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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Randy1 on January 03, 2014, 02:15:32 PM
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If two players are engaged in air to air combat and one player has a real good connection with short, solid pings and no packet loss and the other player has a poor but playable connection then who has the advantage?
Not sure about this but it seems like at times with warping, the bad connection player can have an advantage if he is on defense.
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I would say the warper would be hating his/her connection
and not enjoying playing :aok
Even if a warper is on defense, they have no idea where
they will appear. Maybe in your gunsight.
:cheers: Oz
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Not sure about this but it seems like at times with warping, the bad connection player can have an advantage if he is on defense.
to him, you're the one warping.
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I have a good connection with a higher ping being in Europe. I'd give my right arm for a low ping.
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If two players are engaged in air to air combat and one player has a real good connection with short, solid pings and no packet loss and the other player has a poor but playable connection then who has the advantage?
Not sure about this but it seems like at times with warping, the bad connection player can have an advantage if he is on defense.
:airplane: Randy, u know if you stay on my high six, you are going to get many kill opportunities, as for some reason these guys think if they kill the head of snake, everybody else will go away! Sorry guys, I am just a little clog in a big wheel! LOL
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I have a good connection with a higher ping being in Europe. I'd give my right arm for a low ping.
Bruv seems to do OK {snicker} :devil
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Years ago when I first started doing first person shooters, most people had Dial up. Dialup players would lag all over the place, your aim had to be 50% faster and better then a cable user to even stay on par. Cable users would whine "waah he lags everywhere then comes out of no where" fact is Cable users don't have the reaction time of dialup users who have to do everything faster or they will just lag themselves to death.
I've played on Dialup, Cable and Fiber optics. Ever try flying on Dialup? One minute the con is 6k in front of you, next minute its 800 yards zooming past you. If you think the fact the internet downloads slow is an advantage, you clearly have NEVER played a game on dialup or satellite.
One of the reasons I quit aces because my home in Montana has Satellite internet, the download speed is decent, but there is NO upload speed which causes me to spike and lag around, trying to fly? its not worth it. Its great for reading the internet, movies and music but not gaming.
I last had dialup in 1998, never again will I go online being that slow - if I do I would quit the internet all together.
Before you whine about it, try using dialup for a day - you will be thankful of your cable internet, now stop whinin. Only girlie men whine. Don't be a girlie man.
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It makes it suck for both about equally, I'd say. The guy who's defensive may warp in the gunsight some, but he also doesn't have the information to defend effectively because the guy who's offensive will also be warping on his end. It might not be a big deal if he's just stick stirring I suppose.
Wiley.
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Bruv seems to do OK {snicker} :devil
Easily explained; transmission loss causes more bullets to be needed to break stuff.
bruv shoots better than I do.
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I play on satellite connection.....rarely is it nice and stable.....I know I am warping because everyone around me is warping.....
some collisions I get damage some I dont....it depends if I saw a collision on my end or not.....
I know if I didnt like AH so damn much it would drive me away.
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If two players are engaged in air to air combat and one player has a real good connection with short, solid pings and no packet loss and the other player has a poor but playable connection then who has the advantage?
Not sure about this but it seems like at times with warping, the bad connection player can have an advantage if he is on defense.
The player with the good connection will have the advantage, even though at times it will not look like it.
ack-ack
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I play on satellite connection.....rarely is it nice and stable.....I know I am warping because everyone around me is warping.....
some collisions I get damage some I dont....it depends if I saw a collision on my end or not.....
I know if I didnt like AH so damn much it would drive me away.
INK,
Thank you. I've always noticed it took a few more rounds to damage your Ki84. A few other pigs have noticed it. In the future if I'm sure it's yours, I will understand I just need more rounds. I'll pass that along to the piggies. You have a signature Ki84 style and easy to appreciate.
Now back to business as usual........................ .. :furious
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The player on offense is favored by the slow connection regardless of which player has the slow connection.
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We need ping ENY...yeah, that's the ticket :rock
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INK,
Thank you. I've always noticed it took a few more rounds to damage your Ki84. A few other pigs have noticed it. In the future if I'm sure it's yours, I will understand I just need more rounds. I'll pass that along to the piggies. You have a signature Ki84 style and easy to appreciate.
