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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: mbailey on February 02, 2014, 01:23:00 PM
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Philip Seymour Hoffman passes away at 46 years old. Very sad ... Talented actor
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Another good one lost to drugs, it seems.
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WTF? A great talent lost. I usually could care less when one of these spoiled babies OD but I believe this guy was different. He made it on talent alone and this is just sad news to any movie Lover.
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WTF? A great talent lost. I usually could care less when one of these spoiled babies OD but I believe this guy was different. He made it on talent alone and this is just sad news to any movie Lover.
Yep. Damn shame.
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When a successful person ODs on heroin, do you still refer to it "passing away"? "Throws it all away for drugs", "trades impressive career for permanent high" or "wins the heroin lottery" seems more apropos.
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Fell off the wagon after 23 years... :confused:
Kinda makes me regret some youthfully dumb, past decisions..
Good actor though, sorry he's gone.
<S>
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We've had some terrible news, Dude.
Brand's gone. This sucks. :frown:
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Hey, you're a fool you
Stick them needles in your arm
I know I been there before
One little problem that confronts you
Got a monkey on your back
Just one more fix, Lord might do the trick
One hell of a price for you to get your kicks
Ooooh that smell
Can't you smell that smell
Ooooh that smell
The smell of death surrounds you
Ooooh that smell
Can't you smell that smell
Ooooh that smell
The smell of death surrounds you
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Sad events, best movie scene ever
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQ_4m2ocxhI
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We've had some terrible news, Dude.
Brand's gone. This sucks. :frown:
:aok
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He was a fine actor, it's a shame.
shamus
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Sad events, best movie scene ever
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQ_4m2ocxhI
That was the best movie scene.
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Yup....found with 50 bags of heroin and other prescription meds...great man...he'll be steadily on the road to sobriety now. Think I'm mean, horrid, uncaring/ Yup, when it comes to addicts, no sympathy, we didn't lose a great person, we just lost another addict who chose his fate. Live with one a while...you'll understand.
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All that was said is he was a good actor, not Gandhi.
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"passes" lol. bad title.
RIP. I'd seen him once or twice around the West Village over the years. Always looked messed up.
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Live by the needle die by the needle, just another junkie dead.
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Passes, passed away or passed on, is used as a general term to describe a persons death, whether accidental or intentional it describes the movement into death, afterlife etc.
We all do it (die) and just like Seymour-Hoffman, after you pass on, people will remember you for something. People who OD might be remembered by strangers as junkies, while some people will remember strangers by the things they say as Jerks.
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Passes, passed away or passed on, is used as a general term to describe a persons death, whether accidental or intentional it describes the movement into death, afterlife etc.
We all do it (die) and just like Seymour-Hoffman, after you pass on, people will remember you for something. People who OD might be remembered by strangers as junkies, while some people will remember strangers by the things they say as Jerks.
Aye. Remembering back when Belushi died, I selfishly mourned MY loss (no more Belushi movies?! You died too soon John!). I still thought he did a stupid thing. It didn't mean he was a stupid man. Even SH talked of those who found fame at a younger age than he who couldn't handle sudden access to drugs (ironic).
It's a tragic loss for everyone who misses him. It's a sad commentary for everyone who doesn't care.
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Until your life has directly been effected by an addict, you have no valid opinion about what someone thinks or says about the removal of a piece of vermin from this earth. Whatever good they might have done is totally removed by the hell they put some loved one through. I'm no jerk. I have been through this, on both sides. Don't speak on what you don't know.
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Until your life has directly been effected by an addict, you have no valid opinion about what someone thinks or says about the removal of a piece of vermin from this earth. Whatever good they might have done is totally removed by the hell they put some loved one through. I'm no jerk. I have been through this, on both sides. Don't speak on what you don't know.
Easy there. You obviously have issues from your personal experiences. You say you've been through this 'from both sides' (whatever that means). I'm taking your experiences do not involve, however, burying a son or daughter who died from a drug overdose or having a friend or relative bury one. Labeling everyone who died that way a 'piece of vermin' simply exhibits how narrow and hateful a mind you have. I reckon I'll speak my mind like you do.
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Passes, passed away or passed on, is used as a general term to describe a persons death, whether accidental or intentional it describes the movement into death, afterlife etc.
