Aces High Bulletin Board
General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: seano on November 10, 2013, 04:20:07 AM
-
Who is the best p-51 pilot in the game? And not in the DA.
-
me.
-
Dunno but I chase them around fairly often , how do you tell which ones are the best ? , is it how quickly they are able to get separation when they leave ? , or how quickly they make it back when you engage another plane ?
-
TonyJoey
-
I can rocket vulch anyone anytime.
semp
-
Dunno but I chase them around fairly often , how do you tell which ones are the best ? , is it how quickly they are able to get separation when they leave ? , or how quickly they make it back when you engage another plane ?
Everything you said happens to me every single day in this game. There was one regular 51 flyer that was very good in a scrap but I haven't seen him around in a long time. Most of the rest are hand-holding, fraidy-cat pusscakes.
Now I remember, it was OLDemon. At least I think that was his name.
-
Dunno but I chase them around fairly often , how do you tell which ones are the best ? , is it how quickly they are able to get separation when they leave ? , or how quickly they make it back when you engage another plane ?
quoted for truth... :rofl :lol :rofl :lol
-
I don't know if OLDemon is still around, but 4 or 5 years ago he owned in the P51d. I do remember tangling Redd when he was in a Pony once and he made it dance.
Lambo
-
Pony Ds are just little, crunchy, 6 perk point containers.
-
TonyJoey
agreed
-
TonyJoey was the last guy to get the #1 fighter rank in a P51 a couple of tours back. He hasn't played since then and no other 51 guys have stood out...at least that I've seen. In the past there has been Grmreaper, Steve, OlDemon, SkatSr, Tango, Nigtmyr, and Pand. KrapShot was good, Paladin is okay but could be more aggressive, HighEye tries but lacks the gunnery to get out of bad situations.
But what I find interesting is most of the really good pilots in the game don't fly the 51. If Kappa, or Bruv (for example) chose to fly the pony exclusively they would be top pony dawg.
Also I remember Seano to be a handful in a 51. RedTop and AKDG too.
-
TonyJoey
:rofl all he ever does is run 1 maybe 2 sectors from me
-
:rofl all he ever does is run 1 maybe 2 sectors from me
That's the thing. I don't really like his style but it was effective for him. I find it extremely hard to knife fight in a 51 in the MA as you're usually out numbered or picked before you can reset. SkatSr, Steve and Oldemon were the best at that IMO. SkatSr being the best out of the three.
-
I am pretty sure it is one of three that is 5k above me... :uhoh
-
Who is the best p-51 pilot in the game? And not in the DA.
who picks the most
Pand
see above. bullcrap.
-
bullcrap.
again, you may not like his style but be was successful........same as Rocky and Rapier.
I have no doubts I could beat all three in a 1 on 1, but on paper they are the better pilots. The OP didn't ask who is the most popular.....big difference.
@ Revo...exactly my point a while ago. The best aces in the game don't usually fly the 51. Which really surprises me because it is such a great all around plane that can do so much more than BnZ and run away. But it does take experience to get down and dirty in. Perfect ride for the uber guys IMO.
-
My vote is for Batfink. I watched him turn fight a Spit V in a Pony D 1v1 deck merge in the DA and come out on top. :aok
That being said I don't think there is such a thing as a "good" Pony stick unless you're already engaged with two other people. :uhoh
-
again, you may not like his style but be was successful........same as Rocky and Rapier.
then im the bestestest 190D9 pilot ever? Its the same stupid statement.
He just doesnt know how to fight his way out from a wet paper bag.
-
TonyJoey
:aok
The pwnage FPH TonyJoey can and does apply in his P51D is awesome and to many incomprehensible. :old:
How so much Pony skill can be built up in one pilot is incredible, yet proven real in multiple fights. :old:
I was but a cheap toy for him to play with at will. :old:
Let there be no doubt. :old:
Let it be known. :old:
:salute FPH TonyJoey, imho the best P51D pilot likely ever... by far. :rock
-
then im the bestestest 190D9 pilot ever? ...
Having fought your D9, I must say FPH Pervert's D9 is better. :)
-
:aok
The pwnage FPH TonyJoey can and does apply in his P51D is awesome and to many incomprehensible. :old:
How so much Pony skill can be built up in one pilot is incredible, yet proven real in multiple fights. :old:
I was but a cheap toy for him to play with at will. :old:
Let there be no doubt. :old:
Let it be known. :old:
:salute FPH TonyJoey, imho the best P51D pilot likely ever... by far. :rock
I can't give him enough glory in the P51, but I have never fought him in a P51 co-alt co-speed fight.
:rolleyes:
-
then im the bestestest 190D9 pilot ever? Its the same stupid statement.
He just doesnt know how to fight his way out from a wet paper bag.
Right now I'd say you was top Dora dog.....if you can beat Pervert. Shawk was when he flew it and Moot too. I would consider you top 10 at the very least.
-
One of the guys mentioned in this thread killed me three straight times, all either picks or with significant altitude advantage over my 38G. After the third death, I upped a Pony and went Pony hunting. I bypassed every fight on the way and found said 51 stick, this time co-alt. He ran for his ack and did some of the most awful stick stirring I've ever seen right up until he blew up. A fearsome 51 pilot would not do this. :)
Pretty much any good stick that gets in a Pony will be a force. For whatever reason, the vast majority of dedicated Pony pilots don't really squeeze all the potential out of a Pony, instead relying on it's speed to disengage constantly. It's a shame, really.
-
:rofl all he ever does is run 1 maybe 2 sectors from me
Tony was fighting TitanMD once, in MA. I upped an LA7, to prevent the dweebs from running. I was watching him and Titan fight, at the first sight of losing TJ ran to his CV. I was forced to dive on him just to get him to fight, he didn't last long after being forced to fight Titan again.
I did fight him at a lower altitude once, while I was in a K4 and tatered him as he went under and over me.
Every other time he has beaten me because 99% of the time he is higher and faster. I don't believe in climbing over 10k to do anything except bomb. Just how I play the game, and people play the game differently.
In my honest opinion there are a lot of candidates for best P51 pilot. Need I remind everyone of the tour Bruv flew the P51 exclusively, it was almost impossible to kill him for the simple fact he used the planes advantages against your planes disadvantages. Higheye is a good P51 pilot, Afflux (LCA), 0Whiskey (LCA). . . .those are the only three that I know will fight you under any circumstance.
When it comes to picking TonyJoey , pacerr, Pand. . .has to be the top three picking P51 pilots in AH history.
-
One of the guys mentioned in this thread killed me three straight times, all either picks or with significant altitude advantage over my 38G. After the third death, I upped a Pony and went Pony hunting. I bypassed every fight on the way and found said 51 stick, this time co-alt. He ran for his ack and did some of the most awful stick stirring I've ever seen right up until he blew up. A fearsome 51 pilot would not do this. :)
Pretty much any good stick that gets in a Pony will be a force. For whatever reason, the vast majority of dedicated Pony pilots don't really squeeze all the potential out of a Pony, instead relying on it's speed to disengage constantly. It's a shame, really.
:aok It guess it's just human nature to take the path of least resistance and get out while you can. The majority of people in the game would rather win than lose and having a score/rank system..... and name in lights only adds to that. Rare is the player that takes off with the intent not to get some kills and go land. P51s get a bad rep because so many players, usually new ones, fly them. We all see Doras, Tempests and 262s doing the same thing. Just not in the numbers as P51s.
