to park your tank or land your plane ANYWHERE and be able to log back in at that same spot. It would just be abused, simple as that.
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I read in that article that some of the 109-E/N's were modeled to fly off carriers, unless I misread that.. would it be possible to have that be able to take off from a carrier?
Would be nice if possible.
That's about all the wish would accomplish. The T is essentially the E. Redundancy
with German equipment fans now being able to launch the 109T(E) off the AHII Essex.
Personally, I don't see the value. *ShruG*
(And I certainly don't see value in the OP request.)
:salute :cheers:
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You can already land a land based plane on a cv, rearm wait a few hours and take off again. What you're asking for is HTC to further wussify an aspect of the game thats already too supernatural for my liking.
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That's about all the wish would accomplish. The T is essentially the E. Redundancy
with German equipment fans now being able to launch the 109T(E) off the AHII Essex.
Personally, I don't see the value. *ShruG*
(And I certainly don't see value in the OP request.)
:salute :cheers:
Then we should probably remove all the Japanese carrier planes from the list of aircraft you can spawn on a CV, same with the Seafire/Sea Hurricane. While we're at it all the early F4U variants too(Or figure out a way to perk them ONLY when spawning from a CV.)
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Then we should probably remove all the Japanese carrier planes from the list of aircraft you can spawn on a CV, same with the Seafire/Sea Hurricane. While we're at it all the early F4U variants too(Or figure out a way to perk them ONLY when spawning from a CV.)
Mmmmmmmbecause (you don't have your 109T)?
Good wish/rant! :aok :D
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Mmmmmmmbecause (you don't have your 109T)?
Good wish/rant! :aok :D
You're the one who brought up the fact that it's an Essex class carrier. Just trying to tailor the game to suit your needs. :)
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You're the one who brought up the fact that it's an Essex class carrier. Just trying to tailor the game to suit your needs. :)
Actually, I'm the one that's arguing against you trying to tailor the game to suit your 'needs.' :)
You're asking for a 109T because 'it saw combat and was intended to be flown off a carrier.'
The game already has the 109E, which is basically what the 109T was when it saw combat. The
carrier it was designed for never saw service.
Unless you're just wanting to spawn a 109E off of CVs in the main .... wish .... granted. Next. :D
(P.S. Just land and rearm your 109 off of CVs in the main, anyhoo. You can pretend it's a T off a German CV.) :aok
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Just give us the 109T.
+1
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Messerschmitt Bf-109T
Originally, the planned fighter for the carrier was to be a variant of Messerschmitt's highly successful and adaptable Bf-109. The "T" was a modified "E" model, with a larger wing, four catapult attachment points, a tail hook, manually folded wings, and a strengthened landing gear. Its guns consisted of two fuselage-mounted 7.92 mm MG 17 machine guns, with provisions for two MG-17 machine guns or two 20-mm MG-FF cannon in the wings. A Daimler Benz DB 601 engine could power the machine to fly at a top speed of 350 MPH.
After the design was accepted by the Kriegsmarine, because of the demand on production at Messerschmitt's Augsburg plant, the program was transferred to Fieseler. Ten Bf 109E-1s were taken off the assembly line and designated Bf 109T-0, as pre-production machines. Sixty Bf 109T-1s were also ordered from Fieseler. However in April, 1940, work on the Graf Zeppelin was halted, and then finally canceled in early 1943. Fieseler finished making the 60 Bf 109T-1s, but without the catapult hooks and arrester gear. Without these carrier features, they were re-designated Bf 109T-2, and were fitted with a ventral bomb rack for various bomb loads. Bf 109T-2 deliveries started in March, 1941, and most were assigned to Norway, another place where carrier-type aircraft were useful on short airfields and in mountainous conditions.
http://acepilots.com/ships/graf-zeppelin.html
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Vaguely, I remember 109T's having larger wings, so more turny... they bragged that their 109(t) was at least adjusted for a CV use, said that the English CV planes were the same ones, ONLY with a hook.
Just give us the ability to STASH ANY PLANE on a CV that we can land it - then we can up a 109k4 from a CV!
Can anyways, like someone was saying, just land but not exit, then afk for an hour till the CV gets to the destination, but that would sux!
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Vaguely, I remember 109T's having larger wings, so more turny... they bragged that their 109(t) was at least adjusted for a CV use, said that the English CV planes were the same ones, ONLY with a hook.
Just give us the ability to STASH ANY PLANE on a CV that we can land it - then we can up a 109k4 from a CV!
Can anyways, like someone was saying, just land but not exit, then afk for an hour till the CV gets to the destination, but that would sux!
Moon ..... base.
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Messerschmitt Bf-109T
Originally, the planned fighter for the carrier was to be a variant of Messerschmitt's highly successful and adaptable Bf-109. The "T" was a modified "E" model, with a larger wing, four catapult attachment points, a tail hook, manually folded wings, and a strengthened landing gear. Its guns consisted of two fuselage-mounted 7.92 mm MG 17 machine guns, with provisions for two MG-17 machine guns or two 20-mm MG-FF cannon in the wings. A Daimler Benz DB 601 engine could power the machine to fly at a top speed of 350 MPH.
