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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: BnZs on January 18, 2014, 06:17:27 AM
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I'm pimping the game to everyone I know who might be interested. Y'all should be doing the same! More subs, good thing for everyone. :aok
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Get a Faceboook page and like HTC's page. That will allow all your friends to see it because HTC is posting more frequently there.
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Already done! (I'm under 50, ergo I already had an FB page)
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I'm one of the managers of a page called "Geeky Sexy Epic" on there, it reaches about 300, I try to put something Aces High related on their once a week, seems like there might be a few in that crowd interested.
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Twitter...AH is actively tweeting every bit of news and photos they have coming out. They need more followers there too.
@hitechcreations
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I talked one of my best buds into signing up, he's just waiting to buy a decent stick. :aok
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My films are my effort.
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My films are my effort.
Then fire up a Twitter account and let us all forward them to other people directly from YouTube. :salute
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Twitter... no
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Twitter... no
Other people appreciating your videos.....no
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There is nothing stopping the films being shared or forwarded now
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Wow, direct marketing to a bbf, and they might sign up and 300 in a channel feed, perhaps if just one half of 1% signed up. To bad there isn't a mass marketing device available to the business owners of AH , something that might reach millions at once, perhaps someday that media might be invented, oh, wait, I think it's been around for 60 years or more , I see these short story, clips on my TV, they call them commercials. They reach 10's of millions and if AH could only attract one half of 1% of that viewing public. I'm not talking about that lame commercial that runs every fifth year for one program on the history channel. But actually going after a mass market on a popular TV show, like "The Big Bang Theory" It has a huge gamming audience following. But that would cost more than likely five years of their marketing budget.
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Wow, direct marketing to a bbf, and they might sign up and 300 in a channel feed, perhaps if just one half of 1% signed up. To bad there isn't a mass marketing device available to the business owners of AH , something that might reach millions at once, perhaps someday that media might be invented, oh, wait, I think it's been around for 60 years or more , I see these short story, clips on my TV, they call them commercials. They reach 10's of millions and if AH could only attract one half of 1% of that viewing public. I'm not talking about that lame commercial that runs every fifth year for one program on the history channel. But actually going after a mass market on a popular TV show, like "The Big Bang Theory" It has a huge gamming audience following. But that would cost more than likely five years of their marketing budget.
one reason i think they have not advertised is the graphics right how when the new terrain engine comes out they will probably start
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There is nothing stopping the films being shared or forwarded now
I know but don't utilize one more form of mass comm...that might be too much, lol
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Wow, direct marketing to a bbf, and they might sign up and 300 in a channel feed, perhaps if just one half of 1% signed up. To bad there isn't a mass marketing device available to the business owners of AH , something that might reach millions at once, perhaps someday that media might be invented, oh, wait, I think it's been around for 60 years or more , I see these short story, clips on my TV, they call them commercials. They reach 10's of millions and if AH could only attract one half of 1% of that viewing public. I'm not talking about that lame commercial that runs every fifth year for one program on the history channel. But actually going after a mass market on a popular TV show, like "The Big Bang Theory" It has a huge gamming audience following. But that would cost more than likely five years of their marketing budget.
The point of this thread is for folks who care about sharing their game experience to coordinate and try to pass on info about the Game via word-of-mouth, basically. There is no reason to be an ultra melon in this thread. If you don't feel like messing around with Social Media, then you don't have to. It's just an open idea...
Also, HTC has done commercials before. I saw one, and that's why I signed up in the first place. There's no reason to think they won't advertise on TV again in the future.
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I started up a Twitter account to try to do this too.
I haven't reached many..lol...but I have had one person ask me about the game and how to get started...that is better than none. :)
I have tweeted some AH vids I thought were good. If anybody doesn't mind me tweeting theirs, please let me know and I will.
I am @AHPepprr if you want to follow and retweet. :)
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I believe I've followed all three of yas... :rock
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Yes! :) I listened to some of your soundcloud as well...great music! :aok
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Yes! :) I listened to some of your soundcloud as well...great music! :aok
Aw thanks! :aok
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The point of this thread is for folks who care about sharing their game experience to coordinate and try to pass on info about the Game via word-of-mouth, basically. There is no reason to be an ultra melon in this thread. If you don't feel like messing around with Social Media, then you don't have to. It's just an open idea...
Also, HTC has done commercials before. I saw one, and that's why I signed up in the first place. There's no reason to think they won't advertise on TV again in the future.