-
Pfffftt....
I was one of the orignal tnb ponies, showing it's capabilities... the I moved onto and did the same for the lala.
-
Right now I'd say you was top Dora dog.....if you can beat Pervert. Shawk was when he flew it and Moot too. I would consider you top 10 at the very least.
You think way too much of me. No kidding.
-
Pfffftt....
I was one of the orignal tnb ponies, showing it's capabilities... the I moved onto and did the same for the lala.
:lol it's bad form to brag on yourself. It kind of gives the impression of "look at me" .............just sayin'.
You respond to that and I'll know I got into your puny head. :D
-
I haven't seen him around in a while but SkatSr was probably the best of those who would actually turn and fight in it.
-
Back in the days of AH1 when The Damned ruled the skies, DmdDano was regarded as the top PonyD stick. Of course there were many very good P51 drivers but when Dano entered a furball, it disappeared rather quickly.
Hi Middy. Welcome back! :old:
PS
Yes, ScatSr was a demon.
-
I remember SkatSR and Steve were very good in P-51s. TonyJoey is very good in his P-51. I loved fighting Pand and his P-51B, he always gave me quite a hard time trying to get a shot on him. Paladin and the 4th Debden are some smart Pony pilots. I love running up against them because they will always work together and it makes the fight extremely difficult. Higheye loves his P-51 and he's slowly getting getting in it each time I see him. :)
The P-51 and their pilots get a lot of grief because of how they fly using BnZ tactics and the speed of the plane to escape danger. Everyone seems to expect every fight to be a slow, E draining, turn fight. You guys do realize that the TnB fight is just ONE way to dogfight right? BnZ IS another style of dogfighting and one that the P-51s excel at with its speed and ability to hold E. The very basics of dogfighting tells you to use your advantages against your opponents weaknesses and fight YOUR fight. A P-51 will never win a slow turn fight against an A6M, so why blow all your E to get into a turn fight that you will lose?
Also, I'm talking about using proper BnZ tactics. What we see a lot of times in the MA of the 1 P-51 diving in from 25K through a fight at 5K and then continuing on for 3 sectors of the deck is not Boom'n'Zoom. That pilot just mistook the 'Zoom' part as zooming away from the fight as fast as possible. The 'Zoom' means Zoom Climbing, using your excessive speed to climb back to altitude and reset for another attack. In the BnZ fight you want to line up a perfect approach, dive in, and get a killing shot on your target. If he sees you and avoids you and is now actively aware of you and fighting you, then you use your speed to climb, reset, and then slowly work him and force him to burn E so that he can't: 1- climb up to you, and 2- has no E to maneuver and avoid you.
The next time you see someone using "proper BnZ" tactics, don't immediately get on 200 and call them out for being "nooby" or "sucky". Instead, be aware that you are now on the receiving end of a BnZ fight, don't waste any E doing unnecessary maneuvering, slowly climb away from your attacker to gain altitude and separation, and fight back!
This was quite a long reply to a simple question. Sorry for the boring rant! :o ;)
I just love thinking about this kind of stuff and I could of kept going on, but I stopped myself. :rolleyes: :old:
-
No P51 pilot ever stands out because it's not hard to fly....there are a lot of guys who get a lot of kills in it for sure but most all the 5 any ez mode planes have that.
-
No P51 pilot ever stands out because it's not hard to fly....there are a lot of guys who get a lot of kills in it for sure but most all the 5 any ez mode planes have that.
The pony is easy to fly in the boom and run mode. Knife fighting with it is not so easy, yet the P-51 is much better at this then what people give it credit for. The problem is that the P-51 spoils its pilots till they forget that they can press the attack and stay within 1.5k of their target at all times. They are just so used to be able to fly away that they forget how to fight, as opposed to other planes that often force you to use other styles simply because you cannot simply wave bye-bye and leave everyone behind. P51-D is not a good turner, but it is a good fighter even without running.
-
I like the P-51D because I can fly it like I stole it and it stay together. I can take two 500 pound bombs go to a large field and pork all four ords and fly home. I have good luck killing bombers with it but I don't do much dog fighting because my frame rate is just to slow so I do more ground attack stuff but I love the P-51D. ;)
-
Pfffftt....
I was one of the orignal tnb ponies, showing it's capabilities... the I moved onto and did the same for the lala.
Given that I pwned your LA7 over a 1/3rd of the time (by your own admission and statistics), I very likely would do the same to your pony... TonyJoey's pony is unreal good.... and I seem to be unable to win. :joystick:
Your LA7 (ergo your Pony as well).... well... nuff said. :aok
Not to mention your Spitfire vs mine. :old:
<3 Shane
Pfffffft indeed. ;)
-
I love flying the P-51D. Standard mission profile for me is to start off 1 sector away from the fighting. 50% fuel. WEP climb to 10k, level off and cruise at military power. P-51 will cruise at 400mph at that altitude.
The P-51 can dogfight. Once speed is bled off and I find myself in a sticky situation, I use max flaps for maneuvering (retracting them asap). It turns better to the left (easier to control). When down on the deck and forced to duke it out, I try to make the fight a 2-circle fight (where my opponent is turning in the opposite direction of me). Of course the old addage "Always turn towards your attacker" applies here. If you can get so low that when the bandit has a firing solution that he has to push negative-G's, it usually spoils his shot. This is why it's important to make it a 2-circle fight, rather than a 1-circle. Low and at close range, it only takes one snapshot with the 6 .50s to rip the wings off pretty much anything. Judicious use of the rudder at these low speeds is important, as is unloading the aircraft every chance you get to regain some airspeed.
-
Anyone who doubts Joey can fly that thing should try and duel him in ponys. The MA is designed for sandbox play, don't ever judge the skill of a pilot by how they fly sometimes in the MA. Always take it 1 on 1 and make a judgement from there. Joey is one of the guys I would recommend as a role model for new players. He is mature, cool headed and friendly as well as holding a whole bag of ability.
-
One of the guys mentioned in this thread killed me three straight times, all either picks or with significant altitude advantage over my 38G. After the third death, I upped a Pony and went Pony hunting. I bypassed every fight on the way and found said 51 stick, this time co-alt. He ran for his ack and did some of the most awful stick stirring I've ever seen right up until he blew up. A fearsome 51 pilot would not do this. :)
Pretty much any good stick that gets in a Pony will be a force. For whatever reason, the vast majority of dedicated Pony pilots don't really squeeze all the potential out of a Pony, instead relying on it's speed to disengage constantly. It's a shame, really.
better with names bro! :D
-
Anyone who doubts Joey can fly that thing should try and duel him in ponys. The MA is designed for sandbox play, don't ever judge the skill of a pilot by how they fly sometimes in the MA. Always take it 1 on 1 and make a judgement from there. Joey is one of the guys I would recommend as a role model for new players. He is mature, cool headed and friendly as well as holding a whole bag of ability.
QFT!
-
better with names bro! :D
Triton is much more polite (mature?) than me, as it would be my style to throw all the crap that happened up on the table. Could tell you some stories though, with illustrious names playing roles in them, wanna hear them (again)?
Wont do that again. Expressed my feelings enough times. :rolleyes:
-
No P51 pilot ever stands out because it's not hard to fly....there are a lot of guys who get a lot of kills in it for sure but most all the 5 any ez mode planes have that.
