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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: saggs on February 07, 2014, 11:00:28 PM
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Just caught part of the Olympic opening ceremony, and it brought up an interesting question in my mind.
I know in World Cup soccer/football, as well as rugby that England, Scotland and Wales compete separately, but in the Olympics they all compete under the flag of Great Britain.
Why???
And what about North Ireland... they are part of the UK I know, but I don't ever recall hearing of them in international sports.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNu8XDBSn10 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNu8XDBSn10)
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I have a question too. In UK do they spam-hype the olympics day and night and interrupt the regular TV schedule in some sort of obnoxious and obtrusive way to try and force you to give a turd about them?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNu8XDBSn10 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNu8XDBSn10)
That video did not answer my question.
Does the IOC not recognize the sovereignty of Scotland, Wales and England and FIFA does? Is it a matter of "they're all the same passport so it's all the same to us." ??
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That video was very good :old:
Scotland is voting on independence at present which is hilarious :rofl
Dolby is not Welsh
Cornwall is a country as well :old:
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I think it is a question of historical inertia more than anything. The first ever international football match was between England and Scotland in 1872. When FIFA was formed in 1904 the individual UK countries' football associations all became members and its stayed that way ever since.
At the London Games the UK entered a football team to the Olympics for the first time. There was a lot of resistance to this from the various non-English football associations though, including threats of international bans to players taking part. They were worried that FIFA would say if the UK has an Olympic squad they should have an international UK squad as well and the various national associations would lost their international match income and maybe become extinct.
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FIFA are like the Olympic committee very corrupt :old:
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FIFA are like the Olympic committee very corrupt :old:
like the NFL is now :frown:
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it's all to do with English rule in those other parts of Britain. The Welsh and Scots never really accepted the fact that England is better than them and to do what they are told.
They are taking their freedoms back piece by piece and the culmination of that will be this Scottish referendum in September, then Wales will no doubt will want something similar if they are successful.
Personally I think our Island is too small for all these shenanigans but I defer to Zack1234 on what is right and just. God save the Queen.
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How many German states want independence? :rofl
See you later Scotland don't let the door slam you on the arse when you leave :old:
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Lichtenstein, Andorra, Vatican City, Monaco, San Marino, Malta, Maldives, Marshal Islands. All much smaller than Scotland or Wales.
Stick that in your hoity toity English pipe and smoke it :neener:!
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I have reported you :old:
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Its a outrage!
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I have reported you :old:
Smarmy brit.
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The UK's problem is that if Scotland leaves the union they're taking a lot of the North Sea oil fields with them...
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How many German states want independence? :rofl
See you later Scotland don't let the door slam you on the arse when you leave :old:
We won't. Don't worry.
We have a saying in Scotland that seems quite true. If they win, they are British, if they lose they are Scottish.
I won't go any further into this as I will get myself Pnged. I don't want that, Leaving this convo.
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I think it is a question of historical inertia more than anything. The first ever international football match was between England and Scotland in 1872. When FIFA was formed in 1904 the individual UK countries' football associations all became members and its stayed that way ever since.
At the London Games the UK entered a football team to the Olympics for the first time. There was a lot of resistance to this from the various non-English football associations though, including threats of international bans to players taking part. They were worried that FIFA would say if the UK has an Olympic squad they should have an international UK squad as well and the various national associations would lost their international match income and maybe become extinct.
Thanks, that's kind of what I thought. So basically the Scots and English and Welsh enjoy being independent football and rugby rivals, but the Olympics having a lot more individual sports events vs team events it's not such a big deal.
My other question is where Northern Ireland fits in. I noticed in the opening ceremony that it is "Great Britain" and not "The United Kingdom". It was my understanding that Great Britain is a geographical term just referring to the big island. ( ie Northern Ireland is part of the United Kingdom, but not on the isle of Great Britain) so... do Northern Irish athletes also compete under the umbrella of Great Britain in the Olympics? If so, why does the team compete as "Great Britain" and not "United Kingdom" ???
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We won't. Don't worry.
We have a saying in Scotland that seems quite true. If they win, they are British, if they lose they are Scottish.