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I believe the subject is "Let's market!", not "Let's use Social Media to market this game". The game has been around for over a decade and is in the state it's in because of the poor job of marketing. Word of mouth doesn't work. It's not the responsibility of the player community to market this product. It's AH's and from my seat, they have done a piss poor job of mass marketing this product. But marketing cost money and I can understand I've never seen an AH commercial on a prime time show on a prime time network.
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I believe the subject is "Let's market!", not "Let's use Social Media to market this game". The game has been around for over a decade and is in the state it's in because of the poor job of marketing. Word of mouth doesn't work. It's not the responsibility of the player community to market this product. It's AH's and from my seat, they have done a piss poor job of mass marketing this product. But marketing cost money and I can understand I've never seen an AH commercial on a prime time show on a prime time network.
....and so if the community can help by bringing it up in social media we should NOT because it isn't our responsibility. huh, what a wonderful world you must live in.
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I believe the subject is "Let's market!", not "Let's use Social Media to market this game". The game has been around for over a decade and is in the state it's in because of the poor job of marketing. Word of mouth doesn't work. It's not the responsibility of the player community to market this product. It's AH's and from my seat, they have done a piss poor job of mass marketing this product. But marketing cost money and I can understand I've never seen an AH commercial on a prime time show on a prime time network.
Well they must've pulled something off... Or did you hear about the game from magic gnomes?
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Well they must've pulled something off... Or did you hear about the game from magic gnomes?
Social networking wasn't even around when Fugi and I started playing. Traditional marketing and advertising are a rut. Don't get stuck in a rut. It's also free. Free is good.
Marketing is a package that now includes social networking. As much as 1999 was a great year for you, move on.
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Social networking wasn't even around when Fugi and I started playing. Traditional marketing and advertising are a rut. Don't get stuck in a rut. It's also free. Free is good.
Marketing is a package that now includes social networking. As much as 1999 was a great year for you, move on.
I agree with you, and was trying to defend the point... I was simply try to ask Traveler not to be a butthead because his views differ.
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I agree with you, and was trying to defend the point... I was simply try to ask Traveler not to be a butthead because his views differ.
I quoted the wrong post. Apologies
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It's not the responsibility of the player community to market this product.
That's no reason not to give some help that doesn't cost you anything. Unless you object to the lack of marketing by the company so much that out of spite you want your beloved game to go out of business???
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I signed up in late 02 after watching a tv commercial for AH.
Not sure why they no longer do that. I see WT ads all over the place. particularly on the
interwebs on various BBS's that I inhabit. Most are not even remotely connected to flight sims.
ifish.net, a northwest salmon fishing forum even has WT ads on it.
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I'm pimping the game to everyone I know who might be interested. Y'all should be doing the same! More subs, good thing for everyone. :aok
Changing the 12 hour rule to 1 hour, would do the most advertisement for older peeps in semi AH retirement.
:aok
JUGgler
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Changing the 12 hour rule to 1 hour, would do the most advertisement for older peeps in semi AH retirement.
:aok
JUGgler
:aok
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Well they must've pulled something off... Or did you hear about the game from magic gnomes?
The same way I found AW way back when, When Aw shut down I did another internet search for WWII flight games and found and Aces High and some others, I tried and liked AH. I've been here a very long time and can count on one hand the number of times I've seen commercial advertisement for this game and I've never seen it on a prime time show on a prime time network.
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....and so if the community can help by bringing it up in social media we should NOT because it isn't our responsibility. huh, what a wonderful world you must live in.
I just said that "Word of Mouth doesn't work". If you think a "Like" or what ever on FaceBook will drive thousands of additional subscribers to this game, well go for it. I'm just saying if AH doesn't care to advertise it's product, why should the community of players. In my world, a business sets a budget to produce it's product and that budget generally includes advertising.
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I just said that "Word of Mouth doesn't work". If you think a "Like" or what ever on FaceBook will drive thousands of additional subscribers to this game, well go for it. I'm just saying if AH doesn't care to advertise it's product, why should the community of players. In my world, a business sets a budget to produce it's product and that budget generally includes advertising.
I agree they should spend more money on advertising. I think a print add in Fine Scale Modeler (http://www.finescale.com/) wouldn't break the bank but would reach a large number of people who may find this game interesting. On the other hand telling people "not to bother" with social media is foolish.
