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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Wildcatdad on November 03, 2013, 04:39:45 PM
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Alright, I want your guys' input on this: What plane do you find has the best gunset for
1. Destroying bombers
2.Destroying GV's
3.Taking out fighters
4.De-acking/defueling bases
And what plane do you think has the best defensive armament? :salute
Okay,based on performance also for the first 4
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Alright, I want your guys' input on this: What plane do you find has the best gunset for
1. Destroying bombers
Me262 followed by Me410 followed by Bf110G-2.
2.Destroying GV's
Il-2 followed by Ju87G-2 followed by B-25H.
3.Taking out fighters
Mosquito Mk VI followed by F4U-1C followed by Tempest Mk V.
4.De-acking/defueling bases
De-acking: B-25H followed by Mosquito Mk VI followed by F4U-1C.
De-fueling: Me262 followed by Me410 followed by Bf110G-2.
And what plane do you think has the best defensive armament? :salute
B-29A followed by B-17G followed by B-24J.
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Alright, I want your guys' input on this: What plane do you find has the best gunset for
1. Destroying bombers
2.Destroying GV's
3.Taking out fighters
4.De-acking/defueling bases
And what plane do you think has the best defensive armament? :salute
1. If we are only talking about the guns: Me 410.
2. Il-2
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Best defensive: B-29, nothing else comes close.
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yeah what they said. Nevermind my suggestion of 8 .50 cals :lol
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Considering performance:
1: Me262
2: Il-2
3: Tempest Mk V
4: F4U-1C
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Alright, I want your guys' input on this: What plane do you find has the best gunset for
1. Destroying bombers 262 or f4uc
2.Destroying GV's il-2 or Stuka with 37s
3.Taking out fighters 109k or la7
4.De-acking/defueling bases p47-40 or the 38L
And what plane do you think has the best defensive armament? :salute
Okay,based on performance also for the first 4
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"Best bomber killer" in terms of guns only??? Easy. That would be the Me410 on TWO accounts.
First, the Me410's 50mm cannon truly is a 1 hit marvel. Once it connects with a bomber there is no question the bomber is going down.
Second, the Me410's dual 30mm delivers monstrous hitting power, at a high rate of fire, and at a very usable trajectory. Remember, the 30mm's on the Me410 are NOT the same as on the 262, 110, 190, or 109. The Me410's 30mm's are the Mk 103 30mmX184 and not the typical 30mmX90 most everyone has a love/hate relationship with found on the other German fighters. The Me410 when armed with the 30mm's is almost as deadly as the 50mm, the rate of fire is much higher and there are 6+ rounds hitting the target for every 1 round of 50mm. It depends on the pilot and technique used. The Me410's Mk 103 30mm's are much easier to use, they have a trajectory far more similar to the 20mm's than the Mk 108 30mm's. Try them and enjoy!
Third, I think it is hard to beat any quad 20mm armed fighter in terms of shooting down a bomber. Sure, the Mk 108 30mm found on many of the German aircraft offer massive hitting power, but they are not the easiest to gauge in terms of trajectory. I'll take the quad 20mmon the Fw190A-8 on most occasions. Oh, and don't forget the Tempest, Typhoon, F4U-1C, or even the Sea Hurricane or Hurricane IIC.
Vs tanks I believe the IL-2 has the advantage for one simple reason: ammo capacity. However, I think much like the "bomber killer" scenario there is more to think about than just 1 thing. The IL-2 ranks at the bottom in a couple of very important categories for me. The Hurri IID is faster, climbs better, rolls better, and has a far better view of the battlefield than the IL-2. The Stuka offers nothing more than the IL-2 other than a better view of the battlefield. However, it is far more gratifying to land kills in the Hurri IID and Stuka G-2 than the IL-2 as well. :aok The guns are all very similar. The IL-2 does seem to take a back seat in accuracy, too. But with 50 rounds per gun it doesn't matter. It is the ammo amount that really only separates them, the AP ability of each seems to be very similar.
For killing ack, keep it mind all it take is a single CANNON round in or near the auto ack/manned ack and the job is done. Anything AP needs a direct hit and that includes the US fighters with .50 cals. I can de-ack a small airfield using less than 20 rounds of 20mm from a 109. One shot per gun emplacement. Aircraft armed with the 37mm can do it as well, but they have far less ammo and a worse trajectory.