Actually they do and have been named already.
-
Dunno but I chase them around fairly often , how do you tell which ones are the best ? , is it how quickly they are able to get separation when they leave ? , or how quickly they make it back when you engage another plane ?
WERD
-
Actually they do and have been named already.
I should have made it more clear...that's just my opinion.
Other rides in the game a lot harder to become "elite" in....such as m00t in a 152....those are the type people who stand out to me.
-
Yet there's other rides easier than the 51 to become "elite" in also...... wouldn't you agree?
-
Yet there's other rides easier than the 51 to become "elite" in also...... wouldn't you agree?
Yes...I would say hogs are easier to seem to be Elite in. Many pilots who can pick well are seen as great sticks in them but they can only fight when they have numbers and or alt.
-
RedBull is great in a P-51.
If I remember correctly, Kermit was actually quite good in a P-51.
-
No P51 pilot ever stands out because it's not hard to fly....there are a lot of guys who get a lot of kills in it for sure but most all the 5 any ez mode planes have that.
I would argue that a pilot who takes a low ENY ride outside it's comfort zone and wins consitantly is more elite than someone who plays it safe with a high ENY ride. The very few who can take a high ENY ride out of it's element and win consistantly are special. There are no ez mode planes but there are ez mode pilots (most of them) who won't push the envelope.
-
I loved fighting Pand and his P-51B
He's very good, too.
Lot's of guys are very good from my perspective and are likely great in any plane they choose to fly. Bruv, DrBone, and Thrila are a few that come to mind there, and there are probably a bunch of others, too.
-
better with names bro! :D
I never kiss and tell. :old:
-
From the perspective of somebody that uses the 51 a lot, there are less than a handful that are extremely good right now. There are a lot of very good 51 guys, but most will fly 'smart' and leave the engagement when they lose their advantage. The ones I consider extremely good are those that apply great cartoon-ish ACMs to their 51 while stall-fighting a superior turning enemy.
Most people can learn to be very good in the 51, come in with some type of advantage, and win the fight. Much fewer develop the skills to turn with 38's, Spits, 109 variants, and so forth.
From my flying in the 38, only one person in recent memory has stall-fought me and won while he was in a 51 and me in a 38. It felt like I was fighting myself. I also haven't fought 99% of those on Knights, as I've only changed countries a handful of times over the last year or two.
-
Has anybody mentioned BigR?
-
I would argue that a pilot who takes a low ENY ride outside it's comfort zone and wins consitantly is more elite than someone who plays it safe with a high ENY ride. The very few who can take a high ENY ride out of it's element and win consistantly are special. There are no ez mode planes but there are ez mode pilots (most of them) who won't push the envelope.
True but a P51s comfort zone is bigger then most people realize with those flaps...
-
Hangtime was a pretty good P-51 stick. Anyone remember the Hangtime/Fishu duel? :rofl :rofl :rofl
-
Yes...I would say hogs are easier to seem to be Elite in. Many pilots who can pick well are seen as great sticks in them but they can only fight when they have numbers and or alt.
Yeah, seems to be quite common these days
-
Many pilots who can pick well are seen as great sticks in them but they can only fight when they have numbers and or alt.
QFT :aok
A great pilot must have a very good SA, but also must know how to overshoot his opponent in a rolling scissors. And, whats the most important for me, uses his ACM knowledge when the opportunity is given for some more fun than a rope-a-dope.
-
any given Sunday....
-
Has anybody mentioned BigR?
+1. Best I've seen in a pony.....because he actually fights in it.
-
+1. Best I've seen in a pony.....because he actually fights in it.
:aok
-
ToneyJoey is one of only a few elite sticks I haven't killed. Maybe 0-4 against him, always in that PonyD. One of those mix ups included me in a F4F, which I rarely fly and likely didn't do well in. Regardless, he negated the obvious turn advantage and after 10 minutes killed me. Actually, two separate engagements over 10 minutes, we disengaged after the first one, with me missing a flap. He came screaming back in with proper PonyD set-up (read, the right advantages) and killed me. To Latrobe's point, you fly the bird how it was designed.
The bigger question, what to do about getting the best sticks to stick around.
Boo
-
There are no ez mode planes but there are ez mode pilots (most of them) who won't push the envelope.
Ya know, I'd be willing to bet that someone with an hour or so worth of instruction and still very green behind the ears can hold their own if they are in a Spitfire Mk XVI and the "vet" is in a P40C. Point being: the "easy mode" plane and the benefits they offer do very much exist. When a plane can (and does) make up for the lack of knowledge and skill it certainly bodes well for the player. When a player who has the knowledge and skill relies on an easy mode plane to get the advantage I think it speak volumes. That is the difference in those of us who are here to play arcade games vs those who are here to partake in the experience.
I've always said and I will always maintain that I'd rather fight like mad and work for every shot I get and barely lose while in a challenging plane (P40x, 109F/G2-6), etc) than to get an easy kill and land with name in lights in an easy mode plane (Spit16, La7, P51D, etc). It is so much more satisfying. But alas, to each his own.
-
Ya know, I'd be willing to bet that someone with an hour or so worth of instruction and still very green behind the ears can hold their own if they are in a Spitfire Mk XVI and the "vet" is in a P40C. Point being: the "easy mode" plane and the benefits they offer do very much exist. When a plane can (and does) make up for the lack of knowledge and skill it certainly bodes well for the player. When a player who has the knowledge and skill relies on an easy mode plane to get the advantage I think it speak volumes. That is the difference in those of us who are here to play arcade games vs those who are here to partake in the experience.
I've always said and I will always maintain that I'd rather fight like mad and work for every shot I get and barely lose while in a challenging plane (P40x, 109F/G2-6), etc) than to get an easy kill and land with name in lights in an easy mode plane (Spit16, La7, P51D, etc). It is so much more satisfying. But alas, to each his own.
Whats more satisfying is out flat turning a KI in a 51 after saddling up on him and shooting him down. Or staying on the deck all night killing 109's
-
...
The bigger question, what to do about getting the best sticks to stick around.
...
One must honour, admire, respect, and thank said best pilots... for they have earned same. :old:
When one encounters said best pilots one must put all best efforts into winning. :old:
Only then will said best pilots get some pleasure out of fighting wannabes. :old:
Although one must accept being but a cheap toy to them. :old:
When one does defeat said best pilots... :joystick:
...one should let it be known. :old:
Then offer a rematch. :old:
and win again. :old:
Then one will join said best pilots and they will stick around to attempt to push you off your perch. :old:
It is the circle of life. :old:
:airplane: :joystick: :banana:
-
Who is the best p-51 pilot in the game? And not in the DA.
Can you define "best"?
The reason I ask is there are several great 51 sticks out there depending on how you define great. BTW, successful and great aren't the same.
Steve for example had great gunnery, and great BNZ tactics. He could dive in, and pick you off of another con with impressive accuracy. He knew when to leave a fight, frequently flew with help and rarely got into a defensive position. If that is the criteria for "best", then he was at the top of the list. On rare occasion I caught Steve alone, and all I ever saw was a rapid extension.
To me, the best pilots have the willingness and ability to stay and fight, even from a disadvantaged position.
-
No P51 pilot ever stands out because it's not hard to fly....there are a lot of guys who get a lot of kills in it for sure but most all the 5 any ez mode planes have that.