After the design was accepted by the Kriegsmarine, because of the demand on production at Messerschmitt's Augsburg plant, the program was transferred to Fieseler. Ten Bf 109E-1s were taken off the assembly line and designated Bf 109T-0, as pre-production machines. Sixty Bf 109T-1s were also ordered from Fieseler. However in April, 1940, work on the Graf Zeppelin was halted, and then finally canceled in early 1943. Fieseler finished making the 60 Bf 109T-1s, but without the catapult hooks and arrester gear. Without these carrier features, they were re-designated Bf 109T-2, and were fitted with a ventral bomb rack for various bomb loads. Bf 109T-2 deliveries started in March, 1941, and most were assigned to Norway, another place where carrier-type aircraft were useful on short airfields and in mountainous conditions.
http://acepilots.com/ships/graf-zeppelin.html
norwegians rejoice!!!
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Moon ..... base.
:rofl :lol :rofl :lol dammit Arlo, caught me off guard again. :rofl
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:rofl :lol :rofl :lol dammit Arlo, caught me off guard again. :rofl
I figure these kinda wishes are too slow a lead-up to the ultimate desire of the Luftgasm group.
Just give in to the moon base on the next update. Now, a way to get there and back is another thing.
Here I am picturing a whole buncha stored toys for Franz Von Schlowy on the moon.
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Walk me through please. If you were able to do this you outsmarted me :cheers:
All I did was wall the throttle and give just enough rudder so my right wing didnt clip the island. I dropped the flaps right around when I passed the island and and other than making sure the nose was up before my wheels left the deck it wasn't terribly difficult. Were you using a B25H?
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All I did was wall the throttle and give just enough rudder so my right wing didnt clip the island. I dropped the flaps right around when I passed the island and and other than making sure the nose was up before my wheels left the deck it wasn't terribly difficult. Were you using a B25H?
I was using the 25H, yes.
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This is probably how...
1) Spawn on the CV... or land on it...
2) Back up the plane, by the method in previous posted, to the very back of the CV, and stop just before your back wheels fall off the side (to get max runway length).
3) Hold spacebar (for full brakes) and then throttle up to max, including WEP if the plane has it.
4) Suddenly release the brakes... (kinda slingshots plane, at least you don't lose runway length waiting for engine to 'catch up' to full throttle.)
5) I guess we need to hit the left rudder a tad to miss the island...
6) Just before the end of the runway (front of the CV), drop full flaps...
The idea is to get as much speed as you possibly can and then drop flaps at the last moment to buy time to get even more speed once you are airborne...
Don't drop flaps at start of take off because they will reduce your speed!
AND check your trims, turn off combat trim, all three trims should be manually centered (combat-trim gets a mind of its own sometimes, inefficiency can cause loss of precious speed.)
editing again... might as well back the plane up to the back left corner, that way there is no need to tap the left rudder to miss the island...
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Waiting until right before you leave the deck to drop flaps is not going to be effective for most planes as they take time to deploy.
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True that, and that's part of the piloting, or using 'the force' heh, knowing when to say when (to drop the flaps)!
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Seems like Schlowy has been saving years worth of stupid wishes
ack-ack
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Moon .... base.
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Waiting until right before you leave the deck to drop flaps is not going to be effective for most planes as they take time to deploy.
They take time to deploy graphically and sound wise, but my understanding is that when you raise or lower flaps a notch, they have an immediate effect on the flight characteristics of your plane.
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They take time to deploy graphically and sound wise, but my understanding is that when you raise or lower flaps a notch, they have an immediate effect on the flight characteristics of your plane.
You are correct! However most planes have multistage flaps and although you gain an instant effect when each stage deploys it takes time to move from one stage to the next.
If you try taking off with a B25C from a CV and drop full flaps once you pass the island the last stage (full flaps) only starts to deploy right around when your wheels leave the deck.
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All I did was wall the throttle and give just enough rudder so my right wing didnt clip the island. I dropped the flaps right around when I passed the island and and other than making sure the nose was up before my wheels left the deck it wasn't terribly difficult. Were you using a B25H?
I land B17's, rearm/refuel and reup of CV. Not that hard. Have also saw merlin land B29 on one but it's too wide to reup
(http://i1281.photobucket.com/albums/a513/Len_Holland/Proof_zps8a31572f.jpg)
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So uhh, where's his drones? Will drones land or crash themselves out?
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So uhh, where's his drones? Will drones land or crash themselves out?
Didn't bring them. But I know the B17's drones will land on the water
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I know that it was not a common occurrence in WW2, but Doolittle flew a whole squadron of B-25's off the Aircraft Carrier Hornet to attack Tokyo.
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I know that it was not a common occurrence in WW2, but Doolittle flew a whole squadron of B-25's off the Aircraft Carrier Hornet to attack Tokyo.
