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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: FL3 on February 01, 2014, 09:36:44 PM
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I know this topic has been brought up a number of times, but it still bothers me.
In a game that is based on WWII, you must realize the any landing within the area of the base should count as a successful landing, (as long as you walk away). Seems like this should be an easy fix. Heck the Germans and Russians didn't have to many actual fields to use, just pasture's, and same in England for most of the war.
So seems just fair to award a landing anywhere on the confine's of a air base.
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Easiest fix is to land on the concrete. :old:
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Easiest fix is to land on the concrete. :old:
:aok
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There has to be a line drawn some place and HTC has picked the runway. It's a challenge to land on the runway damaged, but you get the "landed safely". If you don't land on the runway you don't get a good landing much like if you don't put enough rounds into a bogie you don't get the kill.
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There has to be a line drawn some place and HTC has picked the runway. It's a challenge to land on the runway damaged, but you get the "landed safely". If you don't land on the runway you don't get a good landing much like if you don't put enough rounds into a bogie you don't get the kill.
This^^^ Or fly in WW1 arena you can land successfully anywhere on the bases.
:salute
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I know this topic has been brought up a number of times, but it still bothers me.
In a game that is based on WWII, you must realize the any landing within the area of the base should count as a successful landing, (as long as you walk away). Seems like this should be an easy fix. Heck the Germans and Russians didn't have to many actual fields to use, just pasture's, and same in England for most of the war.
So seems just fair to award a landing anywhere on the confine's of a air base.
+1
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Yet we routinely see 12 clowns in P38s landing gear up after a horde base take.
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We must land on concret, yet can takeoff from the hangar across the turf…
or land at a Vbase and have it a "good" landing because you end up on concrete.
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We must land on concret, yet can takeoff from the hangar across the turf…
or land at a Vbase and have it a "good" landing because you end up on concrete.
Most aircraft in Aces High were capable of taking off from dirt airstrips, they didn't explode the second their tires touched grass.
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Most aircraft in Aces High were capable of taking off from dirt airstrips, they didn't explode the second their tires touched grass.
Having actually landed a WWII aircraft on a grass strip I'm well aware of that fact. Those grass/dirt/coral strips were prepped, rolled, maintained so that the aircraft would not sink thru them. The vast majority of them used marston matting/PSP so that they could support the weight of an armed aircraft. In game we're able to takeoff and land anywhere…..
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except the MA and Aces High is NOT "based" on WW2...nor does NOT try to recreate WW2.....
it uses WW2 equipment that is all....
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If you're really shot up, just land near the base. Then click f3 then f8 . Push hat switch forward to get external view from above. Then drive it to concrete. This has saved many sorties.
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Most aircraft in Aces High were capable of taking off from dirt airstrips, they didn't explode the second their tires touched grass.
but also if you took the wing off an airplane and he crashed on the runway you were awarded with a kill anyway.
semp
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we don't need no prepared fields, take a look at these 109s and 190s taking off :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tp4ChYkkGSg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tp4ChYkkGSg)
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If you're really shot up, just land near the base. Then click f3 then f8 . Push hat switch forward to get external view from above. Then drive it to concrete. This has saved many sorties.
I remember a squad member driving through the road system of the map, with his shot through radiator of his Dora :lol
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This is not an old issue. This is a nonissue.
Nonissue." Merriam-Webster.com. Merriam-Webster, n.d. Web. 3 Feb. 2014. <http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/nonissue>.
non·is·sue noun \ˈnän-ˈi-(ˌ)shü\
: an issue that is not important : something that people are not concerned about
: an issue of little importance, validity, or concern
I understand it may not be an either/or situation, but I'd rather have HTC focused on the new terrain, brining back the clouds, and bridging the gap between a flap that looks like it's shot off yet still provides lift.
As to HTC's determination that grass=ditch, meh. Don't care.