Let's not forget the overall theme with the 51D....speed. That fortune smiles clearly on the Dora drivers who, with the exception of only a handful, fly it in the same manner the 51drivers fly theirs. I have only played for 7 years this December but I have never ever seen the running from co alt engagements as I have over the past 6 months. If they don't get an advantage on the initial merge, down to terra firma they go.
Yes, I fly the K4, a speedy little plane in its own right but I cannot make that choice as the speeds required to chase or evade would cause me great control issues from compression. Sure, trim....I'm fairly certain a manually trimmed plane is quite noticeable and just as sure it's an easy six shot for a Dora or 51. So maneuvering is the choice.
How about you Dora and 51 spinsters start trying to maneuver a little bit? Huh? Mmmkay? Learn your planes speeds, cornering and gunnery tendencies and put up a damn fight.
The great JUGgler said it best:
"With all the revenge left in the hanger, there is no excuse for timid flying"
-
Let's not forget the overall theme with the 51D....speed. That fortune smiles clearly on the Dora drivers who, with the exception of only a handful, fly it in the same manner the 51drivers fly theirs. I have only played for 7 years this December but I have never ever seen the running from co alt engagements as I have over the past 6 months. If they don't get an advantage on the initial merge, down to terra firma they go.
Yes, I fly the K4, a speedy little plane in its own right but I cannot make that choice as the speeds required to chase or evade would cause me great control issues from compression. Sure, trim....I'm fairly certain a manually trimmed plane is quite noticeable and just as sure it's an easy six shot for a Dora or 51. So maneuvering is the choice.
How about you Dora and 51 spinsters start trying to maneuver a little bit? Huh? Mmmkay? Learn your planes speeds, cornering and gunnery tendencies and put up a damn fight.
Dogfighting? In MY Aces High? Blasphemy! Dogfighting is a waste of time! The point of the game is to take bases and if you aren't going to do that then you should quit! :rolleyes:
-
Dogfighting? In MY Aces High? Blasphemy! Dogfighting is a waste of time! The point of the game is to take bases and if you aren't going to do that then you should quit! :rolleyes:
I know it.
I want a rematch....and I've never seen you in a Dora or 51
<S> .....hehehehe
-
Everything you said happens to me every single day in this game. There was one regular 51 flyer that was very good in a scrap but I haven't seen him around in a long time. Most of the rest are hand-holding, fraidy-cat pusscakes.
Now I remember, it was OLDemon. At least I think that was his name.
Thread over. 0lDemon.
-
I know it.
I want a rematch....and I've never seen you in a Dora or 51
<S> .....hehehehe
I fly the Dora when I need to stay fast to avoid/catch the masses of LA7's, Ponies, and Spit16's but I won't back down from a 1v1 if I can drag somebody away from the pack. As for the Pony I did a few sorties in it the last couple of tours trying to see what it's really capable of and I was very impressed. I was able to turn fight with K4's, Ki-84's, N1k's, some Spitfires and come out on top. A few times I had to extend and reset if the fight got slow and vertical but I really felt like I had the advantage on the merge with those high speed flaps which usually got me into a favorable position pretty quickly.
You can have a rematch anytime you want. :t <S>
-
Not speaking about TJ here because I don't think I've ever had a chance with him 1v1....judging by the sticks he beats I'd say I'd be lucky to win 1 out of 10 in any ride but some of these other pilots.....are what I was speaking about before. I've personally beat some of these sticks from the E-(Like they had 5 K alt advantage) while I was in a 152....a plane which below 10k is out classed by the pony in everything but the vertical. I for dang sure ain't nothing "special" in any ride.
-
Surprised nobody has said VansCrew yet...never seen him fly in the MA(was always in his team) but he for damn sure backed it up in the DA in any ride.
-
Midnight and Lucky,whom I flew with in the Nightmares,in Air Warrior,both would give you all you wanted in a P-51.
-
I really enjoy flying the pony but so many people fly it that I choose not to. I have been an engagement where there were 3 enemy p51's, 2 friendly p51's, and then me in my 109g2 lol. It does seem to be a very liked ride. It's funny though, I really think that Americans fly it mostly for nostalgia reasons.
We are told the p51 won the war and all this nonsense and it was the greatest plane in the air(blah blah blah) but I have always disagreed tremendously.
I think the best ride the Americans had was the p47 but then again I was not flying back in ww2!
*commence rant*
Disclaimer: I am an American and I am happy that the allies won WW2! I in no way support the axis efforts and what they did.
The thing people do not understand is that America came in at a time when Germany was stretched thin and struggling with supplies. Even with Germany lacking the supplies needed the air war was very much in favor of the Luftwaffe. What doomed the Luftwaffe was the fact that the allies were taking ground rapidly and the Luftwaffe suffered heavily from this. Another large factor was that their leaders were complete morons.
I would take a gamble and say had Germany not been struggling so much in the east, where most of the Luftwaffe were operating, the west would have not even been a challenge.
For example:
Replace Britain with America. Say that the Luftwaffe were knocking on America's door and were commencing an air operation which was supposed to cripple America. The American planes, as well as the pilots, would have been incredibly outmatched.
-
He's very good, too.
Lot's of guys are very good from my perspective and are likely great in any plane they choose to fly. Bruv, DrBone, and Thrila are a few that come to mind there, and there are probably a bunch of others, too.
:airplane: There are a lot of good "sticks" in this little game, but I witnessed "Pand" shoot down 9 "cons" in one sortie one evening during a fighter sweep. I saw each kill as I had his high 6. Another good stick in this game is Paliden3, who is very deadly in a 51D. :salute
P.S. Pand was in a 51B!
-
no discussion there, I'm (was) the best pony pilot EVER :aok
-
:airplane: There are a lot of good "sticks" in this little game, but I witnessed "Pand" shoot down 9 "cons" in one sortie one evening during a fighter sweep. I saw each kill as I had his high 6. Another good stick in this game is Paliden3, who is very deadly in a 51D. :salute
P.S. Pand was in a 51B!
No question that Pand is good. I've fought him before and can attest first hand. Other guys are of that caliber, too, but I'm not saying such level of skill is common. Those are the top 1% or less of the game.
-
no discussion there, I'm (was) the best pony pilot EVER :aok
This guy must have read the post above
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=omApdPl0ovI#t=10
-
I started my AH career over 6 years ago dealing with the likes of Steve and OlDemon. Both were hardcore Pony drivers to be admired. :aok
-
The number one attribute of the P51D is it's ability to fight but to gain a fighting advantage from a poor starting position or reset a lost fighting advantage. Best plane in the game for that.
-
WldThing and BigR stand out to me.
-
I likely will get smacked by some but Pand in my mind was prettygood in a pony close in. I've seen TonyJoey fight and would have to give him the nod tho.
Vans was really good as well...a TJ / Vans match would be very interesting.
-
I likely will get smacked by some but Pand in my mind was prettygood in a pony close in. I've seen TonyJoey fight and would have to give him the nod tho.
Vans was really good as well...a TJ / Vans match would be very interesting.
Pffft....TJ would smoke VC. Absolutely smoke him...VC doesn't even make the top 50.
-
I am always amazed at how everyone's impressions are different.
-
WldThing and BigR stand out to me.
I spent hours with wldthing racking the pony thru it's paces. He went on to become very, very good in that pony; one of my better "students/sparring partners."
