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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: NatCigg on January 12, 2014, 01:12:46 PM
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The state of Michigan has a ten cent deposit. We save all our cans and take them back for good money, scavengers pick up all they can find, and cans are rarely thrown away.
In hindsight I say this plan is a success.
I wonder how other states view their soda and beer bottles? Is pollution a problem? Do you and everyone else recycle or throw away your cans?
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In NJ - recycle
:cheers: Oz
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by 2016 I think is what the news said, vermont is going to have 3 trash cans , 1 for trash, 1 for recycling, and the last for compost. there are several towns here that have mandatory recycling.
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Im looking more towards a compost bin just for the soil it will produce, havent really found one I like yet
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Parts of Cleveland have the recycle bins, we have not received ours yet so for now everything is trash except our aluminum cans which we crush and recycle for the cash.
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Vegas uses privatized sanitation and until last year they only had these tiny open top plastic bins for recycling, so many people don't bother. We'd fill up one of those little bins in a day (3 small kids) and then the wind would tip them over on the street and blow the garbage all over. The sanitation companies finally started switching to new large recycling bins with lids, but it's a city-wide rollout that will take more than a year to avoid fee hikes that would have been necessary to do it quickly. Supposedly if I want a bin early I can pay extra and drive to the nearest recycling center to pick one up, but I'm going to just wait until they drop it off at my house.
In Calif, depending on where you live they have varying degrees of care given to it. In San Diego where my Mom lives, its super easy. They give each house a pretty large covered recycle bin and you can put literally anything recyclable into it. In San Mateo up in the SF Bay area, they go a step farther by not only requiring recycling, they also shrank the size of the "trash" bin to about what would fit into a single lawn and leaf bag. That's all the trash you get for the week without paying a fairly hefty additional fee. Their recycle bins are also the crappy open-top plastic boxes that I hate, but I guess up there its sort of like some religions where they intentionally make things painfully time consuming in order to force you to think about it daily.
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Speaking of SF environmentalists... Funny how many NorCal environmentalists claim to be humanists or atheists, yet they live like religious evangelicals including ritual self-flagellation, in-your-face sermons, and other beliefs based on shady pseudo-science. A quick trip to an upscale local market in SF Bay area will bring you in contact with lots of people who claim to have no religion, yet they're wearing $200 hemp sandals, carry spare save-the-whatever pamphlets in their purse/pack "just in case", and have expensive magnetized pendants or crystals hanging around their necks to help align them with the planetary energy flows. And of course very small rubbish bins at home that they helped vote into law, while they sneak excess trash to dumpsters behind the mall driving their gas guzzling SUVs.
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In TX where I was living 2 yrs ago, we had a single large bin for recyclables but it was only paper and soft biomass (food, grass, and hedge trimmings ok, logs and construction wood not ok). Glass and metal recycling required a trip to the dump so most people didn't bother.
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If I figure gas and tolls........................ ..is it possible?
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Texas sucks on both recycling and water rentention.
For example, San Antonio is the 7th largest city in america yet has no mandatory recycling, has awkward and inconvenient landfill policies and has very little (extra, man-made) infrastructure to capture runoff from the rain.
Voluntary recycling doesn't work unless it's totally convenient to the consumer. In the above landfill policy matter, people have to *pay* to drop off a load at the landfill. And the landfill is fairly complex in what goes where. Just awkward and inconvenient.
Someone makes money off of recycling - just not enough incentive here in Texas yet, I guess.
Having said that, I'm a wannabe recycler who wants it as easy and convenient as possible; but since it isn;t, I don't. My bad... :huh
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The state of Michigan has a ten cent deposit. We save all our cans and take them back for good money, scavengers pick up all they can find, and cans are rarely thrown away.
In hindsight I say this plan is a success.
I wonder how other states view their soda and beer bottles? Is pollution a problem? Do you and everyone else recycle or throw away your cans?
I was against this law when it came into effect, but after all these years my opinion has changed. You never see bottles and cans along the road anymore.
shamus
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I save all my aluminum and sell it to metal yards here in Texas. :aok
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I was going to say. I grew up in Michigan and I was shocked whenever I left the state at how much trash there was in every other state's roadsides and wildernesses. Even the 5cent deposit states, where apparently it wasn't worth a nickle, even for the homeless.
