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Title: US drone captured by Russians over Crimea?
Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on March 14, 2014, 03:52:30 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/russia-says-intercepted-us-drone-over-crimea-arms-180430584.html

Russians claim that they managed to capture the drone by electronic countermeasures.
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Post by: wpeters on March 14, 2014, 03:57:43 PM
Uh-oh
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Post by: USRanger on March 14, 2014, 04:04:41 PM
Should've Hellfire'd their butts.
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Post by: GScholz on March 14, 2014, 04:15:34 PM
Not the first time the Russians have downed drones. Drones work well against sheep molesters in the third world. Not so much against a modern military.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uyTFPwSXUI
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Post by: Plawranc on March 14, 2014, 08:19:23 PM
Should've Hellfire'd their butts.

I don't think that would be wise considering the state the US Military and the World Economy is at this point.
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Post by: Shifty on March 14, 2014, 08:40:37 PM
Sounds familiar..

(http://u2sabotage.tripod.com/u2_gary_powers.jpg)
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Post by: Delirium on March 14, 2014, 08:57:54 PM
Oh good, now the Russians will be able to build the TU-5 like they did with the Tu-4 so long ago.
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Post by: XxDaSTaRxx on March 15, 2014, 11:59:17 AM
Not the first time the Russians have downed drones. Drones work well against sheep molesters in the third world. Not so much against a modern military.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uyTFPwSXUI
Take yer' Russian fighters and stick em!

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-4PLGhRkdMvE/UFR0HBczW6I/AAAAAAAAAMo/ZCw6dcImoV4/s1600/American-Patriot.jpg)

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f1/USAF_F-15C_fires_AIM-7_Sparrow_2.jpg)
Title: Re: US drone captured by Russians over Crimea?
Post by: zack1234 on March 15, 2014, 12:32:50 PM
Why does anyone cares who owns Crimeas turnips :old:
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Post by: GScholz on March 15, 2014, 12:34:22 PM
Take yer' Russian fighters and stick em!

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-4PLGhRkdMvE/UFR0HBczW6I/AAAAAAAAAMo/ZCw6dcImoV4/s1600/American-Patriot.jpg)

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f1/USAF_F-15C_fires_AIM-7_Sparrow_2.jpg)

It's difficult. They're piloted by Russians and they're not inclined to take my orders...
Title: Re: US drone captured by Russians over Crimea?
Post by: Arlo on March 15, 2014, 12:42:58 PM
Why does anyone cares who owns Crimeas turnips :old:

Let them have turnips and they'll want someone else's parsnips.
Title: Re: US drone captured by Russians over Crimea?
Post by: GScholz on March 15, 2014, 12:45:43 PM
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/26232318/crimeariver.jpg)
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Post by: USRanger on March 15, 2014, 12:55:45 PM
I don't think that would be wise considering the state the US Military and the World Economy is at this point.

I would put my old platoon against any Russian battalion any day. (http://i62.tinypic.com/16gn61c.gif)
Title: Re: US drone captured by Russians over Crimea?
Post by: Arlo on March 15, 2014, 01:03:32 PM
I would put my old platoon against any Russian battalion any day. (http://i62.tinypic.com/16gn61c.gif)

How old and how well-equipped is your old platoon?
Title: Re: US drone captured by Russians over Crimea?
Post by: zack1234 on March 15, 2014, 01:08:02 PM
Let them have turnips and they'll want someone else's parsnips.

Give them new jersey
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Post by: GScholz on March 15, 2014, 01:31:15 PM
I would put my old platoon against any Russian battalion any day. (http://i62.tinypic.com/16gn61c.gif)

 :aok

However, in Crimea you'd face these guys too:

Southern Military District

    10th Independent Spetsnaz Brigade (obrSpN)
    22nd Independent Guards Spetsnaz Brigade (obrSpN)
    346th Independent Spetsnaz Brigade (obrSpN)
    25th Independent Spetsnaz Regiment (opSpN)

They're not exactly amateurs, and it's their home turf...
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Post by: wpeters on March 15, 2014, 01:49:41 PM
Ok guys time to roll out tiger2 and p-38l and a jug or 2
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Post by: USRanger on March 15, 2014, 02:57:28 PM
How old and how well-equipped is your old platoon?

Not old and we equip our Ranger Batts. very well. :aok  The only reason I'm not still there is because of getting hit (literally HIT) by an RPG in the knee in Iraq (it exploded on the wall behind me), which ended my career.  Too bad, they let me return to my unit after getting shot in A'stan.  I'd give anything to go back, but it would take waivers from three doctors to do so, and I've never been able to find one that would.  :(
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Post by: jollyFE on March 15, 2014, 03:00:22 PM
its just a Hunter UAS......nowhere near state of the art
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Post by: Rich46yo on March 15, 2014, 03:04:31 PM
Not old and we equip our Ranger Batts. very well. :aok  The only reason I'm not still there is because of getting hit (literally HIT) by an RPG in the knee in Iraq (it exploded on the wall behind me), which ended my career.  Too bad, they let me return to my unit after getting shot in A'stan.  I'd give anything to go back, but it would take waivers from three doctors to do so, and I've never been able to find one that would.  :(

To anyone who knows anything about the balance of forces and state of equipment and technology theres no question America could defeat the Russians and secure that peninsula. The real question is why would we? There is no support for such an incursion in this country and no real legality to do so. If he did the same to a NATO country he would have a serious problem.

