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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: molybdenum on February 07, 2014, 08:25:42 AM
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Some of the factories are essentially out of reach unless one side is taking serious territory from the other. With nit AAA downtime pretty much stuck at 30 minutes, for example, the hoarding so many decry is going to be more necessary for base-taking (no more deack now/come back for town later stuff). Taking bases is going to be significantly more difficult, and on a big map like this one I forsee it timing out without a winner.
Can the factories be moved somewhat closer to the front lines? This map used to be one of my favorites, but I play to help my side win maps and this is kind of discouraging.
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You're entitled to your opinion but I very much doubt Hitech will do a U-Turn on decentralized strats. IMHO it's spreading our the war a bit more evenly and promotes a better balance between dogfiters vs basetakers.
my .02
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IMHO it's spreading our the war a bit more evenly and promotes a better balance between dogfiters vs basetakers.
my .02
His opinion IMHO is correct. :aok
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His opinion IMHO is correct. :aok
Doesn't that make it FACT?
I believe it does. :bolt:
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Doesn't that make it FACT?
I believe it does. :bolt:
I always wondered what you get with a double IMHO. Now I know... :lol
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You're entitled to your opinion but I very much doubt Hitech will do a U-Turn on decentralized strats. IMHO it's spreading our the war a bit more evenly and promotes a better balance between dogfiters vs basetakers.
my .02
just curious what makes you think that? most of the fights over the strats are just picking off guys doing milk runs. I was doing that before over their base anyway :).
semp
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You're entitled to your opinion but I very much doubt Hitech will do a U-Turn on decentralized strats. IMHO it's spreading our the war a bit more evenly and promotes a better balance between dogfiters vs basetakers.
The war is mainly fought over/for bases, and I see not spreading that up in any way.
All the new setup does so far is having most of the strats continually totally flat on small maps (easy, low risk milkrun target; almost impossible to defend)... or, in case of current ozkansas puts them out of reach for the most part. For example, the cruical Knight AA factory was a 10 sector flight through enemy airspace (not counting climbing distance) for the Bish.
And then it took away the sole reasonable target for a genuine long range, escorted high alt bombing raid. No reason to muster a formation of heavy bombers when just one is necessary to smash the factory (if it can be reached). In case of the city, it only needs 2 B-29 to bring it down to 0%. This plane in particular lost for the most part the only meaningful role it had in AH.
I wish the remaining city would be greatly enlaged or at least filled up again with additional targets. I wish the disperesed factories would be increased, as for now even a single Tu-2 formation will easily cut it down by 40% for 3 hours. And I wish puffy ack were added to them.
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You're entitled to your opinion but I very much doubt Hitech will do a U-Turn on decentralized strats. IMHO it's spreading our the war a bit more evenly and promotes a better balance between dogfiters vs basetakers.
my .02
Not asking for a U-turn, just commenting that the northern (nit) aaa factory was out of any realistic bombing range. Just would like to see that and a few other factories brought a little closer in when the map comes round next rotation.
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Why not just add additional targets? :bolt:
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The war is mainly fought over/for bases, and I see not spreading that up in any way.
All the new setup does so far is having most of the strats continually totally flat on small maps (easy, low risk milkrun target; almost impossible to defend)... or, in case of current ozkansas puts them out of reach for the most part. For example, the cruical Knight AA factory was a 10 sector flight through enemy airspace (not counting climbing distance) for the Bish.
And then it took away the sole reasonable target for a genuine long range, escorted high alt bombing raid. No reason to muster a formation of heavy bombers when just one is necessary to smash the factory (if it can be reached). In case of the city, it only needs 2 B-29 to bring it down to 0%. This plane in particular lost for the most part the only meaningful role it had in AH.
I wish the remaining city would be greatly enlaged or at least filled up again with additional targets. I wish the disperesed factories would be increased, as for now even a single Tu-2 formation will easily cut it down by 40% for 3 hours. And I wish puffy ack were added to them.
I posted this in another thread a few weeks back. Since you are 'da stat man' and your second home is at the strats, I thought I'd run it by you.
I was thinking have a combination of the "now old" strat system with the "now new, yet was old" strat system. Where you have the combined strats and the spread out strats on the maps.
In other words, the combined strats would have 50% value and the spread out strats hold the other 50%, so you can have your big raids (putting the b29 back in business) and your smaller raids for specific factories. However, instead of having zoning bases, just leave the 'combined' strats in the 'rear', and have the spread out strats act as the 'unmoving' front strats.
How does that sound?
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I posted this in another thread a few weeks back. Since you are 'da stat man' and your second home is at the strats, I thought I'd run it by you.
I was thinking have a combination of the "now old" strat system with the "now new, yet was old" strat system. Where you have the combined strats and the spread out strats on the maps.