That's another thing I want to point out. The 10 cent deposit is basically putting the homeless or poor or whoever Fox News says needs to go to work, to work. They do it willingly, that ordinarily you'd have to pay someone $10 an hour to do, or use prison / community service labor, or whatever. And they're really good at finding every last can and bottle. Its a win-win situation and I'm surprised that more states haven't done it.
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I save all my aluminum and sell it to metal yards here in Texas. :aok
I have a can crusher I bought at Northern Tool for $5 and keep a kitchen size trash can underneath it. A full kitchen size bag of crushed cans is worth around $5.
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a hefty bag in michigan is around 40$
Many a child has achieved this and more at race tracks and such? In fact, you see clean normal folk going around at large events.
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a hefty bag in michigan is around 40$
Many a child has achieved this and more at race tracks and such? In fact, you see clean normal folk going around at large events.
I did that on the day after the Livonia Spree one year. I opened and dumped a lot of full beer cans into the grass. And then I found a five dollar bill floating on the wind. I was one happy kid.
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I opened and dumped a lot of full beer cans into the grass.
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Texas sucks on both recycling and water rentention.
For example, San Antonio is the 7th largest city in america yet has no mandatory recycling, has awkward and inconvenient landfill policies and has very little (extra, man-made) infrastructure to capture runoff from the rain.
Voluntary recycling doesn't work unless it's totally convenient to the consumer. In the above landfill policy matter, people have to *pay* to drop off a load at the landfill. And the landfill is fairly complex in what goes where. Just awkward and inconvenient.
Someone makes money off of recycling - just not enough incentive here in Texas yet, I guess.
Having said that, I'm a wannabe recycler who wants it as easy and convenient as possible; but since it isn;t, I don't. My bad... :huh
Not true. Convenience is not the way to get people to recycle voluntarily. Make it worthwhile monetarily. Where I live it is not mandated but it saves a fair amount of coin to do it. Recycle and yard waste pick up is free. Garbage is fairly expensive. A little effort saves me about $35.00 a month. Take care of your pennies and your dollars will take care of themselves.
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Where i live in Pennsylvania we are all voluntary recycling....and no deposit on cans.
Tell u the truth....if we had that 10cent deposit on cans...u can bet id be buying a trashcan specifically for nothing but cans to turn in......10cans is a buck......Heck,after having built my bar......and the way it attracts my friends and family...id retire after a month or 2 :D
In Michigan is it cans and bottles? If it is bottles...is it only beer bottles or can you turn in say....a spagetti sauce jar and get10cents?
Regardless....if it has cleaned things up......Wtg Michigan.....Id gladly pay an additonal 2.40 per case of beer.....knowing id get it back when i turned in the cans
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Not true. Convenience is not the way to get people to recycle voluntarily. Make it worthwhile monetarily. Where I live it is not mandated but it saves a fair amount of coin to do it. Recycle and yard waste pick up is free. Garbage is fairly expensive. A little effort saves me about $35.00 a month. Take care of your pennies and your dollars will take care of themselves.
Depends on the person. You'd have to give me about $200 per trip to the dump to make it worth my time, and then if it makes a mess in my car that I have to clean up then I'm just as likely to throw it in the trash. Convenience is the biggest consideration I have when recycling. I know many people aren't in my position, but I'm far more in need of more minutes in my day than I am in need of money, and I've been like that since I entered the USAF academy back in 1990. I also don't watch much TV anymore and quit playing computer games shortly after my first son was born. If it isn't easy to do, anything optional just doesn't get done because I have more important things to do.
So don't discount the importance of a recycling effort being convenient. It's a huge consideration for many people.
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Im looking more towards a compost bin just for the soil it will produce, havent really found one I like yet
Take a standard rain barrel (blue plastic) (http://littlehouseinthesuburbs.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/55_gallon_closed_top_blue_large1.jpg) and drill holes all through the circumference of the drum. Make sure the holes are less than 1/2 inch so they don't release the raw material, rather than the compost iteself...
It works good because all you need to do is rig up a small spit so that you can simply roll the barrel a few turns every week to accelerate the composting process. The best part; the usable soil just falls out and can be scooped up and applied where needed.
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As for the FoxNews comment:
Explain who they are telling that they need to go to work? Homeless watch TV now? :headscratch: Want to give examples of what you state?