:old:
-
When I need bomber I grab a B17...When I need a fighter I grab a B17...... 999000 <S>
-
Changeup...you obviously never 1v1 VC in the DA. He could tango with the best of them.
-
Changeup...you obviously never 1v1 VC in the DA. He could tango with the best of them.
That would be incorrect Junky. Mr Skyrock invited him to the squad 6 months ago and you know how I love to go to the DA, win or lose.
You also know where I spent the first two years of my AH life right? He and I met often there too.
But let's go a step further. Bat and theta (midway) were in the DA a while back dueling in 51s along with TJ. I joined in because I knew Theta was Midway but wanted to make sure. TJ and I dueled a couple of times (verify with TJ) in 51s.
There isn't any comparison between VC and Bat or TJ.
-
I spent hours with wldthing racking the pony thru it's paces. He went on to become very, very good in that pony; one of my better "students/sparring partners."
:old:
:rofl :rofl :rofl
You might be right, but this is just laughable :lol
-
There are a few truely great Pony sticks in the game. Most that fly her though aint them. At least not in the MA.
The P-51 is typically one of those planes I am least concerned with when I come across them in game
-
The P-51 is typically one of those planes I am least concerned with when I come across them in game
Given your propensity to vulch fields and the vulnerability of the 51 low and slow I'm not surprised by this statement.
-
That would be incorrect Junky. Mr Skyrock invited him to the squad 6 months ago and you know how I love to go to the DA, win or lose.
You also know where I spent the first two years of my AH life right? He and I met often there too.
But let's go a step further. Bat and theta (midway) were in the DA a while back dueling in 51s along with TJ. I joined in because I knew Theta was Midway but wanted to make sure. TJ and I dueled a couple of times (verify with TJ) in 51s.
There isn't any comparison between VC and Bat or TJ.
Word on the street....that VansCrew name may have been taken....and the one who joined the muppets....may have not been the real one.... :noid :noid :noid
False VC was only with the Pigs about 6-12 months when I initially joined the them around 7 years ago...and I joined before you.
-
One guy that is wicked in a pony is Higheye. 1 vs 1 and he will smote you. MA in a furball he will kick tail. Knows how to put it through the paces. Havent found to many that can beat him.
-
One guy that is wicked in a pony is Higheye. 1 vs 1 and he will smote you. MA in a furball he will kick tail. Knows how to put it through the paces. Havent found to many that can beat him.
Higheye knows how ACM works and is a good-willing fella, but no way he is a pony god. You possibly havent met those who play in an other league.
-
Higheye knows how ACM works and is a good-willing fella, but no way he is a pony god. You possibly havent met those who play in an other league.
or he is not able to tell their real ability yet
-
For me, two that always stood out...and were/are willing to get down and turn it are AKDG and bigR .....
they often get the upper hand straight off due the whoa they are turning...and from there...getting them off is nigh impossible..... horrible people they are....
-
Given your propensity to vulch fields and the vulnerability of the 51 low and slow I'm not surprised by this statement.
Given I rarely run into you in game. I doubt you know very much at all how I fly and I strongly suspect there are of those who would disagree with your statement. Unless of course you are one of the ones the prefers to run with the horde
Yes I'll vulch. Just like everyone else here bar none including you.
But its far from all I do or what I have a propensity to do.
Typically when I vulch I am hitting something at a base a horde is coming from those taking off are simply added targets of opportunity. I also do so because I know as soon as I show up. fully 10 of the 20 people looking to horde one of my bases are going to drop what they are doing and chase me around like a school of fish. And that too I do by design because I know you're as predictable as flock of sheep. All you clowns chasing me gives my side a chance to recover and respond en mass themselves
I stand by my words. Yes there are some truly outstanding Pony jocks. And I will be the first to say that. But again. Most that fly the pony the MA arent them. They are the exception and not the norm. In a given situation in muti con engagement even with the pony being high. I access the pony as being the least threat. I'd be much more concerned about the LA or F4 or spit because the likelihood that the pony driver is actually one of the good ones is remote.
-
Has anybody mentioned BigR?
BigR will take off low, stay low and fight anybody anytime anywere in his 51, excellent 51 stick IMO.
-
BigR will take off low, stay low and fight anybody anytime anywere in his 51, excellent 51 stick IMO.
hes my vote
-
I've noticed that the best don't write on the forum. And a lot of players haven't heard of them because they're not celebrity/acceptance seeking.
-
I started out in Air Warrior and I have been flying Aces High since day one in bata testing... I fly the pony pretty much exclusively other then bombers with the Devil
Dogs. The best way to see if the other pony drive is any good is by looking at their Kill ratio. Look at the score and notice how long it takes them fly three or four sectors ( something many furballer will never do) and survive deep in the enemy territory and land kills. I for one fly the pony to its strengths and I will also engage in turn fighting. Look for me at your nearest airfield. I'll be the one attacking... Note: my Kills per Death + 1 3.38 rank 125 ALL PONY... Bottom line is, if you want to get kills, learn how to survive first, the PONY will get you out of more bad situations then almost any other aircraft in AH. All good Pony drivers know this and will use it against you!
-
Yes I'll vulch. Just like everyone else here bar none including you.
This is a false statement. I will NEVER shoot a plane in the MA with wheels on concrete.
-
I've noticed that the best don't write on the forum. And a lot of players haven't heard of them because they're not celebrity/acceptance seeking.
:aok
-
I started out in Air Warrior and I have been flying Aces High since day one in bata testing... I fly the pony pretty much exclusively other then bombers with the Devil
Dogs. The best way to see if the other pony drive is any good is by looking at their Kill ratio. Look at the score and notice how long it takes them fly three or four sectors ( something many furballer will never do) and survive deep in the enemy territory and land kills. I for one fly the pony to its strengths and I will also engage in turn fighting. Look for me at your nearest airfield. I'll be the one attacking... Note: my Kills per Death + 1 3.38 rank 125 ALL PONY... Bottom line is, if you want to get kills, learn how to survive first, the PONY will get you out of more bad situations then almost any other aircraft in AH. All good Pony drivers know this and will use it against you!
The best can do both sir. Survive, fight and win with disadvantage, fight and win with advantage, and, even more specifically, drag you out and beat you to death 1 v 1 and have plenty of ammo left to do it 12 more times.
They also don't pay any attention to scores. I submit you aren't one of them based on your response.
-
Given I rarely run into you in game. I doubt you know very much at all how I fly.....
We run into each other more than you think....you are just not aware of it because a.) I'm not one you get kills on normally, b.) i can't climb up to you because of the E advantage you usually possess, and c.) I can't catch your Dora when you disengage.
Yes, everyone vulches once in a while....I just can't recall a time I've run into you where you are not vulching...which was the point of my statement.
I was not being critical of your style (to each their own)...I just found your comments ironic given the style of flying I've observed is very similar to that assigned to the "typical pony pilot" (if there is such a beast). I admit this may be an unfair assessment as my sample of observations is far from complete.
As for running with "the horde"...no, not really. I find that type of fight boring. That being said, like vulching one will at times find themselves with "the horde" on occasion. One of my frustrations these days is you can rarely find anyone flying alone or in small groups to engage away from the huge furball fights...but that is the nature of the game these days I suppose.
-
BigR will take off low, stay low and fight anybody anytime anywere in his 51, excellent 51 stick IMO.
You're not alone, I can guarantee EVERYONE in AH loves and admires low ponies just as much as you.