It is THE in thing right now as far as reaching out to hundreds, thousands of people for MOST people. A company on a small budget can't go wrong with using it, and if people are willing to put in a small amount of time to help it can help spread the word about this game.
Why would you "poo-poo" any idea that might help get that info out?
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Htc. Has awesome plan up there sleeves. They are going to let war thunder become a old game people get tired with it. The. They will then come out with new terrain. Then they will advertise and get a good bit the crowd in
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Htc. Has awesome plan up there sleeves. They are going to let war thunder become a old game people get tired with it. The. They will then come out with new terrain. Then they will advertise and get a good bit the crowd in
and you know this to be a fact because HTC shared this information with you?
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I would prodly drive around with an aces high bumber sticker on my truck
or or ne big enough for my tail gate. :)
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I agree they should spend more money on advertising. I think a print add in Fine Scale Modeler (http://www.finescale.com/) wouldn't break the bank but would reach a large number of people who may find this game interesting. On the other hand telling people "not to bother" with social media is foolish.
It is THE in thing right now as far as reaching out to hundreds, thousands of people for MOST people. A company on a small budget can't go wrong with using it, and if people are willing to put in a small amount of time to help it can help spread the word about this game.
Why would you "poo-poo" any idea that might help get that info out?
I would "poo-poo" any unauthorized info that represented being originated from AH that did not come from AH. Are the advertisers representing actual fact, authorized by AH? Are the advertisers authorized to represent the true nature and value of the product by AH.
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I just said that "Word of Mouth doesn't work". If you think a "Like" or what ever on FaceBook will drive thousands of additional subscribers to this game, well go for it. I'm just saying if AH doesn't care to advertise it's product, why should the community of players. In my world, a business sets a budget to produce it's product and that budget generally includes advertising.
Ever heard of a small little indie title called Minecraft? It exploded almost only through word of mouth when it was still in alpha/beta testing.
As to advertising in prime time TV... that would be a misguided use of a huge chunk of the advertising budget. Those 15-30 slots cost a huge amount and the viewers they reach might only contain a small % of potential players.
New media enables a much more focused allocation of budget. I.E after the new engine is added, find a Youtuber who has a large WT/WOT following like Jingles or Quickybaby to start looking and doing LPs of AH. Jingles has 180,000 + subs who are there to watch WW2 flying and Tank combat games. Though the film viewer needs a real reworking to make it much more user friendly to help with this.
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I just said that "Word of Mouth doesn't work". If you think a "Like" or what ever on FaceBook will drive thousands of additional subscribers to this game, well go for it. I'm just saying if AH doesn't care to advertise it's product, why should the community of players. In my world, a business sets a budget to produce it's product and that budget generally includes advertising.
Having spent about 20 years in marketing and advertising word of mouth is the best (and worst) form of advertising available to a business. Studies have shown that an individual consumer will express their satisfaction (or disatisfaction) with a product or service to eight other people.
Due to the costs involved, mass market advertising is only effective for large scale (mostly) consumer oriented businesses. In this environment you'd be lucky to reach 1% of people who see the ad, have a computer and are interested in WWII airial combat simulations. That's 1% of people meeting all three conditions. Target marketing to a niche audience could bump that number up to 6% or maybe even higher. Furthermore, the only way mass market advertising works at all is through saturation repetition making the stakes much higher.
Having been involved in Internet advertising I found that even if I reached my target audience through traditional media (radio, television, print) the likelyhood of those people acting to click on the website once they were back at their computers was greatly reduced so I wasn't able to even pull the 1-6% numbers. Online advertising had the greatest effect as people could immediately act on impulse after seeing my message. Response rates to specific campaigns produced numbers exceeding 20% and rarely fell below the 6% range.
The confluence of these realities are why every large and small company in existance now rely to a great degree on social media to spread their message and to monitor consumer sentiment.
I'll contact HT on your behalf to try to work out a deal whereby you get 10% of the proceeds for one year from people who sign subscriptions to AH due to prime time TV advertising. I dare you to put up the money to run those prime time ads on major networks.
BTW, here's all you need to get started: http://www.adweek.com/news/television/their-prime-broadcast-spot-costs-soar-132805 (http://www.adweek.com/news/television/their-prime-broadcast-spot-costs-soar-132805) I can hear you counting up all those subscriptions already.
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I would "poo-poo" any unauthorized info that represented being originated from AH that did not come from AH. Are the advertisers representing actual fact, authorized by AH? Are the advertisers authorized to represent the true nature and value of the product by AH.