You mean with the lowest labor participation rate in US existence and with our current system of reporting unemployment that people don't need to have a job to pay for themselves anymore? :headscratch:
~350K were figured out of the employed counting system, and 78K jobs were created in Dec, yet the unemployment rate went down. :headscratch: Fuzzy, fuzzy system. Collectively we are all accountable for accepting this garbage system.
Regarding recycling, Phoenix has been doing a fairly good job for ~twenty years (to my recollection) we've had a full sized, can with a lid that is specifically for paper products, plastics, metals and almost anything that isn't yard or food waste. I'm not sure how organic material recycling makes any sense; long term it doesn't clog up in a landfill. We have a once a month landfill/dump dropoff for "free" bring your water bill, and a quarterly bulk curbside garbage pickup for anything less than ~80lbs (per item) and not longer than 16', iirc.
As the OP titled the thread, you realize you are getting your money back, as it is a deposit, right? If you look on your receipt in California, there is a specific line (below the taxes) that says the amount you paid in deposit for your plastic bottles and glass. To my knowledge, the deposit is mostly on beverages. So in California, there would not be a refund on a Prego bottle. This is actually a pretty good system however, and I see most of the people I know throwing a lot in the garbage that could be recycled here. Oddly enough, some of them claim to be environmentally minded...Also, my friends in CA toss a lot of things in garbage or recycling that they paid a deposit on and don't possess the inclination to get their money back.
When I lived in Ft. Collins, CO, they had the open lid recycling tub :furious windy days...
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In Wichita Falls TX, they collected organics and composted it. I'm not 100% sure how the system worked, but I *think* the city used the compost for city projects, and twice a year people who lived in the city could go to the composting facility and haul off as much as they wanted for their own uses. I always seemed to forget to start checking the city website because I never found out what day it was until the day AFTER my neighbors had made their compost trip and spread a trailer-full on their lawns once or twice a year.
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michigans program covers soda, beer, wine coolers, and carbonated water only. There was talk of putting a deposit on water bottles and juice containers but that has yet to happen.
While a scavenger has no problem scrubbing thru a salamanderly tree, down a slope, thru the mud to get a beer can; if it is a gatorade bottle it will be left as pollution.
The value of the can is ingrained into our minds. people save their cans in a bag or pile somewhere, and when they have enough, they take them back.
When i lived in oregon (5 cent deposit), not many took back their cans back. It simply was not worth the effort, cans would go in the recycle bin and that was that. In this case the deposit program has ended up being more of a tax then a functional program. Albeit, im sure they still have scavengers that will pick up the litter. yet the culture is more of a moral obligation to recycle versus being driven by a monetary value.
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Depends on the person. You'd have to give me about $200 per trip to the dump to make it worth my time, and then if it makes a mess in my car that I have to clean up then I'm just as likely to throw it in the trash. Convenience is the biggest consideration I have when recycling. I know many people aren't in my position, but I'm far more in need of more minutes in my day than I am in need of money, and I've been like that since I entered the USAF academy back in 1990. I also don't watch much TV anymore and quit playing computer games shortly after my first son was born. If it isn't easy to do, anything optional just doesn't get done because I have more important things to do.
So don't discount the importance of a recycling effort being convenient. It's a huge consideration for many people.
The effort required is putting it in one container or the other. Trash cans are same for garbage as recycle outside. Inside my garbage can is located next to my recycle box's. My garbage service is relatively spendy. My recycle service is free. I know $30.00 is not much. How ever my debt stands at $30,000.00 mortgage on a $120,000.00 home and $4,000 on a car worth 7,000ish wholesale. That and what I owe on my daughters student loans is all I owe. I had a kid late in life and was unprepared for it. She deserves the same shot at success I gave her sister. Her older sister recently graduated from Oregon State with less than 8,000.00 in loan debt.I will not see her loaded with debt when she graduates either. As a single father even though I am retired time is a valuable commodity to me as well. A three y.o. is a handful. Just curious did you go to the Academy with a guy named Tim Parker? Would have been in last or second to last year in 90 I think.
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Just weighed a beer can, .5 oz. 32 beer cans per pound, that would be $3.20 per LB of beer cans refunded. The going scrap value is 50 cents a pound. The State loses $2.70 per LB.
Michigan must have a gundle of money to pay for this boondoggle.
Detroit broke and seeking bankruptcy? Wonder why?