Thats why he's moving now. He knows Ukraine is trying to join NATO.
Title: Re: US drone captured by Russians over Crimea?
Post by: zack1234 on March 15, 2014, 03:18:51 PM
Gibberish

Grow up
The biggest investers in russia are the US
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Post by: USRanger on March 15, 2014, 04:55:18 PM
Gibberish

Zack's word of the day. :D

Grow up
The biggest investers in russia are the US

What do they have that the U.S. would invest in, besides wives for sale?
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Post by: BluBerry on March 15, 2014, 04:57:32 PM

What do they have that the U.S. would invest in, besides wives for sale?

Stacking dolls.
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Post by: RotBaron on March 15, 2014, 04:59:09 PM
Gibberish

Grow up
The biggest investers in russia are the US

Historically, money has never gotten in the way of egomaniacs from sending 1000's, 10k's 100k's, or millions of their plebs to die.

If you don't work on the hill, you are merely fodder and probably live in what they'd call flyover country, < applies to any country/gov.
Title: Re: US drone captured by Russians over Crimea?
Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on March 15, 2014, 05:39:37 PM
I'm pretty sure that if you chose to attack the Russians it would not be a turkey shoot like Afganistan or Iraq were. A lot of zinc coffins have to be prepared...
Title: Re: US drone captured by Russians over Crimea?
Post by: zack1234 on March 15, 2014, 05:48:31 PM
Is everyone outside the US an enemy?

Title: Re: US drone captured by Russians over Crimea?
Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on March 15, 2014, 05:51:23 PM
Is everyone outside the US an enemy?

Well if you attack them they are  :rock

Most of the comments seem to be very unrealistic, remember that the worst mistake you can do on a battlefield is underestimating your enemy.
Title: Re: US drone captured by Russians over Crimea?
Post by: zack1234 on March 15, 2014, 06:33:42 PM
which is everybody
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Post by: Shifty on March 15, 2014, 06:56:54 PM
Is everyone outside the US an enemy?



With people like Plawranc GScholz and yourself living in supposedly friendly countries.. I'd say yes.   :P
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Post by: mthrockmor on March 15, 2014, 07:02:35 PM
In the normal world the US/Nato does not get into a shooting situation with the Russians. Add Obama, no chance.

In the Keynesian world of 'government deficit spending as engine of economy' all bets are off. Historically, when nations get in dire financial straights they tend to get aggressive with their military. I don't think we'll pull any triggers over there but who knows.

And does the Malaysian jet have anything to do with this? Several sources are noting that up to 20 US defense industry employees were on-board. If it was truly hijacked and rerouted that would implie the plane landed somewhere and those employees are being tortured even as we speak.
Title: Re: US drone captured by Russians over Crimea?
Post by: GScholz on March 15, 2014, 07:11:39 PM
With people like Plawranc GScholz and yourself living in supposedly friendly countries.. I'd say yes.  :aok

What have I done now???  :frown:
Title: Re: US drone captured by Russians over Crimea?
Post by: zack1234 on March 16, 2014, 03:46:42 AM
Apparently after the Koreans and Syrians after finished we are going to invade the US :rofl

Sorry its the Chinese then korea and syria

Sorry its the Russians

sorry its everyone not in the US :cry



Title: Re: US drone captured by Russians over Crimea?
Post by: pipz on March 16, 2014, 06:41:22 AM
Is everyone outside the US an enemy?

Not at all. Only New Jersey.  :old:
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Post by: Fish42 on March 16, 2014, 07:14:07 AM
Most of the comments seem to be very unrealistic, remember that the worst mistake you can do on a battlefield is underestimating your enemy.

Its really does look to be ingrained into the US culture. History makes future lessons from those not willing to remember the past.
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Post by: Shifty on March 16, 2014, 07:17:26 AM
Apparently after the Koreans and Syrians after finished we are going to invade the US :rofl


:headscratch: Somebody spike your steak and kidney pie?


Title: Re: US drone captured by Russians over Crimea?
Post by: zack1234 on March 16, 2014, 07:25:55 AM
Its really does look to be ingrained into the US culture. History makes future lessons from those not willing to remember the past.

gibberish :rofl

someone is making serious coin out of these war and its not you  :rofl
Title: Re: US drone captured by Russians over Crimea?
Post by: Rich46yo on March 16, 2014, 08:06:58 AM
One has to wonder why so many people blindly believes claims by, what passes for, a Russian Govt. http://defensetech.org/2014/03/14/pentagon-denies-downed-u-s-drone-report-in-crimea/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+originalnews%2Ffeed+%28Original+News%29
Title: Re: US drone captured by Russians over Crimea?
Post by: zack1234 on March 16, 2014, 09:52:00 AM
Blindly  :rofl

Thank goodness we have a class system :old:

like they have in the US

I predict in 2 months time it will the benefits of slip on shoes against laces in the media :old:
Title: Re: US drone captured by Russians over Crimea?
Post by: Rich46yo on March 16, 2014, 12:02:37 PM
Blindly  :rofl

Thank goodness we have a class system :old:

like they have in the US

I predict in 2 months time it will the benefits of slip on shoes against laces in the media :old:

Can someone translate what this kid is saying please?
Title: Re: US drone captured by Russians over Crimea?
Post by: Shifty on March 16, 2014, 12:12:56 PM
Can someone translate what this kid is saying please?

Here ya go..

(http://www.fullers.co.uk/master/content/images/1/1/4/1743.jpg)
Title: Re: US drone captured by Russians over Crimea?
Post by: Rich46yo on March 16, 2014, 12:14:35 PM
Here ya go..