-
Anyone who doesn't list SkatSr and OlDemon as two of the top Pony pilots hasn't been around long enough to remember them.
OlDemon could really throw that thing around in a knife fight.
-
I pwn all P51 pilots.....well besides the ones who run away from me.... Next.
-
I remember OlDemon...he was good.
I admit I had forgotten about SkatSr.... :frown:
-
Id probably say as of right now, Tonyjoey is the best in the p51. He's the only one I see who consistently lands 8+more kills at one time in the p51. Not to mention hes a pretty good stick in the DA too.
Steve was pretty good, Oldemon was pretty good, Skatsr was good, I mean it's a p51 for christ sakes.
It's an easy mode plane, that has a decent turn rate but I woudn't be cought turn fighting someone who was good in a N1k or F4U.
Pretty much the plane is best for BnZ guys who like to run and extend all the time after they miss their initial shot.
I don't fly it often because I do not liking running, and most of the time, a spit, N1K, f4u, ki84, hurr, 109,sometimes a p47m def 11, yak, will always beat it in a turn/stall fight. The plane is exactly realistic as far as WW2, it's fast, dives great, decent acceleration, catch it in the climb its toast, catch it trying to stall fight, generally its toast.
arguing who is the best in a p51 is like arguing who is the best at Picking and running in the game.
-
:t
not saying im the best or anything, but I am becoming a better Pony pilot by using its advantage which is Speed. I would love to train with the best in the Pony since its my plane of choice...been flying for about 6 months, and I have much to learn. Higheye has been showing me the ropes, but Im always willing to learn some more tricks from some different dogs.
No disrespect , when I first played this game there was a handle that went by Adog31st or Adog81st Idunno, but he was a great trainer and pony pilot. Lately I been seeing the guy ROCKY own the sky in a Pony. TonyJoey is a beast, like Marshawn Lynch against an opposing defense, you need a team to stop him.
-
Calling it an easy mode plane repeating what you herd like a parrot, its a wrong statement.
A easy mode plane flys like an arcade game or in AW. Like a spit you can turn fight all day long pull out of a stall and need no real ability to keep from smacking the ground,like the Brew and a "few" other planes.
The 51 is just a fast plane but if you want to turn fight it is hardly an easy plane to be a success in. Unlike say a 109 or hog that can dive ,turn on a dime and great power at fighting speeds.
Looking at stats many planes are way better fighters then 51's ,so when i here its an easy mode plane i think your a kind of player the 8th man in chasing someone just cause you do and say what you here and see.
:aok
-
No disrespect , when I first played this game there was a handle that went by Adog31st or Adog81st Idunno, but he was a great trainer and pony pilot. Lately I been seeing the guy ROCKY own the sky in a Pony. TonyJoey is a beast, like Marshawn Lynch against an opposing defense, you need a team to stop him.
Tony is very good.
Rocky, on the other hand, is useless without bait.
-
Unlike say a 109
:aok
Wrong, wrong, wrong.
I am new to the 109 so by no means any experten. It doesn't turn right for poo. So how can it turn on a dime if it's behind you and you turn hard right? The only well, right-turning 109 variant is the F.
You should fly the 109 into a horde to check your math sir. The 109 does not turn on a dime. It does stop on a dime but that only gets you dead unless it's 1 v 2 and you are an incredible shot on the opponents overshoot.
You need to reconsider.
-
Tony is very good.
Rocky, on the other hand, is useless without bait.
+1,342,498
-
The 109 turns left n right just the same ;)
-
+1,342,498
+1,342,499
-
Tony is very good.
Rocky, on the other hand, is useless without bait.
Agreed. I like Rocky, but he does wait for the right moment to pounce and has a very limited number of viable options once he commits.
Tony is in another league altogether.
....
*Tony is in another league...all together*
-
Calling it an easy mode plane repeating what you herd like a parrot, its a wrong statement.
A easy mode plane flys like an arcade game or in AW. Like a spit you can turn fight all day long pull out of a stall and need no real ability to keep from smacking the ground,like the Brew and a "few" other planes.
The 51 is just a fast plane but if you want to turn fight it is hardly an easy plane to be a success in. Unlike say a 109 or hog that can dive ,turn on a dime and great power at fighting speeds.
Looking at stats many planes are way better fighters then 51's ,so when i here its an easy mode plane i think your a kind of player the 8th man in chasing someone just cause you do and say what you here and see.
:aok
I have to disagree to an extent... The 51 is a pretty decent turner compared to a 190D (the next most timidly flown plane). The 51 offers a great deal more than 99% of the players give it credit for. Too many players (including the "great" 51 drivers) have a "one pass haul (you know)" mentality. Sure, there are a few that actually will stay around and fight even from a disadvantage. I respect those that do far more than the guy with a 9-1 KD who only picks from the edges of a fight, diving out and running to their ack when a dot appears higher than them.
Of course, I may see more of these sissy's because I go looking for them. I laugh with glee when they go from 18K to the deck trying to stay alive.
-
Wrong, wrong, wrong.
I am new to the 109 so by no means any experten. It doesn't turn right for poo. So how can it turn on a dime if it's behind you and you turn hard right? The only well, right-turning 109 variant is the F.
You should fly the 109 into a horde to check your math sir. The 109 does not turn on a dime. It does stop on a dime but that only gets you dead unless it's 1 v 2 and you are an incredible shot on the opponents overshoot.
You need to reconsider.
The 109g2 turns about as good as the F. If you ever plan on turning do not bring gunpods as it will decrease your moves significantly.
In a situation where your enemy turns right and enters a 180 degree turn you could pull up, and then turn left and back onto his 6.
The 109 does have a little trouble with turn rate to the right due to the power of the engine pulling left, however this can be solved through trim adjustments if it bothers you enough.
I personally do not feel that the difference is so drastic that I have to really worry about it. I do my best to stay out of turn fights when I am flying the 109 especially with a spitfire, la, or zero. Some are unavoidable though!
The cool thing with the 109's are the slats on the wings that kick in when you are getting too slow. They give you a little boost in your turn but beware! Push your plane to hard in a turn with slats out and you will find yourself in a first class trip to the ground!
I am fairly new(1 month) but I have flown the 109 exclusively in other games and know how she handles pretty well. Knowing how to adjust the throttle, kick WEP on, and using flaps all at the right time(along with trim), will help you in defeating a better turning plane than you. It is not an easy task though :joystick:
-
Wrong, wrong, wrong.
I am new to the 109 so by no means any experten. It doesn't turn right for poo. So how can it turn on a dime if it's behind you and you turn hard right? The only well, right-turning 109 variant is the F.
You should fly the 109 into a horde to check your math sir. The 109 does not turn on a dime. It does stop on a dime but that only gets you dead unless it's 1 v 2 and you are an incredible shot on the opponents overshoot.
You need to reconsider.
You can out turn many many planes to the left though,and get off the throttle a bit i'll turn right with a lot.I fly em a lot and love em,but they are really good turners.
-
I have flown the 109 for many many years in AH..
the 109 is not the best turner in the game.
However, it can turn quite well unexpectedly if you are not careful. The plane has great low and slow characteristics as far as stalling below 130 mph. It can handle the rolling scissors better than most planes in the game. I use a secret tactic about to the roll and engine that I will not share on the BB.
any 109 will beat the hell out of any p51 1 v 1. The p51 only has a speed/dive advantage.
