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Title: Update the 110 now?
Post by: USRanger on January 21, 2014, 02:19:05 PM
I usually ask for this a couple times a year, so here's my latest.  I'm asking the 110 gets its well deserved update soon.  Thank you. :salute
Title: Re: Update the 110 now?
Post by: Fulcrum on January 21, 2014, 02:44:14 PM
For selfish reasons I'll tag my +1 to this request.   :)
Title: Re: Update the 110 now?
Post by: Karnak on January 21, 2014, 03:10:03 PM
110s would be a good choice due to usage.  Ju88A-4 is the oldest model left.  I'd say do one of those, Bf110s or Ju88A-4 and add a new version or two of the Ju88.
Title: Re: Update the 110 now?
Post by: Tank-Ace on January 21, 2014, 03:33:29 PM
110E and F maybe?
Title: Re: Update the 110 now?
Post by: tmetal on January 21, 2014, 03:52:55 PM
+1 for updating the main reason I initially signed up for AH
Title: Re: Update the 110 now?
Post by: BluBerry on January 21, 2014, 04:48:51 PM
They need to update the 110, and the interiors of planes like the FM2 and KI61.. especially before they launch the new wave of marketing after the terrain update. Those cockpits take you straight back to 2000.

+1
Title: Re: Update the 110 now?
Post by: morfiend on January 21, 2014, 04:53:20 PM
 Along with an update I'd be greedy and request optional weapons included.

  110C could use the Mk101 and for the G2 I'd like to see the BK3.7.


  I think these weapons would make both planes much more popular!



   :salute
Title: Re: Update the 110 now?
Post by: Tank-Ace on January 21, 2014, 05:01:09 PM
Along with an update I'd be greedy and request optional weapons included.

  110C could use the Mk101 and for the G2 I'd like to see the BK3.7.


  I think these weapons would make both planes much more popular!



   :salute


But..... Their ENY values. If we're not careful, the 110 will end up being ENY 5 and perked.
Title: Re: Update the 110 now?
Post by: jedi25 on January 21, 2014, 05:12:50 PM
Yes!! Yes!! +1

I am behind this one, way overdue.
Title: Re: Update the 110 now?
Post by: morfiend on January 21, 2014, 06:07:09 PM

But..... Their ENY values. If we're not careful, the 110 will end up being ENY 5 and perked.


  The stuka has 37 mm guns,it's not perked!  The Il2 has 37mm guns,it's not perked!  I dont see how adding the 37mm to the 110G would require a perk,the added weight and drag would greatly effect it's handling.

  The only thing I see as a possible issue is if HTC gives us a choice in ammo,he or ap because if we got ap rounds that would make the 110 the best can opener in the game!


    :salute
Title: Re: Update the 110 now?
Post by: USRanger on January 21, 2014, 06:31:37 PM
I was actually surprised the the stuka was remodeled before the 110, as it sees more use.  I'm fine with the JU-88 being done also because that is my other favorite ride.  Would be a win-win for me. :)
Title: Re: Update the 110 now?
Post by: Lusche on January 21, 2014, 06:43:28 PM
I was actually surprised the the stuka was remodeled before the 110, as it sees more use.

I hope I just missed the irony tags... ;)
Title: Re: Update the 110 now?
Post by: USRanger on January 21, 2014, 07:14:15 PM
You don't agree that the 110s have seen more player use than the JU-87D-3 has?
Title: Re: Update the 110 now?
Post by: Lusche on January 21, 2014, 07:19:00 PM
You don't agree that the 110s have seen more player use than the JU-87D-3 has?

Yes I do, and I now noticed I read your statment backwards... :o
Title: Re: Update the 110 now?
Post by: JUGgler on January 21, 2014, 07:20:17 PM
110s would be a good choice due to usage.  Ju88A-4 is the oldest model left.  I'd say do one of those, Bf110s or Ju88A-4 and add a new version or two of the Ju88.

Oh, I agree on the JU88, give it a reasonable forward firing gun and I will make them cry  :devil



JUGgler
Title: Re: Update the 110 now?
Post by: Tank-Ace on January 22, 2014, 10:41:12 AM

  The stuka has 37 mm guns,it's not perked!  The Il2 has 37mm guns,it's not perked!  I dont see how adding the 37mm to the 110G would require a perk,the added weight and drag would greatly effect it's handling.

  The only thing I see as a possible issue is if HTC gives us a choice in ammo,he or ap because if we got ap rounds that would make the 110 the best can opener in the game!


    :salute

I was more poking fun at the 110's comically low ENY. The plane is just not good enough for ENY 15. 20, maybe, 25 would be more accurate for its capabilities.
Title: Re: Update the 110 now?
Post by: Fulcrum on January 22, 2014, 11:11:47 AM
I was more poking fun at the 110's comically low ENY. The plane is just not good enough for ENY 15. 20, maybe, 25 would be more accurate for its capabilities.

