Michigans ten cent deposit

[spammer]

Do you really think it's about protecting the environment or collecting funds for Gov?

Follow the money trail and you will find out they don't care!(Gov.) The consumers always pay the added cost's of regs imposed on suppliers. That's you and me. I put my recyclables in the blue container every week without thinking I might make a profit.(that the taxpayer has to pay for). Electricity up 43%, Gasoline up 120%, I rely on these products "day to day" I cut back my spending in order to recoup my loss. I know that the inflated prices I pay for comes from Gov regs. Does this help the economy or me or you?

Time to rethink.

I probably just ended this thread, sorry Skuzzy, I hang my head in shame and just walk away.

Every feel good piece of legislation hurts the economy and is put on the back of the consumers.

[GScholz]

You won't make a profit, nor will the taxpayers pay for it. You've payed for it yourself. You still don't seem to understand the system.

[spammer]

Bingo...............You figured it out. We pay for it. It's not a hand out.

[RotBaron]

Aluminum and glass aren't harmful to the environment 

They may not be eye candy either but...although I'm sure every 2nd grader would scold you.

Spammer don't forget last week AP noted all of our "servants" in DC are millionaires...all but two of them, who probably fell shy by a few grand.

[HL117]

My wife is a recycle freak, we started our kids on the bottled water instead of soda when they were young and we go through  cases fast, but think of the plastic, we just toss them into a gabage bag and once our pile of garbage bags gets high enough in the garage we truck it on over to the town recycle bin, not convenient nor do they they pay us, trash service is also a joke when it comes to recycling with the small little bin that they charge you extra for, I have been watching the land fill mountain grow every year, becoming quite formidable at least they suck off the gas as use it to spin up some generators for electricity.

[MrRiplEy[H]]

At least in europe the deposit is paid by the consumer when he purchases the product and he gets it back once its recycled. That's why its called a deposit.

If you choose not to recycle the product then you lose your deposit. The recycler company then collects the recyclables with state backing and sells them either to scrap or to be washed and reused. Many beverage bottles are good for multiple uses. The state only loses money in the process and the recycling companies make a buck. Apparently a good one too judging from my ex bosses comments of 'having a gold mine' when I used to work at bottle recycling

[spammer]

I'm not a pawn of the Gov.

This will be my last post. If you think this is a good idea, send a big check to the gov to pay for this debacle. They'll take your money and spend it wisely.

This is my last post, I promised myself I wouldn't get involved in issues posted on this board anymore, Here I am, a fool again.

What is the meaning of insanity?

[MrRiplEy[H]]

My wife is a recycle freak, we started our kids on the bottled water instead of soda when they were young and we go through  cases fast, but think of the plastic, we just toss them into a gabage bag and once our pile of garbage bags gets high enough in the garage we truck it on over to the town recycle bin, not convenient nor do they they pay us, trash service is also a joke when it comes to recycling with the small little bin that they charge you extra for, I have been watching the land fill mountain grow every year, becoming quite formidable at least they suck off the gas as use it to spin up some generators for electricity.

Recycling is not profitable usually. If you take enough money for the recyclables to cover the actual costs they become too expensive for manufacturers to use. That's why scrap material is sold very cheap to reprocessers or energy providers and the state covers some of the costs. Even then at least in my country a huge pile of energy waste just sits there without any takers. When there is zero demand even the city just abandoned the idea and all the nicely sorted bags of community waste, energy waste etc. just get dumped to the same land fill in the end. An exercise in futility, just like trying to speak sense into forum poster 'made'.

[GScholz]

Bingo...............You figured it out. We pay for it. It's not a hand out.

Lol... You're the only person I know of that has claimed that it was a handout.

Just weighed a beer can, .5 oz. 32 beer cans per pound, that would be $3.20 per LB of beer cans refunded. The going scrap value is 50 cents a pound. The State loses $2.70 per LB.

[GScholz]

In 2012 we achieved 95% return of cans and 94% on bottles. That's pretty good. Bottles have a use as containers in the household so that's probably the reason for the 1% difference from cans.