No the 109 does not dive well. above 460, your looking at ailerons, elevators freezing up, death if not careful.
the E and F series 109s can out turn most spit pilots in the game. Spit V may give it a hard time.
I love 1 v 1 almost any plane in the 109 cause it can trump most unexpected pilots. The hardest fights are against a good N1K, Ki84, a good spit, or F4U. Typically you work it into a furball, your not looking for speed or alt measures, you mainly attack co-alt, or lower planes and use slight E advantage to use the cut inside maneuver and knock them down.
The 109 has some of the best defensive over shoot tactics to use against BnZers.
Personally I think it takes way more skill to learn the 109s than the p51, If the P51 had a better turn rate it would be a beast of a plane, but most people are afraid to get low and slow in the MA.
-
You can out turn many many planes to the left though,and get off the throttle a bit i'll turn right with a lot.I fly em a lot and love em,but they are really good turners.
My point is that if you do give up your six to a 109 variant other than the F, you have an easy escape plan and the G2 doesn't turn as well as the F. In fact, even if the G2 did turn as well, you'd give up all that turning advantage in slow speeds because it's a death trap in stall fights while the F and other variants are not. They take some getting used to but once you make some adjustments they are just fine. The G does not test positive for awesome
-
The 109g2 turns about as good as the F. If you ever plan on turning do not bring gunpods as it will decrease your moves significantly.
In a situation where your enemy turns right and enters a 180 degree turn you could pull up, and then turn left and back onto his 6.
The 109 does have a little trouble with turn rate to the right due to the power of the engine pulling left, however this can be solved through trim adjustments if it bothers you enough.
I personally do not feel that the difference is so drastic that I have to really worry about it. I do my best to stay out of turn fights when I am flying the 109 especially with a spitfire, la, or zero. Some are unavoidable though!
The cool thing with the 109's are the slats on the wings that kick in when you are getting too slow. They give you a little boost in your turn but beware! Push your plane to hard in a turn with slats out and you will find yourself in a first class trip to the ground!
I am fairly new(1 month) but I have flown the 109 exclusively in other games and know how she handles pretty well. Knowing how to adjust the throttle, kick WEP on, and using flaps all at the right time(along with trim), will help you in defeating a better turning plane than you. It is not an easy task though :joystick:
I am up for a turn test in the DA purely for test data. You fly the G2 and I'll fly the F. Then we can switch. There is no way, with trim or without it the G2 will turn with the F. The G will be in knots in 3 mins or less.
-
I am up for a turn test in the DA purely for test data. You fly the G2 and I'll fly the F. Then we can switch. There is no way, with trim or without it the G2 will turn with the F. The G will be in knots in 3 mins or less.
I agree with changeup in AH david, the F turns circles around any G model.
The F is like a spit, only better if you ask me.
a g2 should beat a g14 and k4 in a turn fight depending on the pilot. Technically the G2 does out turn the G6,14, and K model with = skill ability.
-
My point is that if you do give up your six to a 109 variant other than the F, you have an easy escape plan and the G2 doesn't turn as well as the F. In fact, even if the G2 did turn as well, you'd give up all that turning advantage in slow speeds because it's a death trap in stall fights while the F and other variants are not. They take some getting used to but once you make some adjustments they are just fine. The G does not test positive for awesome
Okay,and non of that has anything to do with my first statement. :D
And i agree.
:aok
-
The 109g2 turns about as good as the F. If you ever plan on turning do not bring gunpods as it will decrease your moves significantly.
In a situation where your enemy turns right and enters a 180 degree turn you could pull up, and then turn left and back onto his 6.
The 109 does have a little trouble with turn rate to the right due to the power of the engine pulling left, however this can be solved through trim adjustments if it bothers you enough.
I personally do not feel that the difference is so drastic that I have to really worry about it. I do my best to stay out of turn fights when I am flying the 109 especially with a spitfire, la, or zero. Some are unavoidable though!
The cool thing with the 109's are the slats on the wings that kick in when you are getting too slow. They give you a little boost in your turn but beware! Push your plane to hard in a turn with slats out and you will find yourself in a first class trip to the ground!
I am fairly new(1 month) but I have flown the 109 exclusively in other games and know how she handles pretty well. Knowing how to adjust the throttle, kick WEP on, and using flaps all at the right time(along with trim), will help you in defeating a better turning plane than you. It is not an easy task though :joystick:
get your head checked you possibly think the g series can turn with the f model.
I honestly think the plane turns the same left or right. ONLY problem with going right it that you really gotta yank it over to ROLL right at slow speeds.
-
I have flown the 109 for many many years in AH..
the 109 is not the best turner in the game.
However, it can turn quite well unexpectedly if you are not careful. The plane has great low and slow characteristics as far as stalling below 130 mph. It can handle the rolling scissors better than most planes in the game. I use a secret tactic about to the roll and engine that I will not share on the BB.
any 109 will beat the hell out of any p51 1 v 1. The p51 only has a speed/dive advantage.
No the 109 does not dive well. above 460, your looking at ailerons, elevators freezing up, death if not careful.
the E and F series 109s can out turn most spit pilots in the game. Spit V may give it a hard time.
I love 1 v 1 almost any plane in the 109 cause it can trump most unexpected pilots. The hardest fights are against a good N1K, Ki84, a good spit, or F4U. Typically you work it into a furball, your not looking for speed or alt measures, you mainly attack co-alt, or lower planes and use slight E advantage to use the cut inside maneuver and knock them down.
The 109 has some of the best defensive over shoot tactics to use against BnZers.
Personally I think it takes way more skill to learn the 109s than the p51, If the P51 had a better turn rate it would be a beast of a plane, but most people are afraid to get low and slow in the MA.
And all this basically agrees with my main points,its hardly an easy mode plane,its just fast. :salute
-
I have flown the 109 for many many years in AH..
I use a secret tactic about to the roll and engine that I will not share on the BB.
Wow, you are soooooo special... :rofl :rofl :rolleyes:
-
Wow, you are soooooo special... :rofl :rofl :rolleyes:
totally!!! harhar :D
-
totally!!! harhar :D
secrets don't make friends :old:
-
secrets don't make friends :old:
What if it is a secret that you are friends :old:
-
Tall fences make good neighbors though.. :old:
-
Tall fences make good neighbors though.. :old:
LoL +1
The best neighbors wave too me from a distance and never stop too chat.
-
I am up for a turn test in the DA purely for test data. You fly the G2 and I'll fly the F. Then we can switch. There is no way, with trim or without it the G2 will turn with the F. The G will be in knots in 3 mins or less.
Agreed.
It especially won't turn with a F when I fly it....I always fly with gondolas! Main reason I prefer the G2 over the F (tho' the F is a fun plane). With my crappy gunnery the greater lead flying through the air the better. :D
-
Agreed.
It especially won't turn with a F when I fly it....I always fly with gondolas! Main reason I prefer the G2 over the F (tho' the F is a fun plane). With my crappy gunnery the greater lead flying through the air the better. :D
ME too fulc
Id rather hit them with 8 20mm cannons on the first snap shot, than fly around for 10 more minutes pinging them 1 or 2 silly 20mm... thats how you get picked right there..
most people will tell you the lighter plane is better,,,, but i beg to differ hehehe.
