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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: mthrockmor on November 16, 2013, 10:04:14 PM
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So is it even possible to enter into this game any sense of anything but ho, vulch, horde, and run for ack?
Sadly, I am just factions away from joining the thousands over the years that leave. Actually, maybe that is my signal.
boo
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sad but true, and on a small map for a weekend it's even worst.
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The game has always had these things. When you were still learning, everything seemed fresh and new. Now that you have some experience, the fun gets overlooked and the tedium bothers you more than it used to.
Diagnosis: you are jaded. Take a break.
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The game has always had these things. When you were still learning, everything seemed fresh and new. Now that you have some experience, the fun gets overlooked and the tedium bothers you more than it used to.
Diagnosis: you are jaded. Take a break.
Yes mister nit picky the game has always had these things. The difference however is these things are becoming the norm. Instead of seeing 10-12 man missions attacking bases all you see are horde missions. Instead of seeing guys fighting with wingman tactics you see five guys all trying to HO you. Instead of seeing guys fight to their "cartoon deaths" and more often than not come back time after time to try and get revenge you see guys run for their lives like it was the only one they have.
I'll also point out that you can still find these fights now and then but they are becoming fewer and farther between. You may not want to admit that it is happening, but that doesn't mean it isn't happening.
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Yes mister nit picky the game has always had these things. The difference however is these things are becoming the norm. Instead of seeing 10-12 man missions attacking bases all you see are horde missions. Instead of seeing guys fighting with wingman tactics you see five guys all trying to HO you. Instead of seeing guys fight to their "cartoon deaths" and more often than not come back time after time to try and get revenge you see guys run for their lives like it was the only one they have.
these are two of the things that i believe helped kill the early war arena.......and they are doing a number on midwar. in a bad way.
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you see guys run for their lives like it was the only one they have.
Remember earlier this month when your 20k F4U jumped a much lower 110C out in the middle of the ocean? A great chance for a 1v1 that ended as soon as the F4U lost advantage and ran home.
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The game has always had these things. When you were still learning, everything seemed fresh and new. Now that you have some experience, the fun gets overlooked and the tedium bothers you more than it used to.
Diagnosis: you are jaded. Take a break.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S09F5MejfBE
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Remember earlier this month when your 20k F4U jumped a much lower 110C out in the middle of the ocean? A great chance for a 1v1 that ended as soon as the F4U lost advantage and ran home.
Again Mr nit picky I said that you can still find these fights but they are few and far between.
And the fight you mention ended due to missing some vital parts if I remember. Your aim is much better than mine.
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Again Mr nit picky I said that you can still find these fights but they are few and far between.
And the fight you mention ended due to missing some vital parts if I remember. Your aim is much better than mine.
Fly a crappy plane once and a while and you will get plenty of people willing to fight. At least as long as they're winning.
No idea why you ran but it wasn't for lack of parts. Looking at the film I got one ping on you and that was from 900 yards, as you were vacating the premises.
The point is that everyone runs at one time or another.
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Again :rolleyes: I agree that there are time people run. Of the 63 sorties I have this month I died about half of them and landed 17. Doesn't look like I run from very many fights.
The problem is it is becoming much more the norm. Yesterday I got to fly about 6 hours. In that time I had 2 1 vs 1 and a couple 2 vs 1 (me). The rest of the time it was just diving in amongst the horde and try to drag a guy or two out. More often than not it was 5 or 6 that would follow which always turns into a very short fight.... for me anyway :D Bish and Knits were hording it up pretty good and once the Bish started loggin off for din-din the Rook horde ran for a bit...... never going head to head I might add. On a small map that really cuts down on the number of places to "start" a fight.
The OP posted he is tired of seeing the same old thing.... sounds like he thinks it's becoming the norm as well. If HTC wants a "WarThunder" type of game it's going to leave very little for those that are looking for a fight. All that will be left are the win the war at all cost types, and the points guys that will run away when their first pass fails. It IS getting harder to find people that WANT to fight. More and more just HO, pick, and run.
Here's the film of our fight. I was thinking of a different fight with a 110. You never hit me, but I was almost out of fuel and decided to go home. Doesn't look like I ran at the first opportunity.
http://www.mediafire.com/download/wk9c6owh9r7ypqu/who_110.ahf
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It takes TWO to have a "HO". Remember that. You and your enemy are doing everything possible to get the guns on the enemy, a HO is inevitable in many cases. In some cases it is a smart move, in some cases it is purely defensive.
I will always point nose on vs an FM2, B-239, P40C, or Oscar if I'm in a quad 20mm. Why not? The odds are greatly in my favor. Or, if I need to get out of there for what ever reason what smart player is going to attempt a HO in their lightly gunned plane vs my Typhoon, etc?
