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Help and Support Forums => Help and Training => Topic started by: Sunka on December 05, 2013, 10:00:44 AM
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I stuck this in aircraft and vehicles put it in 3 days ago no reply so I'm assuming this belongs here.
https://www.mediafire.com/?uxaqp7hne1cunbc
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I cannot view anything at mediafire. The risk is too great for getting malware and spyware.
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Wow first time i herd that.Well Ty for pointing me to something YOU will watch. :cheers:
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So you move it to help and training without being able to view it!? :rofl Ty for the help guys..letting my sub end this period. Pray tell so why do need training? how did i fly wrong? No matter was trying to help YOUR game.Good job helping a customer and keeping em around.
Another one bites the dust.
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1) It was moved here because there was no way to ascertain what the issue is, but it was obvious it needed addressing.
2) You can email native films (the preferred format for they contain a lot of debugging information) and we are happy to put that through the debugger.
3) Aside from the issues with mediafire, we cannot debug from a film which is not in in the native file format due to the loss of all the debugging information our films give us.
We make every effort to help every player. If the issue is, how we accomplish that, one is always free offer another method more convenient and if the issue can be addressed, in that manner, we are happy to do so.
If a bug in the P51D is to be discovered due to this film, then this gets moved back to the bug report forum. That forum is exclusively used for potential bug reports. If we can duplicate the bug, we confirm it in that forum. If we cannot confirm the bug, then the issue gets moved to another forum for resolution, so others may benefit from that information.
The point being, even though we are not able to get into the office today, we are working to address your issue.
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That was a much better answer then (We don't use medifire) and then move it.
BTW,i don't need help and training unless i was never taught (which i was not) that at 400 mph with one notch of flaps in a low G turn the wings are supposed to fly off.
ty
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I stuck this in aircraft and vehicles put it in 3 days ago no reply so I'm assuming this belongs here.
https://www.mediafire.com/?uxaqp7hne1cunbc
Couple of things, first I agree about mediafire sometimes being an issue. Not sure what the OP's issue is, watch the G meter, you put 5-G on the wing, followed by 9+ G + + + (who knows at that point it's off the scale) and the wing failed, what's your question?. The issue I have is that the pilot performing this would have blacked out long before the wing failed and that blackout might have prevented the wing failure. I am guessing that the human factor is not modeled in???????
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That was a much better answer then (We don't use medifire) and then move it.
BTW,i don't need help and training unless i was never taught (which i was not) that at 400 mph with one notch of flaps in a low G turn the wings are supposed to fly off.
ty
If the question is one of why the failure, then please forward the film to support@hitechcreations.com so we can run it through our debugger. Do remember, structural failures are incremental during the course of a sortie. You have so much accumulated stress available until a failure occurs.
If the film is not of the entire sortie, we will not be able to measure the entire stress attained. A partial film will serve to reveal if the wing met its level of stress before the failure occurred.
The post was moved to this forum as there was no way for us to know what the question was. This is the baseline forum for all questions.
Couple of things, first I agree about mediafire sometimes being an issue. Not sure what the OP's issue is, watch the G meter, you put 5-G on the wing, followed by 9+ G + + + (who knows at that point it's off the scale) and the wing failed, what's your question?. The issue I have is that the pilot performing this would have blacked out long before the wing failed and that blackout might have prevented the wing failure. I am guessing that the human factor is not modeled in???????
I am not certain, but I do not think the black outs are shown in the film playback. Our office is closed today, but I will verify that when I get back in.
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I'll send it in to help ya guys out.
There was no dmg it was in DA with a new plane.And as i said it was a low G pull.
But no matter i'll send it in a bit later.
(EDIT) I sent it off Skuzzy,i would like if you kept me updated to what the cause is.
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That was a much better answer then (We don't use medifire) and then move it.
BTW,i don't need help and training unless i was never taught (which i was not) that at 400 mph with one notch of flaps in a low G turn the wings are supposed to fly off.
ty
You need to review the film , look at it in slow motion , you claim of a Low G turn is just no correct. Look at the G meter. I saw a swing of over 15 Gs from -6 to a +9 plus.
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I'll send it in to help ya guys out.
There was no dmg it was in DA with a new plane.And as i said it was a low G pull.
But no matter i'll send it in a bit later.
(EDIT) I sent it off Skuzzy,i would like if you kept me updated to what the cause is.
This is just not a true statement. you need to review your film and look at the G meter. My question is why the pilot didn't black out. I thought the human element was modeled in? My question is with the amount of G's pulled was the pilot dead prior to the wings coming off?
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:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
I wouldn't worry about this Skuzzy this is a serious over stress upon the wings. The G pulled here is well far beyond the limits.
It is an example of why a pilot should feed in the controls gently and smoothly. The yank back was too fast.