(http://www.fullers.co.uk/master/content/images/1/1/4/1743.jpg)

Ah, thank you. That I understand.  :D
Title: Re: US drone captured by Russians over Crimea?
Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on March 16, 2014, 12:15:41 PM
One has to wonder why so many people blindly believes claims by, what passes for, a Russian Govt. http://defensetech.org/2014/03/14/pentagon-denies-downed-u-s-drone-report-in-crimea/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+originalnews%2Ffeed+%28Original+News%29


One has to wonder how many times you have to be lied at before you start doubting the source? There was no drone missing in Iran either, untill there was a few months later magically :D http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93U.S._RQ-170_incident

There's an old saying: The first casualty of war is the truth. And the war albeit not full scale or open one, is already going on.
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Post by: gblade30 on March 16, 2014, 12:37:03 PM
emp weapons.. we all have them in the west ........ disabled at the flick of a switch  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: US drone captured by Russians over Crimea?
Post by: cpxxx on March 16, 2014, 01:07:05 PM
Even if we are to believe this story and you know some of you guys needs to look up the definition of the word: 'Propaganda' or maybe 'disinformation'. But what of it? If there was an American drone over Crimea. What business is it of the Russians to be  bringing down an aircraft over Crimea which is still part of Ukraine. An aircraft of a nation friendly to Ukraine. They haven't annexed the place yet.
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Post by: GScholz on March 16, 2014, 06:01:11 PM
Russia has leased parts of Crimea for their naval base there. Perhaps it is like as if Venezuela flew a drone over Guantanamo. Who knows.
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Post by: USRanger on March 16, 2014, 10:40:42 PM
We are going to let Russia have it, and by this time in two weeks, it won't even be on the news anymore.
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Post by: zack1234 on March 17, 2014, 02:24:24 AM
Reds under the bed :rofl
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Post by: hotcoffe on March 17, 2014, 02:53:30 AM
Russia Can not have it by the agreements singed after 1700s-1800s Crimea wars between Russia and Ottoman Empire (Also known as Tursko-Russian wars, in which at final stages also Great Britain and French was involved.) Crimea has special status and if it goes to try to go independent from Ukraine , Turkey becomes automatically its Guarantor country.

Don`t forget in addition to Russians living in Crimea there is also about 3%percentage Turkish minority.

ps: Knowing that Russia already offered 2nd to Prime minister position and couple ministry position to Turkish minority living there and agreed in the government they are planing to establish and accept Turkish as Crimea second legal national language for future ...

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d1/The_defeat_of_Shipka_Peak,_Bulgarian_War_of_Independence.JPG)
Title: Re: US drone captured by Russians over Crimea?
Post by: zack1234 on March 17, 2014, 05:31:54 AM
What are facts to do with this thread?

 :rofl

Its Russias only warm water port and the EU and IMF are throwing coin at the Ukraine to antagonise the commies :)

Your all being owned by the gibberish

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Post by: FLOOB on March 17, 2014, 10:15:18 AM
What are facts to do with this thread?

 :rofl

Its Russias only warm water port and the EU and IMF are throwing coin at the Ukraine to antagonise the commies :)

Your all being owned by the gibberish


Not just the EU and IMF, US interest groups via NGOs have paid billions to "protesters" to destabalize the ukraine this year. It was the orange revolution part II.
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Post by: Hoplite on March 17, 2014, 10:17:37 AM
Give them new jersey

Have you been to New Jersey?  Who the hell would take it?!  :D
Title: Re: US drone captured by Russians over Crimea?
Post by: wpeters on March 17, 2014, 10:49:05 AM
We are going to let Russia have it, and by this time in two weeks, it won't even be on the news anymore.

We cant allow that due to the signing of the Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum_on_Security_Assurances

According to the memorandum, Russia, the U.S., and the UK confirmed, in recognition of Ukraine becoming party to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons and in effect abandoning its nuclear arsenal to Russia, that they would:
Respect Ukrainian independence and sovereignty within its existing borders.
Refrain from the threat or use of force against Ukraine.
Refrain from using economic pressure on Ukraine in order to influence its politics.
Seek United Nations Security Council action if nuclear weapons are used against Ukraine.
Refrain from the use of nuclear arms against Ukraine.
Consult with one another if questions arise regarding these commitments
Title: Re: US drone captured by Russians over Crimea?
Post by: cpxxx on March 17, 2014, 11:04:23 AM
Not just the EU and IMF, US interest groups via NGOs have paid billions to "protesters" to destabalize the ukraine this year. It was the orange revolution part II.
Yes it's nothing to do with the Ukranian people getting fed up with a corrupt regime paid billions by Putin to stay within the Soviet.............sorry Russian sphere. You should really stay away from those Russian propaganda and conspiracy theory websites. The Ukranians just want what most other Europeans have right now. To be part of west and the EU. Not revert to some old soviet style gulag regime which Putin is hell bent on restoring. Putin is an old style Communist, nothing more nothing less. You'd have thought the Russians had learned their lesson on that one. :rolleyes:

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Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on March 17, 2014, 11:04:33 AM
We cant allow that due to the signing of the Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum_on_Security_Assurances

According to the memorandum, Russia, the U.S., and the UK confirmed, in recognition of Ukraine becoming party to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons and in effect abandoning its nuclear arsenal to Russia, that they would:
Respect Ukrainian independence and sovereignty within its existing borders.
Refrain from the threat or use of force against Ukraine.
Refrain from using economic pressure on Ukraine in order to influence its politics.
Seek United Nations Security Council action if nuclear weapons are used against Ukraine.
Refrain from the use of nuclear arms against Ukraine.
Consult with one another if questions arise regarding these commitments

Treaties have a good use traditionally in Russia. They are always lacking toilet paper.
Title: Re: US drone captured by Russians over Crimea?
Post by: artik on March 17, 2014, 11:10:51 AM
Treaties have a good use traditionally in Russia. They are always lacking toilet paper.