Now back to business as usual........................ .. :furious
ehh its the KI not my connect
she is a tough bird....when I was on comcast I got one of the best cheat accusations ever because of the damage she took and still flew away with five kills....they were all trying to kill me so I am guessing that is what pissed them off and not the fact that they got a few rounds into me and I didnt go down.....
people think because it is Japanese it is weak...that is the furthest thing from the truth, the reason I took up the KI as my main ride was the toughness of it....and that was back when I had a very stable comcast connection.
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Oh the years of AW then AW on AOHell dialup 22-56k blazing speeds :rofl then years and years later DSL Cable, Fiber Optics ..... Man i sure dont miss the old connection speeds p0rN really sucked back then .
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I've had warps in 1v1s that have moved the fight either way. Where I have lost is when they warp into a blind spot and I maneuver wrong...complete opposite seems to happen when I win due to a warp.
I've also got (trigger/zoom) lag where I've missed shots because of it.
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I was fighting a guy last night that was 600 off my 10 o'clock, he then warped to my 4 then 12 o'clock in less than a second. In the process he somehow shot out my engine. There was no way I could hit him. After the second fight I had to go elsewhere as he was doing my head in.
I love those warpers where you saddle up on their 6 and as you pull the trigger they warp a couple of hundred yards to the left or right :P
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I was fighting a guy last night that was 600 off my 10 o'clock, he then warped to my 4 then 12 o'clock in less than a second. In the process he somehow shot out my engine. There was no way I could hit him. After the second fight I had to go elsewhere as he was doing my head in.
I love those warpers where you saddle up on their 6 and as you pull the trigger they warp a couple of hundred yards to the left or right :P
usually, that is an indication that your cpu is trying to catch up :aok
if they only warp at that point.... pretty much guarantees that's what it is....
a warper from connection will be warping all over the place.
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After reading all the post it comes out overall, the fastest connection as a bit of an advantage but there are times a well placed warp might save your butt or get it kicked.
Thanks everyone for replies. It answered my question very well.
Ink. I agree with you, the Ki might be the toughest bird in the game.
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Easily explained; transmission loss causes more bullets to be needed to break stuff.
bruv shoots better than I do.
Except Hitech has claimed several times that hit data cannot be lost as its transmitted through TCP.
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It has been told several times during the last decade and more, that the ping time isn't as crucial as the stability of the connection. I don't know about the US, but at least here the cable is less stabile due to its sensitivity to the number of users and the activity of them. I believe satellite suffers of the same phenomenon. Dial-up can be very playable for both the one on it and the others, if the connection stays stable. But I agree, low ping time really helps to figure out the lead if all players share the same ping.
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After reading all the post it comes out overall, the fastest connection as a bit of an advantage but there are times a well placed warp might save your butt or get it kicked.
Thanks everyone for replies. It answered my question very well.
Ink. I agree with you, the Ki might be the toughest bird in the game.
:aok
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If two players are engaged in air to air combat and one player has a real good connection with short, solid pings and no packet loss and the other player has a poor but playable connection then who has the advantage?
Not sure about this but it seems like at times with warping, the bad connection player can have an advantage if he is on defense.
Better connection will have the advantage. Packet loss is the crippler imo, as you simply shoot right through things with no damage done.
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Satellite is one of the worse connection possible for game play to AH. The issue is not band with but lag time and consistency of lag times. With satellite you have at least 200 ms just in distance to satellite and back. A straight dial up would almost always play better then satellite.
HiTech
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Except Hitech has claimed several times that hit data cannot be lost as its transmitted through TCP.
Data is lost, and it can be tested.
Go offline and use as little rounds as possible to get a kill, then go online and see the difference.
Not only that from the UK there is a level3.net giving 25%-40% ERR on ping plotter I'm squeaking about to my ISP
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Data is lost, and it can be tested.
Go offline and use as little rounds as possible to get a kill, then go online and see the difference.
Not only that from the UK there is a level3.net giving 25%-40% ERR on ping plotter I'm squeaking about to my ISP
It is impossible for TCP data to be lost and hence impossible for hits to be lost in transmition. You will either be disconnected, or the data will arrive, there is not any other possibility.
The difference you are seeing online vs offline, is simply that the drones explode with minor amounts of damage that players would still be flying with online.