Bomber defensive armament? The B29 hands down. Then the B24 (more guns active more often than the B17), then the B17, then the B26. The G4M would be good as well, its rear 20mm is nice but I don't use it enough to be efficient with it.
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1.(Technique) I kill bombers with four 50 Cal's all the time.
2.Bombs (But now your a bomb tard) :neener:
3.(Good aim) Anything with good aim and proper shooting distance will work.
4.Amount and size.(many good choices in the game)
Hope i did not make it to simple. :D
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I always thought the 190A8 had a nice rack of guns with 2 30mm 2 20mm and some 50 cals, as far as the fighter planes are concerned. The Mosquito and the 110 are also nice to do some nasty damage to wirlbles/ostwinds ect. The thing about the 410 is you will mostly die before you get to your target. The me262 cost lots of money, and I wouldnt dare fly that thing close to a wirble/ostwind. The IL-2 is always a good tank buster too.
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I'll take the quad 20mmon the Fw190A-8 on most occasions.
The Hispano is superior due to ballistics and the Mossie's are centerline, hence the Mossie having the best anti-fighter gun package. Taking performance into account moves it to the Tempest.
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The Hispano is superior due to ballistics and the Mossie's are centerline, hence the Mossie having the best anti-fighter gun package. Taking performance into account moves it to the Tempest.
but I'll add that the moment anyone sees a mossie they are all over it.
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but I'll add that the moment anyone sees a mossie they are all over it.
Yeah, but the OP didn't qualify it with any performance consideration initially. Once he did I changed it to the Tempest.
That said, the Mossie maintains a respectable K/D ratio.
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1) Depends a bit on altitude, but: 262, 190A-8, Me 410
2) Ju-87G-2, Il-2, B-25H
3) Tempest, La-7, 109K
4) F4U-1C, 190F-8, Mossie VI
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1) Depends a bit on altitude,
How so?
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How so?
Handling, which I would consider to be a facet of a plane's performance. And at high altitude, I feel the A-8's handling suffers to such a degree that it offsets it's engine performance advantage over the 410.
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Handling, which I would consider to be a facet of a plane's performance. And at high altitude, I feel the A-8's handling suffers to such a degree that it offsets it's engine performance advantage over the 410.
But he didn't ask for the plane performance, his question was strictly about the "best gunset", that's why I wondered how altitude had any influence on the guns relative to each other,.
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But he didn't ask for the plane performance, his question was strictly about the "best gunset", that's why I wondered how altitude had any influence on the guns relative to each other,.
He revised it to include performance.
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I will argue that the best "Deacker" doesn't need great guns.
Personally I use the FW190F8 with 12 rickets and one bomb. Bomb on radar and rockets on ack. The old maps I could hit the auto guns in 2 passes. New maps it takes 3(trying to figure it out). Upon deack complete you will have a good amount of cannon left for anything from troops to fuel.
Best pork run was all auto/man gun down, dar down, and ord down. All auto includes town ack.
I feel 262s aren't good at attacking buffs. From a gunner side they are one of the easiest planes to hit. Yes they can explode planes pretty easy but they aren't good at taking a beating. I would use a 190.
Mossy easily has best gun/ views in game. Fighter on Fighter its the best for making the shot, not so much getting position for the shot.
Il2 best guns for sure but sense they needed the F3(Thank You HTC) I'd say the Stuka is best observer/tank killer. A20 being the best overall but we aren't talking about bombs here.
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Best is going to come down to what works for you. For buffs I like Jugs. For deacking I like the Dora or P-39Q or Yak-9T. Gv's I like the Hurricane IId. Taking out fighters? Man that list is long... Best defensive argument, B-29's, but they are very rare and usually very high. So I would say B-17's. Attacking a B-17 is like kicking a porcupine with flip flops on, you might hurt the porcupine, but it sure is gonna hurt when you kick it... :uhoh
:salute
Way
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Attacking a B-17 is like kicking a porcupine with flip flops on, you might hurt the porcupine, but it sure is gonna hurt when you kick it... :uhoh
:salute
Way
:rofl great analogy :aok
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I prefer the p38 because it has good guns, powerful engines, and an EXCELLENT 360 degree view. It can carry bombs, it can carry rockets, and it can fight with the best of them :joystick:
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I actually find the views on the P-38 to be mediocre due to the mid wings and twin engines.