Treaties in Russia are good for a toilet paper... known fact.

Are they the same for US and UK?.. not going to a political debate, it is something to think about for all US allies.

BTW: no US/NATO drone was actually lost or used over Crimea (many-many other reports confirm that) 
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Post by: FLOOB on March 17, 2014, 11:22:11 AM
Yes it's nothing to do with the Ukranian people getting fed up with a corrupt regime paid billions by Putin to stay within the Soviet.............sorry Russian sphere. You should really stay away from those Russian propaganda and conspiracy theory websites. The Ukranians just want what most other Europeans have right now. To be part of west and the EU. Not revert to some old soviet style gulag regime which Putin is hell bent on restoring. Putin is an old style Communist, nothing more nothing less. You'd have thought the Russians had learned their lesson on that one. :rolleyes:
Riiight western financeers had nothing to do with ousting the elected ukrainian leaders who were pro russian. Its all just russian propoganda.
Title: Re: US drone captured by Russians over Crimea?
Post by: FLOOB on March 17, 2014, 11:24:01 AM
Is it true that russia is allowed by treaty to have up to 26,000 troops in the crimea?
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Post by: FLOOB on March 17, 2014, 11:31:36 AM
Did you notice that even as they were throwing malatov cocktails and turning over buses our media was still calling them protesters? How long do you think Police departments in the US would've tolerated that kind of protesting?
Title: Re: US drone captured by Russians over Crimea?
Post by: wpeters on March 17, 2014, 11:39:34 AM
Treaties have a good use traditionally in Russia. They are always lacking toilet paper.


I will agree with you on that, but that is not my point.

The treaty states that if Ukraine gives up the worlds 3 largest stock of nuclear weapons that the United Kingdom, United States of America are obligated to protect the sovereign nation of the Ukraine from any enemy that attack from without it's borders.

In other words, if the USA doesnt stand up and tell Russia NO, and only over my dead body,   NO OTHER NATION WILL TRUST THE USA OR UK TO PROTECT THEM IF THEY HAND OVER THEIR NUCLEAR WEAPONS.
 
We all know that Russia is behind this so that makes it a enemy from without.

This happened one time before(1994) but was taken care of by the Ukraine government. ( Since the conflict was from the inside.)

In 1990, Meshkov was elected as a deputy to the Supreme Council of Crimea (the republic's parliament). There he became the co-founder of the RDK Party (Republican movement of Crimea). In 1994, he stood at the helm of the electoral bloc "Rossiya" for the republican presidential elections, where he easily defeated in the second round of elections Mykola Bahrov who ran as an independent. At that time, Mykola Bahrov was the head of the Supreme Council of Crimea. During the second round of the 1994 Crimean presidential elections, Yuriy Meshkov won with 72.9 percent of the vote, and was elected as the republic's only president.
His main political platform was to facilitate much closer relationships with the Russian Federation up to the possible annexation of Crimea by Russia.[citation needed] Meshkov tried to initiate a military-political union with Russia and completely disregarded opinions of the Ukrainian government.[citation needed] He also tried to force the rotation of the Russian currency, issue foreign passports to the Ukrainian population, and even transfer Crimea to the same time zone as Moscow. Due to the unforeseen resistance from the local opposition, Meshkov only managed to put his autonomous republic into Moscow's time zone. He also appointed the Russian economist Yevgeny Saburov as vice prime-minister; Saburov virtually became the head of the government. Other government officials[who?] disputed the appointment, arguing that Saburov could not hold the position because he did not have a Ukrainian passport. Yevgeny Saburov was forced to resign. After that he managed to paralyze the work of the Supreme Council of Crimea.

In 1995, the Ukrainian parliament scrapped the Crimean Constitution and abolished the post of president on March 17, 1995. After couple of preceding warnings in September and November 1994, on March 17, 1995 the President of Ukraine, Leonid Kuchma, signed the Law of Ukraine that scrapped the amended Crimean Constitution and some other Laws of AR Crimea, on the grounds that they contradicted the Constitution of Ukraine and endangered the sovereignty of Ukraine.

Title: Re: US drone captured by Russians over Crimea?
Post by: zack1234 on March 17, 2014, 11:46:15 AM
Yes it's nothing to do with the Ukranian people getting fed up with a corrupt regime paid billions by Putin to stay within the Soviet.............sorry Russian sphere. You should really stay away from those Russian propaganda and conspiracy theory websites. The Ukranians just want what most other Europeans have right now. To be part of west and the EU. Not revert to some old soviet style gulag regime which Putin is hell bent on restoring. Putin is an old style Communist, nothing more nothing less. You'd have thought the Russians had learned their lesson on that one. :rolleyes:



BBC radio 4 had a political analyst on who was a Yank, stating it was the EU and IMF, do you think he was a commie?