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You should get a "Ditch" if you don't land wheels down on the Runway so you can get rolled over to the repair shop and not scooped up with a forklift. :devil
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Having actually landed a WWII aircraft on a grass strip I'm well aware of that fact. Those grass/dirt/coral strips were prepped, rolled, maintained so that the aircraft would not sink thru them. The vast majority of them used marston matting/PSP so that they could support the weight of an armed aircraft. In game we're able to takeoff and land anywhere…..
I remember the "sticky grass" in warbirds and kinda liked it.
They also had certain planes enabled at "non-airfields" that were nearly impossible to take off from those "non-airfields" and loved the challenge of getting one airborne.
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You should get a "Ditch" if you don't land wheels down on the Runway so you can get rolled over to the repair shop and not scooped up with a forklift. :devil
Agreed if the wheels are broke it should be a ditch regardless of where you land.
However landing wheels down beside the runway should not be penalised either IMO.
Really folk should be rewarded ( or conversely not penalised) for bringing home undamaged aircraft. Unfortunately this would make the same folk ( who would care about such stuff) less likely to engage in risky combat.
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I know this topic has been brought up a number of times, but it still bothers me.
In a game that is based on WWII, you must realize the any landing within the area of the base should count as a successful landing, (as long as you walk away). Seems like this should be an easy fix. Heck the Germans and Russians didn't have to many actual fields to use, just pasture's, and same in England for most of the war.
So seems just fair to award a landing anywhere on the confine's of a air base.
FL3,
I used to think the same thing, and actually posted a similar Wish I beileve so me years a ago. It seems silly, but Landing would simply be too easy if anywhere on the base was the criteria. This way, while seemingly not "realistic" it does add to the challenge of game play and I've come to appreciate it. And this from a guy who has lost more then one Me-262 by a couple of feet. Frustrating, but that's the point. :salute
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This is not an old issue. This is a nonissue.
Nonissue." Merriam-Webster.com. Merriam-Webster, n.d. Web. 3 Feb. 2014. <http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/nonissue>.
non·is·sue noun \ˈnän-ˈi-(ˌ)shü\
: an issue that is not important : something that people are not concerned about
: an issue of little importance, validity, or concern
I understand it may not be an either/or situation, but I'd rather have HTC focused on the new terrain, brining back the clouds, and bridging the gap between a flap that looks like it's shot off yet still provides lift.
As to HTC's determination that grass=ditch, meh. Don't care.
Lol. Amen.
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This is one of the few cases where I agree gameplay should take a back seat to 'realism'. Consider the gameplay each alternative would produce.
If you required wheels-down landings to get a 'safe landing' there'd be no reason whatsoever to RTB with damaged gear. You may as well ditch halfway back to friendly territory.
If you only have to be within the perimeter of the field, runways become decorational for landing, it gets much much easier to get your safe landing and doesn't 'mean' as much. You didn't have to have as tight control on your plane as landing on the concrete to get the same benefit. Base defense would look a whole lot different.
Wiley.
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Realism first please.
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Unless I am concluding a sortie, I never land on the runway. To rearm, I land on turf directly in line with the rearm pad. I stop on the pad.
Maybe, we need a third definition for any landing on a base wheels-up.
In other words...
Wheels down on concrete or flight deck: "Safe Landing", full perks. Kills shown in text buffer.
Wheels up/wheels down on concrete or anywhere inside the base perimeter or flight deck: "Crash Landing", 75% perks. Kills shown in text buffer.
Wheels up or wheels down in friendly territory, not on any base or flight deck: "Ditch", 50% perks. No kills shown in text buffer.
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realism first! i say have friendly collisions enabled also!! :cheers:
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Having actually landed a WWII aircraft on a grass strip I'm well aware of that fact. Those grass/dirt/coral strips were prepped, rolled, maintained so that the aircraft would not sink thru them. The vast majority of them used marston matting/PSP so that they could support the weight of an armed aircraft. In game we're able to takeoff and land anywhere…..
:rofl :aok
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Unless I am concluding a sortie, I never land on the runway. To rearm, I land on turf directly in line with the rearm pad. I stop on the pad.