We all do it (die) and just like Seymour-Hoffman, after you pass on, people will remember you for something. People who OD might be remembered by strangers as junkies, while some people will remember strangers by the things they say as Jerks.
We'll put Nef
Oh and Copr. I am one of those people that have lived with it on both sides of the fence and have been affected by a others addictions in horrendous ways, so to quote you I have every Golly-geen right to have an opinion on this, I just choose not to spew it on a forum. A life is a life and good or bad when it comes to an end I choose to weigh the good more than the bad. The day I'm perfect I'll throw stones in my glass house....but I don't see me picking up any rocks any time soon ......I'm sure your house has lots of holes in it
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Until your life has directly been effected by an addict, you have no valid opinion about what someone thinks or says about the removal of a piece of vermin from this earth. Whatever good they might have done is totally removed by the hell they put some loved one through. I'm no jerk. I have been through this, on both sides. Don't speak on what you don't know.
How do you know that he put anyone through hell?
As a wealthy man he probably had easy access to good quality heroin, and was very likely completely different from the stereotypical junkie trash.
If you have enough money it's much easier to support a drug habit without turning into a wreck of a human being.
"passes" lol. bad title.
RIP. I'd seen him once or twice around the West Village over the years. Always looked messed up.
:rofl And there is the post from the first page that proves me wrong :D At least with regards to PSH...
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Until your life has directly been effected by an addict, you have no valid opinion about what someone thinks or says about the removal of a piece of vermin from this earth. Whatever good they might have done is totally removed by the hell they put some loved one through. I'm no jerk. I have been through this, on both sides. Don't speak on what you don't know.
Just as you shouldnt speak for all families and all addicts that have been through it. By assuming all addicts are vermin you have no valid opinion.
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See Rule #14
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Don't speak on what you don't know.
For you to assume that I don't know anything about addiction or been personally affected by it explains a lot about your comments.
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sad..
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When a successful person ODs on heroin, do you still refer to it "passing away"? "Throws it all away for drugs", "trades impressive career for permanent high" or "wins the heroin lottery" seems more apropos.
Superb, erudite and succinct, expresses my feelings on this issue perfectly :old:
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See Rule #14
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Whats your problem Danny!
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The man was a great actor and a funny guy.
But the point is valid. He was breaking the law and abusing a substance that is commonly accepted as dangerous.
If you play the game you will eventually lose.
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Whats your problem Danny!
I'm not as tall as I'd like.
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Wear ladies high healed shoes then!
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But the point is valid. He was breaking the law and abusing a substance that is commonly accepted as dangerous.
Ever drink a pitcher of beer at a sport's bar then drive home? That fits your above criteria.
Some drugs are just horribly addictive. Many heroin addicts first got physically addicted to prescription pain killers. Big companies like Phizer kept making stronger and stronger opiate based medications. Humans have many natural reward systems neurologically. These were originally set to reward us for behaviors that supported our survival and fitness (production of offspring). These (relatively) new drugs give exponentially higher reward chemicals than anything we could possibly do, including having sex with the most attractive woman. I have a link to a very informative and interesting lecture on YouTube from a PhD Pharmacologist if you'd like.
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Ever drink a pitcher of beer at a sport's bar then drive home? That fits your above criteria.
Don't drink and drive! :mad:
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Wear ladies high healed shoes then!
Have been for years.
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Ever drink a pitcher of beer at a sport's bar then drive home? That fits your above criteria.
Some drugs are just horribly addictive. Many heroin addicts first got physically addicted to prescription pain killers. Big companies like Phizer kept making stronger and stronger opiate based medications. Humans have many natural reward systems neurologically. These were originally set to reward us for behaviors that supported our survival and fitness (production of offspring). These (relatively) new drugs give exponentially higher reward chemicals than anything we could possibly do, including having sex with the most attractive woman. I have a link to a very informative and interesting lecture on YouTube from a PhD Pharmacologist if you'd like.
What twaddle!
He was supposedly an intelligent human being, and yet apparently fails to realise that despite the illegality of what he was doing, the only realistic prospect from it was the one he got. I care not a jot that the guy was on prescription painkillers, and the drug companies hardly forced proressively stronger painkillers on the guy! He was a rich and privilidged fool and as with many similar peoe in his position, he managed to find yet another way to spend his obscene wealth-drugs. Because thats what you do when you are loaded and famous. Hence Whitney, Jackson, Heath Ledger, Marilyn Monroe, the list is endless. I am in pain most days. Sometimes the prescription drugs I have don't touch it. I have yet to pump mysekf full off illegal crap as a result. Utter tosh :old:
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What twaddle!