I won't go any further into this as I will get myself Pnged. I don't want that, Leaving this convo.
We want a referendum in England which had been promised for the last 20 years and the Scots get one at the drop of a hat :old:
If Scotland stays or goes is of little consequence
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Without the trading from the city, Scotland would be boned.
They'll only spend the oil money on heroin anyway.
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Without the trading from the city, Scotland would be boned.
They'll only spend the oil money on heroin anyway.
Seeing how this responce seems to make the most sense i shall honor it with the freedom left from 1776.
I ask where will the coventry come from once divided...probably from your like mindedness, but anyway; get over it england, no more games, the internext is upon us and your pale skinned grasp can not last forever.
Free the welsh beings from your tax England, let the wealthy scotch horde from their masses. freedom shall ring so that the balls and word hold sway.
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Scotland will lose a lot more than it will gain should it leave the union. The Welsh don't want to leave, only 10% of them do.
Scotland would take on £122 billion of debt. There is only £130billion of oil left. £8billion won't last them very long, they'll quickly go "Greek" and need a bail out..
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Scotland will lose a lot more than it will gain should it leave the union. The Welsh don't want to leave, only 10% of them do.
Scotland would take on £122 billion of debt. There is only £130billion of oil left. £8billion won't last them very long, they'll quickly go "Greek" and need a bail out..
Scotland could just invade England, and take all your money while you lot are occupied with tea time and your crumpets, or finding ways to worsen your already horrendous teeth :old:.
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Are they running low on brandy? :headscratch:
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Nat and Tank have both been reported :old:
There is nothing up with my teeth they are under my pillow :old:
The other set I lent to the bloke who owns the chippy :old:
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Scotland could just invade England, and take all your money while you lot are occupied with tea time and your crumpets, or finding ways to worsen your already horrendous teeth :old:.
:rofl Amuses me to consider what manner of wibbly wobbly world you live in.
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:rofl Amuses me to consider what manner of wibbly wobbly world you live in.
He's obviously never been to Scotland, that's for sure :D
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Scotland could just invade England, and take all your money while you lot are occupied with tea time and your crumpets, or finding ways to worsen your already horrendous teeth :old:.
Invading England has never really been that easy. The last little Corporal that tried it, came a cropper :)
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The last 2 little corporals came a cropper :old:
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The Scots don't have an army. :D
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Invading England has never really been that easy. The last little Corporal that tried it, came a cropper :)
They can sack York. That seems to be their default plan in the past, but they never figured out what to do next. Your 3 feet high Hadrian wall will not stop them this time...
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I have reported you as well :old:
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Ireland the less we talk about those the better, only country to send a condolence note to the German ambassador when one ball took the easy way out
Maybe you should report yourself. Like the rest of your version of history the above bears no relation to reality. In fact Ireland did nothing of the sort. It was a personal and ill judged action, one of many in his career (not least dragging Ireland into a civil war) by the then Prime Minister, De Valera who adhered to diplomatic protocol despite all advice to the contrary by his colleagues in government. He was a fool and is judged so by most Irish people. He certainly didn't represent any of tens of thousands of Irishmen who fought Hitler not least those who died.
I also notice no one has bother to answer the OP's question. In fact there's no real answer except historical precedent and because it suits them when it comes to medal count. It's been that way for a long time. The Northern Irish have objected to the fact that they are ignored but no one really cares what they say and in any case many Northern Irish choose to compete for the Irish Olympic team. Great Britain is not even a country.
As for Scottish independence when you see some of the attitudes expressed you can see why some want independence. Some English throwbacks (Zack!) can't cope with the idea that countries their ancestors invaded want to run their own affairs. They're still upset about losing the USA. :headscratch: The Scots would make a great success of running their own country. In fact certain parts of England would also be better off independent too. Most of the money and power is concentrated around London and the home counties with the north left to scramble over the scraps.
It's also worth reminding certain people that without Scots and Irish soldiers and generals. There would never have been a British empire. For a bit of fun name a really famous 'all English' general?