[guncrasher]

Recycling is not profitable usually. If you take enough money for the recyclables to cover the actual costs they become too expensive for manufacturers to use. That's why scrap material is sold very cheap to reprocessers or energy providers and the state covers some of the costs. Even then at least in my country a huge pile of energy waste just sits there without any takers. When there is zero demand even the city just abandoned the idea and all the nicely sorted bags of community waste, energy waste etc. just get dumped to the same land fill in the end. An exercise in futility, just like trying to speak sense into forum poster 'made'.

recycling is very profitable.  our steel mill recycles everything and we make a few million dollars out of "trash".  as for cans and bottles and such.  there's people going thru trash picking them up.  there's people that make a decent living out of recycling.  and we are talking "father and son" operations and not major businesses.

here in ca the recycling "deposit" is actually is not a tax but a "fee", basically the same thing.  every year during budget time they always look for ways to increase these types of "fees" to "encourage people to recycle."

if the stuff gets recycled then the state gets a free loan.  if it doesnt it gets to keep the money.  it all adds up to several hundred million dollars a year.


semp

[MrRiplEy[H]]

recycling is very profitable.  our steel mill recycles everything and we make a few million dollars out of "trash".  as for cans and bottles and such.  there's people going thru trash picking them up.  there's people that make a decent living out of recycling.  and we are talking "father and son" operations and not major businesses.

here in ca the recycling "deposit" is actually is not a tax but a "fee", basically the same thing.  every year during budget time they always look for ways to increase these types of "fees" to "encourage people to recycle."

if the stuff gets recycled then the state gets a free loan.  if it doesnt it gets to keep the money.  it all adds up to several hundred million dollars a year.


semp

Recycling steel is a bit different from plastic bottles. Glass is a bit better than plastic but plastic has a very low recycle value. It takes more energy to make new plastic from recyclables than from pure raw ingredients. For energy waste the ratio is even lower, the transportation costs are usually higher than the price waste burning plants will pay for the energy waste. It becomes even less profitable when you consider all the extra hassle and expenses created from having to have 3-4 plastic waste cans in each household and the same thing in the collection points - and the amount of labor spent to sorting the waste.

I was very happy that my city dumped the energy waste sorting thingy. We used to have to sort waste in black bags and energy waste in red bags even at my house. Biowaste we can legally compost ourselves but in reality we just dump it. Some apartment buildings had containers for biowaste, hazardous waste, energy waste, regular dump waste and paper. And all the people living there had piles of sorted waste laying around as kitchen cabinets are designed for 1 or 2 waste cans max

The biowaste is then taken into bioprocessing plants which will compost/rot the biowaste to be resold as compost soil. The processing plants create a huge smell that destroys the living quality of anyone unlucky enough to own a house at 10 miles radius from the plant. I have to shut down my car airconditioning every time I pass these plants, can't imagine someone living or working constantly in that stench.

[NatCigg]

Here is some data from the Consumer Recycling institute.



http://www.bottlebill.org/about/benefits/waste.htm

Michigan has the the highest recycling rate of any other state.  The graph shows a few other states with the 5 cent refund vs. Michigans 10 cent refund vs. the US average.  Some states not on the graph have high return rates. Vermont estimates 90% recycled beverages with beer at 97%.

Information provided on the bottlebill.org website shows about a 6% reduction in landfill waste from these programs.  Also, the revenue generated to the state from unredeemed deposits seems to be funding more cubside recycling programs and other environmental programs.  Through the life of the program in michigan about 97% of deposits have been reclaimed.  In 2011 Michigan retained 17.8 million in unredeemed deposits, 75% of the total, The other 25% (4.5 million $) was returned to retailers ( http://www.bottlebill.org/assets/pdfs/legis/usa/MI-2011%20with%20percent%20redeemed.pdf ).

[rpm]

That would be the retailers adding the ten cents at the point of sale...........point being, once again the consumers foot the bill to fund an ever growing Gov.

You clearly do not understand the recycling program and how it works.

[spammer]

Dang,
I didn't want reply anymore. I own and run a precision sheet metal company. I recycle everything. I have and pay for a big blue trash can at my house for recyclables. All I'm saying is this "SOMEONE IS PROFITING OFF YOUR GOOD FEELINGS AND YOU PAY FOR IT! AND YOUR NOT PROFITTING, YOUR BEING HOSED" Back in my day we had a distrust of the Gov. Now my generation has taught you that big Gov is the answer to all you problems. I'm willing to bet.......that the Gov. makes more money from this if you don't return your trash for refunds than if you do. Your at a Gas Station with a empty water bottle, do you take it in for your 10 cents or just chuck it the trash? If they cared more about the environment than money, they would have a big blue recyclable can sitting where your fueling up your vehicle, and at all convenience stores.

I'm sorry for what my generation has done to the youth of America. We should be imprisoned. I recycle..........but I don't feel good about laws that hose the people.

I do understand the recycling program, I also understand the underlying intent of Big Gov. and would like to see you keep more of your hard earned money. It would be better for the economy. I'm not saying "not to recycle", re-read my posts.