He was supposedly an intelligent human being, and yet apparently fails to realise that despite the illegality of what he was doing, the only realistic prospect from it was the one he got. I care not a jot that the guy was on prescription painkillers, and the drug companies hardly forced proressively stronger painkillers on the guy! He was a rich and privilidged fool and as with many similar peoe in his position, he managed to find yet another way to spend his obscene wealth-drugs. Because thats what you do when you are loaded and famous. Hence Whitney, Jackson, Heath Ledger, Marilyn Monroe, the list is endless. I am in pain most days. Sometimes the prescription drugs I have don't touch it. I have yet to pump mysekf full off illegal crap as a result. Utter tosh :old:
We, for all intents and purposes, are just a function of our brain health. Like I said in my earlier post, there are multiple reward pathways in the brain. There are also variations on these pathways, some of which are convoluted. Have you ever found it enjoyable to read and learn something? If so, you have a much shorter reward pathway for cannabinoid receptors than someone who does not enjoy reading and learning. I'm using that example as an analogy as to why some people can take pain pills and not become addicted, while others are totally dependent after a short prescription of them.
It is quite obvious that being rich and famous brings a person in contact (whether they want to be or not) with drugs. About the only safe option is to never try them at all.
Your rationale of "Because thats what you do when you are loaded and famous." is totally off base. As is "I have yet to pump mysekf full of illegal crap as a result". Why would you pump yourself full of illegal opiate based drugs that, by your own admission, don't even take your pain away? The answer in your case is that you wouldn't, because you gain nothing from it.
Here is a good website that covers the physiology of addiction http://ibgwww.colorado.edu/cadd/a_drug/essays/essay4.htm (http://ibgwww.colorado.edu/cadd/a_drug/essays/essay4.htm)
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Never said that illegal opiate drugs wouldn't take my pain away. They probably would. I have pain from going and grafting every day, and from a number of injuries. I haven't tried illicit drugs, nor will I. It seems to me that for a worrying number of people a prerequisite of fame and fortune is an inability to make rational decisions about not simply taking illegal substances, but jn what quantity. The fact that this eijit was supposedly on his way to collect his kids at the time would suggest tyat he , had he not topped himself, would have got in a car and toddled off to collect them. I am pretty much devoid of sympathy. Strikes me that an inordinate number of people in the limelight with cushy jobs they love to do, feel the need to overdose.
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Very intresting info Dave....thx :aok
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We all have a Monster inside of our heads. can you defeat yours? :devil
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHkozMIXZ8w
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Tidy monster...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzR841AQLhc
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At least hoffman did not look like Woody Allen :old:
I try to look at the positive in every situation :old:
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We, for all intents and purposes, are just a function of our brain health. Like I said in my earlier post, there are multiple reward pathways in the brain. There are also variations on these pathways, some of which are convoluted. Have you ever found it enjoyable to read and learn something? If so, you have a much shorter reward pathway for cannabinoid receptors than someone who does not enjoy reading and learning. I'm using that example as an analogy as to why some people can take pain pills and not become addicted, while others are totally dependent after a short prescription of them.
It is quite obvious that being rich and famous brings a person in contact (whether they want to be or not) with drugs. About the only safe option is to never try them at all.
Your rationale of "Because thats what you do when you are loaded and famous." is totally off base. As is "I have yet to pump mysekf full of illegal crap as a result". Why would you pump yourself full of illegal opiate based drugs that, by your own admission, don't even take your pain away? The answer in your case is that you wouldn't, because you gain nothing from it.
Here is a good website that covers the physiology of addiction http://ibgwww.colorado.edu/cadd/a_drug/essays/essay4.htm (http://ibgwww.colorado.edu/cadd/a_drug/essays/essay4.htm)
This is well thought out,except I take 1 exception,addiction and dependance are 2 different things! You can become dependant on a medication and not be addicted to it,you will experience withdrawels because the body is dependant but it doesnt mean you are craving it or addicted.
An addict takes a drug to get high or a buzz or what have you and person dependant on a drug isnt taking it for the "buzz" they likely take it because of a medical reason and need to be careful when they stop taking it so as to not go into shock from the withdrawl effects.
:salute