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Washington
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Maybe you should report yourself. Like the rest of your version of history the above bears no relation to reality. In fact Ireland did nothing of the sort. It was a personal and ill judged action, one of many in his career (not least dragging Ireland into a civil war) by the then Prime Minister, De Valera who adhered to diplomatic protocol despite all advice to the contrary by his colleagues in government. He was a fool and is judged so by most Irish people. He certainly didn't represent any of tens of thousands of Irishmen who fought Hitler not least those who died.
I also notice no one has bother to answer the OP's question. In fact there's no real answer except historical precedent and because it suits them when it comes to medal count. It's been that way for a long time. The Northern Irish have objected to the fact that they are ignored but no one really cares what they say and in any case many Northern Irish choose to compete for the Irish Olympic team. Great Britain is not even a country.
As for Scottish independence when you see some of the attitudes expressed you can see why some want independence. Some English throwbacks (Zack!) can't cope with the idea that countries their ancestors invaded want to run their own affairs. They're still upset about losing the USA. :headscratch: The Scots would make a great success of running their own country. In fact certain parts of England would also be better off independent too. Most of the money and power is concentrated around London and the home counties with the north left to scramble over the scraps.
It's also worth reminding certain people that without Scots and Irish soldiers and generals. There would never have been a British empire. For a bit of fun name a really famous 'all English' general?
Erudite response :salute
I am fairly sure that Scotland could do a reasonable job of governing itself, and as you rightly point out, Irish, Scottish, Welsh and Commonwealth troops did, in many cases, allow the British Empire to pursue interests that it would otherwise have not been able to.
An independant Scotland however would need to find itself an armed forces, would need to sort out a benefits system (otherwise Glasgow would starve), the infrastructure issues that are currently plaguing the country would need to be paid for. They would almost certainly wish to be part of Europe so they might want to take some of the responsibility for the £40 million we pay daily for that priviledge.
They would need to set up a health system that could be up and running immediately, fully autonomous of the rest of the UK and fully funded by Scotland. The tax system would need to be overhauled, as would the introduction of something similar to National Insurance to pay for hospitals and recidivist benefit claimants and chavs that are breeding at an exponential rate.
Yes they have the oil industry and a couple of ailing shipyards but I simply do not believe that a country of 5.5 million, coupled with its ageing populous have a chance of succeeding without the support of UK central government. :old:
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Cpxxx is typical of revisionists ignoring facts and brushing the facts under the table :old:
The Southern Irish were aligned to the Narrzzies, and hated the English
De Valera was not a fool and represented the Southern Irish, as Hitler was to the Germans
Any country that was neutral in WWII have no say on events of that era.
That includes the Swiss :old:
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The British royal family are sausage munching, beer swilling Germans.
George and Edward were Hitler sympathizers and Narrzzies.
Lord Redesdale, Duke of Wellington, Duke of Westminster, Marquess of Graham, Lord Sempill, Earl of Galloway, etc.
After the war the royal family did what it could to maintain the Narrzzi connection. Prince Michael married the daughter of Baron Gunther von Reibnitz, a Narrzzi Party member and an honorary member of the SS.
Elizabeth married Prince Philip. He came from a pro-fascist family. His brother-in-law, Prince Christoph of Hesse was a member of the SS. In fact, Elizabeth’s marriage to Philip caused problems and the government refused permission for several of his relatives to enter Britain and attend the wedding.
Medicate! Medicate! :old:
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The English didn't build the Titanic, Tank-ace.
Zack's is trolling of course but if by 'Southern Irish' he means people from County Cork then he's probably right. But they hate everyone particularly Dubliners. :t
Danny I take your point but that worst case scenario is always put forward by the Unionists. It's also vaguely insulting to the Scots that they couldn't govern themselves without help from the English taxpayer. It's not as if the day after the referendum that the union flag be struck from the flagpoles. Meanwhile UK government offices close down and the British army marches back across the border. There would be a considerable period of transition where institutions and are put in place and a discrete Scottish army recruited probably from current Scottish regiments. The way some people talk it's as if both sides would build a barbed wire fence along the border and engage in artillery duels every Saturday afternoon.