Just thinking I might have got this wrong. If Michigan makes the suppliers add $0.10 to the cost of their products sold in Alum cans for deposit refunds? If my math is correct, scrap value is .015 cent per can, netting the State .085 cents per can on deposit, or .10 cents per can if your lazy.
I feel good about this, I'm saving the planet!
LOL.............30 rack of bud nets the state $2.55 or, $3.00 per rack if you are like me.
Once again the Gov. grows and the people lose.............but we're saving the planet.
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Just weighed a beer can, .5 oz. 32 beer cans per pound, that would be $3.20 per LB of beer cans refunded. The going scrap value is 50 cents a pound. The State loses $2.70 per LB.
Michigan must have a gundle of money to pay for this boondoggle.
Detroit broke and seeking bankruptcy? Wonder why?
Just thinking I might have got this wrong. If Michigan makes the suppliers add $0.10 to the cost of their products sold in Alum cans for deposit refunds? If my math is correct, scrap value is .015 cent per can, netting the State .085 cents per can on deposit, or .10 cents per can if your lazy.
I feel good about this, I'm saving the planet!
LOL.............30 rack of bud nets the state $2.55 or, $3.00 per rack if you are like me.
Once again the Gov. grows and the people lose.............but we're saving the planet.
Ya you got it wrong spammer. The suppliers charge a 10 cent deposit at point of sale and refund that dime when the can is returned. The state actually makes money because the state gets the deposits on any un-returned bottles and cans.
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That would be the retailers adding the ten cents at the point of sale...........point being, once again the consumers foot the bill to fund an ever growing Gov.
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We've had a deposit system on bottles and cans since 1902. I'm surprised it hasn't caught on sooner over on your side of the pond.
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Spammer, if everyone returned the cans/bottles like they should instead of throwing it in the waste, or even worse, in nature, the state would not earn a dime. Seeing how the state has to clean up after those who litter it is a fair way of collecting tax to fund those cleanup efforts.
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Btw. in my country the deposit scheme is not state controlled, but rather a private venture that grew from the soft drink and brewery industry, so it's more of a buy-back scheme than a tax deposit scheme.
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We recycle just about everything here. Every Wednesday is recycle pick-up day. Paper, cardboard, metal cans and plastic. Town provides a 30 gallon can with lid. Not big enough for us, so we hit the Walmart and bought a larger trash can. The town isn't picky about what container you use. We have a 5 cent deposit on soft drink and beer containers. I put these out in plastic trash bags. There are a few older folks in the neighborhood who collect them and take them in for the deposit. A few bucks here and there helps them with their budgets.
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Do you really think it's about protecting the environment or collecting funds for Gov?
Follow the money trail and you will find out they don't care!(Gov.) The consumers always pay the added cost's of regs imposed on suppliers. That's you and me. I put my recyclables in the blue container every week without thinking I might make a profit.(that the taxpayer has to pay for). Electricity up 43%, Gasoline up 120%, I rely on these products "day to day" I cut back my spending in order to recoup my loss. I know that the inflated prices I pay for comes from Gov regs. Does this help the economy or me or you?
Time to rethink.
I probably just ended this thread, sorry Skuzzy, I hang my head in shame and just walk away.
Every feel good piece of legislation hurts the economy and is put on the back of the consumers.
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You won't make a profit, nor will the taxpayers pay for it. You've payed for it yourself. You still don't seem to understand the system.
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Bingo...............You figured it out. We pay for it. It's not a hand out.
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Aluminum and glass aren't harmful to the environment :old:
They may not be eye candy either but...although I'm sure every 2nd grader would scold you.
Spammer don't forget last week AP noted all of our "servants" in DC are millionaires...all but two of them, who probably fell shy by a few grand.
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My wife is a recycle freak, we started our kids on the bottled water instead of soda when they were young and we go through cases fast, but think of the plastic, we just toss them into a gabage bag and once our pile of garbage bags gets high enough in the garage we truck it on over to the town recycle bin, not convenient nor do they they pay us, trash service is also a joke when it comes to recycling with the small little bin that they charge you extra for, I have been watching the land fill mountain grow every year, becoming quite formidable at least they suck off the gas as use it to spin up some generators for electricity.
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At least in europe the deposit is paid by the consumer when he purchases the product and he gets it back once its recycled. That's why its called a deposit.