Maybe, we need a third definition for any landing on a base wheels-up.
In other words...
Wheels down on concrete or flight deck: "Safe Landing", full perks. Kills shown in text buffer.
Wheels up/wheels down on concrete or anywhere inside the base perimeter or flight deck: "Crash Landing", 75% perks. Kills shown in text buffer.
Wheels up or wheels down in friendly territory, not on any base or flight deck: "Ditch", 50% perks. No kills shown in text buffer.
The percentages could be quibbled with, but the spirit of this idea, I like.
Wiley.
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land? people land in this game?? :D
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You should get a "Ditch" if you don't land wheels down on the Runway so you can get rolled over to the repair shop and not scooped up with a forklift. :devil
This.
Was about to say the same thing.
I'd favor changing only gears down landings as landings. Anything else a ditch.
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If you want wheels, don't get them shot off.
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:rofl :aok
How is this funny?
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You should get a "Ditch" if you don't land wheels down on the Runway so you can get rolled over to the repair shop and not scooped up with a forklift. :devil
amen, but wheels down anywhere in the airfield is a landing...not a ditch.
ditch definition (short for last ditch-made as a final effort especially to avert disaster). wheels up on yer field ain't a ditch. it is a successful landing.
frustrates me when i land out of gas and roll a little long and my wheels stop on the grass at the end, and its a ditch
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I remember a squad member driving through the road system of the map, with his shot through radiator of his Dora :lol
I have done this before myself. :lol
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you make anywhere on the field a landing, then someone will complain when they're just inches off the field..
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Once again I receive a stupid ditch this is just plain and simple stupid HTC come on dang it, I land on the friggin runway left gear gone slide so the nose of the B26 is off the runway and get a ditch?????????????????????? this just sucks the big one. An airfield is a GD airfield land on the field anywhere and walk away you get a GD safe landing. It doesn't make it to easy it makes it real. :bhead
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Once again I receive a stupid ditch this is just plain and simple stupid HTC come on dang it, I land on the friggin runway left gear gone slide so the nose of the B26 is off the runway and get a ditch?????????????????????? this just sucks the big one. An airfield is a GD airfield land on the field anywhere and walk away you get a GD safe landing. It doesn't make it to easy it makes it real. :bhead
Real? I doubt they would call a belly landing next to the runway a "'safe landing"...
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amen, but wheels down anywhere in the airfield is a landing...not a ditch.
ditch definition (short for last ditch-made as a final effort especially to avert disaster). wheels up on yer field ain't a ditch. it is a successful landing.
It may be a landing.... The pilot may have survived .....but there is little successful about it if you broke the plane .
I think the frustration is when we land a healthy ac and carelessly return to tower only to find we did not park it fully on the concrete..... to my view the ditch category is pretty harsh under those circumstances.
I have never heard any anecdote where by landing a plane wheels up was any thing other than referred to as "ditching" the aircraft...... usually deliberatly beside the run way rather than on it.
Strangely if you go to any airfield in the UK it has something that no AH airfield has............. A fence........ Or a hedge around its perimeter.
My father tells stories of his stupid pilot attempting to bounce a fully laden Halifax over the hedge at the end of the runway at Lynton.
Perhaps if AH fields had hedges or fences then the edge of the field would be better defined and some pilits would focus a little more on not running through them.
Then perhaps wheels down landings within the perimeter could be better classified without fear that the next request is for such landings on the wrong side ( or in) the perimeter fence/ hedge.
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Looks good to me
(http://media.iwm.org.uk/iwm/mediaLib/37/media-37966/large.jpg)
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I think FW, Me, and Spit planes are compromised structurally a bit landing on concrete. Designed for grass fields...one would think they are stronger but I am not so sure*.I have broke more gear in four days flying these than in four months flying P-51, F4U, etc.
* I remember the CAF Buchon being put in the hangar for many years because the concrete runway in Harlingen was wreaking havoc on the wing spar where the gear attaches.
