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Title: Do you own a "smart" appliance?
Post by: rpm on January 18, 2014, 03:47:29 AM
If you own an internet connected "smart" appliance you may have a botnet as well. :noid

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"Proofpoint's findings reveal that cyber criminals have begun to commandeer home routers, smart appliances and other components of the Internet of Things and transform them into 'thingbots,'" to carry out the same kinds of attacks normally associated with personal computers.

The security firm that these appliances may become attractive targets for hackers because they often have less security than PCs or tablets.

Proofpoint said it documented the incidents between December 23 and January 6, which featured "waves of malicious email, typically sent in bursts of 100,000, three times per day, targeting enterprises and individuals worldwide."

More than 25 percent of the volume was sent by things that were not conventional laptops, desktop computers or mobile devices. No more than 10 emails were initiated from any single device, making the attack difficult to block based on location

http://phys.org/news/2014-01-cyberattack-hacked-refrigerator.html

Title: Re: Do you own a "smart" appliance?
Post by: Mar on January 18, 2014, 03:55:38 AM
And why the hell would I want to connect my stove to the intardweebs anyways?

   ... Just don't know what else to say ...

Oh here's one: money doesn't fix stupid.
Title: Re: Do you own a "smart" appliance?
Post by: rpm on January 18, 2014, 04:04:15 AM
Integrated home systems are the big thing now. Haven't you seen the commercial where Dad turns off the oven, lights, a/c, kitchen sink and sets the alarm all from his phone on vacation?
Title: Re: Do you own a "smart" appliance?
Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on January 18, 2014, 04:10:03 AM
Integrated home systems are the big thing now. Haven't you seen the commercial where Dad turns off the oven, lights, a/c, kitchen sink and sets the alarm all from his phone on vacation?

Sounds good. So when a hacker turns on your stove at night or when you were away, who is going to make that excuse to the insurance company if the house burns? :D
Title: Re: Do you own a "smart" appliance?
Post by: zack1234 on January 18, 2014, 04:19:38 AM
I got married so I dont need a smart oven or toaster :old:

I am so anoying she buys me things to keep me quiet :old:

And makes me food :old:
Title: Re: Do you own a "smart" appliance?
Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on January 18, 2014, 04:37:16 AM
I got married so I dont need a smart oven or toaster :old:

I am so anoying she buys me things to keep me quiet :old:

And makes me food :old:

I thought a wife was the original smart toaster.
Title: Re: Do you own a "smart" appliance?
Post by: homersipes on January 18, 2014, 05:30:24 AM
there is a thermostat that you can access on a smart phone to turn the temp up or down also, I dont think all of this "smart" technology is very smart at all  :noid
Title: Re: Do you own a "smart" appliance?
Post by: xbrit on January 18, 2014, 08:52:36 AM
A lot of the "Smart"  in appliances are troubleshooting devices.
Title: Re: Do you own a "smart" appliance?
Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on January 18, 2014, 11:40:17 AM
there is a thermostat that you can access on a smart phone to turn the temp up or down also, I dont think all of this "smart" technology is very smart at all  :noid

Yep would make a nice practical joke to turn off the heating at sub zero temps. House totaled, pretty much no way to know who did it.
Title: Re: Do you own a "smart" appliance?
Post by: homersipes on January 18, 2014, 11:46:21 AM
that is absolutely correct sir!  all you need is the code to access it and bingo youre in.  well just getting online, people can trace where you live atleast I think they can by the IP address. 
Title: Re: Do you own a "smart" appliance?
Post by: mbailey on January 18, 2014, 12:06:24 PM
  who is going to make that excuse to the insurance company if the house burns? :D


Still a covered loss regardless  :D
Title: Re: Do you own a "smart" appliance?
Post by: guncrasher on January 18, 2014, 12:43:46 PM
Sounds good. So when a hacker turns on your stove at night or when you were away, who is going to make that excuse to the insurance company if the house burns? :D

crap a house will burn if the stove is on.  damn it, you should have mentioned that before.  I am removing the stove and throwing it away.  hey you think the water heater on 24/7 is a danger too?



semp
Title: Re: Do you own a "smart" appliance?
Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on January 18, 2014, 01:21:46 PM