In other words, the combined strats would have 50% value and the spread out strats hold the other 50%, so you can have your big raids (putting the b29 back in business) and your smaller raids for specific factories. However, instead of having zoning bases, just leave the 'combined' strats in the 'rear', and have the spread out strats act as the 'unmoving' front strats.
How does that sound?
It's not Lusche that you need to convince.
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Not asking for a U-turn, just commenting that the northern (nit) aaa factory was out of any realistic bombing range. Just would like to see that and a few other factories brought a little closer in when the map comes round next rotation.
Nothing is out of realistic bombing range, if you want to expend the effort. Whats wrong with getting the same group together that you use to when you hit to old mega strats? Same group running deep into enemy territory to flatten the ack depot?
You just want to be in "easy mode" were you don't have to bother to up 4 missions to each depot. One big strat, one big mission over and done with. Lusche is in the same boat. It was easy pickings for him with the big strat. Spot a mission launch and kill a bunch and go back to doing something else until the next big group made the trip. Now he has to miss out on the big groups as smaller ones are all over the place hitting the depots. Less targets, less easy kills.
Oh and taking out the ack depot doesn't necessarily mean you have problems with taking a base. 3 guys doing runs at ack at the same time making 3 passes can kill all ack at a large field and more than likely all survive to cap if they time it well. But hey, that takes skill and coordination and we know most players don't have time for that.
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Nothing is out of realistic bombing range
You took the words right out of my mouth.
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You took the words right out of my mouth.
They did feel a bit slimy when I typed them out. ;)
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What's funny is nobody defending the city and whining that thier towns are staying down 180 minutes.
Even funnier is the whiners not realizing that having your town down for 180 minutes allows an almost instant recapture with a simple deack and trooping.......even before the hangars come back up.
I upped a M18 and killed a few guys tanking our city and it was refreshing to be able to do that without some fun killing friendly upping a fighter with a large bomb and killing the tank I am stalking through the city streets seconds before I take my shot.
Stalking an enemy tank shooting up the city or other strats is far more rewarding and fun than spawn camping or the 7 minute "bomb the enemy tank in a heavy fighter" mission.
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I wish I could find time to play the game so I could whine. :noid
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I wish I could find time to play the game so I could whine. :noid
you are whining you cant play the game :D.
semp
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On the large maps, I'd like to see the factories NOT put all the way to the rear, but maybe 2/3'rds the way back. Currently, they are very much to the rear and me thinks it may be simply too much. I like the spread out bases, but WAY to the rear is a bit far, imo.
Also, we're still missing targets of strategic importance for the designated "attack" aircraft to hit (other than bases and towns). I miss having the opportunity to run in the Mossi, 110, A20, and other such direct attack aircraft. As it stands, the factories are WAY to the rear and very much out of reach for the dive bombers and gun boats.
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It's not Lusche that you need to convince.
I know that, but since he is one of the 'guardians of the strats' (there almost all the time) I wanted to ask him his opinion to see how it would affect gameplay.
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I know that, but since he is one of the 'guardians of the strats' (there almost all the time)
Actually I have spend way more game time attacking the central strats than defending them - more than 700 hours in 556 missions over the course of 515 days. My strat defense has just been more 'flashy' and obvious.
But it's already well known that I'm only arguing here to get my cheap kill opportunities back, so it all doesn't matter anymore.
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you are whining you cant play the game :D.
semp
I can play the game, just choose to dedicate my time to studying instead.
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No car for you......one year.
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Not asking for a U-turn, just commenting that the northern (nit) aaa factory was out of any realistic bombing range. Just would like to see that and a few other factories brought a little closer in when the map comes round next rotation.
and why do have to pick on a knight base--your other enemy is on the other side-go pick on them..i think it's great that they spread the strats out..makes it harder for the rooks and bish to beat-up on our strats.seems like b's and r's always pick on us first..pick on each other for a change..
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and why do have to pick on a knight base--your other enemy is on the other side-go pick on them..i think it's great that they spread the strats out..makes it harder for the rooks and bish to beat-up on our strats.seems like b's and r's always pick on us first..pick on each other for a change..
It was the worst example--something like 8 sectors away from the nearest bishop base (and buffs would need at least a bit of alt while traversing nmy territory, so practically speaking the nearest suitable bish base to attack from was further back than that). It wasn't in "realistic" bombing range because, even if you could get to target and back without running out of fuel, a 2+ hour mission to flatten a single factory would not have been worth the time and effort expended.
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I think on small maps the strats ought to centralized, and de-centralized on the larger maps. In my opinion this should be an adequate compromise.
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It was the worst example--something like 8 sectors away from the nearest bishop base (and buffs would need at least a bit of alt while traversing nmy territory, so practically speaking the nearest suitable bish base to attack from was further back than that). It wasn't in "realistic" bombing range because, even if you could get to target and back without running out of fuel, a 2+ hour mission to flatten a single factory would not have been worth the time and effort expended.
hehehe exactly