The example everyone ignores is Ireland or 'Southern Ireland' as Zack would have it. While the break did come about after a war and there were differences. There still remains a closeness in many ways. The pound sterling was used for many years and the only reason that changed was because of the EU. The British army still maintain Irish regiments and many Irishmen would never consider joining the Irish army over the British. Irish and British people move freely back and forth and we can move freely into the other country, work, vote in elections etc. Most of my family lived in England at one stage. My wife did too for many years as did most of her family.
It will be even more so when it comes to Scotland as any break will be a friendly one. However I for one don't believe the Scots will vote in favour of independence. It's not as if there have been many attempts at rebellion. The seem happy to be ruled from London. No sign of any Scottish Liberation Army or a revolution or riots in the streets or a terrorist campaign. Most of them seem happy to be Northern Brits. :devil
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You are a right prat
You forget I fly FSO with you, good sir! From you, I take that as the highest of praise :old:.
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would need to sort out a benefits system (otherwise Glasgow would starve), the infrastructure issues that are currently plaguing the country would need to be paid for. They would almost certainly wish to be part of Europe so they might want to take some of the responsibility for the £40 million we pay daily for that priviledge.
They would need to set up a health system that could be up and running immediately, fully autonomous of the rest of the UK and fully funded by Scotland. The tax system would need to be overhauled, as would the introduction of something similar to National Insurance to pay for hospitals and recidivist benefit claimants and chavs that are breeding at an exponential rate.
Yes they have the oil industry and a couple of ailing shipyards but I simply do not believe that a country of 5.5 million, coupled with its ageing populous have a chance of succeeding without the support of UK central government. :old:
In theory, most of these troubles are from the fear of pulling off mothers teat. Dont worry much about it bub. Survival of the willing, so long as they are not oppressed, should lead to happiness. A good homogeneous community and degenerative thinning would allow for ample resource utilization and life fulfillment. :salute
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Cpxxx :lol
Its a outrage!
:rofl :rofl
I am spent :cry
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I think I'm going to make me some scones today :old:
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Will you be wearing leather shorts? :old:
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mmm england
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mmm england
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If it was American beer it would have been colder and better. :old:
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You brits don't chill your beer? God, Scotland definitely has the right of it.
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If it was American beer it would have been colder and better. :old:
Americam beer is like having sex in a canoe :old:
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Americam beer is like having sex in a canoe :old:
they are both close to water. :lol heard that one this past week. :cheers:
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American beer is poo to honest :old:
The colonials can "supposedly" put a man on the moon but cannot brew a beer of any substance :cry
Why is this? :old:
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mmm england
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yeah but what does she look like without that glass in her mouth??????????????
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In regards to me Tank is right :old:
American beer is poor, Budwieser is particularly bad and should be renamed as a window cleaning solution :old:
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yeah but what does she look like without that glass in her mouth??????????????
Would anyone be looking at her face?
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Its a outrage :cry
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American beer is poo to honest :old:
The colonials can "supposedly" put a man on the moon but cannot brew a beer of any substance :cry
Why is this? :old:
Its a outrage. :D
*Some* American beer is poo. However, there are many fine American beers, especially in the Pacific Northwest. If you ever visit the Seattle area, I will buy you some!
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I haven't seen Monument Men, but interestingly, I got to talk to a WWII vet Robert Thomas who, after being one of the troops taking out bunkers on the Siegfried Line, was one of the first two allied soldiers to discover Narzzie loot stored in a salt mine (Ransbach). It was an amazing story.
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I haven't seen Monument Men, but interestingly, I got to talk to a WWII vet Robert Thomas who, after being one of the troops taking out bunkers on the Siegfried Line, was one of the first two allied soldiers to discover Narzzie loot stored in a salt mine (Ransbach). It was an amazing story.
Are you in the wrong thread? :headscratch: http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,359227.0.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,359227.0.html)
Some American Beer for the masses has been watered down so we don't trample people at ball games. :ahand
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Are you in the wrong thread? :headscratch: http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,359227.0.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,359227.0.html)
Oops. Yes, I am definitely in the wrong thread. Thanks for the heads up.
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You cannot be drunk you drink American beer :rofl
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ill have you know we get plenty drunk off american beer :old:
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Just ask my girlfriend :bolt:
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