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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: craz07 on February 25, 2014, 01:32:37 AM
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After getting your aircraft up to some altitude, and tracking down the fight, it seems one barely has any fuel left for anything else. I mean really, at the end of the day it feels like your just getting your plane up and down mostly. Shouldn't the majority of the time be spent where it matters? Granted, i fly the navy planes. But how about reducing the fuel multiplier to 1.5 or thereabouts? It really is a shame. Not much incentive to climb if you ask me.
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After getting your aircraft up to some altitude, and tracking down the fight, it seems one barely has any fuel left for anything else.
I'm curious: what altitude are you talking about?
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After getting your aircraft up to some altitude, and tracking down the fight, it seems one barely has any fuel left for anything else. I mean really, at the end of the day it feels like your just getting your plane up and down mostly. Shouldn't the majority of the time be spent where it matters? Granted, i fly the navy planes. But how about reducing the fuel multiplier to 1.5 or thereabouts? It really is a shame. Not much incentive to climb if you ask me.
Dude, you say there isn't enough fuel in the navy planes???? Take a f4u1a with 75% and you still got 30 minutes... take a 109k4 and you get 24 minutes... There is no point in climbing to 20k, and if you do you will find yourself diving down to 13k at least to get a kill. This is one part that makes this game unique, gotta conserve and watch out for your ammo and gas,, that unlimited crap is for am amateurs... It is a part with being generally new to this game.. it is very difficult. That is why you gotta be aggressive and not be afraid to go to the DA to fight or to ask people to help with ACM because in this game it is important.
When I started this game for a year I thought 300 bullets in a ki84 was BS. Now I know how to get 4 or 5 kills with that amount. The K4 is the same way... It takes practice and determination to learn how to compensate. Hopefully you will stick around man.
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Grab a F4F and either go to 10K or deck and pwn everything
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FM2 ftw. :noid
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If you are flying to find a fight and you took off with 100% I will bet the majority of your sorties end with at least half a tank. Now if you're flying up to 20k and pick and only engage at advantage, well then, back off the throttle? IDK, I don't do that, maybe someone else has advice there.
But, if you're flying in the zone where the majority of combat happens here, take 100% fuel and note how much you have right before you die. That's how I found out the sweet spot for the ac I like, and also how less turny birds were outturning me. Usually I note(d) that I have 15-20mins left, way too much to compete in most cases.
You'll figure it out.
:salute
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Some airplanes like the LA7 will burn insane amount of fuel at full power. Heres some tips :
Use your E6B and set max fuel economy power settings.
Use drp tanks.
Fly a P47 :old: :neener: 75% + DT will keep you airborne longer than your blater can widthstand.
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Craz I fly low fuel load planes and still dont find any of that trouble. Besides 90% of everything is 10k or below in the game.
Navy planes, the Yank ones, are poor climbers in comparison to the Zero or Spit. But a Hellcat GIVES you a fast 10K on WEP alone.
Many times with extra tanks Ive taken a Spitfire or Hellcat and flew CAP over a CV for long periods by simply managing my power. Like they had to do in real life. Its a mistake we often make in gaming, having the throttle on full all the time. The best here can manage their throttles, and their energy, and make you look bad in any contest at any Alt.
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OP has a point. The burn multi in here is a bit insane. Does it vary from map to map? I seem to think not...
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OP has a point.
I doubt that ;)
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Look for the big red dar bars before taking off, then you won't have to fly as far to find a fight. :rock
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OP has a point. The burn multi in here is a bit insane. Does it vary from map to map? I seem to think not...
Generally only in events or the AvA.
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The fuel burn is just fine. It actually brings some measure of fuel managment into the game. Most of the Corsairs have 30 minutes or more of endurance at military power and that gets better as you get higher. 8 minutes will get you to 15k. And that doesn't even account for drop tanks. Once you get to your cruising altitude, you can double your endurance by pulling back the RPM on your prop (minus on the number pad) to around 2k. That will give you 40+ minutes of hunting time at altitude. These ranges are easily increased by external stores.