Don't be so quick to squeal and point fingers, remember that it takes TWO to have a head on attack. You can avoid it, you don't have to do it. If you're so good then AVOID it.
Oh, and ever stop and think that the OTHER guy is screaming his head off yelling at YOU for HO'in him??? Oh the irony.
Suck it up, that goes for all of you cupcakes that cry foul when the HO attack comes your way. You dont cry when you win do you? Didnt think so. You laugh it up and chalk up a "winz".
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It takes TWO to have a "HO". Remember that. You and your enemy are doing everything possible to get the guns on the enemy, a HO is inevitable in many cases. In some cases it is a smart move, in some cases it is purely defensive.
I will always point nose on vs an FM2, B-239, P40C, or Oscar if I'm in a quad 20mm. Why not? The odds are greatly in my favor. Or, if I need to get out of there for what ever reason what smart player is going to attempt a HO in their lightly gunned plane vs my Typhoon, etc?
Don't be so quick to squeal and point fingers, remember that it takes TWO to have a head on attack. You can avoid it, you don't have to do it. If you're so good then AVOID it.
Oh, and ever stop and think that the OTHER guy is screaming his head off yelling at YOU for HO'in him??? Oh the irony.
Suck it up, that goes for all of you cupcakes that cry foul when the HO attack comes your way. You dont cry when you win do you? Didnt think so. You laugh it up and chalk up a "winz".
Depends on what you think is a HO. I almost never fire on a head to head merge. I look at it as the guys firering on that move as people who HO. I look to have a fight and maneuver for a shot NOT in the front quarter. Any shot made in the front quarter is what a person does to just get a kill, not to have a fight.
I have no respect for a player that takes that shot. To me it just shows me that he/she has no ability to win a fight so will take a pot luck shot to end it before they can be out flown.
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Fly a crappy plane once and a while and you will get plenty of people willing to fight. At least as long as they're winning.
No idea why you ran but it wasn't for lack of parts. Looking at the film I got one ping on you and that was from 900 yards, as you were vacating the premises.
The point is that everyone runs at one time or another.
it's not running. it's advancing in the other direction. :devil i do it often, lololol
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No offense Fugitive, but you complained that people aren't willing to "fight to their cartoon deaths", but get called out... Your reason for leaving the fight... "I was almost out of fuel"...
It strikes me that if you had been more willing to "fight to your cartoon death", your fuel state would have been unimportant... If a good fight is what I want, I will stay in it until dead from bullets... Or an empty gas tank.
Methinks you have a little ego on the line when flying. Let that go and you may find more of the good fights you profess to seek.
As for all the other stuff...
I just came back after a year long break from the game... The only real changes that I notice is that there aren't enough people to support the two Main Arenas (I like one better anyway), and there are a couple new planes and ground vehicles.
The game play seems pretty much exactly how I remember it from a year ago... Tons of HO's, tons of runners, tons of pickers, and good 1vs1 fights are extremely hard to come by.
The biggest change for me... My aim is currently far worse than it was when I began my break... Ugh...
So, ya... Nothing really changes.
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No offense Fugitive, but you complained that people aren't willing to "fight to their cartoon deaths", but get called out... Your reason for leaving the fight... "I was almost out of fuel"...
It strikes me that if you had been more willing to "fight to your cartoon death", your fuel state would have been unimportant... If a good fight is what I want, I will stay in it until dead from bullets... Or an empty gas tank.
Methinks you have a little ego on the line when flying. Let that go and you may find more of the good fights you profess to seek.
As for all the other stuff...
I just came back after a year long break from the game... The only real changes that I notice is that there aren't enough people to support the two Main Arenas (I like one better anyway), and there are a couple new planes and ground vehicles.
The game play seems pretty much exactly how I remember it from a year ago... Tons of HO's, tons of runners, tons of pickers, and good 1vs1 fights are extremely hard to come by.
The biggest change for me... My aim is currently far worse than it was when I began my break... Ugh...
So, ya... Nothing really changes.
For me in that instance the fight was over and I lost. I'm not hiding anything, that's why I posted the film.
And, you said that nothing changes, so I guess that means you'll be taking another year long break soon.
And if people keep taking their year long ....or more breaks because nothing changes what will become of this game? Will they still bring in as many players to cover those that leave? With the "awesome graphics" so many people are complaining about it doesn't look like a big draw. Maybe the history will bring in more players? WWI is covered in less than a semester in High School and those of us who are interested in WWI are getting up there and are either here already, or don't know how to use a computer. So that leaves game play, hordes HOs and runners. It paints such a bright future doesn't it?
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(http://Again Mr nit picky I said that you can still find these fights but they are few and far between.