I guess you haven't gone buff hunting in one then.   I've not figured out what my K/D is vs bombers for this month but offhand I can say its pretty huge and I don't think that's a unique experience.

Don't get me wrong...in general I agree it should probably be around 20.  But 1 v 1 vs. other fighters it can still be deadly.  I find many discount it's abilities in fighter to fighter combat and then are surprised to get there  :ahand.   :D

Title: Re: Update the 110 now?
Post by: Tank-Ace on January 22, 2014, 11:35:20 AM
I guess you haven't gone buff hunting in one then.   I've not figured out what my K/D is vs bombers for this month but offhand I can say its pretty huge and I don't think that's a unique experience.

Don't get me wrong...in general I agree it should probably be around 20.  But 1 v 1 vs. other fighters it can still be deadly.  I find many discount it's abilities in fighter to fighter combat and then are surprised to get there  :ahand.   :D

Fulcrum, the only two things the 110G does decent is bomb truck, and carry a lot of guns. And a 110C can be deadly as well, but that doesn't mean it isn't solidly an ENY 40 aircraft.


I feel like we've let popularity take too much of a hand in ENY values. Not to say that it should be discounted entirely; just that it should be more performance-based.
Title: Re: Update the 110 now?
Post by: Fulcrum on January 22, 2014, 11:44:25 AM
Fulcrum, the only two things the 110G does decent is bomb truck, and carry a lot of guns. And a 110C can be deadly as well, but that doesn't mean it isn't solidly an ENY 40 aircraft.


I feel like we've let popularity take too much of a hand in ENY values. Not to say that it should be discounted entirely; just that it should be more performance-based.

I suppose that's a matter of perspective and opinion.  If someone wants to make a case for me to earn more for my kills who am I to argue? 

:salute
Title: Re: Update the 110 now?
Post by: Karnak on January 22, 2014, 12:30:06 PM
I feel like we've let popularity take too much of a hand in ENY values. Not to say that it should be discounted entirely; just that it should be more performance-based.
That would remove the diversity encouraging factor of ENY and introduce a hornets nest of contention regarding proper evaluation and weighting of the various performance aspects.  Popularity reflects the actual usefulness of the unit in the game rather than a single person's opinion of where its performance should be ranked.
Title: Re: Update the 110 now?
Post by: icepac on January 23, 2014, 08:40:16 AM
I sure kill a lot of single engine fighters with it as well as run down b29s.

When I see a strat raid comprised of b17s and escorts, I go after the escorts rather than face the b17 guns.

Of course, the escorts then snuggle up to the bombers they were supposed to protect and bask in the warmth of the B17 defensive armament.
Title: Re: Update the 110 now?
Post by: Karnak on January 23, 2014, 02:15:43 PM
I sure kill a lot of single engine fighters with it as well as run down b29s.

Above 28,000ft it is not possible to run down the B-29 in the Bf110.  With smart flying you may set yourself up for an intercept, but you need to make it count as the bombs will outrun you and you don't want to be parked on the six of a B-29 formation, though given your firepower you'd likely take one or more of them with you.
(http://www.hitechcreations.com/components/com_ahplaneperf/genchart.php?p1=114&p2=63&pw=2&gtype=0&gui=localhost&itemsel=GameData)
Title: Re: Update the 110 now?
Post by: Tank-Ace on January 23, 2014, 03:24:45 PM
I'm not sure whether to be impressed at the B-29's performance, or disappointed in the 110's. Both?
Title: Re: Update the 110 now?
Post by: icepac on January 24, 2014, 10:54:59 AM
Above 28,000ft it is not possible to run down the B-29 in the Bf110.  With smart flying you may set yourself up for an intercept, but you need to make it count as the bombs will outrun you and you don't want to be parked on the six of a B-29 formation, though given your firepower you'd likely take one or more of them with you.
(http://www.hitechcreations.com/components/com_ahplaneperf/genchart.php?p1=114&p2=63&pw=2&gtype=0&gui=localhost&itemsel=GameData)


I do it a few times every tour.

There are a few things you can do to ensure success.

1.   Altitude...........Altitude will allow you to catch most any plane in the game with most any plane in the game if the advantage is enough.

2.  Using the winds aloft directions to your advantage can put up to 60mph advantage in your favor if the buffs you are chasing are heading into a 30mph headwind while you have a 30mph tailwind.

3.   Carrying enough fuel to cause the buffs to panic and descend or enough fuel to run them out of fuel.

3 B29s in 4 seconds over 28k chasing down with 60mph speed advantage mentioned above.

(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5497/12052219306_8c29c9b73f_b.jpg)
Title: Re: Update the 110 now?
Post by: USRanger on January 27, 2014, 02:24:44 AM
Bumped for HT's Monday morning read.