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He must only be trying short legger planes, like the Spit,
which is almost dry as soon as you take off :aok
(Of course I'm exaggerating, but Spits are definitely not long range)
:cheers: Oz
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Once you get to your cruising altitude, you can double your endurance by pulling back the RPM on your prop (minus on the number pad) to around 2k. That will give you 40+ minutes of hunting time at altitude.
This. Once I'm wheels up, I'm rarely at full power outside of combat unless I'm in a hurry. Open up your E6B for your power settings. Use 44" MAP and 2250 RPM for your climb to altitude, then pull back to 36" MAP @ 2150 RPM for cruise once you're at there for the F4Us and F6Fs (I think that applies to the P-47s as well, which also use the R-2800). The F4U-1 and F4U-1A have a LOT of loiter time on internal fuel, and you shouldn't need a DT at all. Burn the L/R wings to 25% and 50%, respectively, before switching to main and you've got a nice reserve that will get you about a sector if your main tank gets holed.
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Erm...take drop tanks?
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There is no point in climbing to 20k, and if you do you will find yourself diving down to 13k at least to get a kill. This is one part that makes this game unique, gotta conserve and watch out for your ammo and gas,, that unlimited crap is for am amateurs... It is a part with being generally new to this game.. it is very difficult. That is why you gotta be aggressive and not be afraid to go to the DA to fight or to ask people to help with ACM because in this game it is important.
+1
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This. Once I'm wheels up, I'm rarely at full power outside of combat unless I'm in a hurry. Open up your E6B for your power settings. Use 44" MAP and 2250 RPM for your climb to altitude, then pull back to 36" MAP @ 2150 RPM for cruise once you're at there for the F4Us and F6Fs (I think that applies to the P-47s as well, which also use the R-2800). The F4U-1 and F4U-1A have a LOT of loiter time on internal fuel, and you shouldn't need a DT at all. Burn the L/R wings to 25% and 50%, respectively, before switching to main and you've got a nice reserve that will get you about a sector if your main tank gets holed.
Probably the best way to get max endurance. But I try not to mess with the settings too much. By just using RPM and keeping the manifold full forward, I can come back to full power by simply hitting the WEP. My typical load in most Jugs is 75% internal and the centerline drop tank. The DT gets me to 15k at military power and I then have 30 minutes of flight time at full military. It's pretty rare in the MA that I ever need more fuel than that. If you're hunting buffs over long distances, the 47N is your bird. Range on par with a mustang, better gun package than the un-perked blue birds, and faster than both at altitudes in excess of 25k.
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I understand it's for the realness and balance of the game... Wierd.. I guess adapt and change.. :airplane:
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I rarely mess with RPM and mainly stick to throttle work... But if RPM settings make such a difference, I'm willing to do some studying. Where could I find info on this for german ac?
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Open up E6B. It will give you the power settings for whatever aircraft you're flying.
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He must only be trying short legger planes, like the Spit,
which is almost dry as soon as you take off :aok
(Of course I'm exaggerating, but Spits are definitely not long range)
:cheers: Oz
Spit VIII has some great legs in comparison to the rest of the family.
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^^^ Creep Status
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And spits? U.S. all the way mang!!
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Craz, fly Deutch for a tour and you'll appreciate those US birds a lot better... :devil
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Huh? Yea they are all good, I used to fly the spit vb mostly in Warbirds, cause it had that nice blend of characteristics if you will.. but I like to play the game sometimes thinking, if it was go-time in WW2 and I was there, maybe I would be an f6f pilot?? Or f4u pilot?? Or p38 pilot?? I'm with the f4u at the moment.. what a nice plane indeed..
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And spits? U.S. all the way mang!!
A F4U-1a at full internal, even without DTs, has about 35 minutes of flight time left at full MIL after reaching 27K. If it would drop down to the deck instantly, it would still be ~30 minutes.