If you choose not to recycle the product then you lose your deposit. The recycler company then collects the recyclables with state backing and sells them either to scrap or to be washed and reused. Many beverage bottles are good for multiple uses. The state only loses money in the process and the recycling companies make a buck. Apparently a good one too judging from my ex bosses comments of 'having a gold mine' when I used to work at bottle recycling :)
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I'm not a pawn of the Gov.
This will be my last post. If you think this is a good idea, send a big check to the gov to pay for this debacle. They'll take your money and spend it wisely.
This is my last post, I promised myself I wouldn't get involved in issues posted on this board anymore, Here I am, a fool again.
What is the meaning of insanity?
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My wife is a recycle freak, we started our kids on the bottled water instead of soda when they were young and we go through cases fast, but think of the plastic, we just toss them into a gabage bag and once our pile of garbage bags gets high enough in the garage we truck it on over to the town recycle bin, not convenient nor do they they pay us, trash service is also a joke when it comes to recycling with the small little bin that they charge you extra for, I have been watching the land fill mountain grow every year, becoming quite formidable at least they suck off the gas as use it to spin up some generators for electricity.
Recycling is not profitable usually. If you take enough money for the recyclables to cover the actual costs they become too expensive for manufacturers to use. That's why scrap material is sold very cheap to reprocessers or energy providers and the state covers some of the costs. Even then at least in my country a huge pile of energy waste just sits there without any takers. When there is zero demand even the city just abandoned the idea and all the nicely sorted bags of community waste, energy waste etc. just get dumped to the same land fill in the end. An exercise in futility, just like trying to speak sense into forum poster 'made'.
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Bingo...............You figured it out. We pay for it. It's not a hand out.
Lol... You're the only person I know of that has claimed that it was a handout.
Just weighed a beer can, .5 oz. 32 beer cans per pound, that would be $3.20 per LB of beer cans refunded. The going scrap value is 50 cents a pound. The State loses $2.70 per LB.
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In 2012 we achieved 95% return of cans and 94% on bottles. That's pretty good. Bottles have a use as containers in the household so that's probably the reason for the 1% difference from cans.
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Recycling is not profitable usually. If you take enough money for the recyclables to cover the actual costs they become too expensive for manufacturers to use. That's why scrap material is sold very cheap to reprocessers or energy providers and the state covers some of the costs. Even then at least in my country a huge pile of energy waste just sits there without any takers. When there is zero demand even the city just abandoned the idea and all the nicely sorted bags of community waste, energy waste etc. just get dumped to the same land fill in the end. An exercise in futility, just like trying to speak sense into forum poster 'made'.
recycling is very profitable. our steel mill recycles everything and we make a few million dollars out of "trash". as for cans and bottles and such. there's people going thru trash picking them up. there's people that make a decent living out of recycling. and we are talking "father and son" operations and not major businesses.
here in ca the recycling "deposit" is actually is not a tax but a "fee", basically the same thing. every year during budget time they always look for ways to increase these types of "fees" to "encourage people to recycle."
if the stuff gets recycled then the state gets a free loan. if it doesnt it gets to keep the money. it all adds up to several hundred million dollars a year.
semp
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recycling is very profitable. our steel mill recycles everything and we make a few million dollars out of "trash". as for cans and bottles and such. there's people going thru trash picking them up. there's people that make a decent living out of recycling. and we are talking "father and son" operations and not major businesses.
here in ca the recycling "deposit" is actually is not a tax but a "fee", basically the same thing. every year during budget time they always look for ways to increase these types of "fees" to "encourage people to recycle."
if the stuff gets recycled then the state gets a free loan. if it doesnt it gets to keep the money. it all adds up to several hundred million dollars a year.
semp
Recycling steel is a bit different from plastic bottles. Glass is a bit better than plastic but plastic has a very low recycle value. It takes more energy to make new plastic from recyclables than from pure raw ingredients. For energy waste the ratio is even lower, the transportation costs are usually higher than the price waste burning plants will pay for the energy waste. It becomes even less profitable when you consider all the extra hassle and expenses created from having to have 3-4 plastic waste cans in each household and the same thing in the collection points - and the amount of labor spent to sorting the waste.