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:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
I wouldn't worry about this Skuzzy this is a serious over stress upon the wings. The G pulled here is well far beyond the limits.
It is an example of why a pilot should feed in the controls gently and smoothly. The yank back was too fast.
I hardly pulled on the stick..but Ty for your expert opinion.Im sure Skuzzy will do as you say and not worry about it. :aok
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This is just not a true statement. you need to review your film and look at the G meter. My question is why the pilot didn't black out. I thought the human element was modeled in? My question is with the amount of G's pulled was the pilot dead prior to the wings coming off?
I said there was an issue ( i was not yanking the stick) i was asking what it was to start,thats all.I see your point, and Dolby is just trying to flame :lol.
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I am not trying to flame, I watched the film and saw the G's go to the indicators limit. I then gave myself a camera to watch the angle of how fast you pulled.
The notch of flaps combined with your speed and your control input looks like the most valid explanation for the ultra high G failure of your wings.
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I am not trying to flame, I watched the film and saw the G's go to the indicators limit. I then gave myself a camera to watch the angle of how fast you pulled.
The notch of flaps combined with your speed and your control input looks like the most valid explanation for the ultra high G failure of your wings.
I see the same thing Dolby..but i know i moved my stick very very little in this,no hard pull and no blackout.
Thus why i thought this was a good question,not just i yanked my wings off.
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I see the same thing Dolby..but i know i moved my stick very very little in this,no hard pull and no blackout.
Thus why i thought this was a good question,not just i yanked my wings off.
I havent viewed the film but I wonder if you stick might have had a spike and this caused the exsessive G's?
Not sure what joystick you use nut it's something to consider and easy enough to check out.
:salute
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Wow first time i herd that. <snip>
One thing I learned way back and was apparent every time a film was posted there was that Skuzzy and Mediafire go together just about as well as Skuzzy and mayonnaise. And Skuzzy HATES mayonnaise.
Just my two cents though, found them on the floor today. Wont mention what floor, or where it was.
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I haven't viewed the film but I wonder if you stick might have had a spike and this caused the excessive G's?
Not sure what joystick you use nut it's something to consider and easy enough to check out.
:salute
I use a microsoft sidewinder Morf never spikes,i am really anxious to see what Skuzzy says at this point. :salute
One thing I learned way back and was apparent every time a film was posted there was that Skuzzy and Mediafire go together just about as well as Skuzzy and mayonnaise. And Skuzzy HATES mayonnaise.
Just my two cents though, found them on the floor today. Wont mention what floor, or where it was.
See i did not know this. In the 6 years i been playing i never felt the need to send much in. But..... now i know ,and i'll do as they ask. :aok
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:rofl
I wrote nut when I meant but..... :o
Well good to know it's not the stick Sunka as I'm interested to see what caused the issue.
:salute
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I use a microsoft sidewinder Morf never spikes,i am really anxious to see what Skuzzy says at this point. :salute
See i did not know this. In the 6 years i been playing i never felt the need to send much in. But..... now i know ,and i'll do as they ask. :aok
.....until it does! Thats when you call a stick starting to go bad. If you didn't yank it odds are pretty good the stick has an issue and gave the game the "yanking" input in error. If it was a game issue you would have heard many people complaining about the wings blowing off a pony. And for the record, I've blown the wings off twice in my years here..... so far :devil
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I did view the film and I think I was first to point out the G meter reading, but no matter what caused the wings to come off, I'm going to once again ask the question, why didn't the pilot in this aircraft blackout? Or is the blackout not recorded in the film viewer? I thought that the human factor was modeled into the game. I know I've been blacked out by G's and was unable to make any control input changes until I came to. That doesn't appear to happen in this film. Anyone?
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Blackouts and redouts are not shown in the film viewer.
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Blackouts and redouts are not shown in the film viewer.
But what is the assumed condition of the pilot? If a pilot blacks out and slumps forward on the controls, that will effect the aircraft, what is assumed in the game, if I'm blacked out or red out and I continue to move my controls does that control movement have any effect on the aircraft? I don't remember, but I thought as long as one was blacked out, the control movement had no effect??? anyone know for sure. Because from watching the OP's film, you can see he makes three control movements, one is the nose down, negative G to almost -7, my contention is that the wings would have failed there, his next control input is to nose up resulting in a 9+ G meter reading, and than adding a further nose up command the result is the wings come off. So I'm guessing that if one moves the controls while blacked out that movement is translated in the flight model. Anyone know for sure?
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I'll have to get into the office to get the numbers, but I believe the pilot limits are +/-6G's. Now, the effect is cumulative. Short bursts to the limits does not cause complete blackout. The more time outside the limits, the longer it takes the pilot to recover.
As to whether or not the inputs are ignored, once the pilot reaches full blackout, is something I will need to check in the office.
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from my experience once you are completely blackout...it ignores any input....although its been a long time since I got stuck in Blackout....