Spit V

[Karnak]

Per those charts the Spit V loses to the P-51D, Bf109F-4 and Mosquito Mk VI (old slower version) in an acceleration contest.

[Debrody]

Other Spits, Bf109s, Fw190s, N1Ks, A6Ms, Ki-84s, Yak-3s and 9Us, Lavochkins, Ki-43s and P-38J and Ls.  Some others too.

The spit5 feels sluggish compared to a 190? Sir, what are you drinking? Flying anything else after a 190 made me feel that i was the god of the turnfights.

[Karnak]

The spit5 feels sluggish compared to a 190? Sir, what are you drinking? Flying anything else after a 190 made me feel that i was the god of the turnfights.

Acceleration is the thing being discussed and the Fw190 handily out accelerates the Spitfire Mk V.

[Tank-Ace]

I'm curious, how does it compare to the Boston III?

[Karnak]

I'm curious, how does it compare to the Boston III?

Using climb rate as a stand in for acceleration, the Spitfire Mk V handily out accelerates the Boston Mk III:

[Tank-Ace]

Doesn't look like a HUGE difference without WEP on the deck.

Kind of telling  .

[bozon]

Using climb rate as a stand in for acceleration, the Spitfire Mk V handily out accelerates the Boston Mk III:

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Take these graphs with a grain of salt. I am pretty sura that for bombers the use 100% fuel and bombs in the bay.

[Debrody]

Acceleration is the thing being discussed and the Fw190 handily out accelerates the Spitfire Mk V.

Idk i just dont feel like that my Dora was accelerating that well - true, its very rare to see a SpitV in the MA.
The climb rate advantage is rather theoretical though, as the SpitV can stay nose-up much longer, due to its slower stall speed and much better low-speed handling. When i was trying to rope one, needed much more speed advantage over him than (lets say) a much better climbing P38. True, against the 38, the Dora might can turn in some circumstances, against a SpitV, its absolutely no chance. Again, its just how it "felt".

[bozon]

Idk i just dont feel like that my Dora was accelerating that well - true, its very rare to see a SpitV in the MA.
The climb rate advantage is rather theoretical though, as the SpitV can stay nose-up much longer, due to its slower stall speed and much better low-speed handling. When i was trying to rope one, needed much more speed advantage over him than (lets say) a much better climbing P38. True, against the 38, the Dora might can turn in some circumstances, against a SpitV, its absolutely no chance. Again, its just how it "felt".

The reality of the MA is a bit different than a pure drag race test. If a spit V catches your 190 while having a speed advantage to start with, the 190 will not be able to simply hit WEP, out accelerate the Spit and fly away. The 190 will have to maneuver and every movement of the stick costs a lot of energy, as opposed to the Spit that maneuvers with little loss of energy.

Planes that climb well at slow speeds are tricky to rope. You may zoom much higher than them, but also likely to start coming down while they are still pointing up. Some planes like the Spit16 and Yak3 are capable of incredible climb rates at speeds of 100 mph and lower. While I think it may not be perfectly accurate to real life, this is how they handle in the game. Such a climb at low speeds means a high angle and add ~15 degrees AoA on top of that and you get a STEADY fast climb while pointing ~45 degrees above the horizon. From the roper point of view they appear to be "floating" up. The only way to rope such planes unless you can decisively out-climb them (109K4 perhaps), or start with a massive speed advantage is in a VERY steep zoom, forcing them to point nearly 90 degrees up.

[Debrody]

The only way to rope such planes unless you can decisively out-climb them (109K4 perhaps), or start with a massive speed advantage is in a VERY steep zoom, forcing them to point nearly 90 degrees up.

This is what i meant, thanks. The only thing is, the K4 isnt that good, nor the Spit14 is, for the reasons you said: they climb very well, but at a higher speed. A Spit16 can defend against a BnZ attack much easyer than a K4, and not only becouse of its better turn rate.

[Oldman731]

Acceleration is the thing being discussed and the Fw190 handily out accelerates the Spitfire Mk V.

You're talking Doras; I was thinking the As.  But it looks like you are right and I was wrong.

Although at turn fight speeds they're pretty close.

- oldman

[GScholz]

The Fw 190 handily out everythings the Spit V except turning circle. That's why it was the scourge of Fighter Command from the moment it appeared on the Western Front at Abbeville in August 1941, and until the British managed to shoehorn a bigger Merlin into a Spit V creating the Spit IX.

[wpeters]

Whats the thoughts on the spit 8 then?

[Tank-Ace]

This is what i meant, thanks. The only thing is, the K4 isnt that good, nor the Spit14 is, for the reasons you said: they climb very well, but at a higher speed.

Both can overcome that with sheer horsepower. While its not as good as if you took a 109F and slapped the DB 605DC engine on it, its still damn impressive.

A Spit16 can defend against a BnZ attack much easyer than a K4, and not only becouse of its better turn rate.

Arguable. Perhaps for the short term, yes. But nothing (free) in the game seems to quite match the K4's ability to generate energy. The Spit XVI certianly does not. So while the spit may be better able to avoid any one pass, the K4 will be facing fewer passes.

[Debrody]

Whats the thoughts on the spit 8 then?

What ever youre doing, you cant lose. Unless its a 3v1, all having E on you. Yes, its that powerful.

Both can overcome that with sheer horsepower. While its not as good as if you took a 109F and slapped the DB 605DC engine on it, its still damn impressive.

Arguable. Perhaps for the short term, yes. But nothing (free) in the game seems to quite match the K4's ability to generate energy. The Spit XVI certianly does not. So while the spit may be better able to avoid any one pass, the K4 will be facing fewer passes.

Youre trying to argue with me? About 109s? Huh?  
The K4, while its really able, wont will a match on a Spit16 unless...
-he is running away. But thats not a win.
-the 109 has some E in the beginning and its pilot is playing totally riskless.
-the 109 pilot is very much superior to the spitfire pilot.