Or maybe one of those neutral countries who keep out if wars :)
Title: Re: US drone captured by Russians over Crimea?
Post by: wpeters on March 17, 2014, 11:48:05 AM
Here is the Constitution of Ukraine pertaining to Crimea
Article 134[edit]
The Autonomous Republic of Crimea is an inseparable constituent part of Ukraine and decides on the issues ascribed to its competence within the limits of authority determined by the Constitution of Ukraine.
Article 135[edit]
The Autonomous Republic of Crimea has the Constitution of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea that is adopted by the Verkhovna Rada of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea and approved by the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine by no less than one-half of the constitutional composition of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine.
Normative legal acts of the Verkhovna Rada of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea and decisions of the Council of Ministers of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea shall not contradict the Constitution and the laws of Ukraine and are adopted in accordance with the Constitution of Ukraine, the laws of Ukraine, acts of the President of Ukraine and the Cabinet of Ministers of Ukraine, and for their execution.
Article 136[edit]
The Verkhovna Rada of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea, within the limits of its authority, is the representative body of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea.
The Verkhovna Rada of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea adopts decisions and resolutions that are mandatory for execution in the Autonomous Republic of Crimea.
The Council of Ministers of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea is the government of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea. The Head of the Council of Ministers of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea is appointed to office and dismissed from office by the Verkhovna Rada of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea with the consent of the President of Ukraine.
The authority, the procedure for the formation and operation of the Verkhovna Rada of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea and of the Council of Ministers of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea, are determined by the Constitution of Ukraine and the laws of Ukraine, and by normative legal acts of the Verkhovna Rada of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea on issues ascribed to its competence.
In the Autonomous Republic of Crimea, justice is administered by courts that belong to the unified system of courts of Ukraine.
Article 137[edit]
The Autonomous Republic of Crimea exercises normative regulation on the following issues:
agriculture and forestry;
land reclamation and mining;
public works, crafts and trades; charity;
city construction and housing management;
tourism, hotel business, fairs;
museums, libraries, theatres, other cultural establishments, historical and cultural preserves;
public transportation, roadways, water supply;
hunting and fishing;
sanitary and hospital services.
For reasons of nonconformity of normative legal acts of the Verkhovna Rada of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea with the Constitution of Ukraine and the laws of Ukraine, the President of Ukraine may suspend these normative legal acts of the Verkhovna Rada of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea with a simultaneous appeal to the Constitutional Court of Ukraine in regard to their constitutionality.
Article 138[edit]
The competence of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea comprises:
designating elections of deputies to the Verkhovna Rada of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea, approving the composition of the electoral commission of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea;
organizing and conducting local referendums;
managing property that belongs to the Autonomous Republic of Crimea;
elaborating, approving and implementing the budget of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea on the basis of the uniform tax and budget policy of Ukraine;
elaborating, approving and realizing programs of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea for socio-economic and cultural development, the rational utilization of nature, and environmental protection in accordance with national programs;
recognizing the status of localities as resorts; establishing zones for the sanitary protection of resorts;
participating in ensuring the rights and freedoms of citizens, national harmony, the promotion of the protection of legal order and public security;
ensuring the operation and development of the state language and national languages and cultures in the Autonomous Republic of Crimea; protection and use of historical monuments;
participating in the development and realization of state programs for the return of deported peoples;
initiating the introduction of a state of emergency and the establishment of zones of an ecological emergency situation in the Autonomous Republic of Crimea or in its particular areas.
Other powers may also be delegated to the Autonomous Republic of Crimea by the laws of Ukraine.
Article 139[edit]
The Representative Office of the President of Ukraine, whose status is determined by the law of Ukraine, operates in the Autonomous Republic of Crimea.
Title: Re: US drone captured by Russians over Crimea?
Post by: zack1234 on March 17, 2014, 11:50:45 AM
The present government in the Ukraine is elected?

Title: Re: US drone captured by Russians over Crimea?
Post by: FLOOB on March 17, 2014, 12:06:30 PM
BBC radio 4 had a political analyst on who was a Yank, stating it was the EU and IMF, do you think he was a commie?

Or maybe one of those neutral countries who keep out if wars :)
Do you have a link?
Title: Re: US drone captured by Russians over Crimea?
Post by: zack1234 on March 17, 2014, 01:28:55 PM
Why are you a commie :rofl

Its ridiculous the sabre rattling and hand wringing :rofl

Has north korea invaded yet :old:

if your country was a neutral in the war you no point of view on current world events :old:
Title: Re: US drone captured by Russians over Crimea?
Post by: artik on March 17, 2014, 03:42:18 PM
Ohhhh

this thread is so going to be locked...


The present government in the Ukraine is elected?

The present government is build of parties that were elected in the current parliament. i.e. it has the support of parliamentary majority as any other civil government. The president was replaced... because he run away.


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Riiight western financeers had nothing to do with ousting the elected Ukrainian leaders who were pro Russian. Its all just russian propoganda.

West does not care about Ukraine... that is probably the biggest Ukrainian problem right now.

So yes... it is mostly right propaganda.

BTW the funniest thing today (if you call it is funny) is to read one of the Kremlin connected news channels rt.com... It is like the opposite of a common sense and basic understanding tells you. Like the "man in green" in Crimea are not Russian army at all and the are local "self defence" groups.

What is even more funny that they still lie without any basic shame when in the period of facebook, internet and all other globalisation goodies you can catch them in 5 seconds...

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Is it true that russia is allowed by treaty to have up to 26,000 troops in the crimea?

They allowed to have troops inside the Russian military bases (Russia pay Ukraine to park the fleet there as they don't have better bases in the black sea). But they aren't allowed to leave the base, especially armed with armored vehicles and blockade the entire Crimea...
Title: Re: US drone captured by Russians over Crimea?
Post by: zack1234 on March 17, 2014, 04:07:00 PM
Ohhhh

this thread is so going to be locked...


The present government is build of parties that were elected in the current parliament. i.e. it has the support of parliamentary majority as any other civil government. The president was replaced... because he run away.


West does not care about Ukraine... that is probably the biggest Ukrainian problem right now.

So yes... it is mostly right propaganda.