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Yep, good call on that... didn't really crunch the numbers yet.. was just going I guess by inane past flying experience lol :rolleyes: P.S. what does inane really mean idk..
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Throttle reduction along with a few taps on the "-" key can give plenty of range to Navy birds in cruise mode, especially above 12K. Just hit WEP "P" key to instantly reset to full power.
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We all know there is only two throttle positions, Full power and WEP.
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Depends.... B29s, for exemple, are 95% of time above 25k when they do a strats run.
Most of veteran bombers pilots fly at 20 k or more to avoid being insta-overrun by uppers when they reach enemy af area.
Exception for the TU2, which seems to be very capable of defending itself, as its very maneuverable (compared to other bombers) and can, if needed, try to engage the attacking interceptor (if there are less than 3 ofc).
By using smart RPM you can spare a lot of fuel, and, if your plane allows it, drop tanks are the solution.
The only plane that wont last very long after climbing to 20k+ is the LA-7, but this alt isnt the best for it anyway....
As others wrote in this thread, you got many different solutions to last longer in your plane, you should try these solutions, i'm sure it will solve your fuel concerns... :old:
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There is no point in climbing to 20k, and if you do you will find yourself diving down to 13k at least to get a kill. This is one part that makes this game unique, gotta conserve and watch out for your ammo and gas,, that unlimited crap is for am amateurs... It is a part with being generally new to this game.. it is very difficult. That is why you gotta be aggressive and not be afraid to go to the DA to fight or to ask people to help with ACM because in this game it is important.
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I thought the OP was saying in general that the fights of late have gotten higher. Most American Cv planes, not all, have a slow climb out.
Fights seem to be in a high trend of late. Bish seem to fly higher than most and are more likely to be in 109s and 190s. I have no facts to support that.
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Fly a B17 with 100% fuel..... touch down in 2018! <S>
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Or...........fly a TA152 with 100% and no drops and fly for an hour. If that isn't enough time, you're doing it wrong. I personally think this is the best high alt bomber interceptor in the game, a pair of 20's and a hub mounted 30mm cannon. 440MPH at 34k will let you chase down B29's, mossie 16's and yes, the Tutu's too!.
Next month, I'm going to shoot down Sputnik!
Fly a B17 with 100% fuel..... touch down in 2018! <S>
Not if I can find ya :D
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Or...........fly a TA152 with 100% and no drops and fly for an hour. If that isn't enough time, you're doing it wrong. I personally think this is the best high alt bomber interceptor in the game, a pair of 20's and a hub mounted 30mm cannon. 440MPH at 34k will let you chase down B29's, mossie 16's and yes, the Tutu's too!.
Next month, I'm going to shoot down Sputnik!
Not if I can find ya :D
:rofl
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After getting your aircraft up to some altitude, and tracking down the fight, it seems one barely has any fuel left for anything else. I mean really, at the end of the day it feels like your just getting your plane up and down mostly. Shouldn't the majority of the time be spent where it matters? Granted, i fly the navy planes. But how about reducing the fuel multiplier to 1.5 or thereabouts? It really is a shame. Not much incentive to climb if you ask me.
I primarily fly the D9 typically without drop tanks. I dont know of many other planes that guzzle gas as much cept maybe the LA.
I have no problem getting ot alt..any alt and fighting. I find that just about the same time Im low on bullets. The gas gauge tells me its time to go home
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Or...........fly a TA152 with 100% and no drops and fly for an hour. If that isn't enough time, you're doing it wrong. I personally think this is the best high alt bomber interceptor in the game, a pair of 20's and a hub mounted 30mm cannon. 440MPH at 34k will let you chase down B29's, mossie 16's and yes, the Tutu's too!.
An hour is conservative, even. I use WEP from take off until it burns out, which gets me up to about 25k. From there, I keep climbing to about 32k. I then throttle back to max cruise, and am left with 75+ minutes of gas, and can still go 400mph. Not bad, not bad at all.