Ahhhh I see so you NEVER listen to opinions of people who go to the movies, or say buy lawn mowers that you may be interested in, or any other word of mouth advertising/promotion/opinion on any product you look to use or purchase. You rely totally on "official" advertisements put out by those company's you are looking to possibly purchase from. You have never bought items for your company on the recommendations of friends or business partners, again relying totally on the "un bias" advertising of the company you purchase from?
Pleaseeeeee :rolleyes:
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New media enables a much more focused allocation of budget. I.E after the new engine is added, find a Youtuber who has a large WT/WOT following like Jingles or Quickybaby to start looking and doing LPs of AH. Jingles has 180,000 + subs who are there to watch WW2 flying and Tank combat games. Though the film viewer needs a real reworking to make it much more user friendly to help with this.
If the viewer was easier, I would spend more time playing with it.. I would then post videos online when I came across good sorties...
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I would "poo-poo" any unauthorized info that represented being originated from AH that did not come from AH. Are the advertisers representing actual fact, authorized by AH? Are the advertisers authorized to represent the true nature and value of the product by AH.
Judging by that uninspiring film of AH I saw not so long ago that was made from players films, I think it would be best if HTC didn't do the advertising of AH themselves.
That film for sure would have put me off had I not already know what playing AH was actually like.
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Judging by that uninspiring film of AH I saw not so long ago that was made from players films, I think it would be best if HTC didn't do the advertising of AH themselves.
That film for sure would have put me off had I not already know what playing AH was actually like.
Have to agree here.
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I'll contact HT on your behalf to try to work out a deal whereby you get 10% of the proceeds for one year from people who sign subscriptions to AH due to prime time TV advertising. I dare you to put up the money to run those prime time ads on major networks.
are you an idiot? No one is authorized to contact AH on my behalf.
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Ahhhh I see so you NEVER listen to opinions of people who go to the movies, or say buy lawn mowers that you may be interested in, or any other word of mouth advertising/promotion/opinion on any product you look to use or purchase.
100% correct. I rely on my own research and determine if the product meets my needs and decide if I want to pay the price asked. As to going to the movies, I watch the reviews given by the professional movie reviewers, if they pan it, I go see it, if they love it, I pass it bye.
You rely totally on "official" advertisements put out by those company's you are looking to possibly purchase from. You have never bought items for your company on the recommendations of friends or business partners, again relying totally on the "un bias" advertising of the company you purchase from?
I rely on no one except myself, I decide.
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Ever heard of a small little indie title called Minecraft? It exploded almost only through word of mouth when it was still in alpha/beta testing.
As to advertising in prime time TV... that would be a misguided use of a huge chunk of the advertising budget. Those 15-30 slots cost a huge amount and the viewers they reach might only contain a small % of potential players.
New media enables a much more focused allocation of budget. I.E after the new engine is added, find a Youtuber who has a large WT/WOT following like Jingles or Quickybaby to start looking and doing LPs of AH. Jingles has 180,000 + subs who are there to watch WW2 flying and Tank combat games. Though the film viewer needs a real reworking to make it much more user friendly to help with this.
Well that new media has been around for over 20 years. Word of mouth advertising for AH has not worked out well over the last 14 years. Even worst, do google search for World War 2 flight simulator and AH is not even listed or I did a google search fo rWorld War 2 combat simulator, because every one is always pointing out that it's not a flight sim, it's a combat sim, well , AH is still a no show.
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Having spent about 20 years in marketing and advertising word of mouth is the best (and worst) form of advertising available to a business. Studies have shown that an individual consumer will express their satisfaction (or disatisfaction) with a product or service to eight other people.
Due to the costs involved, mass market advertising is only effective for large scale (mostly) consumer oriented businesses. In this environment you'd be lucky to reach 1% of people who see the ad, have a computer and are interested in WWII airial combat simulations. That's 1% of people meeting all three conditions. Target marketing to a niche audience could bump that number up to 6% or maybe even higher. Furthermore, the only way mass market advertising works at all is through saturation repetition making the stakes much higher.
Having been involved in Internet advertising I found that even if I reached my target audience through traditional media (radio, television, print) the likelyhood of those people acting to click on the website once they were back at their computers was greatly reduced so I wasn't able to even pull the 1-6% numbers. Online advertising had the greatest effect as people could immediately act on impulse after seeing my message. Response rates to specific campaigns produced numbers exceeding 20% and rarely fell below the 6% range.
