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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Zed on December 18, 2013, 09:50:28 AM
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I was tooling around offline shooting drones yesterday in a variety of aircraft. I started out in an Me-410 because I wanted to see to what degree using a light gun package would improve its handling. I was surprised at the improvement in handling that resulted from choosing a light package. I also concluded, unfortunately, that I would not want to fly the aircraft in the main arena because it seems to be so unstable when shooting. What do you think are the most stable and least stable gun platforms? I've never seen this discussed before.
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Most stable (for me at any rate) is the Typhoon and the various versions of the Hurri. Ta152 should also be a consideration.
Least to me is the Spit14...which is just a God awful bouncy thing. :D
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Agree regarding the Spit14 being among the worst - the Ta152 is a good platform too, I agree, except during certain low speeds, it can get the nose bouncing similar to the Spit14 as well. If you're using it at mid to high alt and with decent smash/E, using the 152's strengths, it's stable like a table.
For 50 cal planes, the P47's can be pretty stable to shoot with I find as well. The Chog isn't horrible either for 20mm, I don't find it that much worse than the Typhoon, plus you get more ammo, but less speed. The 410 with the 30mm option shoots very flat and feels stable to me, as horrible as the airframe is for speed/turning/E retention/everything else/etc.
I would like to see what everyone thinks of this question from an air to ground perspective. Example, Il2 vs Stuka with the pew pew pew's, the Hurri2D, B25H, and so on.
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B26 tail turret :rolleyes:
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yeah f4u1c, hurricane2c, temp, typhoon, HISPANOS rule! 47 as Gman said is pretty nice too.
but I think the best is the p38 :)
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but I think the best is the p38 :)
Of course....bombers are excellent gun platforms. :D
:bolt:
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P47 N with good speed
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Field gun :aok
:cheers: Oz
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P38 has the most stable gun platform.
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Nothing I use in here is stable. My stick is pure bounce. If I kill you, its due to pure lead overdose, than anything else.
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Hmm..... I say anything flying along at 250-300 TAS offers and very stable shooting platform. However, the 190's, the Typhoon, the Mossi, and P47's all come to mind quickly. F6F is nice too.
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any 190.
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Interesting responses... I didn't mean AAA or bombers... Relative stability as a gun platform seems to be a neglected facet of aircraft evaluation/discussion. I'm sure that part of the success of the P-38, in particular, is due to it being an extremely stable gun platform - even when turning. The 410 also has all the guns in the nose, but doesn't seem at all stable unless there is absolutely no g-loading. If I could just figure out how to make the P-38 dance like some do, then I'd fly it more often.
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38 is the most stable. The Typhoon is pretty solid too, but that's just because it can't move in the first place. :)
It might not be the most unstable, but I've always found the 51 to be pretty jumpy for gunnery.
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Dora is a lot more stable then the 152.
F6F is a smooth shooting platform but crap rear view.
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Sturmovik and stuka. Both are more stable than the hurri2d imo. As far as fighters go stability doesn't matter that much, if at all, because you're pulling lead this way and that way. Of course if you turn combat trim on any instability is pretty much nullified.
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F4U-1 is the greatest gun platform...
Chicks dig gullwings!
:noid
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p38 all the way!
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P-38
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F4U and P38s
:aok
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The Thunderbolt, Lightning and Mustang all had a reputation for being stable weapon platforms. Out of those three, I would give the nod to the Lightning for being the most stable weapon platform because of the nose mounted guns.
ack-ack
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Any 109 over 430mph. ;)
Seriously speaking, P38, 262, 410. From the single engined ones, any nose-heavy plane is a decent gun platform.
The worst i have seen, in order: Ta-152, Spit14, Jak9u (that damn plane just dont want to do what i want), F4Us.
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Nothing I use in here is stable. My stick is pure bounce. If I kill you, its due to pure lead overdose, than anything else.
Axis Scaling in your stick setup/calibration menu, ask AKAK about it.
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Any 109 over 430mph. ;)
Seriously speaking, P38, 262, 410. From the single engined ones, any nose-heavy plane is a decent gun platform.
The worst i have seen, in order: Ta-152, Spit14, Jak9u (that damn plane just dont want to do what i want), F4Us.
Debrody, it's interesting that you consider the 410 a stable gun platform but the Yak9 unstable. I have no issues with the Yak but find the 410 very frustrating. I might play around with axis scaling, too.
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Can someone inbox me CH stick scaling?
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How does scaling actually work? I've never really touched it.
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I have always found the Hellcat, D-25, D-40 jugs to be very stable gun platforms.
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How does scaling actually work? I've never really touched it.
In the most basic terms, you can adjust the responsiveness of your joy-stick to your inputs.
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How does scaling actually work? I've never really touched it.
you set up a sliding scale.... so you will have less input to the movement of the stick at center and as you move your stick it will "catch up" to full when you are at full motion....
very basic description....im sure you understand a sliding scale?
basically it allows less motion when you have a bead on the nme, allowing less nose bounce....
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A6Ms are pretty stable.
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Every aircraft seems stable in Aces High in the plainest meaning of "stable" -- that if you are flying along straight and level, the plane stays straight and level.
If by "stable" folks mean how wobbly the aircraft is to control inputs, though, in the sense of control theory, you are talking about step response, which is this sort of thing (where the square wave is your input, and the oscillatory graphs are the response or output).
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4f/Step_response_for_two-pole_feedback_amplifier.PNG/350px-Step_response_for_two-pole_feedback_amplifier.PNG)
This is what happens when you are flying along at a given position of the stick, then move the stick to a new position. Does the nose oscillate in response to a step change to pullback on the stick? Does the nose oscillate back and forth if you initiate or stop a roll? Etc.
In this definition of stability, although I haven't done any tests and don't thoroughly remember nuances of the feel of many AH aircraft, what comes most to my mind is the FW 190. 190's seem very crisp in control response and seem to have low oscillation. The F6F, for example, to me seems to have a great deal more.
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I find almost all of the U.S. fighters to be twitchy around the center....which is wierd I think. So in a mustang, hog, jug and especially the 38 I havea really hard time making fine or small adjustments to my aim. I'm constantly bouncing around the target while trying to get my pipper on it and basically can't hit anything in any plane equipped with U.S. .50 cal.s. On the other hand the 109s, Ki-84 and 110 seem to be very friendly for small adjustments to aim especially around the center. I don't have so much of a tendancy to "overshoot" the target and the pipper seems to move consistently to where I'm pulling the nose.
The 190 series planes are impossible for me to hit with.
I'm pretty sure it's mostly because I'm a poor shot in this game. That's also the reason I don't BNZ much..can't hit at high closing speeds.
Zaphod
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The 110 is "stable" too; Seems like most twins are.
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P-38