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Best plane for shooting down bombers is a SPD They are great because their speed matches a B17 for a perfectly lined up dead six shot. 999000 <S>
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Best plane for shooting down bombers is a SPD They are great because their speed matches a B17 for a perfectly lined up dead six shot. 999000 <S>
I wonder how many easy kills that troll is going to get you :D
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4.De-acking/defueling bases
B-25H. No other plane in this game can deack a base from the ranges the B-25H can and you don't need to score a direct hit.
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B-25H. No other plane in this game can deack a base from the ranges the B-25H can and you don't need to score a direct hit.
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The reason I placed it at the top for deacking.
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The reason I placed it at the top for deacking.
a tank on a hill can deack for further out. but be realistic, a b25 wont be able to deack much with fighters around.
semp
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a tank on a hill can deack for further out. but be realistic, a b25 wont be able to deack much with fighters around.
semp
Or a manned gun. Or a wirb or ostie. Or an 88. The B-25H has a lot of potential, but there's just so few opportunities to apply its firepower before you yourself go down in a flaming wreck.
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a tank on a hill can deack for further out. but be realistic, a b25 wont be able to deack much with fighters around.
semp
True, but the original question was purely about gun packages so that wasn't a factor.
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True, but the original question was purely about gun packages so that wasn't a factor.
a tank does have a gun.
semp
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a tank does have a gun.
semp
But it can't fly :devil
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Or a manned gun. Or a wirb or ostie. Or an 88. The B-25H has a lot of potential, but there's just so few opportunities to apply its firepower before you yourself go down in a flaming wreck.
The only gun on an airfield that can hit the B-25H at far range is the 88mm AA, the other guns the B-25H can snipe at will beyond the AA range, same if there are any flak panzies on the field.
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The reason I placed it at the top for deacking.
Um... the Me410 can run circles around the B25H for de-acking purposes. I know this is an opinion, but still. The Me410's 50mm is flatter shooting, has faster follow up shots, and gosh darn it people like me.
The B25H is one of the last aircraft I'd take to de-ack a field. 75mm gun or not. Remember, a single 20mm in the area and "puuf" the ack goes up in smoke. No need to use a sledgehammer to kill a bug.
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I think for de-acking the P39 is actually the best. It has a 37mm cannon, dives like a bat outta hell, and is fairly small compared to the twin engine planes most use for de-acking. Only problem I have with the plane is it burns fuel like a transfer truck.
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I think for de-acking the P39 is actually the best. It has a 37mm cannon, dives like a bat outta hell, and is fairly small compared to the twin engine planes most use for de-acking. Only problem I have with the plane is it burns fuel like a transfer truck.
...and runs out of E faster than a 16 year old at his first rave.
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I think for de-acking the P39 is actually the best. It has a 37mm cannon, dives like a bat outta hell, and is fairly small compared to the twin engine planes most use for de-acking. Only problem I have with the plane is it burns fuel like a transfer truck.
Nothing wrong with using the 37mm HE (IL-2 uses AP), but again a single 20mm works just as well and it has a flatter trajectory, faster velocity, and dont forget the ammo load. At worst, a Yak has 120 rounds of 20mm and at best it has 35 (?) rounds of 37mm.
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...and runs out of E faster than a 16 year old at his first rave.
:)
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I still say the 190F8 is the best perk free deacker. Not because it has some overwhelming firepower, but because its armored.
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B-25H. No other plane in this game can deack a base from the ranges the B-25H can and you don't need to score a direct hit.
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I agree, for the question being asked, but it's a sitting duck when the horde of LA's and Spit 16's up to defend....
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The only gun on an airfield that can hit the B-25H at far range is the 88mm AA, the other guns the B-25H can snipe at will beyond the AA range,
the 37mm field guns can hit past 4.5k yds.
I've never seen a b25 hit a field gun I was in from 4.5k. They might try around 3k, but they ALWAYS miss. On the other hand, I've killed hundreds of planes at 4.5k with the 37mm field guns.