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Once again I receive a stupid ditch this is just plain and simple stupid HTC come on dang it, I land on the friggin runway left gear gone slide so the nose of the B26 is off the runway and get a ditch?????????????????????? this just sucks the big one. An airfield is a GD airfield land on the field anywhere and walk away you get a GD safe landing. It doesn't make it to easy it makes it real. :bhead
This is a game, not real life. To get a good landing you must remain on the runway.
To do critical damage to another's plane you must hit critical components....not just near by.
To do damage with bombs you must hit with in a certain distance.... not some place in the same grid.
It is just a game rule. If you want to get a good landing LEARN TO LAND ON THE RUNWAY.
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(http://i.imgur.com/omSwnDb.jpg)
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I have never heard any anecdote where by landing a plane wheels up was any thing other than referred to as "ditching" the aircraft...... usually deliberatly beside the run way rather than on
In 40 years of flying a or 20 years doing Crash Rescue I've never heard a gear up landing called anything but a gear up landing. "Ditching" refers to putting the airplane down on water
Ditching as used in the game is just a game reference.
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Real? I doubt they would call a belly landing next to the runway a "'safe landing"...
..... No but the pilot completed his mission and got back to his base and walked away.... then he got a new plane just like in AH :)
Is "Safe" the objective or returning home Alive?
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..... No but the pilot completed his mission and got back to his base and walked away.... then he got a new plane just like in AH :)
Is "Safe" the objective or returning home Alive?
Well, you get "home alive" when you bail in friendly territory as well, and yet the penalties are even worse than with a "ditch"...
It's really simply a gameplay definition: A safe landing is everytime you end up on friendly concrete. If you don't do that, you more or less failed. Yes, it sucks to end up with a ditch due to damage (PW ect), but that's just the challenge.
I have to admit I really don't understand how this is an issue at all.
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I have to admit I really don't understand how this is an issue at all.
someone botched a landing and didn't get name in lights. :bolt:
(or lost perks)
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When I first started playing I took my score dead serious. It was 'everything' to me when playing. However, after playing for roughly a year I got over it, realizing that some of those who weren't ranked in the "elite" were still really good. Got in a squad and seen the laid back attitudes of every-day people just wanting to have a good time. I admit, it is sometimes frustrating when you land and something like that happens. Been there, we all have at one point or another.
I think of many pros and cons of the game, but I think of it as a balancing thing. In this case, sure you might think you deserve to get a landed safely because you landed within a certain distance of the base, or you are 'parked' right next to the runway. You can view that as a pro or a con. I think it's a balancing factor (most likely unintended by HTC) for having 'unlimited' lives and planes. Lets face it, if you crashed an expensive aircraft like that, do you think ANYONE would allow you to fly in another one if you kept crashing them? We get the luxury of crashing, shooting them up, and losing parts all across the 'worlds' and still get a new plane, no questions asked.. or the hassle.
*shrug*
I used to think the same way. But I like the challenge of landing on the runway. :joystick:
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100 people surveyed, top 5 answers are on the board....name an issue with the game that you feel is a priority to fix asap. You said...Ditching anywhere...survey said!!!....
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100 people surveyed, top 5 answers are on the board....name an issue with the game that you feel is a priority to fix asap. You said...Ditching anywhere...survey said!!!....
Ding! #3 answer!
FIFY.
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except the MA and Aces High is NOT "based" on WW2...nor does NOT try to recreate WW2.....
it uses WW2 equipment that is all....
And that's a crying shame...
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And that's a crying shame...
no it aint. :aok
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Maybe it's backlash from people observing guys coming in gear up and rolling the plane up until it's nothing but a small tube with a pilot in it and getting a safe "landing" while a guy landing gear down and having one wheel 1 inch off the concrete not 25 feet from a hangar being credited with a ditch.
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Maybe it's backlash from people observing guys coming in gear up and rolling the plane up until it's nothing but a small tube with a pilot in it and getting a safe "landing" while a guy landing gear down and having one wheel 1 inch off the concrete not 25 feet from a hangar being credited with a ditch.
This.