I was very happy that my city dumped the energy waste sorting thingy. We used to have to sort waste in black bags and energy waste in red bags even at my house. Biowaste we can legally compost ourselves but in reality we just dump it. Some apartment buildings had containers for biowaste, hazardous waste, energy waste, regular dump waste and paper. And all the people living there had piles of sorted waste laying around as kitchen cabinets are designed for 1 or 2 waste cans max :)
The biowaste is then taken into bioprocessing plants which will compost/rot the biowaste to be resold as compost soil. The processing plants create a huge smell that destroys the living quality of anyone unlucky enough to own a house at 10 miles radius from the plant. I have to shut down my car airconditioning every time I pass these plants, can't imagine someone living or working constantly in that stench.
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Here is some data from the Consumer Recycling institute.
(http://www.bottlebill.org/images/graphs/rec-depnon-84-04-nomarks.gif)
http://www.bottlebill.org/about/benefits/waste.htm
Michigan has the the highest recycling rate of any other state. The graph shows a few other states with the 5 cent refund vs. Michigans 10 cent refund vs. the US average. Some states not on the graph have high return rates. Vermont estimates 90% recycled beverages with beer at 97%.
Information provided on the bottlebill.org website shows about a 6% reduction in landfill waste from these programs. Also, the revenue generated to the state from unredeemed deposits seems to be funding more cubside recycling programs and other environmental programs. Through the life of the program in michigan about 97% of deposits have been reclaimed. In 2011 Michigan retained 17.8 million in unredeemed deposits, 75% of the total, The other 25% (4.5 million $) was returned to retailers ( http://www.bottlebill.org/assets/pdfs/legis/usa/MI-2011%20with%20percent%20redeemed.pdf ).
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That would be the retailers adding the ten cents at the point of sale...........point being, once again the consumers foot the bill to fund an ever growing Gov.
You clearly do not understand the recycling program and how it works.
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Dang,
I didn't want reply anymore. I own and run a precision sheet metal company. I recycle everything. I have and pay for a big blue trash can at my house for recyclables. All I'm saying is this "SOMEONE IS PROFITING OFF YOUR GOOD FEELINGS AND YOU PAY FOR IT! AND YOUR NOT PROFITTING, YOUR BEING HOSED" Back in my day we had a distrust of the Gov. Now my generation has taught you that big Gov is the answer to all you problems. I'm willing to bet.......that the Gov. makes more money from this if you don't return your trash for refunds than if you do. Your at a Gas Station with a empty water bottle, do you take it in for your 10 cents or just chuck it the trash? If they cared more about the environment than money, they would have a big blue recyclable can sitting where your fueling up your vehicle, and at all convenience stores.
I'm sorry for what my generation has done to the youth of America. We should be imprisoned. I recycle..........but I don't feel good about laws that hose the people.
I do understand the recycling program, I also understand the underlying intent of Big Gov. and would like to see you keep more of your hard earned money. It would be better for the economy. I'm not saying "not to recycle", re-read my posts.
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Dang,
I didn't want reply anymore. I own and run a precision sheet metal company. I recycle everything. I have and pay for a big blue trash can at my house for recyclables. All I'm saying is this "SOMEONE IS PROFITING OFF YOUR GOOD FEELINGS AND YOU PAY FOR IT! AND YOUR NOT PROFITTING, YOUR BEING HOSED" Back in my day we had a distrust of the Gov. Now my generation has taught you that big Gov is the answer to all you problems. I'm willing to bet.......that the Gov. makes more money from this if you don't return your trash for refunds than if you do. Your at a Gas Station with a empty water bottle, do you take it in for your 10 cents or just chuck it the trash? If they cared more about the environment than money, they would have a big blue recyclable can sitting where your fueling up your vehicle, and at all convenience stores.
I'm sorry for what my generation has done to the youth of America. We should be imprisoned. I recycle..........but I don't feel good about laws that hose the people.
I do understand the recycling program, I also understand the underlying intent of Big Gov. and would like to see you keep more of your hard earned money. It would be better for the economy. I'm not saying "not to recycle", re-read my posts.
The owner of the local recycling company has a all stone built mansion, probably the poshest building in the city. So yes, SOMEONE makes a buck.
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Dang,
I didn't want reply anymore. I own and run a precision sheet metal company. I recycle everything. I have and pay for a big blue trash can at my house for recyclables. All I'm saying is this "SOMEONE IS PROFITING OFF YOUR GOOD FEELINGS AND YOU PAY FOR IT! AND YOUR NOT PROFITTING, YOUR BEING HOSED" Back in my day we had a distrust of the Gov. Now my generation has taught you that big Gov is the answer to all you problems. I'm willing to bet.......that the Gov. makes more money from this if you don't return your trash for refunds than if you do. Your at a Gas Station with a empty water bottle, do you take it in for your 10 cents or just chuck it the trash? If they cared more about the environment than money, they would have a big blue recyclable can sitting where your fueling up your vehicle, and at all convenience stores.