And the fight you mention ended due to missing some vital parts if I remember. Your aim is much better than mine.)
I vote for a cartoon in the issue. Sort of like the Semp one, but better, haha.
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So is it even possible to enter into this game any sense of anything but ho, vulch, horde, and run for ack?
Sadly, I am just factions away from joining the thousands over the years that leave. Actually, maybe that is my signal.
boo
In some simulators the vulchers get kicked out of the game, but all these things happen in other games too. My precaution against all of these is a fast plane and a lot of altitude. And yes if I get into trouble then I often run (well I call that extending) :neener:
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Do a search on Ho's- Stuff from 2000
Do a search on runners- Stuff from 2000
Been same since I started in 02 :aok
Same old AH :rofl
:cheers: Oz
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Yesterday's battle at A7 and A8 had it all. I picked and I was picked. Had several off balanced dogfights both in my favor and not. Some I won some I didn't.
I ran to fellow green guys and the base to save my butt several times. I have no shame in that.
I chased red guys like a dummy until I ended up under their horde and that did not end well. Was the red guy running or using SA to his or her advantage?
They horded us and we horded them.
Very intense. I left the game happy, and drained.
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If you leave, I will seriously be pissed off :mad:
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I believe the same old same old comes from the boards...whine, cry, cuss about pick, ho, run, vulch. What do you expect? Do you expect to not find a horde when you fly into a sector with a full dar? Do you not expect to get HOed ...when I don't take the head on shot and break for merge the plane I am fighting runs...but when I do take the shot the receiver ends up pming me and cries at me...do I blame them?..no...its the way it goes....when I get picked I usually laugh and salute the picker because its my fault for poor SA...I guess I'm in the minority of ppl who play for fun... :noid....I come across many good 1 vs 1 fights all the time usually with the horde trying to pick me the whole time...do I cry and pm when I get picked?...no...NOW does the competitor in me make me cuss out loud? Yes very much so...does that keep me from upping again and getting right back into fight?...No...I love this game...Have loved it since I started playing in '05....the only change I have seen since I started playing is more planes and the same players I started with cussing about the same crap with more ferocity...I'll shut up now... :salute :joystick: :airplane: :furious
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Depends on what you think is a HO. I almost never fire on a head to head merge. I look at it as the guys firering on that move as people who HO. I look to have a fight and maneuver for a shot NOT in the front quarter. Any shot made in the front quarter is what a person does to just get a kill, not to have a fight.
I have no respect for a player that takes that shot. To me it just shows me that he/she has no ability to win a fight so will take a pot luck shot to end it before they can be out flown.
No respect for those of us who take that shot? Is that absolute in every scenario?
Please evaluate this: You are in a single Typhoon and are cruising along at 8000ft loaded with a pair of 1k bombs, it is heading for an enemy field to hammer ord bunkers. Your Tiffy is about a sector out out when the dar bar shows an upper. Just at the dar ring a bogie and red icon appear. It is directly in front of you and slightly low, your not sure if it is still climbing or level flight. The red icon shows Yak. You assume it is a Yak 3 or Yak 9U. The Yak is directly between you and the field. It continues directly at you and even appears to go nose down. Distance is not 2500 yards. It is obvious now that he has a lot of E. Distance is now 1000 yards, he makes a slight jink to avoid the HO or so it seems. You have the shot. Take it or not?
I'd take the shot without hesitation. That may be the only shot I get vs that Yak. He may still catch me before I drop ords, and even if he doesn't intercept before I drop ords I probably wont out run him once I'm light. So there is my chance.... So do I have "no ability to fight", or am I making a smart choice? BTW... that exact scenario happened to me and the Yak was a -9U. I missed the HO shot, but was able to get the bombs on target and then extend out and away from the field and ack. I was able to reverse him by giving him the roll to the left then I used a hard roll to the right then I cut the throttle. He went on by, but I missed the shot again and from there it was light out for me, there was little I could do vs a Yak-9U in a dog fight. So.... don't be so quick to judge in absolutes. ;)
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No respect for those of us who take that shot? Is that absolute in every scenario?
Please evaluate this: You are in a single Typhoon and are cruising along at 8000ft loaded with a pair of 1k bombs, it is heading for an enemy field to hammer ord bunkers. Your Tiffy is about a sector out out when the dar bar shows an upper. Just at the dar ring a bogie and red icon appear. It is directly in front of you and slightly low, your not sure if it is still climbing or level flight. The red icon shows Yak. You assume it is a Yak 3 or Yak 9U. The Yak is directly between you and the field. It continues directly at you and even appears to go nose down. Distance is not 2500 yards. It is obvious now that he has a lot of E. Distance is now 1000 yards, he makes a slight jink to avoid the HO or so it seems. You have the shot. Take it or not?