BTW the funniest thing today (if you call it is funny) is to read one of the Kremlin connected news channels rt.com... It is like the opposite of a common sense and basic understanding tells you. Like the "man in green" in Crimea are not Russian army at all and the are local "self defence" groups.

What is even more funny that they still lie without any basic shame when in the period of facebook, internet and all other globalisation goodies you can catch them in 5 seconds...

They allowed to have troops inside the Russian military bases (Russia pay Ukraine to park the fleet there as they don't have better bases in the black sea). But they aren't allowed to leave the base, especially armed with armored vehicles and blockade the entire Crimea...


WAS IT ELECTED!!!!!!!!!!!?

don't ignore the facts they were not elected

Typical gibberish
Title: Re: US drone captured by Russians over Crimea?
Post by: FLOOB on March 18, 2014, 01:47:12 AM
Did you hear the tape of the phone conversation with the US european secretary of state discussing who they were planning on putting in charge of Ukraine?
Title: Re: US drone captured by Russians over Crimea?
Post by: zack1234 on March 18, 2014, 02:58:59 AM
Floob stop antagonising people :old:

North korea has invaded New Jersey again but have left this morning due to pipz's new sneekers incident :old:
Title: Re: US drone captured by Russians over Crimea?
Post by: LCADolby on March 18, 2014, 05:54:16 AM
Did you pee in Pipz's sneekers again zack... What have I told you about that  :uhoh
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Post by: GScholz on March 18, 2014, 07:36:49 AM
WAS IT ELECTED!!!!!!!!!!!?

don't ignore the facts they were not elected

Typical gibberish

Yes it was elected. The members were elected to parliament, and when the president has fled the country due to the civilian uprising, a transitional "cabinet of ministers" government by elected ministers of parliament is a completely acceptable solution. According to their constitution the cabinet of ministers is the highest institution of the executive branch. The president may not dismiss the cabinet nor any of the ministers by himself as they are elected officials. I would only worry if this new government doesn't call for new elections once things calm down.
Title: Re: US drone captured by Russians over Crimea?
Post by: zack1234 on March 18, 2014, 07:45:32 AM
It was not a civilian uprising, the losers in this are Ukranians, who think they will LCD tvs and BMWs when its all over :rofl

Its Russia's only warm water port what do you exspect :rofl


The president who fled is not president?

Democracy in Eastern europe  :rofl
Title: Re: US drone captured by Russians over Crimea?
Post by: GScholz on March 18, 2014, 07:54:46 AM
A president who has been impeached and fled the country is no longer able to govern, and thus an interim government is needed. Democracy in Eastern Europe has had a shaky start, but that's to be expected.

Western republics can also impeach their presidents and other elected officials. Richard Nixon resigned before he could be impeached.
Title: Re: US drone captured by Russians over Crimea?
Post by: GScholz on March 18, 2014, 07:59:19 AM
From The Star:

"The political landscape in Ukraine has flipped again, less than one day after a compromise was signed to end a week of bloody violence in the capital of Kyiv.

Within 24 hours of a compromise signed between Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych and opposition leaders, Yanukovych had fled Kyiv. Then he was impeached. Pro-democratic demonstrators were providing security to abandoned government buildings while Ukrainians toured his opulent home complete, with a zoo and vintage car collection.

New elections were announced for May 25. The president’s chief political rival was freed from prison, and the head of the Ukrainian army has vowed not to get involved."


To me this sounds like a legitimate change in government. Presidents are not kings...
Title: Re: US drone captured by Russians over Crimea?
Post by: USRanger on March 18, 2014, 07:42:13 PM
Ukrainian soldiers are now allowed to defend themselves with deadly force as of today.  About dang time.  Time to start pealing back some Russian lids.  Oh, that's right, those guys in green and masks are NOT Russian soldiers.
Title: Re: US drone captured by Russians over Crimea?
Post by: GScholz on March 18, 2014, 08:16:08 PM
I think I've played this game... Was this pretty much the plot of Jane's US Navy Fighters?
Title: Re: US drone captured by Russians over Crimea?
Post by: zack1234 on March 19, 2014, 01:03:22 AM
North Korea has invaded Denmark :old:

But left because it is not Sunday :old:

When it has all blown over in 2 months can I laugh at you all? :)
Title: Re: US drone captured by Russians over Crimea?
Post by: FLOOB on March 19, 2014, 05:13:42 AM
North Korea has invaded Denmark :old:

But left because it is not Sunday :old:

When it has all blown over in 2 months can I laugh at you all? :)
Your mum goes chippy in her slippers.
Title: Re: US drone captured by Russians over Crimea?
Post by: zack1234 on March 23, 2014, 04:25:44 AM
Is that funny its all gone quiet :)

So I have stocked up on dry goods and beans :old:

when are Russians invading?

Good article in the "Independent" online describing the hypocrisy of it all :rofl

I was going to wait 2 months for it to blow over, 2 weeks is my reappraisal :rofl

You minutemen will have to put your guns back :rofl

another article stating Venice has had a unofficial referendum for independence from Italy, are we going jump about over that
Title: Re: US drone captured by Russians over Crimea?
Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on March 23, 2014, 05:41:57 AM
Is that funny its all gone quiet :)

So I have stocked up on dry goods and beans :old:

when are Russians invading?

Good article in the "Independent" online describing the hypocrisy of it all :rofl

I was going to wait 2 months for it to blow over, 2 weeks is my reappraisal :rofl

You minutemen will have to put your guns back :rofl

another article stating Venice has had a unofficial referendum for independence from Italy, are we going jump about over that

It's not gone quiet the Russians are taking over the whole Crimea as we speak. They prepare to continue with other parts of ex Soviet union. The problem is that western civilization has lulled themselves into the realization that war is for idiots and nobody ever wins from one. Russians have never been in their right minds IMO so they're ready to sacrifice a generation for the madness of one leader once again.