HiTech
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Satellite is one of the worse connection possible for game play to AH. The issue is not band with but lag time and consistency of lag times. With satellite you have at least 200 ms just in distance to satellite and back. A straight dial up would almost always play better then satellite.
HiTech
Unfortunately it is pretty bad, my house in Montana has Satellite and I am getting 250-300ms just trying to play Aces, some of my other games that requires a solid connection are far worse (First person shooters) where that connection is really needed to be stable when playing.
Its great for music and surfing the internet, but the upload time is such a hinder when trying to play games.
Because of the data lost or the time to reach the servers, I can fire 2000 bullets at a plane I think is in front of me, when in fact the aircraft is already behind me and I just haven't seen it yet.
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I fly on dial up, as it is the only option where I live other than satellite. My normal ping time is around 300. From my experience over the last several years, dial up usually works fine and is much better than satellite (which I have tried).
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Poor connection does not favor either player.
A properly manipulated connection favors the manipulator in both defensive and offensive regimes.
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It was only a matter of time before this intelligent statement came up, ranks up there with Santa and the Easter Bunny's existence.
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Yup. Because realtime manipulation of data streams is very easy to do....just about anyone can do them don't cha know!? :rolleyes:
Just get yerself one of them there sniffers dohickies! I read about them on the Internet once!
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I play on satellite connection at home and have no problems at all...when I first log on I have to key up my vox to get everything to work correctly...other than that no real lag issues except in clouds :noid I don't warp all over...ping is rather high but stable...here at office ping is like 30 but I have serious lag issues and get discoed so I just quit trying to play while at work :lol
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IMO a bad connection favours the player in most need of random happenstance.
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Yup. Because realtime manipulation of data streams is very easy to do....just about anyone can do them don't cha know!? :rolleyes:
Just get yerself one of them there sniffers dohickies! I read about them on the Internet once!
I never said that the unskilled such as you could manipulate connection for an advantage.
You need familiarity with how the game deals with connection and then will have to figure out how to manipulate the connection to take advantage of it.
That time would be better spend learning your planes and techniques.
It's not easy and it's easily spotted by others and a few movies would be all it takes to both ruin one's reputation and possibly result in a banning.
It's not worth the effort and any victories gained by it would surely impact the psyche of the person who crossed the line to gain an advantage.
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It was only a matter of time before this intelligent statement came up, ranks up there with Santa and the Easter Bunny's existence.
You trying to tell me something about the guy in red or the hopping furry dude? :D
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I never said that the unskilled such as you could manipulate connection for an advantage.
You need familiarity with how the game deals with connection and then will have to figure out how to manipulate the connection to take advantage of it.
That time would be better spend learning your planes and techniques.
It's not easy and it's easily spotted by others and a few movies would be all it takes to both ruin one's reputation and possibly result in a banning.
It's not worth the effort and any victories gained by it would surely impact the psyche of the person who crossed the line to gain an advantage.
Yeah....I guess you are right. The years I've spent in the networking and information security field writing network intrusion detection filters, performing network forensic analysis by evaluating protocol traces and firewall logs, dealing with large scale denial-of-service attacks for a very large financial service institution, managing application security issues and other, "unskilled" activities would preclude me from being able to offer a informed opinion on this matter.
My bad, Icepac, my bad....
Then again, you basically just agreed with the point I was trying to get across with my (admittedly sarcastic) post i.e. yes, it's possible...but it is by no means easy to do, can't be done by everyone, would be easy to catch and isn't worth the time and effort required to pull off.
It would require a good deal of knowledge not only of networking but also of the AH application and how it communicates. Since the person trying to perform this task would likely not have access to the application source code (which would greatly simplify the process) they would have to figure this out through observation of the network communications between the AH client and server.
So thanks for agreeing with my unskilled and uninformed opinion....I'm sure glad you are here to help me! You rock! :rock
XOXO
Ful
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See rule #4
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Deleted for quote of a rule #4 violation
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Yeah....I guess you are right. The years I've spent in the networking and information security field writing network intrusion detection filters, performing network forensic analysis by evaluating protocol traces and firewall logs, dealing with large scale denial-of-service attacks for a very large financial service institution, managing application security issues and other, "unskilled" activities would preclude me from being able to offer a informed opinion on this matter.