I'd take the shot without hesitation. That may be the only shot I get vs that Yak. He may still catch me before I drop ords, and even if he doesn't intercept before I drop ords I probably wont out run him once I'm light. So there is my chance.... So do I have "no ability to fight", or am I making a smart choice? BTW... that exact scenario happened to me and the Yak was a -9U. I missed the HO shot, but was able to get the bombs on target and then extend out and away from the field and ack. I was able to reverse him by giving him the roll to the left then I used a hard roll to the right then I cut the throttle. He went on by, but I missed the shot again and from there it was light out for me, there was little I could do vs a Yak-9U in a dog fight. So.... don't be so quick to judge in absolutes. ;)
I would have dumped ords at first site of the dot, put my nose down a bit to build speed/e breaking a bit to one side to try and draw him in and then the fight would have been on. Knowing the bogie is going to come strait at me... trying to HO.... I would try to keep my wingtip pointed at him for as long as I could. Once he got in guns range I'd try to cut back up over the top to get an over shoot and a possible shot.... which I would have missed :P
In your run you didn't want a fight, you wanted to drop bombs. After dropping your bombs, if the guy was around then you'd try to to fight figuring you were going to lose because "there was little I could do vs a Yak-9U in a dog fight." is what you said. The choice you made was NOT to fight. I would have tried to fight from the first working at building my advantages instead of throwing everything to the winds and dive bombing a target.
The only concession I give to a HO is if I'm fighting 3 or 4 guys and of course while I'm dodging 1 or 2 guys the other 2 are going to be HOin me so ya I'll let a blast go then. Every other HO shot is just being lazy.
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fugitive sometimes the mission is to drop the ords on the base at whichever target.
semp
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fugitive sometimes the mission is to drop the ords on the base at whichever target.
semp
I suppose it is, but he did ask what "I" would do. so I told him. :D
Had I been the Yak I would have been ok with his scenario too as long as he fought after his drop. However few will and just keep running until they get to friendly ack.
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No respect for those of us who take that shot? Is that absolute in every scenario?
Please evaluate this: You are in a single Typhoon and are cruising along at 8000ft loaded with a pair of 1k bombs, it is heading for an enemy field to hammer ord bunkers. Your Tiffy is about a sector out out when the dar bar shows an upper. Just at the dar ring a bogie and red icon appear. It is directly in front of you and slightly low, your not sure if it is still climbing or level flight. The red icon shows Yak. You assume it is a Yak 3 or Yak 9U. The Yak is directly between you and the field. It continues directly at you and even appears to go nose down. Distance is not 2500 yards. It is obvious now that he has a lot of E. Distance is now 1000 yards, he makes a slight jink to avoid the HO or so it seems. You have the shot. Take it or not?
I'd take the shot without hesitation. That may be the only shot I get vs that Yak. He may still catch me before I drop ords, and even if he doesn't intercept before I drop ords I probably wont out run him once I'm light. So there is my chance.... So do I have "no ability to fight", or am I making a smart choice? BTW... that exact scenario happened to me and the Yak was a -9U. I missed the HO shot, but was able to get the bombs on target and then extend out and away from the field and ack. I was able to reverse him by giving him the roll to the left then I used a hard roll to the right then I cut the throttle. He went on by, but I missed the shot again and from there it was light out for me, there was little I could do vs a Yak-9U in a dog fight. So.... don't be so quick to judge in absolutes. ;)
Why would you be at 8k to begin with? That is just asking for trouble in a heavy tiffy. You should drop ord if you encounter a con if you care so much about living. The thing with a tiffy is to keep it fast, never get under 200mph, if you do and your not experienced in flying it, your going to die...just to let u know...that is unless u run. IMHO going for HO is horrible, I rather have a good fight and die than waste a fight by dying for a HO shot. I have had some awesome fights in my tiffy with many peeps in the game....man i miss it :(
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The game has always had these things. When you were still learning, everything seemed fresh and new. Now that you have some experience, the fun gets overlooked and the tedium bothers you more than it used to.
Diagnosis: you are jaded. Take a break.
+1 need to breaks when needed take a cpl months off, watch some vids to get in the sprit again
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The Royal Flying Corps took it as a matter of honor never to swerve from a head on attack. You must follow through to the end, without flinching. The first man to flinch has turned or dived or even stupidly climbed and given you the advantage.
HOing is the worst tactic simply because you are letting the enemy get a gun solution on you. If I am in a quad cannon bird I HO, simply because it is my number one advantage in forcing the enemy onto my terms.
In warfare any strategy to win is generally advisable. HO's are 50 50 and therefore impractical. If you HO you are either at an impasse or last resort situation.