Western countries have a similar dilemma with religious extremists also. They don't play by the same rules so we either bend and capitulate inevitably or we have to change our own rule set. Sometimes you have to stoop down to the level of idiots to fight fire with fire.
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Post by: zack1234 on March 23, 2014, 08:49:54 AM
For god sake MrR stop it  :rofl

 :rofl for good measure
Title: Re: US drone captured by Russians over Crimea?
Post by: FLOOB on March 23, 2014, 01:57:23 PM
Im sorry I said that about your mum.
Title: Re: US drone captured by Russians over Crimea?
Post by: Perrine on March 23, 2014, 03:10:26 PM
Speaking of the situation in Crimea...

Did anyone last week see the newly appointed Attorney General of the Republic of Crimea?

You should have seen her last week.  She's so cute :angel:
almost a living "anime" character in position of power :salute

(http://s12.postimg.org/xhfwftqml/natalia_tan_1.jpg)
Title: Presenting Attourney General of the Republic of Crimea Natalia Poklonskaya
Post by: Perrine on March 23, 2014, 03:29:57 PM
:salute :salute :saluteMeet Natalia Poklonskaya:salute :salute :salute

(http://beautifulrus.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Natalia-Poklonskaya-8.jpg)

Natalia Poklonskaya's National coverage speech.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTOqplOTKjU
Natalia Poklonskaya was in Kiev, when Maidan events occured, but after the armed takeover in Ukrainian capital she moved to her home city and took the role of Crimean attorney.

Natalia Poklonskaya tells about Kiev's indictments against herself
https://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_1740075647&feature=iv&src_vid=fTOqplOTKjU&v=Dxj1Maql0Ew
"Kiev's court started a criminal case against me and the head of emergency ministry. Tee-hee," - wrote Natalia Poklonskaya in twitter. In fact she found it out from media, no official documents were sent to her.

Natalia Poklonskaya briefing about assasinations in Simferopol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_351393411&feature=iv&src_vid=fTOqplOTKjU&v=J6t5H9URgKU
Natalia Poklonskaya and her subordinates are hunting an assassin, who may cause significant escalation of Crimean conflict.
Title: Re: US drone captured by Russians over Crimea?
Post by: Perrine on March 23, 2014, 04:06:37 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/JU16BeF.jpg)

A short report on Natalia and her job (NTV)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_2427460169&feature=iv&src_vid=fTOqplOTKjU&v=KJRQ0GGk86k
Right before this episode presenter was reading leaked correspondence of a radical ukrainian politician.

Short interview
https://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_3874908385&feature=iv&src_vid=fTOqplOTKjU&v=4uB0zo9j1fE

almost a real life moe moe kawaii 2d character indeed :angel: :salute
https://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_2085884011&feature=iv&src_vid=fTOqplOTKjU&v=XX4JCQViRKg
Title: Re: US drone captured by Russians over Crimea?
Post by: zack1234 on March 23, 2014, 04:31:43 PM
Im sorry I said that about your mum.
:rofl
Title: Re: US drone captured by Russians over Crimea?
Post by: artik on March 23, 2014, 04:52:40 PM
This image is more interesting

(http://www.belbek62.com.ua/upload/resize_cache/iblock/a41/980_300_140cd750bba9870f18aada2478b24840a/a41cb12fcc3218b205b9a2c8c70c0e00.jpg)

He is Col. Yuliy Mamchur (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuliy_Mamchur) Ukrainian Air Force pilot and a commander of Belbek air force base, he was responsible for Putin's security during its 2013 visit to Crimea, than Russian soldier aimed guns on him, and now he is missing (kidnapped by the Russian soldiers)

He is much cooler guy than this Amime image...
Title: Re: US drone captured by Russians over Crimea?
Post by: FLOOB on March 23, 2014, 05:10:39 PM
All Anime enthusiast older than 15 should be on some kind of watch list.
Title: /int/ poster tells us some of Natalia's background
Post by: Perrine on March 23, 2014, 05:13:17 PM
meh


Poklovskaya's more interesting.

Her accomplishments (for someone born in the 80s) is almost comic book legend.
Just look at her global peers.  For example:

The US Attorney General (Frank Holder) is 63.
Canada's Minister of Justice (same position) Peter McKay is 50.
Russias (Yury Chaika) is 62).

She is literally half their ages.

Also those were the first and only 3 I googled. My guess is if you continue to look the age pattern continues (also note, they are all men).


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More on Poklovskaya's background (http://www.reddit.com/r/nataliapoklonskaya/comments/20xmlm/an_int_poster_tells_us_some_of_natalias_background/)


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Some facts about crimean attorney Natalia Poklonskaya you may probably not know.

Natalia is 33 years old crimean attorney. She is divorced and has a daughter. She seems a real good girl: she plays piano and draws, probably she attended music and art school in her childhood.

Natalia worked as attorney for 12 years, according to her own words, and just sometime ago her workplace was in Kiev, in main attorney office of Ukraine. I don't know much about attorney's job in western countries, but in ex-USSR countries attorney's work is very significant: they take part in investigations, act as accusers in courts, collect petitions from citizens and check if police and courts maintain the laws. People often think they are more trustworthy than police and judges.