-
ME too fulc
Id rather hit them with 8 20mm cannons on the first snap shot, than fly around for 10 more minutes pinging them 1 or 2 silly 20mm... thats how you get picked right there..
most people will tell you the lighter plane is better,,,, but i beg to differ hehehe.
410 duty for you :neener:
-
I know the F can out turn the G. I never said the G can turn with the F.
To JO: The reason you have to yank so hard to roll over to the right is because the 109 engine's torque pushes so hard to the left.
-
I know the F can out turn the G. I never said the G can turn with the F.
To JO: The reason you have to yank so hard to roll over to the right is because the 109 engine's torque pushes so hard to the left.
(David, just a hint here. JO is about as good as they get in the game we call AH. He's knows this. He was just letting you know that he knows. <insert smiley face here>)
-
All the 109's have some difficulty rolling or banking to the right at low airspeeds and high power settings but other than that they will turn right or left just fine!
The G14 has the most trouble banking right at low speeds with WEP because of the huge increase in power and torque. As for the G2 out turning the F well I don't think so,atleast not in radius,it may have a slight advantage in DPS but I would have to check the stats to be certain.
Oh and there's a small window in which the 109's can gain angles on a spit,once speed drops to about 190mph you can deploy flaps with the 109 and this will gain you a slight angle advantage. That said if you fly the 109 where you need to gain an angle in a 1 circle fight you are going about it wrong.
YMMV!
:salute
-
All the 109's have some difficulty rolling or banking to the right at low airspeeds and high power settings but other than that they will turn right or left just fine!
The G14 has the most trouble banking right at low speeds with WEP because of the huge increase in power and torque. As for the G2 out turning the F well I don't think so,atleast not in radius,it may have a slight advantage in DPS but I would have to check the stats to be certain.
Oh and there's a small window in which the 109's can gain angles on a spit,once speed drops to about 190mph you can deploy flaps with the 109 and this will gain you a slight angle advantage. That said if you fly the 109 where you need to gain an angle in a 1 circle fight you are going about it wrong.
YMMV!
:salute
They all turn right, yes sir. They just do it real, real ugly.
-
Like I said, the 109 has a special right turn maneuver. Its deadly and catches most off guard. I shall not speak any further on this detail.
-
They all turn right, yes sir. They just do it real, real ugly.
Well I guess that depends on who's flying it because I think I look quite good going right in a 109.... :neener:
All you need do is reduce power slightly,roll to the right to set bank angle then turn.You need to reapply power smoothly so you don't snap it over to the left,this is especially important with the G14 do to the large increase in torque and power with WEP.
YMMV.
:salute
-
We run into each other more than you think....you are just not aware of it because a.) I'm not one you get kills on normally, b.) i can't climb up to you because of the E advantage you usually possess, and c.) I can't catch your Dora when you disengage.
Yes, everyone vulches once in a while....I just can't recall a time I've run into you where you are not vulching...which was the point of my statement.
I was not being critical of your style (to each their own)...I just found your comments ironic given the style of flying I've observed is very similar to that assigned to the "typical pony pilot" (if there is such a beast). I admit this may be an unfair assessment as my sample of observations is far from complete.
As for running with "the horde"...no, not really. I find that type of fight boring. That being said, like vulching one will at times find themselves with "the horde" on occasion. One of my frustrations these days is you can rarely find anyone flying alone or in small groups to engage away from the huge furball fights...but that is the nature of the game these days I suppose.
Well then. What do you normally fly? I don't see how you couldn't have gotten a kill on me when I am at your base unless you're flying something really slow. Everyone elses manages to. You are probably timing your turns wrong and burning too much e trying to stay with me when I do my low alt split S or slash and dash.
But survival isnt my main goal when you see me harassing bases like that. My main goal is to be as annoying as possible and keep as many people busy as possible for as long as I can. LOL For example I counted no less then 8 people chasing me the other night. If one person can keep 8 people occupied for only a couple of minutes. Thats 8 less people my home base has to defend against and often is just enough time to turn the advantage in our favor or at least enough time to regroup.
Believe it or not. The vast majority of kills you hear of me getting are not from vulches. I usually dont survive those runs on bases to be able to RTB. And when I do if the number is significant. I'll say they were vulches to the WTGs.
And I prefer the evenly matched furball to the horde or either side. But often. We are dealing with a horde so I do whats needed as opposed to what I want
-
I know the F can out turn the G. I never said the G can turn with the F.
To JO: The reason you have to yank so hard to roll over to the right is because the 109 engine's torque pushes so hard to the left.
Also most people break left. So the reaction is what they are used to as opposed to breaking to the right
-
I am new to the 109 so by no means any experten.
Plenty of players that know why more then me about 109's and Morf whom is a great trainer have been trying to explain.
I like you but stop trying to be right. :neener:
:cheers:
-
As far as running into a Pony co E, getting surprised by how its handled and getting killed, BigR stands out.
-
Like I said, the 109 has a special right turn maneuver. Its deadly and catches most off guard. I shall not speak any further on this detail.
indeed once perfected you can get some good ol fashion kills.
-
(David, just a hint here. JO is about as good as they get in the game we call AH. He's knows this. He was just letting you know that he knows. <insert smiley face here>)
I know the F can out turn the G. I never said the G can turn with the F.
To JO: The reason you have to yank so hard to roll over to the right is because the 109 engine's torque pushes so hard to the left.
:noid :bolt: :airplane: :joystick:
-
All the 109's have some difficulty rolling or banking to the right at low airspeeds and high power settings but other than that they will turn right or left just fine!
The G14 has the most trouble banking right at low speeds with WEP because of the huge increase in power and torque. As for the G2 out turning the F well I don't think so,atleast not in radius,it may have a slight advantage in DPS but I would have to check the stats to be certain.
Oh and there's a small window in which the 109's can gain angles on a spit,once speed drops to about 190mph you can deploy flaps with the 109 and this will gain you a slight angle advantage. That said if you fly the 109 where you need to gain an angle in a 1 circle fight you are going about it wrong.
YMMV!
:salute
cant agree more with the last state meant.
I'd like to add that with a 109 vs spit match up the 109 has more flaps that can also deploy at higher speeds (like morph said) but the 109 also IMO has an ability to use climb more than a spit. The spit can turn, but can't turn and climb like the 109 can.
-
Plenty of players that know why more then me about 109's and Morf whom is a great trainer have been trying to explain.
I like you but stop trying to be right. :neener:
:cheers:
Morf knew what point I was trying to make and did a much better job pointing out what I did not. Throttle back I right turns in 109s. Alas, my point made. In other planes you don't have to do that.
So, do it twice in right flat turns and you escape. Unless your fighting Sunsfan and guess which way he never turns when you turn right? Lol. He goes up. See what I did there?
I'm super glad you like me
-
Just fly and stop thinking of the technicalities of the game. :old:
-
Morf knew what point I was trying to make and did a much better job pointing out what I did not. Throttle back I right turns in 109s. Alas, my point made. In other planes you don't have to do that.
So, do it twice in right flat turns and you escape. Unless your fighting Sunsfan and guess which way he never turns when you turn right? Lol. He goes up. See what I did there?
I'm super glad you like me
<3
-
Like I said, the 109 has a special right turn maneuver. Its deadly and catches most off guard. I shall not speak any further on this detail.
You should come up with a special name for this maneuver......... :aok or we could all vote on one :D
-
Just fly and stop thinking of the technicalities of the game. :old:
This is actually the best advice most of the time