I'm sorry for what my generation has done to the youth of America. We should be imprisoned. I recycle..........but I don't feel good about laws that hose the people.
I do understand the recycling program, I also understand the underlying intent of Big Gov. and would like to see you keep more of your hard earned money. It would be better for the economy. I'm not saying "not to recycle", re-read my posts.
Taxing beer and soda pop containers? Those bastards! how dare they tax the poor that way! I could of used that 60 cents to buy more gas, err rent, err meth. I dont see any additional ten cent tax on that rich mans wine! Just like the man, always bringing us down to lift him up.
Thankfully, screaming paranoid man abolishes drink tax......
Man you remember the good ol days?
Yeah man, I used to walk capital loop and pick up 3.fitty?
yeah, that was dope.
Speaking of dope...lets go rob that ol lady over there.
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Recycling steel is a bit different from plastic bottles. Glass is a bit better than plastic but plastic has a very low recycle value. It takes more energy to make new plastic from recyclables than from pure raw ingredients. For energy waste the ratio is even lower, the transportation costs are usually higher than the price waste burning plants will pay for the energy waste. It becomes even less profitable when you consider all the extra hassle and expenses created from having to have 3-4 plastic waste cans in each household and the same thing in the collection points - and the amount of labor spent to sorting the waste.
I was very happy that my city dumped the energy waste sorting thingy. We used to have to sort waste in black bags and energy waste in red bags even at my house. Biowaste we can legally compost ourselves but in reality we just dump it. Some apartment buildings had containers for biowaste, hazardous waste, energy waste, regular dump waste and paper. And all the people living there had piles of sorted waste laying around as kitchen cabinets are designed for 1 or 2 waste cans max :)
The biowaste is then taken into bioprocessing plants which will compost/rot the biowaste to be resold as compost soil. The processing plants create a huge smell that destroys the living quality of anyone unlucky enough to own a house at 10 miles radius from the plant. I have to shut down my car airconditioning every time I pass these plants, can't imagine someone living or working constantly in that stench.
again ripley you misunderstand a statement.
when I say recycling, i mean picking up cans and bottles and taking them to a recycling center and getting the crv (google it) plus the value of the scrap aluminum, glass, plastic. the value of aluminum cans in our area has been well over 2 dollars per pound for years. not a lot but some people make several hundred dollars a month in extra income.
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again ripley you misunderstand a statement.
when I say recycling, i mean picking up cans and bottles and taking them to a recycling center and getting the crv (google it) plus the value of the scrap aluminum, glass, plastic. the value of aluminum cans in our area has been well over 2 dollars per pound for years. not a lot but some people make several hundred dollars a month in extra income.
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When the topic is deposit it usually means an organized recycling which is based on deposit, not selling scrap metal. If a country has a working social security system it's manifested with a lack of people having to dig trash for a living. It's common in third world countries though.
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When the topic is deposit it usually means an organized recycling which is based on deposit, not selling scrap metal. If a country has a working social security system it's manifested with a lack of people having to dig trash for a living. It's common in third world countries though.
nope when we talk about deposit it means the 5 or 10 cents per bottle that we pay. then if you return it you get it back along the value of the scrap metal. not sure what the laws are in your country, but that is how they are here.
again, you trying to make statements about something you dont know. just like I wont argue over why your country/city got rid of it. I have never been there, never lived there and dont know the laws. I actually dont even know if your country/city uses as much aluminum cans/plastic bottles.... as we do. heck for all I know they still sell milk and beer in glass bottles only as I believe it should be.
semp
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nope when we talk about deposit it means the 5 or 10 cents per bottle that we pay. then if you return it you get it back along the value of the scrap metal. not sure what the laws are in your country, but that is how they are here.
again, you trying to make statements about something you dont know. just like I wont argue over why your country/city got rid of it. I have never been there, never lived there and dont know the laws. I actually dont even know if your country/city uses as much aluminum cans/plastic bottles.... as we do. heck for all I know they still sell milk and beer in glass bottles only as I believe it should be.
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Well obviously your system is different then. And you're right, I wasn't on topic so your note is accepted.