Her career seems very successful and productive for me. She tells about numerous criminals and gangs she sent to jail. Her most well known enemy was "bashmaki" gang, one of the biggest and strongest gangs in Ukraine, famous for their criminal wars, for using RPG (and missing, destroying some unrelated building by mistake), jailbreaks, murders of police, former "alpha" (russian analogue of SWAT) members and hundreds of another crimes. Her current rank is called "adviser of justice".

During the events in Kiev, she was working in main attorney office in Kiev. She is the witness of Maidan and her harsh words about new ukrainian goverment should be considered along with any other evidencies, because she saw everything with her own eyes.

After the putsch in Kiev, she left attorney office and returned to Crimea. Crimean council of ministers offered her to take over a post of crimean attorney and she accepted it. It happened several days before referendum.

After her new appointment she recieved a letter from Kiev with a notification, that she's no longer attorney and adviser of justice, Kiev started investigation of her actions and even tried to ruin her reputation, but could only found some fotos you can now see everywhere. They are pretty usual photos every beautiful woman should have, but officials in Kiev called it "ribald" and acted histerically. Probably they just couldn't find anything dirty about her at all.

Just after referendum another provocation happened. Ukrainian soldier and crimean man were killed by some unknown person. According to Natalia's words it's very similar to killer, who shot people on Maidan and acted as a calamity trigger to Kiev. Now she's hunting him and preventing bloodshed and chaos in Simferopol. Maybe she's even saving our lives right now.

tl;dr: Natalia solves murders, she catches killers and she has no dirt on her. She's a total badass :eek: :rock
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Post by: zack1234 on March 23, 2014, 05:23:24 PM
Whats the sword in snake thing?

Bit like those narzzie propaganda posters :rofl
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Post by: Perrine on March 23, 2014, 05:38:14 PM
Meanwhile in Crimea's AG office.....

(http://i.imgur.com/f3iJjNd.jpg)
Title: Re: US drone captured by Russians over Crimea?
Post by: Perrine on March 23, 2014, 06:36:07 PM
Whats the sword in snake thing?

Bit like those narzzie propaganda posters :rofl

I found the full context
http://postimg.org/image/iwxpvxz9f/
I'm guessing the txt must be from her videos posted above

One thing's for sure, since she appeared on TV the hearts of men around the world melted with her cute&modest demeanor combined with deadly serious professionalism (at least in her field of work) ... and somewhere outside mainstream internets japan and russian based chan boards started creating manga-esque fan arts.
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Post by: FLOOB on March 23, 2014, 06:37:30 PM
The crimeans are taking a lesson from the ukranians. Put a pretty little lady's face on the leadership so adversaries look like big bad meanies on the world stage.
Title: Re: US drone captured by Russians over Crimea?
Post by: Perrine on March 23, 2014, 07:49:02 PM
The crimeans are taking a lesson from the ukranians. Put a pretty little lady's face on the leadership so adversaries look like big bad meanies on the world stage.

Not sure if that's  trully their intention but it sure makes geopolitics in that part of the world look... less dry and more manga-esque popularity contest for us outsiders :rofl
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Post by: LCADolby on March 23, 2014, 08:03:31 PM
 :confused:
All Anime enthusiast older than 15 should be on some kind of watch list.

I have a collection spanning back to Ghost in the Shell and Robotech, please don't put me on the list with Tag Heuer and Rolex  :uhoh
Title: Re: US drone captured by Russians over Crimea?
Post by: Perrine on March 23, 2014, 08:16:46 PM
:confused:
I have a collection spanning back to Ghost in the Shell and Robotech, please don't put me on the list with Tag Heuer and Rolex  :uhoh

He must be talking about weaboos (which i'm not btw :D)
Word in the internets is they're the worst kind of anime "enthusiasts"
Title: Re: US drone captured by Russians over Crimea?
Post by: LCADolby on March 23, 2014, 09:02:36 PM
(http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lmi2ncJh1t1qjgqsko1_500.jpg)

I seriously had to look that word up... and found this...


Otaku I'm sure was what weeboos is now, but about 10 years ago.
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Post by: zack1234 on March 24, 2014, 03:09:09 AM
That chick has a face of a serial killer, which is normal the further East you go :old:
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Post by: Perrine on March 28, 2014, 02:26:06 AM
Man I can't help it but conclude that Ukraine as a country is pitiful.  Of all the SSR states that became independent, Ukraine of today is no different than Ukraine in 1994 economically. At one point Ukraine was one of the most productive  SSR states... and I think they were like the "Texas" or "California" of USSR in importance.  On paper I think it's Ukraine who should've emerged from USSR better than Russia in the 90's-00's.  Also I'm wondering if Ukrainian military is in worse shape than Georgia... at least Georgians had balls to confront Russia back in '08.
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Post by: zack1234 on March 28, 2014, 11:54:17 AM
I am from the Ukraine
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Post by: zack1234 on April 09, 2014, 12:10:46 AM
Russia has not invaded the rest of Crimea :old:

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Post by: Hoplite on April 09, 2014, 08:21:32 AM
Russia has not invaded the rest of Crimea :old:



Yet.  :old:
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Post by: zack1234 on April 09, 2014, 09:21:36 AM
$50 they dont :)
Title: Re: US drone captured by Russians over Crimea?
Post by: Hoplite on April 09, 2014, 10:06:09 AM
$50 they dont :)

Possibly.  They really don't need to.  Effectively they have control so why bother? Putin is pondscum...but he's not stupid.
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Post by: zack1234 on April 09, 2014, 11:37:02 AM
$100 then ?
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Post by: LCADolby on April 09, 2014, 12:58:36 PM
zack... stop betting with monopoly money you cad  :old:
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Post by: Hoplite on April 09, 2014, 02:33:06 PM
I figured you would bet a pie!