Still a covered loss regardless  :D

They can have a 50% deduction if they can show the accident was caused by neglicence. No biggie, just 200k hit.
Title: Re: Do you own a "smart" appliance?
Post by: Dragon on January 18, 2014, 01:22:14 PM
crap a house will burn if the stove is on.  damn it, you should have mentioned that before.  I am removing the stove and throwing it away.  hey you think the water heater on 24/7 is a danger too?



semp

I think this is pointed at the people that don't cook and use their stove as storage.  I know at least 2 people like this, one of them I turned on the stove to preheat it to keep a stack of delivered pizza's warm not knowing he stored all of his Tupperware in there. After 5 min I opened the door to put the food in and found a pool of melted plastic.  Took  many hours to chisel it all out.   :furious
Title: Re: Do you own a "smart" appliance?
Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on January 18, 2014, 01:23:19 PM
crap a house will burn if the stove is on.  damn it, you should have mentioned that before.  I am removing the stove and throwing it away.  hey you think the water heater on 24/7 is a danger too?



semp

Yeah in case you didn't know, a stove left on has started many fires. Sometimes people have stove gloves, towels etc. in the vicinity of stoves when they're not used. But at least you learned something new again!
Title: Re: Do you own a "smart" appliance?
Post by: rpm on January 18, 2014, 01:52:44 PM
I was thinking more along the lines of some hacker sending a virus that shuts all your stuff off permanently. "Did you purchase the optional $19.95 anti-virus for your blender?"
Title: Re: Do you own a "smart" appliance?
Post by: guncrasher on January 18, 2014, 02:10:54 PM
I think this is pointed at the people that don't cook and use their stove as storage.  I know at least 2 people like this, one of them I turned on the stove to preheat it to keep a stack of delivered pizza's warm not knowing he stored all of his Tupperware in there. After 5 min I opened the door to put the food in and found a pool of melted plastic.  Took  many hours to chisel it all out.   :furious

I know people that used their water heater enclosure to store the gas for their lawnmower.  but you cant fix stupid.  leaving the stove on for hours, days, weeks will not cause a fire in itself.  it's not different that having the furnace on for days and weeks at a time during winter.

the only fire it will cause is when you get the gas bill and you explode.

Yeah in case you didn't know, a stove left on has started many fires. Sometimes people have stove gloves, towels etc. in the vicinity of stoves when they're not used. But at least you learned something new again!

again you cant fix stupid.  see above.

semp
Title: Re: Do you own a "smart" appliance?
Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on January 18, 2014, 03:15:33 PM
I know people that used their water heater enclosure to store the gas for their lawnmower.  but you cant fix stupid.  leaving the stove on for hours, days, weeks will not cause a fire in itself.  it's not different that having the furnace on for days and weeks at a time during winter.

the only fire it will cause is when you get the gas bill and you explode.

again you cant fix stupid.  see above.

semp

There's nothing stupid in storing flammable things in the vicinity of your stove when it's not used. Some people have small kitchens. Then again if a hacker can remotely activate things without seeing the risks, that would be an extremely bad situation for the house owner. For example right now we have 15 below freezing down here. I would not want anyone even theoretically be able to shut down the heating from my property. Even though all the plumbing in my house was renovated in 2007 and use new protected plastic piping, the connectors and the faucets are still metallic and vulnerable to freeze damage.

I have a separate garage/hobby building which still has old copper piping. A few winters back the heater blew a fuse and a part of the building went sub zero. I don't visit the hobby area too often during winter partly because I'm too lazy to remove the snow accumulated in the pathway so one day I open the door to get more antifreeze for my car window washer and I hear water splashing. I investigate further and to my surprise I have water gushing through the wall panels. I had to rip open the panel to plug the leak and to my horror the water had been spraying directly to a 400V high current power socket I have in the hobby room lol. I was lucky to escape that one without bigger damage.
Title: Re: Do you own a "smart" appliance?
Post by: mbailey on January 18, 2014, 04:03:56 PM
They can have a 50% deduction if they can show the accident was caused by neglicence. No biggie, just 200k hit.

Ummmm.  No. Not at all