You're new so you probably don't know that the majority of AHII forum
members are well aware of this well-known historical event and that
we've seen it brought up often. Usually as a thread in the wishlist to
add the B-25 to the list of aircraft that can be spawned off the CV. Asking
for a constant based on a 'one-off' (The Dolittle Raid) or 'almost' (109T
with arresting gear intact) is going to end up no more than a theoretical
discussion in the wishlist forum. The OP's wish is a more complicated
version of stocking a CV with planes that don't spawn there.
Here's another instance of a plane that was tested for carrier use that
doesn't warrant modeling in AHII:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v503/swissmustangs/P-51D_Seahorse_Nov44_01a1.jpg)
P-51d 'Seahorse'
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Am I completely losing my mind or was there actually a time not too long ago that you could actually take a b-25 off the carrier? I swear I remember it but it may have been just a dream. :headscratch:
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I understand that. I know this wish would never happen. As it shouldn't. The point I was making was that even though flying bombers off of an aircraft carrier is nothing you want to include in this game. I just wanted to bring up the fact Doolittle had done it (even though everyone supposedly knows that). Although it may be unfeasible to do, it has been done and it wasn't stupid. You know it seems that no matter what thread I check out on this site, most of the comments toward those who are brave enough to put their ideas out there just get slapped around and belittled. I like to hear all ideas.
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You know it seems that no matter what thread I check out on this site, most of the comments toward those who are brave enough to put their ideas out there just get slapped around and belittled. I like to hear all ideas.
Sorry you feel that way. You'll get over it. ;) :cheers:
:salute
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See Rule #4
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The Japanese AND Germans were allies, and their nations been any closer...
And in this game, every plane there was can fly next to each other...
So if its a Japan CV, allow Luft planes to up re-arm, repair, and stash one for later!
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The Japanese AND Germans were allies, and their nations been any closer...
And in this game, every plane there was can fly next to each other...
So if its a Japan CV, allow Luft planes to up re-arm, repair, and stash one for later!
We don't have Japanese CVs ..... and no.
Wish on, Captain Moon-base. :salute :D
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Arlo go back to your Moon-base-meteor Thread!
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Arlo go back to your Moon-base-meteor Thread!
You're confused. That's not my moon-base, my Meteor or my thread.
I know you're excited about a perceived opportunity for a Luft squad
to ferry German planes to a CV for storage so that squad can make a
sneak attack off of it later on. I'm sorry you think it's a realistic wish.
And it's sad to see you waiver between what you feel best represents
history, based on your bias.
Carry on, Captain Moon-base. :salute
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Only 4 meteors landed in Belgium?
I can imagine the words...
"It's one small step for man, and one giant step for Anti-luft kind."
So Arlo, whatever you say Captain belgium-moon-base!
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I still don't see why its ok to land and re-arm any luft stuff on a CV at all.
Given that we can, why is stashing one plane per acct, even on only one CV per acct not acceptable.
What's wrong with a luft opps from a Japan carrier anyways? Fun for luft?
And yes it is already possible, just difficult to coordinate. Inconvienent.
There it is, HTC make sure luft has no fun, and as difficult as possible!
Captain belgim moon base meteor Arlo insists!
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I still don't see why its ok to land and re-arm any luft stuff on a CV at all.
Given that we can, why is stashing one plane per acct, even on only one CV per acct not acceptable.
You mean you don't even take into consideration any of the implications
or consequence of your own wishes? Seemed rather transparent to me.
Landing and re-arming any random plane that can land and take off from
a CV is merely taking advantage of what's coded into the game. When
doing so, the CV's location is most likely given away (no Luftwaffe or
even Doolittle Raid sneak attack from a CV that will eventually make its
way to position for such a day or two later will happen - in essence, no
spawning your 109 off the CV).
Just land your plane without the benefit of a tail hook (as is part of your
wish) then either sit on the deck for however long it takes to spring your
'surprise German CV attack' or take back off immediately. You may be forced
to take off sooner than anticipated since sitting on the deck when your CV
is discovered and attacked may not work out for you ... but too bad.
I applaud your effort in recommending such a work-around but you're
bound to know that both developer and community wouldn't take this
wish seriously, right? For attention purpose, it sufficed, though, didn't it?
Carry on. Captain Moon-base. :aok
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Only 4 meteors landed in Belgium?
I can imagine the words...
"It's one small step for man, and one giant step for Anti-luft kind."
So Arlo, whatever you say Captain belgium-moon-base!
Again, not my moon-base, my Meteors or my Belgium.
Alas, it is you 'Pwease pwease pwease wet me store my
109 on a CV so I can spawn fwum there wayter' wish. :aok
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Yeah but u tried to pass "whole squad" when it was 4 planes that source says went to begium...
They flew arround over paris probably just spreading propaganda like it was any part of a liberation force!
Your souce, your lie, you're captain belgium moonbase meteor!
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Yeah but u tried to pass "whole squad" when it was 4 planes that source says went to begium...
They flew arround over paris probably just spreading propaganda like it was any part of a liberation force!
Your souce, your lie, you're captain belgium moonbase meteor! :
Huh. I'm pretty sure my offering a wiki source isn't equivalent to going on a stupid wish rampage then trying to convince those that don't take me seriuosly that they are my kinda stupid-crazy. :lol