Ful
When I said "unskilled" I meant in comparison to me as you surely have some knowledge.
Here is my answer to your opening salvo of a pissing contest you cannot win.
I was doing network installs for the government in 1984 and building RF shielded rooms while installing and designing network topography at sensitive installations and military bases for use with proprietary hardware encryption, I overclocked my first motherboard in 1980 by soldering in a marginally faster crystal, I got my MCSE on DOS and Windows NT3.51, and I can replace a 192 bit graphics coprocessor with nothing more than a razor blade and a crack torch.
So yes.......... while you were studying for your first MCSE exam (likely network essentials), I was porbably an engineer spreading networking across low altitude earth orbit satellites while working for Orbcomm (a division of orbital sciences).
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When I said "unskilled" I meant in comparison to me as you surely have some knowledge.
Here is my answer to your opening salvo of a pissing contest you cannot win.
I was doing network installs for the government in 1984 and building RF shielded rooms while installing and designing network topography at sensitive installations and military bases for use with proprietary hardware encryption, I overclocked my first motherboard in 1980 by soldering in a marginally faster crystal, I got my MCSE on DOS and Windows NT3.51, and I can replace a 192 bit graphics coprocessor with nothing more than a razor blade and a crack torch.
So yes.......... while you were studying for your first MCSE exam (likely network essentials), I was porbably an engineer spreading networking across low altitude earth orbit satellites while working for Orbcomm (a division of orbital sciences).
thats awesome...
you just proved you are the bigger nerd................ :t
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When I said "unskilled" I meant in comparison to me as you surely have some knowledge.
Here is my answer to your opening salvo of a pissing contest you cannot win.
I was doing network installs for the government in 1984 and building RF shielded rooms while installing and designing network topography at sensitive installations and military bases for use with proprietary hardware encryption, I overclocked my first motherboard in 1980 by soldering in a marginally faster crystal, I got my MCSE on DOS and Windows NT3.51, and I can replace a 192 bit graphics coprocessor with nothing more than a razor blade and a crack torch.
So yes.......... while you were studying for your first MCSE exam (likely network essentials), I was porbably an engineer spreading networking across low altitude earth orbit satellites while working for Orbcomm (a division of orbital sciences).
I see why its hard for you to make friends. Your like that Sheldon kid from The Big Bang Theory
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When did you work for Orbcomm icepac? 1984?
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When I said "unskilled" I meant in comparison to me as you surely have some knowledge.
Here is my answer to your opening salvo of a pissing contest you cannot win.
I was doing network installs for the government in 1984 and building RF shielded rooms while installing and designing network topography at sensitive installations and military bases for use with proprietary hardware encryption, I overclocked my first motherboard in 1980 by soldering in a marginally faster crystal, I got my MCSE on DOS and Windows NT3.51, and I can replace a 192 bit graphics coprocessor with nothing more than a razor blade and a crack torch.
So yes.......... while you were studying for your first MCSE exam (likely network essentials), I was probably an engineer spreading networking across low altitude earth orbit satellites while working for Orbcomm (a division of orbital sciences).
Seriously? You are bringing up industry certifications as proof of your superior knowledge? Come on man..... :rolleyes:
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I won cub scout awards.
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I won cub scout awards.
I got kicked out of the boy scouts....
for eating all the brownies.... :D
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I won cub scout awards.
:lol
I got kicked out of the boy scouts....
for eating all the brownies.... :D
I will take the high road and assume you meant the kind you bake. :angel: :lol
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:lol
I will take the high road and assume you meant the kind you bake. :angel: :lol
:rofl
no...the "girl scouts" are called brownies :t
but its just a joke I was never in the boy scouts ;)
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:lol
I will take the high road and assume you meant the kind you bake. :angel: :lol
Did ya hear that "whooshing" sound Fulcrum? It was the point going right over your head....
:rofl
no...the "girl scouts" are called brownies :t
but its just a joke I was never in the boy scouts ;)
I got it... :aok
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Did ya hear that "whooshing" sound Fulcrum? It was the point going right over your head....
I got it... :aok
:D
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Anybody ever try playing AH using the cell phone as a modem?
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Did ya hear that "whooshing" sound Fulcrum? It was the point going right over your head....
I got it... :aok
:rofl So did I, man. Jeez! I'm not that dense. :uhoh