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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: wpeters on November 12, 2013, 02:05:29 PM
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Thoughts on it :confused:
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why? :cool:
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How do fight them.. Going to try to learn to fly them and want suggestions Please :pray
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How do fight them.. Going to try to learn to fly them and want suggestions Please :pray
stay fast, they are slow.
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When I fight them, I know I always go vertical, and they're pretty unhappy about it.
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How do fight them.. Going to try to learn to fly them and want suggestions Please :pray
First, know that you're in one of the best knife fighters in the game (few can out turn you). Second, know that a great many planes can out run you (few are slower than you). Third, know that your ammo is limited (60rds/cannon). Be sure your shots are precise.
Once you get those three key items in your head, learn how different it handles at different speeds. You'll really need to know the different roll rates. Learn how it accelerates, learn how well it climbs with and without E. Learn where the stall point is.
It is a very steady and forgiving aircraft to fly. The biggest things to know is you're lack of speed and you're lack of ammo. It isn't a bomber hunter or tank buster, it is a pure air superiority fighter.
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Thoughts on it :confused:
The Spit V is a shell of what is used to be. That's my thought on it.
ack-ack
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First, know that you're in one of the best knife fighters in the game (few can out turn you). Second, know that a great many planes can out run you (few are slower than you). Third, know that your ammo is limited (60rds/cannon). Be sure your shots are precise.
Once you get those three key items in your head, learn how different it handles at different speeds. You'll really need to know the different roll rates. Learn how it accelerates, learn how well it climbs with and without E. Learn where the stall point is.
It is a very steady and forgiving aircraft to fly. The biggest things to know is you're lack of speed and you're lack of ammo. It isn't a bomber hunter or tank buster, it is a pure air superiority fighter.
All true. In addition, because the Spit regains energy so quickly, use your throttle a lot.
- oldman
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All true. In addition, because the Spit regains energy so quickly, use your throttle a lot.
- oldman
Not the Spit V. It is pretty sluggish.
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I disagree, I've found few planes to be as responsive to the throttle as the Spit 5. It's an AWESOME stall fighter, and a quick chop of the throttle will keep you from getting hit, if timed well. Like most spits, keep full power in left turns, no flaps, or very quick on/off to help in the turn. Right turns will be your best.
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Not the Spit V. It is pretty sluggish.
Compared to what? Other Spits?
- oldman
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Compared to what? Other Spits?
- oldman
Other Spits, Bf109s, Fw190s, N1Ks, A6Ms, Ki-84s, Yak-3s and 9Us, Lavochkins, Ki-43s and P-38J and Ls. Some others too.
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Other Spits, Bf109s, Fw190s, N1Ks, A6Ms, Ki-84s, Yak-3s and 9Us, Lavochkins, Ki-43s and P-38J and Ls. Some others too.
With the exception of the other Spits (fairly obvious), Zekes and Oscars, I contest this.
- oldman
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With the exception of the other Spits (fairly obvious), Zekes and Oscars, I contest this.
- oldman
Lol, 109's and 190's are known for their superb climb and acceleration. The La-7 and Yak-3 ate certainly superior.
Face it, the spit V is solidly below average.
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With the exception of the other Spits (fairly obvious), Zekes and Oscars, I contest this.
- oldman
For example:
(http://i1145.photobucket.com/albums/o507/Snaildude/spitv_zpsb7b5fe1c.jpg)
http://gonzoville.com/ahcharts/index.php
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Per those charts the Spit V loses to the P-51D, Bf109F-4 and Mosquito Mk VI (old slower version) in an acceleration contest.
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Other Spits, Bf109s, Fw190s, N1Ks, A6Ms, Ki-84s, Yak-3s and 9Us, Lavochkins, Ki-43s and P-38J and Ls. Some others too.
The spit5 feels sluggish compared to a 190? Sir, what are you drinking? Flying anything else after a 190 made me feel that i was the god of the turnfights.
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The spit5 feels sluggish compared to a 190? Sir, what are you drinking? Flying anything else after a 190 made me feel that i was the god of the turnfights.
Acceleration is the thing being discussed and the Fw190 handily out accelerates the Spitfire Mk V.
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I'm curious, how does it compare to the Boston III?
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I'm curious, how does it compare to the Boston III?
Using climb rate as a stand in for acceleration, the Spitfire Mk V handily out accelerates the Boston Mk III:
(http://www.hitechcreations.com/components/com_ahplaneperf/genchart.php?p1=17&p2=65&pw=2>ype=2&gui=localhost&itemsel=GameData)
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Doesn't look like a HUGE difference without WEP on the deck.
Kind of telling :bolt:.
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Using climb rate as a stand in for acceleration, the Spitfire Mk V handily out accelerates the Boston Mk III:
(http://www.hitechcreations.com/components/com_ahplaneperf/genchart.php?p1=17&p2=65&pw=2>ype=2&gui=localhost&itemsel=GameData)
Take these graphs with a grain of salt. I am pretty sura that for bombers the use 100% fuel and bombs in the bay.