The confluence of these realities are why every large and small company in existance now rely to a great degree on social media to spread their message and to monitor consumer sentiment.
I'll contact HT on your behalf to try to work out a deal whereby you get 10% of the proceeds for one year from people who sign subscriptions to AH due to prime time TV advertising. I dare you to put up the money to run those prime time ads on major networks.
BTW, here's all you need to get started: http://www.adweek.com/news/television/their-prime-broadcast-spot-costs-soar-132805 (http://www.adweek.com/news/television/their-prime-broadcast-spot-costs-soar-132805) I can hear you counting up all those subscriptions already.
What I think you are talking about here is one advertising campaign put together by a professional advertising agency giving one look and feel to a product and conveying a unified message about that product on behalf of their client. What is proposed in this thread was advertising being produced by members of the community that's 1 to n number of different messages conveying what ever each felt was the important message about the product, with no approval or sanction by AH. That's not an advertising campaigns, that's just stupid.
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What I think you are talking about here is one advertising campaign put together by a professional advertising agency giving one look and feel to a product and conveying a unified message about that product on behalf of their client. What is proposed in this thread was advertising being produced by members of the community that's 1 to n number of different messages conveying what ever each felt was the important message about the product, with no approval or sanction by AH. That's not an advertising campaigns, that's just stupid.
I understand that. I was commenting on your desire to have HT place prime time TV ads. There's no way they could be cost effective for a small company with a niche product like HTC. I've been there and run those campaigns.
I also failed to mention the law of diminishing returns on mass advertising. Even if you have a strong call to action and get 1% of the general population that sees the ad and meets the initial criteria to act (i.e. investigate further) now you're in the realm of targeted consumers. You'd be lucky to convert 20% of those to paying subscribers.
If it was your business would you put up hundreds of thousands of dollars to possibly capture less than 0.020% of the people who saw your ad? That's a big gamble.
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I understand that. I was commenting on your desire to have HT place prime time TV ads. There's no way they could be cost effective for a small company with a niche product like HTC. I've been there and run those campaigns.
I also failed to mention the law of diminishing returns on mass advertising. Even if you have a strong call to action and get 1% of the general population that sees the ad and meets the initial criteria to act (i.e. investigate further) now you're in the realm of targeted consumers. You'd be lucky to convert 20% of those to paying subscribers.
If it was your business would you put up hundreds of thousands of dollars to possibly capture less than 0.020% of the people who saw your ad? That's a big gamble.
And that's exactly why I said, HT needs professionals, not a bunch of community players providing guidance for AH advertising.
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Well, I found this game by word of mouth. Round about the time AW was dieing out, my uncle who was much more into AW than I mentioned AH. Been here since.
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Well, I found this game by word of mouth. Round about the time AW was dieing out, my uncle who was much more into AW than I mentioned AH. Been here since.
I also found the game through word of mouth from those exiting AW at the end.
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I saw the commercial for 3 years before my son talked me into it. He was 5 and said it was free...
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i found it from the commercial
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I just put it on G+ gamers community... lets see how many likes its gonna get.
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i did a search on flight sims and found it, but that was years ago. i was also already into combat flight sims, so one of my searches turned up aces high. ive been addicted ever since.
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When Air Warrior was ending, I searched around to get a list of multiplayer WWII air-combat sims and looked into them. Aces High was the best in terms of flight model and had the most AW pilots in it, so it was an easy choice.
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Also, I knew HiTech and Pyro from early Air Warrior days, so another plus was supporting their latest sim.
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I work on recruiting friends and people I meet into AH if it seems like they might enjoy it. So far, I recruited in my dad (Popsman), a friend and coworker (Tudza), and my nephew Zacherof.
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When I was at CH, one of our best marketing campaigns that resulted in a lot of sales for our joysticks was a result of partnerships we did with developers. We partnered with developers to add advertising inserts into their game boxes and vice versa. We did it with Activision, EA, Kesmai and some others and it was very successful for all parties. It's also relatively inexpensive compared to other marketing we had tried at the time.
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Well they must've pulled something off... Or did you hear about the game from magic gnomes?
^^^^^this^^^^ to much social media now days, no one "TALKS" to each other. Twitter, facebook all BS to me. I found this game by "TALKING" with some one, maybe the world might want to try it more!
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well so far only 1 like on the post i send under g+ gamers community... not very encouraging ...