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Acceleration is the thing being discussed and the Fw190 handily out accelerates the Spitfire Mk V.
Idk i just dont feel like that my Dora was accelerating that well - true, its very rare to see a SpitV in the MA.
The climb rate advantage is rather theoretical though, as the SpitV can stay nose-up much longer, due to its slower stall speed and much better low-speed handling. When i was trying to rope one, needed much more speed advantage over him than (lets say) a much better climbing P38. True, against the 38, the Dora might can turn in some circumstances, against a SpitV, its absolutely no chance. Again, its just how it "felt".
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Idk i just dont feel like that my Dora was accelerating that well - true, its very rare to see a SpitV in the MA.
The climb rate advantage is rather theoretical though, as the SpitV can stay nose-up much longer, due to its slower stall speed and much better low-speed handling. When i was trying to rope one, needed much more speed advantage over him than (lets say) a much better climbing P38. True, against the 38, the Dora might can turn in some circumstances, against a SpitV, its absolutely no chance. Again, its just how it "felt".
The reality of the MA is a bit different than a pure drag race test. If a spit V catches your 190 while having a speed advantage to start with, the 190 will not be able to simply hit WEP, out accelerate the Spit and fly away. The 190 will have to maneuver and every movement of the stick costs a lot of energy, as opposed to the Spit that maneuvers with little loss of energy.
Planes that climb well at slow speeds are tricky to rope. You may zoom much higher than them, but also likely to start coming down while they are still pointing up. Some planes like the Spit16 and Yak3 are capable of incredible climb rates at speeds of 100 mph and lower. While I think it may not be perfectly accurate to real life, this is how they handle in the game. Such a climb at low speeds means a high angle and add ~15 degrees AoA on top of that and you get a STEADY fast climb while pointing ~45 degrees above the horizon. From the roper point of view they appear to be "floating" up. The only way to rope such planes unless you can decisively out-climb them (109K4 perhaps), or start with a massive speed advantage is in a VERY steep zoom, forcing them to point nearly 90 degrees up.
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The only way to rope such planes unless you can decisively out-climb them (109K4 perhaps), or start with a massive speed advantage is in a VERY steep zoom, forcing them to point nearly 90 degrees up.
This is what i meant, thanks. The only thing is, the K4 isnt that good, nor the Spit14 is, for the reasons you said: they climb very well, but at a higher speed. A Spit16 can defend against a BnZ attack much easyer than a K4, and not only becouse of its better turn rate.
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Acceleration is the thing being discussed and the Fw190 handily out accelerates the Spitfire Mk V.
You're talking Doras; I was thinking the As. But it looks like you are right and I was wrong.
Although at turn fight speeds they're pretty close.
- oldman
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The Fw 190 handily out everythings the Spit V except turning circle. That's why it was the scourge of Fighter Command from the moment it appeared on the Western Front at Abbeville in August 1941, and until the British managed to shoehorn a bigger Merlin into a Spit V creating the Spit IX.
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Whats the thoughts on the spit 8 then?
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This is what i meant, thanks. The only thing is, the K4 isnt that good, nor the Spit14 is, for the reasons you said: they climb very well, but at a higher speed.
Both can overcome that with sheer horsepower. While its not as good as if you took a 109F and slapped the DB 605DC engine on it, its still damn impressive.
A Spit16 can defend against a BnZ attack much easyer than a K4, and not only becouse of its better turn rate.
Arguable. Perhaps for the short term, yes. But nothing (free) in the game seems to quite match the K4's ability to generate energy. The Spit XVI certianly does not. So while the spit may be better able to avoid any one pass, the K4 will be facing fewer passes.
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Whats the thoughts on the spit 8 then?
What ever youre doing, you cant lose. Unless its a 3v1, all having E on you. Yes, its that powerful.
Both can overcome that with sheer horsepower. While its not as good as if you took a 109F and slapped the DB 605DC engine on it, its still damn impressive.
Arguable. Perhaps for the short term, yes. But nothing (free) in the game seems to quite match the K4's ability to generate energy. The Spit XVI certianly does not. So while the spit may be better able to avoid any one pass, the K4 will be facing fewer passes.
Youre trying to argue with me? About 109s? Huh? :lol
The K4, while its really able, wont will a match on a Spit16 unless...
-he is running away. But thats not a win.
-the 109 has some E in the beginning and its pilot is playing totally riskless.
-the 109 pilot is very much superior to the spitfire pilot.
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We're not talking Spit XVI fighting 109K you Hungarian twit.
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Whats the thoughts on the spit 8 then?
Think of it as a Spitfire XVI with a little bit more weight and no clipped wings.
ack-ack
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We're not talking Spit XVI fighting 109K you Hungarian twit.
Right,he's talking about the ability of a spit16 verses a K4 in dealing with a BnZ attack and you're talking about some imaginary machine a 190f with a MB engine.... :rolleyes:
:salute
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We're not talking Spit XVI fighting 109K you Hungarian twit.
lol
go tell 'em :rofl